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Good lord is that a football team or what?
They absolutely handled Florida last night.
Are they on a collision course with Ohio State? Another epic SEC v. Big Ten matchup?
I'm hoping neither team stumbles because that could be a hell of a game.
Alabama has won NINE STRAIGHT SEC road games. That is an impressive stat.
oneupper
10-03-2010, 11:13 AM
Can't stand Saban or the "Tide".
Darn Razorbacks. Could have held on.
Now that we're at it. Darn Volunteers! 13 on the field? Geesh. (Don't like Miles or LSU, either).
OnBaseMachine
10-03-2010, 12:18 PM
Oregon has been very impressive.
westofyou
10-03-2010, 12:20 PM
Oregon has been very impressive.
Meh, great teams don't give up 21 points in the 1st quarter.
redsfan_12
10-03-2010, 12:21 PM
I think it will be Oregon and Bama.
I think those two plus tOSU could all be underwater. Someone will get their feelings hurt...
Reds4Life
10-03-2010, 03:26 PM
Alabama is pretty dang good. They have a habit of not doing much after they jump out to a lead though. They let off the gas in the second half against Florida, if they would have kept going full throttle it would have been even more of a massacre than it was.
You can say what you want about Saban, but they guy knows how to build winners, and his defenses are usually among the best, if not the best, you are going to find in the college game.
RiverRat13
10-03-2010, 04:05 PM
You can say what you want about Saban, but they guy knows how to build winners, .
www.oversigning.com
Lot easier to build winners when you bring in 140 scholarship players over a five year period.
KronoRed
10-03-2010, 04:40 PM
That aren't that good, as a Florida fan I get to say that ;)
Oregon's habit of letting teams get a lead before waking up will bite them in the rear at some point.
KronoRed
10-03-2010, 04:41 PM
Now that we're at it. Darn Volunteers! 13 on the field? Geesh. (Don't like Miles or LSU, either).
What a way to lose, I loath the ugly orange but I felt sorry for Dooley.
macro
10-03-2010, 04:46 PM
Can't stand Saban or the "Tide".
Nor can I, but my dislike for Urban Legend is greater. Nice to see his team get the beatdown.
Oxilon
10-03-2010, 04:53 PM
I'm still thinking the winner of the Big 12 (Oklahoma or Nebraska) has a shot of taking down Alabama -- or atleast has the best shot. But more than anything, I'm really hoping Ohio State loses. I don't think I could take another crappy OSU National Championship beating.
jimbo
10-03-2010, 04:59 PM
www.oversigning.com
Lot easier to build winners when you bring in 140 scholarship players over a five year period.
Pretty interesting read. After reading the entry about how Tressel runs his program, as far as scholarships goes, makes me appreciate him even more.
Cedric
10-03-2010, 05:38 PM
Until the SEC changes their standards they need to be setup in their own league.
When you can sign 30 guys a year and discard the bad players you have a HUGE advantage. Ohio State and most other schools can't just miss on a player and get rid of him. The margin of error for the southern pro schools is just laughable.
That's not even mentioning the laughable academic standards at most of those schools.
Brutus
10-03-2010, 05:44 PM
I think Alabama is a real good football team. However, it's not because of beating Florida or because of the inbreeding that will happen at the expense of slightly overrated SEC teams this year.
That Florida team looked awful the first few weeks of the season. And I'm not convinced they won't lose several more games after this.
But I do think Alabama is a good team, the most complete team in the country right now. They're good defensively, don't make mistakes offensively and control the game. While their secondary is still going to be tested with any team that can pass worth a darn, they're very tough up front (on both sides of the ball).
Prf15
10-03-2010, 05:53 PM
Meh, great teams don't give up 21 points in the 1st quarter.
Did you watch any of the game after the 1st quarter? They showed they are a helluva team.
*BaseClogger*
10-03-2010, 07:31 PM
Oregon is a great offensive team, but--as last year's Rose Bowl showed--a strong defense can stymie them. And their defense is bad enough to cost them a game before the season is over.
Alabama has some weaknesses but they are easily the best team in the country. I think there are several teams that could beat them given the right circumstances, but they are the clear favorite against anybody in that BCS Championship Game.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Ohio State stumble somewhere before the end of the year, but if they go unbeaten they will be deserving of their spot in the title game. The way people interpret the results of the possible matchup between Ohio State and Alabama will be unfortunate, because it has nothing to do with this being Ohio State team being weak and overrated; Alabama is just that much better...
westofyou
10-03-2010, 09:58 PM
Did you watch any of the game after the 1st quarter? They showed they are a helluva team.
Watched the end, I hear every day that they're a helluva team, every single day.
Boston Red
10-04-2010, 01:52 AM
if they go unbeaten they will be deserving of their spot in the title game.
I agree. I just think they'd be a little bit less deserving than an undefeated Oregon.
bucksfan2
10-04-2010, 08:36 AM
Don't make snap judgments based upon one game performance. While Oregon may have looked like world beaters OSU beat Miami up and down the field a couple of weeks ago. One poor performance (against Illinois) doesn't all of a sudden make OSU a poor team. Just the same with Boise St. That win against Virginia Tech was a statement until Virginia Tech lost to Dolly Madison.
As for Alabama they are a good football team. They are a solid all around team with no apparent glaring weakness. I don't really want to nominate them team of the decade after they beat a pretty lackluster Florida team. As much as the SEC gets pimped throughout college football they appear to have one dominant team and then a couple of good teams. Right now I think the championship game should/will come from one of these teams.
Alabama
OSU
Oregon
Oklahoma
Nebraska
I don't buy Boise St. nor do I think they are deserving of playing in the national championship game. If Stanford goes out and beats Oregon State is it a program defining win? Or is it just another Saturday in the Pac 10?
cumberlandreds
10-04-2010, 08:59 AM
Alabama is as good as it gets in college football. It's going to be hard for anyone to beat them. They play at South Carolina this week and play Auburn at the end of the season. That's about the only teams that can keep it close and have a shot at beating them.
Ohio State and Alabama should be on a collision course for the BCS Championship game. Ohio State may be the only team left that could give them a good game. Maybe Nebraska or Oklahoma is that mix too. Oregon's defense isn't that good and that will get them beat somewhere along the way. Both Tennessee and Stanford jumped on them in them in the 1st half but neither of those teams have a very good defense. I think Alabama or Ohio State could figure out something to stop them. I think someone in the Pac-10 will before the season is over.
Boston Red
10-04-2010, 10:46 AM
If Stanford goes out and beats Oregon State is it a program defining win? Or is it just another Saturday in the Pac 10?
I don't think there was anything program-defining about Boise's win over Oregon State. Hell, Boise was a 17.5 point favorite.
I think OSU gets beat in Iowa this year.
The Pac10 is as deep as it's been....well, probably ever. Oregon will have their work cut out trying to get through that gauntlet.
But yeah, whoever makes it....Alabama looks to be the clear cut favorite. They have the talent, swagger and poise that only come along once every 10 years or so.
Hoosier Red
10-06-2010, 03:13 PM
Pretty interesting read. After reading the entry about how Tressel runs his program, as far as scholarships goes, makes me appreciate him even more.
That is an interesting read. I think while it can be used to excess and abuse, oversigning is not necessarily a bad thing. I think its a good plan generally to recruit the best talent available so long as you're honest about what happens if not enough players leave.
I also think it makes sense to be honest to a guy who is a sophomore and is the 4th string running back, and there are going to be two or three freshman who come in and will likely move ahead of him. If you're honest about what the expectations should be if he stays than there's no problem "encouraging" a player to transfer somewhere where he can get more playing time.
One thing different about say Alabama than Georgia Tech(who the website brings up) a player may choose to stay at GTech because of its excellent academic reputation, whereas if they transfer from Alabama it may not be as detrimental. For this reason, I'm guessing Vanderbilt and Northwestern have a hard time encouraging people to transfer for more playing time. "Um yeah thanks coach, I think I'll stay and get my $40,000 worth of education for the next two years."
Reds Fanatic
10-09-2010, 06:30 PM
South Carolina is beating Alabama 35-21 with 7 minutes left
South Carolina is beating Alabama 35-21 with 7 minutes left
I haven't had the chance to watch today, has USCjr just been going nuts or has Bama played that poorly?
Reds Fanatic
10-09-2010, 06:38 PM
I haven't had the chance to watch today, has USCjr just been going nuts or has Bama played that poorly?
I have not been able to see all of it myself but South Carolina has played really well. Alabama is being outrushed which almost never happens.
Reds Fanatic
10-09-2010, 06:40 PM
To back up what I said about the rushing South Carolina has really shut down the 2 main backs from Alabama. Ingram has been held to 41 yards rushing and Richardson 23 yards rushing.
Reds Fanatic
10-09-2010, 06:53 PM
That is it. South Carolina beat Alabama 35-21. Ohio State will be the new number 1 team.
That is it. South Carolina beat Alabama 35-21. Ohio State will be the new number 1 team.
Deservedly so, IMO.
Cedric
10-09-2010, 09:09 PM
Deservedly so, IMO.
Would agree completely. Illinois looks pretty decent and that was the main complaint about TOSU. For some reason people forgive Oregon when ASU had 7 turnovers, had 600 total yards and choked it to Oregon.
Ohio State is the most balanced team in the country right now. I didn't think that at any point in 07.
Ohio State is the most balanced team in the country right now. I didn't think that at any point in 07.
The 2007 Ohio State team was one of the weaker in the last 8 years, IMO. They had no business in the title game as they were a fringe top 10 team from my perspective.
I still think OSU loses at least once this year. As hard as this may be to believe, for the first time in years the Big Ten actually has several good teams capable of winning against OSU. Wisconsin is always much better than people give them credit for and playing in their stadium is one of the tougher places to play in the country. I'm still far from sold on Pryor as a complete QB, and I still think Tressel as offensive coach will wind up costing them a game.
I really hope Boise gets a chance to play for the national championship this year. I'm not one who believes they could consistently play with the big boys, but nothing they've done on the actual field has led anyone to believe they're in over their head. It's all just assumption, even I agree with that assumption.
BUT, they need to be given a cance once and for all. That way we're not having that conversation year after year. At some point, they need to raise their arms and say, "OK, we'll give you your shot." Is it really such a travesty that a team like Boise gets a chance to win a national title at the expense of one of the bi conference teams that get the chance every year? I think one year, we can allow a team like that to play for it all. And if they get beat soundly, we don't have to talk about it any more.
Sea Ray
10-10-2010, 12:36 PM
I haven't had the chance to watch today, has USCjr just been going nuts or has Bama played that poorly?
South Carolina played a very good game. Their QB had a career day. I doubt there will be an SEC team in the National Championship game this year. Should make the Big Ten folks happy...
If Oregon makes it through the PAC this year undefeated, they will be in the running. I don't think they will.
Until the SEC changes their standards they need to be setup in their own league.
When you can sign 30 guys a year and discard the bad players you have a HUGE advantage. Ohio State and most other schools can't just miss on a player and get rid of him. The margin of error for the southern pro schools is just laughable.
That's not even mentioning the laughable academic standards at most of those schools.
Many SEC schools are leaders in science and engineering research.... speaking for Auburn, academic performance is no laughing matter.
South Carolina played a very good game. Their QB had a career day. I doubt there will be an SEC team in the National Championship game this year. Should make the Big Ten folks happy...
Teams in the SEC west are basically going to beat the snot out of one another...
Teams in the SEC west are basically going to beat the snot out of one another...
Seriously, we've been down this path a thousand times on here. I think most people would prefer not to do it again.
Seriously, we've been down this path a thousand times on here. I think most people would prefer not to do it again.
?????
My comment was suggesting that there isn't likely to be an unbeaten team from the SEC west.
While 'Bama is IMHO clearly one of the best teams in college, Arkansas/Alabama/LSU/Auburn/Georgia are all capable of beating each other especially at home.
It's a tough road this year. Is that really a controversial statement?
Boston Red
10-10-2010, 01:51 PM
If Oregon makes it through the PAC this year undefeated, they will be in the running. I don't think they will.
No, they'll be in if they win out. Nebraska is next in line. Boise at least needs 2 of Ohio State, Oregon and Nebraska to lose. Probably LSU and Auburn, too, but the good news for them is that Alabama will likely do the dirty work for them there. TCU needs all of that plus a Boise loss at Nevada (no one else has a prayer).
Boston Red
10-10-2010, 01:52 PM
Is that really a controversial statement?
Only the part where you included Georgia in the group of good teams.
Only the part where you included Georgia in the group of good teams.
I didn't say they were necessarily a good team. I said playing them in Georgia isn't an automatic.
*BaseClogger*
10-10-2010, 02:31 PM
Many SEC schools are leaders in science and engineering research.... speaking for Auburn, academic performance is no laughing matter.
All I know is while I think most collegiate academics lists are laughable, they still have some value because some people DO read them and believe them to be gospel. And just about every list I have seen has had every Big Ten School in the top 100 with a majority in the top 50, while the SEC usually struggles outside of Vanderbilt until you get into the 70s and 80s...
All I know is while I think most collegiate academics lists are laughable, they still have some value because some people DO read them and believe them to be gospel. And just about every list I have seen has had every Big Ten School in the top 100 with a majority in the top 50, while the SEC usually struggles outside of Vanderbilt until you get into the 70s and 80s...
Given you don't even trust the lists you're citing, I'd suggest that you do some traveling and check out some programs before forming an opinion.
It's a tough road this year. Is that really a controversial statement?
I may have misread your statement. It seems like every college football discussion winds up turning into a pissing match over the SEC and Big Ten and I think everyone is weary from it.
RiverRat13
10-10-2010, 03:34 PM
Many SEC schools are leaders in science and engineering research.... speaking for Auburn, academic performance is no laughing matter.
His statement was about admission standards, which is a whole lot more relevant as to who can get into a school to play football rather than the strength of a school's engineering research. You don't have to travel to find out what it takes to get into a given SEC school versus a Big 10 school.
His statement was about admission standards
Is there a big ten school whose football program suffers because of its admission standards outside of perhaps Northwestern?
RiverRat13
10-10-2010, 04:07 PM
Is there a big ten school whose football program suffers because of its admission standards outside of perhaps Northwestern?
Absolutely. After the Cooper fiasco, OSU tightened up its admission standards for football players. They've backed off multiple guys because while they may have qualified, the admissions department would not allowed them in. I'm sure the admission standards are still more lenient compared to the OSU student population as a whole, but they do decline kids who the NCAA has cleared. For a while, a lot of those kids ended up at Michigan State, which is the lowest rated academic school in the Big 10. Others ended up at UC.
Michigan lost one of it's prized recruits this year because he was not admitted.
RiverRat13
10-10-2010, 04:34 PM
Michigan lost one of it's prized recruits this year because he was not admitted.
And that's one of the reasons oversigning is such a huge advantage. If a kid doesn't qualify or isn't admitted for a Big 10 school, then that program basically loses that scholarship for the year. Guys like Saban and Miles can recruit six or seven guys who are borderline to qualify for three open scholarships knowing that three of those guys will get in and they can basically let the others go by the wayside.
*BaseClogger*
10-10-2010, 05:09 PM
Is there a big ten school whose football program suffers because of its admission standards outside of perhaps Northwestern?
Funny you should mention Northwestern: Tyrell Sutton was dead set on attending Ohio State but could not get admitted by the school. So he ended up at... Northwestern? :confused:
Brutus
10-10-2010, 05:36 PM
Funny you should mention Northwestern: Tyrell Sutton was dead set on attending Ohio State but could not get admitted by the school. So he ended up at... Northwestern? :confused:
I always felt that the 'admissions' issue with Sutton was Ohio State's code for "we thought he was too small."
I know it was generally accepted as being an admissions issue, but I never bought into that.
LoganBuck
10-10-2010, 10:27 PM
I always felt that the 'admissions' issue with Sutton was Ohio State's code for "we thought he was too small."
I know it was generally accepted as being an admissions issue, but I never bought into that.
I think you are getting the story mixed with Javon Ringer and Ray Williams. Ringer was the one with the academic issues, Sutton was just a size issue, they were also boxed in on schollies that year, and couldn't take any more smaller running backs. They offered Ringer a grey shirt. Ray Williams was the kid with the SERIOUS legal issues.
Brutus
10-10-2010, 10:31 PM
I think you are getting the story mixed with Javon Ringer and Ray Williams. Ringer was the one with the academic issues, Sutton was just a size issue, they were also boxed in on schollies that year, and couldn't take any more smaller running backs. They offered Ringer a grey shirt. Ray Williams was the kid with the SERIOUS legal issues.
You're right, I was thinking of Ringer, though Sutton was brought up in this thread, and I was responding to that.
Sea Ray
10-10-2010, 11:18 PM
I didn't say they were necessarily a good team. I said playing them in Georgia isn't an automatic.
Why include Georgia in your statement anyway seeing as Georgia isn't even in the SEC West
Why include Georgia in your statement anyway seeing as Georgia isn't even in the SEC West
Because Georgia is evil and as you must certainly know, they loom on Auburn's schedule, is one of their big rivals, and is never a certainty.
Sea Ray
10-11-2010, 09:10 AM
Seriously, we've been down this path a thousand times on here. I think most people would prefer not to do it again.
A thread about Alabama Crimson Tide has to include a discussion of the SEC West. What's wrong with that??? :confused:
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