Bengals-Browns game thread

[Hoosier Red]

Didn't see this on here. Browns jump up 3-0, from the stats it appears as though Carson is much more accurate today(6 of 7) so far though he did fumble at midfield to set up the FG drive for the Brownies.

[WMR]

one word: sorry

[WMR]

carson still airmailing his throws... I wonder if there are any wheels in motion with the geniuses in charge as far as improving our back-up situation...

Bengals MUST draft a QB early next draft.

[WMR]

I still hate that they let Steinbach go.

[WMR]

uh oh

[WMR]

Chris Crocker just got abused. What the hell was he thinking??? Just let him go.

Chris Crocker passed him off to the safety... oh wait

[CTA513]

Got to love how a player calls for more carries and then gives up a fumble because hes more worried about getting hit then securing the ball.

[WMR]

HOLY CRAP

Where is THAT Carson Palmer???

[WMR]

PASS INTERFERENCE!!!!!!

pure bs

[WMR]

Is there a more annoying duo than Ryan and Mangenius?

[Hoosier Red]

He's 9 of 12 today, are the receivers just bailing him out? I ask because I'm not watching the game.

[WMR]

On that last pass attempt, everything was so deliberate... the DB had all day to read Carson like a book.

[WMR]

He's 9 of 12 today, are the receivers just bailing him out? I ask because I'm not watching the game.

He looked like Old Carson there on that last drive until they got into the redzone.

[WMR]

I really like Keith Rivers. He was superb in pass coverage on that throw to Watson in the endzone. Played it perfectly.

[WMR]

That guy is so stupid to pay for those surely expensive seats and sit there the whole game with a rubber mask on.

[WMR]

Gotta love the offensive holding.

[WMR]

YES!!! yes yes yes yes yes

that was awesome

[WMR]

stupid Brown DB held him again but it didn't matter

[CTA513]

stupid Brown DB held him again but it didn't matter

I hope the Bengals send a tape to the NFL of these non pass interference calls other teams are getting away with on TO.

[Reds Fanatic]

Another ridiculous PI call. Which followed a completed pass which obviously hit the ground

[CTA513]

If the refs are going to make these call for the Browns then they need to start calling them for the Bengals.

[CTA513]

It would be nice if the defense would show up.

[CTA513]

10 point lead for the Browns.


Great job defense.

[Reds Fanatic]

What is Carson doing? Just pitiful

[WMR]

LOL-worthy moment, for sure

[guttle11]

Did Bratkowski really run the ball on 2nd and 16, down by 13 points?

I'm convinced any number of message board blowhards could do a better job.

[Brutus]

Did Bratkowski really run the ball on 2nd and 16, down by 13 points?

I'm convinced any number of message board blowhards could do a better job.

I'm not a Brat fan, but that really wasn't a bad call.

You've got 3 points in your back pocket in that situation, with everyone knowing (thinking) you're going to pass. Why not try a run with their defense back a bit? You can pick up 3-6 yards and make the third down much more manageable than the possibility of 3rd & 16.

[WMR]

What a scumbag... hope Ship is alright.

[WMR]

He better be suspended for that play.

[Reds Fanatic]

Looks like Shipley is out cold

[Redhook]

He better be suspended for that play.

Suspended? He should go straight to jail for that hit. And I'm serious. That's assault.

[WMR]

HELL YEAH

I really want to beat them now. That play really pissed me off.

[Redhook]

Did Bratkowski really run the ball on 2nd and 16, down by 13 points?


That's why he makes the big bucks. Nice, safe calls to preserve the FG's.

[CTA513]

He better be suspended for that play.

I hope its the play that blows the game for them.

[Reds Fanatic]

Good to see Shipley up after the hit. Bengals back in the game. Defense needs a stop here

[Redhook]

HELL YEAH

I really want to beat them now. That play really pissed me off.

Me too. I haven't screamed that loud at someone in a long time.

[Redhook]

Did Bratkowski really run the ball on 2nd and 16, down by 13 points?


Just a few minutes ago, running Benson outside on the short side from the 4-yard line. That was actually worse. They lost 3 on the play, which is probably about average for such a dumb play.

[WMR]

DON'T TELL ME THAT TJ WARD DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING

Is that Rich Gannon talking?

[Redhook]

Shipley officially out with a concussion. Unreal. Now, he may suffer for the rest of his life for that cheap hit.

[WMR]

Shipley officially out with a concussion. Unreal. Now, he may suffer for the rest of his life for that cheap hit.

Awful, just awful. :(

[CTA513]

Just a few minutes ago, running Benson outside on the short side from the 4-yard line. That was actually worse. They lost 3 on the play, which is probably about average for such a dumb play.

They can't play power football like they want to because they don't have a fullback.

[WMR]

Let's go boys

[Redhook]

They can't play power football like they want to because they don't have a fullback.

True, but they still don't have to run ridiculously stupid plays either.

[WMR]

Ahhhh... guarantee you Shipley would've hauled that in

[WMR]

HOW DO YOU NOT FEEL THE BLITZ THERE

arghhhh

[WMR]

defensive freaking holding

lmao

[CTA513]

Defense gives up another 1st down.

Its going to get ugly when they start playing teams with good QBs again.

[Reds Fanatic]

That is the ballgame. Browns can run out the clock now

[WMR]

:sigh:

Really really hope Jordan is alright and really really hope karma pays TJ Ward back in a big way very soon.

[Playadlc]

Game was dominated statistically by the Bengals, but that stupid fumble by Palmer and the blocked FG was the difference.

And I won't shed a single tear if Ward suffers a season-ending injury at some point this year.

[Joseph]

Thank goodness for Reds playoff baseball because this NFL season is going to be a clunker.

[RiverRat13]

I'm really afraid this season is the beginning of another long period of bad Bengals football. The offensive line needs an overhaul. There isn't one legitimate playmaker in the front seven. The receivers are old. And the quarterback is past his prime, but due to his large/long contract coupled with cheap ownership, he will be the starter for the next three or four years. You aren't going to solve all of those problems, but even to address most of them will take several years.

Ugh.

[WVRed]

Found this video when searching TJ Ward:

YouTube - Oregon safety TJ Ward absolutely crushes OSU QB Zac Robinson during the 2008 Holiday Bowl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc8-gJqzWws)

[BoydsOfSummer]

Browns fan here. Ward is well known for big hits, but I won't defend that one. Pretty malicious in my view. He could have blown him up without trying to decapitate him

[Matt700wlw]

Browns fan here. Ward is well known for big hits, but I won't defend that one. Pretty malicious in my view. He could have blown him up without trying to decapitate him

and there would have been absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I hope Shipley's ok.

[Cedric]

I usually don't question the Refs. Today I have to say that was one of the worst crews I have ever seen. Three blown calls and they were all tremendously important.

I don't even want to rant about the Bengals problems. I'm just asking if anyone can remember a crew as inept as that one.

[Brutus]

Found this video when searching TJ Ward:

YouTube - Oregon safety TJ Ward absolutely crushes OSU QB Zac Robinson during the 2008 Holiday Bowl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc8-gJqzWws)

That one was just a great hit. Robinson lowered his head as Ward was flying it, so it made it look a bit like a head-hunting job, but it wasn't. Ward had already started flying in and Robinson ducked. Nothing Ward could have done on that one.

[bucksfan2]

I usually don't question the Refs. Today I have to say that was one of the worst crews I have ever seen. Three blown calls and they were all tremendously important.

I don't even want to rant about the Bengals problems. I'm just asking if anyone can remember a crew as inept as that one.

The three bad ones.

1. Unnecessary roughness on Chinny for trying to separate the WR for the ball.
2. Dhani getting flagged for PI
3. Defensive holding.

I dispise that head official. I just don't think he calls a good game. Those three calls were awful and clearly helped out the Browns.

That said the Bengals had their chances and just didn't capatilize. Hopefully Carson uses this game as a springboard instead of an outlier.

[Reds Freak]

I usually don't question the Refs. Today I have to say that was one of the worst crews I have ever seen. Three blown calls and they were all tremendously important.

I don't even want to rant about the Bengals problems. I'm just asking if anyone can remember a crew as inept as that one.

I don't know what was worse: the skipped pass for a completion, the phantom PI call on Dhani on 3rd down, or the phantom defensive holding on that last drive. I understand what defensive holding is on the line but Pat Sims did absolutely nothing on that play and got flagged for it. It would have been 3rd and long with 4+ minutes on the clock but instead the Browns got a first down and ran out the clock. Of course, the Bengals could have manned up and stopped them...

[mash3024]

A friend of mine just posted this on facebook.

"RT@MissEnquirer:TJ Ward on hit on Shipley:“I hit him with my shoulder.They tried to yap at me, but I ignored them. I would do it again.”"

I hope this isn't forgotten when the Browns come into town later this year.

[kaldaniels]

A friend of mine just posted this on facebook.

"RT@MissEnquirer:TJ Ward on hit on Shipley:“I hit him with my shoulder.They tried to yap at me, but I ignored them. I would do it again.”"

I hope this isn't forgotten when the Browns come into town later this year.

Trust me, it will not be forgotten every time a Bengals reciever goes across the middle. :cool:

[mlh1981]

Carson finally had a good game, but didn't make the plays in the clutch, we didn't run the ball enough, and Hillis just dominated us.

[Cedric]

Trust me, it will not be forgotten every time a Bengals reciever goes across the middle. :cool:

He might have ended the players career and possibly killed him. I'm not exaggerating.

I don't think it's particularly cute or funny.

[kaldaniels]

He might have ended the players career and possibly killed him. I'm not exaggerating.

I don't think it's particularly cute or funny.

I don't either, but the post that I was referencing said that "I hope the Bengals remember this next time they play". Which I took as saying revenge is in order. Hence my response.

Possibly killed?...yeah that is exaggerating. I mean there are numerous plays each week where a guy could "possibly" be killed. But we all still watch. So please, dial that rhetoric down a notch. In this thread I have seen your kill remark and someone seriously say Ward should go to jail for that hit. Being the sarcastic (and many times unfunny) person I am...I just can't bite my tongue on that.

Best wishes to Jordan.

Oh and by the way, football as we know it will be extinct in 30 years due to the brains of these guys being destroyed. I truly believe that.

[Redsfaithful]

Probably have to sweep the rest of the division games this year to make up for that loss. The schedule outside of the division is so tough that they had no real room for error. The Browns are improved I think, but that's still a game the Bengals have to win.

Had a bad feeling about this one all week for some reason. I'd hoped the Bengals would take a step forward this year, but they look about the same as last year, and with the tougher schedule I think that's looking like anywhere from 6-8 wins and no playoffs. Hope I'm wrong and they can build, but I think the team is so flawed in certain areas (o-line, offensive coordinator) that the ceiling is lower than I had hoped.

If the team went all no huddle against weaker teams I think they'd probably win all the games they're "supposed" to. That's what bugged me the most today, go no huddle and tear down the field only to stop in the red zone, huddle up and get nowhere. What is going on there?

[GAC]

Thought it was a good game. I also thought it was going to be a close affair and a game my Browns could win. Both defenses played well, but the Browns defense came up with the big plays when they needed to. We got 6 pts off of two turnovers, plus blocked a FG, and that comes up big in close games later on.

I hope this game, and watching Seneca, seals the fate of Delhomme as our QB. Stupid signing to begin with. I actually thought the Bengals did a good job stopping and tackling Hillis for awhile there; but that kid is a punishing runner.

I thought Palmer and Owens had solid performances overall. But I think that not being able to get their running game going with Benson hurt the Bengals.

The Browns were 0-3 going in, but had lost all three games by a total of 12 pts. They even led every one of those games in the 4th quarter, but found ways to let them slip away. And it could have easily happened yesterday too. That sack of Palmer with about 5 minutes to go came up huge.

[Redhook]

someone seriously say Ward should go to jail for that hit.

And I stand by that. This violent hit was one of the worst I've ever seen as it was late, cheap, and to his head. Just a terrible combo.

[Redhook]

Funny how my least favorite two NFL players have the same last name, Ward.

[cincrazy]

And I stand by that. This violent hit was one of the worst I've ever seen as it was late, cheap, and to his head. Just a terrible combo.

I wasn't thrilled with the hit, but no way does T.J. Ward go to jail for that hit. It's football, these things happen. I don't think he was intentionally trying to hurt Jordan Shipley, he was just a young guy trying to make a play.

[WVRed]

I think Ward will be fined, but saying that he should go to jail is just as laughable as the people who said the same about Rufus after tackling Brutus a couple of weeks ago.

My dad thought Holmgren should have cut him, especially if it would have cost the Browns the game.

EDIT: Ward obviously doesn't get it.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20101003/SPT02/310030034/1062/SPT/Hit-on-Shipley-called-cheap-shot-


"I hit him with my shoulder," Ward said. "They (Bengals) tried to yap at me, but I ignored them. I would do it again.”

[Sea Ray]

Probably have to sweep the rest of the division games this year to make up for that loss. The schedule outside of the division is so tough that they had no real room for error. The Browns are improved I think, but that's still a game the Bengals have to win.

Had a bad feeling about this one all week for some reason. I'd hoped the Bengals would take a step forward this year, but they look about the same as last year, and with the tougher schedule I think that's looking like anywhere from 6-8 wins and no playoffs. Hope I'm wrong and they can build, but I think the team is so flawed in certain areas (o-line, offensive coordinator) that the ceiling is lower than I had hoped.

If the team went all no huddle against weaker teams I think they'd probably win all the games they're "supposed" to. That's what bugged me the most today, go no huddle and tear down the field only to stop in the red zone, huddle up and get nowhere. What is going on there?

What makes you think the Steelers and Ravens will sweep them? Did you not see the Browns-Ravens game? I think you are underestimating the Browns

[Todd Gack]

And I stand by that. This violent hit was one of the worst I've ever seen as it was late, cheap, and to his head. Just a terrible combo.


10 years ago, not many people would've said much.

Look, I don't think Ward was trying to hurt him. He was just trying to hit him really, really, really hard just like pretty much every other defender out there. This is the NFL and the NFL has made it a softer sport with these kind of hits. Heck, Europeons are now laughing at us for how soft the NFL has become. He deserved to be flagged by rule and I agree with that. But I don't agree with everyone saying it was 'dirty.'

Are these the same fans that thought Hines Ward's hit was dirty on Keith Rivers? It's amazing how soft, not only has the NFL become, but the fans too.

[RiverRat13]

I've always found it interesting that football is the one context where hitting someone when they either aren't looking or able to defend themselves makes someone manly or tough.

The NFL has become softer because we now understand what these blows to the head do to those who receive them. And after studies have shown that the average lifespan for an NFL player is 55, compared to 77 for the population at large.

[Redsfaithful]

What makes you think the Steelers and Ravens will sweep them? Did you not see the Browns-Ravens game? I think you are underestimating the Browns

No, no, I meant the Bengals probably need to sweep the Ravens and Steelers now to make up for that. For the Bengals to make the playoffs this year with their schedule I have been figuring they needed to go 5-1 or 6-0 in their division. Could still go 5-1 but the road just got tougher.

I definitely think the Browns could win some more division games. They have their issues but they don't seem to be the same team they've been the past couple years.

[Sea Ray]

10 years ago, not many people would've said much.

Look, I don't think Ward was trying to hurt him. He was just trying to hit him really, really, really hard just like pretty much every other defender out there. This is the NFL and the NFL has made it a softer sport with these kind of hits. Heck, Europeons are now laughing at us for how soft the NFL has become. He deserved to be flagged by rule and I agree with that. But I don't agree with everyone saying it was 'dirty.'

Are these the same fans that thought Hines Ward's hit was dirty on Keith Rivers? It's amazing how soft, not only has the NFL become, but the fans too.

The Ward hit was a blow to the head and that affects a player's life. The hit by the Bengals was a hard hit intended to create a fumble but it was NOT a blow to the head. Big difference

[Redhook]

Look, I don't think Ward was trying to hurt him.

I disagree, I think he was. He didn't have to hit him squarely in the face/head. There are really hard hits, then there are malicious, intentional blows directly to the head. This was the latter. Just a brutal, brutal hit. I just watched it a few more times and it gets worse the more you see it. Ward obliterated Shipley's face/head. Shipley will suffer short-term and long-term effects from this hit. It's the fact that the hit was directly to Shipley's head that irritates me the most and why I think it was so bad.

[Redhook]

I think Ward will be fined, but saying that he should go to jail is just as laughable as the people who said the same about Rufus after tackling Brutus a couple of weeks ago.

Terrible analogy. Comparing this intentional, dirty hit that will affect someone's life to the mascots shenanigans is ignorant.

What if Shipley suffered a brain hemorrage or something of the sort? What if he got paralyzed from this cheap hit? Would your opinion change? There is a big difference between the game of football and garbage hits like that. I'd still love to see him go to jail for a few days for that hit.

[kaldaniels]

We can argue in circles, so I'll just state my opinion and leave it be. I don't think it was an intentional head shot. Shipley was being dragged to the ground, and in that split second he got drilled in the head. Had he not been falling it would have been a shot to the chest. Do I know this for sure? No. But nor does anyone else know it was intentional.

[WMR]

You forgot how classy Browns fans could be since they all kept quiet while they were horrible.

[Brutus]

10 years ago, not many people would've said much.

Look, I don't think Ward was trying to hurt him. He was just trying to hit him really, really, really hard just like pretty much every other defender out there. This is the NFL and the NFL has made it a softer sport with these kind of hits. Heck, Europeons are now laughing at us for how soft the NFL has become. He deserved to be flagged by rule and I agree with that. But I don't agree with everyone saying it was 'dirty.'

Are these the same fans that thought Hines Ward's hit was dirty on Keith Rivers? It's amazing how soft, not only has the NFL become, but the fans too.

Oh, of course! Todd Gack. Who did you bet was in Star Wars? Sammy Davis Jr.?

[Brutus]

Bad hit, but not as criminal as it's being made out to be here.

He led with his shoulder, and did duck down as if he was going for the upper body. It was a lazy hit, which made it a bit more dangerous because it ended up being up on the face mask, but I see nothing that leads one to believe it was in any way, shape or form a hit that was meant harm on the other player.

Penalty, yes. Fined, yes. But nothing criminal about it.

[ochre]

Was Ward the one that went helmet to helmet on Gresham earlier, or was that Wright?

[Yachtzee]

Some of us Bengals fans realize that head shots, whether it be leading with the helmet or aimed at the other guy's helmet, are always bad news. David Pollack was just coming into his own when he injured his neck on a tackle where he led with his helmet. I wonder if it's going to take someone actually dying on the field before players take the shots to the head seriously.

[Redhook]

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20101005/SPT02/10060365

Article from the Enquirer today about the hit. Ex-head Ref calls the hit "malicious". He'd like to use Ward as an example that the league won't tolerate hits like this.

[Redhook]

Bad hit, but not as criminal as it's being made out to be here.

He led with his shoulder, and did duck down as if he was going for the upper body. It was a lazy hit, which made it a bit more dangerous because it ended up being up on the face mask, but I see nothing that leads one to believe it was in any way, shape or form a hit that was meant harm on the other player.

Penalty, yes. Fined, yes. But nothing criminal about it.

I think you're a very intelligent person and a wonderful poster on Redszone. I usually agree with you 100%. That being said, everything you wrote in the above post I disagree with. I strongly believe there was intent to hurt with his actions. I saw nothing in the hit where he was trying to lay off or hit him properly. He's a 240-pound wrecking ball smashing into someone's head with a lot of speed. Without pads, Shipley might be dead. I just don't see how anyone can think this hit wasn't that bad.

[bucksfan2]

I think you're a very intelligent person and a wonderful poster on Redszone. I usually agree with you 100%. That being said, everything you wrote in the above post I disagree with. I strongly believe there was intent to hurt with his actions. I saw nothing in the hit where he was trying to lay off or hit him properly. He's a 240-pound wrecking ball smashing into someone's head with a lot of speed. Without pads, Shipley might be dead. I just don't see how anyone can think this hit wasn't that bad.

I kinda agree with both the two of you.

First of all it was a busch league hit. No two ways about it. It was a cheap shot and Ward was attempting to knock on Shipley. That said that is the nature of football. Shipley knows when he steps on the field that it is a dangerous game. He knows that there is a risk of injury, concussion, and even paralysis that can come from playing the game of football. If your afraid to take a hit, especially as a slot receiver, you career will in all likelihood will be short.

When defenders step onto the field they want to "hurt" their opponent. They want to hit them so bad they don't want to go over the middle. They want to hit them so bad they don't want to come back into the game. When you step in between the lines it is a violent game in which both sides will do whatever they can to get an advantage. IMO nothing that happens within the confines of the game should be considered illegal. Unless someone takes off his helmet and uses it as a weapon or someone starts to attack an player who is knocked out I don't see anything illegal in the nature of a unnecessary roughness play, especially a play in which the offender was not ejected from the game.

It is up to the NFL, and the NFL has begun to do a good job of protecting its players. Ward should be fined heavily and probably should be made an example and serve a suspension. That was a tough hit, but a hit not unlike one you would see from the Jack Tatum highlights or Ray Lewis on a given day.

[Todd Gack]

I disagree, I think he was. He didn't have to hit him squarely in the face/head. There are really hard hits, then there are malicious, intentional blows directly to the head. This was the latter. Just a brutal, brutal hit. I just watched it a few more times and it gets worse the more you see it. Ward obliterated Shipley's face/head. Shipley will suffer short-term and long-term effects from this hit. It's the fact that the hit was directly to Shipley's head that irritates me the most and why I think it was so bad.


I assumed that when you play defense, a lot of these guys try to make the biggest hit as possible. If it ends up hurting someone, no one on defense really cares unless they did it on purpose.

What are DB's supposed to do these days? What if Shipley caught the pass? Was Ward supposed to just stop or slow up? You can't teach those guys this.

[Eric_the_Red]

Ward was fined $15,000 for his hit on Shipley.

[Todd Gack]

Ward was fined $15,000 for his hit on Shipley.

That's fine and I have no problem with it. According to the rules, he should've been fined. But that's why I have a problem. You can't teach defensive players to just stop or slow up on hits. The NFL likes parity. They love new teams coming up each every year and winning. But they've done nothing but to help out defenses. A lot of rule changes have been in the name of 'safety.' Kimo's hit wasn't dirty, and yet the NFL decided it was better to fine players for hits such as that. Now, we get calls like Justin Smith in Tampa or the Baltimore hit on Carson a few weeks back that decide games in the name of 'safety.'

[Redhook]

Was Ward supposed to just stop or slow up? You can't teach those guys this.

No, he wasn't supposed to slow up. But, he also didn't have to raise up and obliterate Shipley in the face either. And late too. He easily could've avoided the hit, or most of it, if he wanted to.

Listen, I love big hits in football. It's great to see a guy get blown up from time to time. I just can't stand cheap hits. Late hits. And, specifically, ones to the head.

[Sea Ray]

It should also be noted that Ndukwe's hit was clean. It never should have been flagged. This from the Bengals website:


Bengals safety Chinedum Ndukwe has learned he won't be fined for his hit on tight end Ben Watson at the end of the first half that was flagged for unnecessary roughness. "They said it was clean," Ndukwe said. "They said we won the appeal."

[Todd Gack]

No, he wasn't supposed to slow up. But, he also didn't have to raise up and obliterate Shipley in the face either. And late too. He easily could've avoided the hit, or most of it, if he wanted to.

Listen, I love big hits in football. It's great to see a guy get blown up from time to time. I just can't stand cheap hits. Late hits. And, specifically, ones to the head.

Did you think Hines Ward's hit was cheap on Keith Rivers?

[Redhook]

Did you think Hines Ward's hit was cheap on Keith Rivers?

No. It wasn't cheap. It would've been nice if he hit him a little lower so River's jaw didn't break, but it wasn't cheap at all. Huge difference between Hines' hit and TJ's, IMO.

[Todd Gack]

No. It wasn't cheap. It would've been nice if he hit him a little lower so River's jaw didn't break, but it wasn't cheap at all. Huge difference between Hines' hit and TJ's, IMO.

You do realize Shipley would've received the same hit had he caught the ball, right? The hits by Ward will never stop no matter what rule you put in place. It's just another rule to help out the offenses.

[Yachtzee]

The Browns seem to be proud of the hit. Hope they don't complain in 20 years when half of them are permanently disabled and unable to work from all the punishment they put their bodies through.

[Tornon]

Oh, of course! Todd Gack. Who did you bet was in Star Wars? Sammy Davis Jr.?

I think it was Dustin Hoffman

[flyer85]

The Browns seem to be proud of the hit. Hope they don't complain in 20 years when half of them are permanently disabled and unable to work from all the punishment they put their bodies through.
Rodney Harrison made a career out of those kind of hits. One thing that will happen is that receivers around the league will take notice and for a safety having a reputation as a head hunter is probably not a bad thing.

If the NFL wanted to get serious they would have to start suspending guys for multiple games.

[Playadlc]

Anyone see this?

joereedy And it's on RT @MaryKayCabot: #Browns DC Rob Ryan says if Bengals want to talk cheap shots, Livings dove & hit Fujita in back of legs
2 minutes ago

RT @MaryKayCabot: Did I forget to mention that #Browns DC Rob Ryan called Livings an ---hole for hitting Fujita in back of legs?#nfl

http://twitter.com/joereedy

[CTA513]

Anyone see this?

joereedy And it's on RT @MaryKayCabot: #Browns DC Rob Ryan says if Bengals want to talk cheap shots, Livings dove & hit Fujita in back of legs
2 minutes ago

RT @MaryKayCabot: Did I forget to mention that #Browns DC Rob Ryan called Livings an ---hole for hitting Fujita in back of legs?#nfl

http://twitter.com/joereedy


It looks like you can add cheap shots as another thing Livings isn't good at.

[WMR]

It looks like you can add cheap shots as another thing Livings isn't good at.

:lol:

:roll:

We can't even cheat right.

[Tony Cloninger]

I remember Collingsworth getting decapitated by one of the Browns DB's and they were barking at him afterwards or right after it. Classless DB's who had height complexes and tried to be cheap shot artists under the guise of "hard nose football"

Not one of the Bengals players came over and basically say anything or take one of them out. Never saw them do anything in any other games to take those punks out. I think it was Minnifield. So all this payback stuff is bull.

Maybe they will get lucky and get Ward near the sidelines and hit him hard enough to nail Mangini.

[Yachtzee]

Rodney Harrison made a career out of those kind of hits. One thing that will happen is that receivers around the league will take notice and for a safety having a reputation as a head hunter is probably not a bad thing.

If the NFL wanted to get serious they would have to start suspending guys for multiple games.

And Rodney Harrison was a classless dirty player. If they want to play that way, fine, whatever. However, I'm tired of hearing all these old-timers complain about how the NFL has gone soft, yet turn around and whine about how the NFL doesn't take care of them now that they're old and disabled and all took early withdrawals on their pensions so that they don't have any money left now that they need it. But they want people to feel sorry for them to guilt the NFL and the Players Association into giving them more money.

The Browns can sit there and crow about how great it is that hits like this are going to make WRs scared to go over the middle on them. But I have a feeling these same jerks are going to be the ones whining in 10-20 years about how they're permanently disabled because the NFL didn't do enough to protect them when they were playing. If you want to play football like that and take pride in it, then you have no one to blame but yourself when you're 50 and need a live-in home care assistant to change your diapers. When are these guys going to learn that this kind of play is dangerous? Will it take a death on the field?

[Redhook]

More nasty hits this weekend. Some of these guys are getting obliterated out there. I really don't want someone to die on the football field, but, at this point in time, I'm kind of expecting it to happen.

[Yachtzee]

More nasty hits this weekend. Some of these guys are getting obliterated out there. I really don't want someone to die on the football field, but, at this point in time, I'm kind of expecting it to happen.

I find it interesting how the Browns seemed to take pride in T.J. Ward's hit on Shipley when they played the Bengals, yet they seemed to be on the receiving end of it this past weekend. What goes around comes around. I got and idea. Instead of defensive players launching themselves at the offensive player in order to knock his block off, why don't they practice sound fundamentals and wrap the guy up? There is no need to lead with the helmet or use your shoulder pads to bludgeon your opponent.