Reds at Friars for the sweep... (4/13/11)

[Homer Bailey]

Stubbs 8
Phillips 4
Votto 3
Gomes 7
Francisco 5
Heisey 9
Hernandez 2
Janish 6
Wood 1

vs. RH Stauffer

[reds44]

Francisco is busting out today.

[traderumor]

Francisco is busting out today.
Hopefully they have an extra pair of pants for him :)

[OesterPoster]

Hopefully they have an extra pair of pants for him :)

Well, he only needs Juan pair.

[The Operator]

Bruce looked like he was finally getting a clue last night and winds up on the bench tonight? Not sure I get that.

Otherwise, good lineup.

[Tornon]

Well, he only needs Juan pair.

....

[11larkin11]

We're 2-0 vs. the Fathers and Padres, hopefully we can pull out the brooms against the Friars.

[MikeS21]

Bruce looked like he was finally getting a clue last night and winds up on the bench tonight? Not sure I get that.

Otherwise, good lineup.
Mark Sheldon reporting via Twitter that Jay Bruce tweaked his groin last night.

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/2011/04/13/west-coast-trip-finale/

[The Operator]

Mark Sheldon reporting via Twitter that Jay Bruce tweaked his groin last night.

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/2011/04/13/west-coast-trip-finale/Yea, I just saw that over on ORG. That would make sense.

Hopefully it's not serious.

[RedsMan3203]

No HD Tonight?!?!

[RedsMan3203]

Anyone else hear that pin drop?

[RedsMan3203]

1-2-3 1st for the Reds.....

[kbrake]

Where was that?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Not sure I've seen Wood work this slowly.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Line out to Stubbs to end the inning. 1 bb, 1 K for wood.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hang on, I missed some of that inning....did Francisco...WALK?!? :O)

[kbrake]

Yep that was indeed a Francisco walk :)

[kbrake]

Everyone still catching up on sleep from the last 2 nights or what?

[_Sir_Charles_]

I was cooking dinner and feeding the baby. I should be able to do some PBP now.

[WebScorpion]

I thought Bailey was rehabbing in Louisville? They just showed him at the game. :confused:

[_Sir_Charles_]

1-2-3 down go the Padres. 2 k's (3 for the game)

[_Sir_Charles_]

I thought Bailey was rehabbing in Louisville? They just showed him at the game. :confused:

He's GOING to be rehabbing. He and Cueto are with the team today.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Both pitchers with 3 innings of 1 hit, shutout ball. 1 walk a piece and 3 k's each.

[reds44]

Got home, put the game on, Dick Enberg nearly put me to sleep after 4 pitches.

Thank God for FSN.

[kbrake]

I was cooking dinner and feeding the baby. I should be able to do some PBP now.

No worries it just seems pretty dead in here.

[reds44]

Have no fear kbrake, I'm here lol

[_Sir_Charles_]

Votto singles to lead off the 4th. Ma. Chine.

[WebScorpion]

Votto singles to lead off the 4th. Ma. Chine.
I think he's a better hitter this year...he just slapped that into right field. :eek: He's going to get a batting title if he keeps that up all year. :D

[edabbs44]

Jonny refusing to swing

[reds44]

Oh how I like this new Jonny.

[edabbs44]

Drills a single. Hysterical.

1st and 3rd, no out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Juan beats out a DP ball. Joey scores. 1-0 Reds. Ribbie #1 for Juan.

[WebScorpion]

Jonny refusing to swing
Jonny Walker Red! ;)

[reds44]

What a stud.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Heisey! Ground rule double. Just PUMMELED it! Easily would've plated Francisco unfortunately.

[kbrake]

Have no fear kbrake, I'm here lol

Its officially a party haha.

[reds44]

Its officially a party haha.
Who has the beast light?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Surprising. IBB to Razor who's struggling to pitch to Soft J who's raking. Not that I'm complaining.

Oops. Only 1 out. :O) Putting him on to put the DP in play.

[WebScorpion]

I'd be bummed about the ground rule double if I thought they were done hitting. I think they'll plate that run anyway. ;)

[kbrake]

Who has the beast light?

Yeah I avoided that conversation all together haha. I prefer some vodka.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Reds 0 for 12 with the bases jacked this season.

[RedsMan3203]

Reds 0 for 12 with the bases jacked this season.

How many walks do they have?

[edabbs44]

Surprising. IBB to Razor who's struggling to pitch to Soft J who's raking. Not that I'm complaining.

Oops. Only 1 out. :O) Putting him on to put the DP in play.

Paul isn't really raking.

[reds44]

Pitchers can get Janish out really whenever they want.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Paul isn't really raking.

Let a guy dream, will ya? :O) I'll take a .350'ish ba out of my SS any day.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Really close. Probably a strike.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Moot point. K. And Bud Black is tossed.

Middle of 4th, 1-0 Redlegs.

[reds44]

I don't think I've ever seen that beofre lol. Gets a called third strike and then gets tossed lol

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bartlett flied out to right for the 1st out.

Quickly 3-0 to Hudson....5 pitch bb.

[WebScorpion]

Pitchers can get Janish out really whenever they want.At the moment that may be true, but Paul can hit when he's in the groove. When he's rolling he sends a lot of pitches straight back up the middle...he's just not rolling right now. :dunno:

[reds44]

At the moment that may be true, but Paul can hit when he's in the groove. When he's rolling he sends a lot of pitches straight back up the middle...he's just not rolling right now. :dunno:
I just think when pitchers actually bare down and try to get him out, he has no shot.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cantu grounds to Juan at third. They take the play at 2nd. 2 down.

[NC Reds]

Janish is hitting .333. It is a good thing not to parse every AB. He makes plenty of outs, as does most everyone else.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I just think when pitchers actually bare down and try to get him out, he has no shot.

Disagree. Paul is very good at making contact. Little power, but fairly consistent contact. He'll get his fair share of singles and gappers. If it was that easy for the pitchers he'd be hitting .000 and not over .300.

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKKK

[reds44]

Janish is a career .233 hitter people. That's bad.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Janish is a career .233 hitter people. That's bad.

And over the past 2 seasons he's made considerable improvement. I'd prefer to look at the current trend...which is upward.

[JaxRed]

Watching the Pads broadcast (in HD). Twice they referred to the "speedy" Francisco.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Single to left from Stubby. Nice start to the 5th.

[WebScorpion]

Janish is a career .233 hitter people. That's bad.
Last year he batted .260 and every year he has improved. I expect him to hit around .270 this season...as mentioned, he's quite a bit above that right now.

[reds44]

Janish is fine as the starting SS, don't get me wrong. But saying Janish is "good" at anything having to do with hitting is an epic stretch.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Watching the Pads broadcast (in HD). Twice they referred to the "speedy" Francisco.

LOL. Well he DID beat out a double play earlier. :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

Janish is fine as the starting SS, don't get me wrong. But saying Janish is "good" at anything having to do with hitting is an epic stretch.

That's just flat wrong. He may not get good results, but he IS good at making contact and he IS good at putting together solid ab's. He's very similar to Hanigan in that regard IMO.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Last year he batted .260 and every year he has improved. I expect him to hit around .270 this season...as mentioned, he's quite a bit above that right now.

This is about what I'm thinking too. With fewer than 5 dingers sprinkled in there.

[reds44]

MVP.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Brandon grounds out to second.

Votto with a big double that plates Stubbs! 2-0

[NC Reds]

Petco is annoying.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Pitching change.

[reds44]

Lol "here comes your boy Chad Qualls."

[WebScorpion]

Votto hits a 400 foot double to run the pitcher. :eek:

[BCubb2003]

Votto hits a 400 foot double. :eek:

Welcome to Petco National Park. Don't feed the animals.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm not sure what happened to Qualls after he left Houston but he was a flat out stud with the Astros.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice little stretch for Gomes the past few games has pushed his BA all the way up to .281.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ball 4 to Jonny Walker and Qualls fell asleep. Votto swipes third. :O)

[edabbs44]

Jonny BB Goode. Again.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks for the PBP. I had forgotten the Reds game was earlier tonight.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Darn. Juan hits into a 1-6-3 dp. But we plate one for a 2-0 lead.

[Puffy]

I still can't fathom what people see in Juan Francisco. I mean people were rejoicing that he would be getting starts when Rolen needs rest because its better to have him out there instead of Cairo. And I just can't see it.

At all.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Headley leads off with a single to left. Deno up.

[RedsMan3203]

Anyone notice that the crowd behind home plate seems to be made up of mostly women?

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm getting a bunch of "database errors" so bear with me.

Deno flied out to Stubbs, then Johnson singled to left.

Now a liner to Heisey, who drops it. Throws to second to force out Johnson.

1st and 3rd with 2 down now.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I still can't fathom what people see in Juan Francisco. I mean people were rejoicing that he would be getting starts when Rolen needs rest because its better to have him out there instead of Cairo. And I just can't see it.

At all.

I agree. But everyone who watched him in the minors raved about his power. Since we haven't seen it here with Cincy...it's hard to see his upside. But thus far, he's been unimpressive.

[reds44]

Heisey!

[Raisor]

I still can't fathom what people see in Juan Francisco. I mean people were rejoicing that he would be getting starts when Rolen needs rest because its better to have him out there instead of Cairo. And I just can't see it.

At all.

look at it this way: He is not
joe Randa.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Long running catch by Heisey to end the inning.

[BCubb2003]

Heisey invents the outfield fly rule.

[edabbs44]

Nice play by Heisey.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ernesto Frieri on the bump.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Heisey flied out to Maybin.

[Homer Bailey]

That was a nice play by Heisey, and not to be that guy, but I think Bruce makes that one standing up. I don't think he got a great jump on that ball.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Razor hits one to right, Deno dives and misses. Double for Ramon.

Janish pops one up and Cantu goes into the stands to haul it in. Ramon, playing heads up ball, takes third on the play.

Wood then K's swinging to end the inning.

2-0 Reds mid 6th.

Tons of Database errors past 2 or 3 days.

[Puffy]

look at it this way: He is not
joe Randa.

Hey, if Joe Randa would of been a sub and not a starter I would of been fine with him. It was the starting of Randa (who I loathe) that I loathed.

[Homer Bailey]

I swear Janish hits more infield pops than any major leaguer that I've ever seen.

[WebScorpion]

Tons of Database errors on the 'Zone this week. Yikes! :eek:

Janish popped out in foul territory and Ramon advanced to third base.
Wood strikes out to end the inning.
2-0 Reds after 5.5.

[BCubb2003]

The database needs to take some extra infield.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cubs quickly up 5-0 on the Astros and Wandy Rodriguez in the 1st.
Brewers up 1-0 on the Pirates in the 6th.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Liner to Votto, 1 down.

[WebScorpion]

Liner to Votto, 1 down.

Nice vertical leap for a first baseman. :D

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKKKK

Really solid outing thus far. Nice bounce back from his last start.

[reds44]

I don't think I could be a Padres fan. These 2-1 losses would get old in a hurry.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cantu grounds out to Soft J. 1-2-3 for Wood. 2-0 Reds after 6 full.

[kbrake]

I don't think I could be a Padres fan. These 2-1 losses would get old in a hurry.

Like an entire season of the Seattle or Philadelphia series last year. Brutal.

[WebScorpion]

KKKKK

Really solid outing thus far. Nice bounce back from his last start.

Travis is weaving a nice little 3-hit shutout today...about 80 pitches through 6 innings, so he should be able to get into the 8th. :clap:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Stubbs grounds out to short. 1 down.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Brewers now up 4-0.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Phillips flies out to Denorfia. 0-4 now. It seems like he's been getting on base constantly. Seems weird seeing him with an oh-fer.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Single to center for Votto. Joey looks at the pitchers mound and sees his little league coach throwing BP...every AB.

[WebScorpion]

Joey can hit anything...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Gomes fouls out to Cantu.

Seriously? A pitchout with Votto on first? Okie-dokie.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hopefully somebody can take over the PBP for a bit. Gotta get the girls ready for bed.

[Plus Plus]

I'll see what I can do.

Ludwick flies out to Chris Heisey. 1 out.

[Plus Plus]

Headley singles to third, 1 on 1 out.

(sorry all, I'm using gamecast so I won't be able to personalize anything...)

[NC Reds]

Denorfia singles sharply to left.

[WebScorpion]

Denorfia singles sharply to left.
It was just out of the diving Janish's reach. Price on the phone to the 'pen...

[reds44]

Hey uh Dusty...

[NC Reds]

Got squeezed there.

[RedsMan3203]

1 pitch... That's all it takes...

[Plus Plus]

Gameday shows three of the 4 pitches that Johnson walked on as being in the zone...

[BuckeyeRedleg]

I still can't fathom what people see in Juan Francisco. I mean people were rejoicing that he would be getting starts when Rolen needs rest because its better to have him out there instead of Cairo. And I just can't see it.

At all.

Agree. I'd rather Francisco get consistent AB's and learn some plate discipline in AAA. I'm not sure what the big deal is with him anyway. He seems like a LH version of Willy Mo Pena. Yawn.

I know they're not on the 40-man, but Hermida or Dorn would be better options for a LH hitter off the bench.

[WebScorpion]

In Woods defense, those last 2 balls were stikes earlier...these umps are not very consistent.:rolleyes:

[Plus Plus]

Sac fly brings in one- 1st and 3rd, 2 out

[Plus Plus]

Jordan Smith in for Wood.

[WebScorpion]

98 pitches for Travis and he leaves with a 2-1 lead. Jordan Smith is in to get the 3rd out. :thumbup:

[Matt700wlw]

Chapman warming up now.

Nick Masset I believe is still sitting down.

[reds44]

Jordan Smith must have gigantic testicles.

[Plus Plus]

Smith gets Venable (who was PH for Maybin) to fly out to center to end the inning.

[HokieRed]

Time for us to put up a couple more runs.

[Raisor]

Jordan Smith must have gigantic testicles.

I bet his mother is proud.

[Plus Plus]

Mike Adams in to pitch for the Padres.

[reds44]

I bet his mother is proud.
Or at least his daddy.

[Plus Plus]

Francisco flies out to Left. 1 out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Josh Johnson has a little something going on in the 7th. I won't say the words though. :O)

[reds44]

San Diego gun will have Chapman's fastball and 87 today.

[hebroncougar]

With this umps strike zone, I'm a little fearful of bringing in Chapman at this point.

[_Sir_Charles_]

92? There's GOT to be something wrong with the gun here. He hasn't hit 100 here in SD. Not really even close.

[Matt700wlw]

Marty and Jim commented on Chapman not hitting 100 yet, but it looks like he's throwing the same.

The guns have to be juiced.

Oh crap, now the trainer is out of the dugout with Price

[reds44]

Oh My God.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Trainer out.

Is it the trainer/translator?

[edabbs44]

This is not good.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Pickoff move...air mailed. Runner to second.

Masset up in the pen.

[Matt700wlw]

Great...

[Matt700wlw]

Masset warming now...

[KYRedsFan]

he looks terrible

[redsfaninbsg]

I'd get him out. There is no sense in risking anything with this guys arm.

[Stephenk29]

hurry nick

[RedsManRick]

I missed it, why did Dusty not put Smith back out there? Chapman has consistently displayed problems with fatigue...

[_Sir_Charles_]

1 strike so far.

[KYRedsFan]

seriously, why is he in? if there is even a thought of an injury pull his ass

[RedsMan3203]

Nice Play!!!!

[KYRedsFan]

WOW!!!!!!!

[reds44]

Yes! Sir!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bunt, Chappy gets it and nails the runner at third! Nice.

[reds44]

Holy crap Brantley loves it lol

[reds44]

Think he was safe again lol

[_Sir_Charles_]

Masset & Hanigan in. Double switch.

[KYRedsFan]

chapman out. uggh. glad he's coming out but this better not be an arm injury

[Homer Bailey]

He was safe again.

[Matt700wlw]

Day off tomorrow should get Champman ready for the Pirates game.

[Quatitos]

Think he was safe again lol

I think Fransisco actually did block the bag a bit, just enough to get the tag down first.

[RedsManRick]

Dusty doing his best LaRussa... 1 out for you. 1 out for you...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Anybody know...do they use the same radar gun readings for the stadium as they do for the television broadcasts? Because either they've done something funny with the gun, or he's not himself.

[RedsMan3203]

Day off tomorrow should get Champman ready for the Pirates game.

It's the Pirates....

Lets see what type of speed we see from Masset....

[The Operator]

If Chapman keeps having problems with back to back days, should The Reds scrap the whole relief idea and start stretching him back out to be a starter?

[reds44]

He still looks safe.

[WebScorpion]

Think he was safe again lol
Yea, I thought he was out initially, but on the replay it looked like he was safe by microseconds. Regardless, good throw by Chapman.

[Homer Bailey]

I think Fransisco actually did block the bag a bit, just enough to get the tag down first.

The runners heel was blocked by JF, but his toe was on the bag.

[Superdude]

So why is Chapman throwing like Bill Bray?

[reds44]

If Chapman keeps having problems with back to back days, should The Reds scrap the whole relief idea and start stretching him back out to be a starter?
Should be doing that anyway.

[_Sir_Charles_]

If Chapman keeps having problems with back to back days, should The Reds scrap the whole relief idea and start stretching him back out to be a starter?

But, but, but...I was told this was nonsense and that there's no evidence of this being true. :O)

[dougdirt]

Anybody know...do they use the same radar gun readings for the stadium as they do for the television broadcasts? Because either they've done something funny with the gun, or he's not himself.

According to Pitch FX he was throwing 91-94. I am officially concerned.

[WebScorpion]

If Chapman keeps having problems with back to back days, should The Reds scrap the whole relief idea and start stretching him back out to be a starter?
Personally, I never liked the bullpen idea...I think they're just capitalizing on his gate value not doing what's best for his development.

[_Sir_Charles_]

SB...throw into center...heads to third.

[edabbs44]

If Chapman keeps having problems with back to back days, should The Reds scrap the whole relief idea and start stretching him back out to be a starter?

If his arm isn't strong enough to pitch back to back, I wonder what he'll look like in the 6th or 7th inning.

[reds44]

If his velocity is really that far down pitching back to back to days or twice in three days he needs to be moved back to a starter immeditaley.

[reds44]

Well this one is going at least 12.

[RedsMan3203]

Don't blame Masset with this one...

JF still made a great play at 3rd.

[RedsMan3203]

Masset throwing his normal mid 90's... I think the gun is fine.....

[WebScorpion]

If his arm isn't strong enough to pitch back to back, I wonder what he'll look like in the 6th or 7th inning.
The 24 hour or 48 hour recovery time of muscles is completely different from the endurance of the same muscles over a single outing with four days of rest.

[BCubb2003]

On the Padres broadcast, stolen bases are sponsored by s bail bondsman.

[RedsManRick]

Wonder if Hernandez was telling Chapman that he needs to tell the coaches if he doesn't feel right.

[Quatitos]

If his velocity is really that far down pitching back to back to days or twice in three days he needs to be moved back to a starter immeditaley.

That was actually his fourth time in five days.

[reds44]

That was actually his fourth time in five days.
But it was down last night when it was 3rd time in four days too.

He just isn't something to screw around with.

[Quatitos]

But it was down last night when it was 3rd time in four days too.

He just isn't something to screw around with.

Oh I wasn't trying to argue anything, just clarifying since there is a difference between second time in three days and fourth time in five days.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Aaron Harang says hello.

[RedsMan3203]

Aaron Harang says hello.

If you are thinking 18, I'm thinking bed....

[Matt700wlw]

Marty says there's a TV shot of Hernandez in Chapman's face a bit "taking him to school"

[RedsMan3203]

Marty says there's a TV shot of Hernandez in Chapman's face a bit "taking him to school"

It was like when you are getting yelled at by your parents.... They are doing all the yelling and you are just staring off into space pissed off.

[reds44]

It was like when you are getting yelled at by your parents.... They are doing all the yelling and you are just staring off into space pissed off.
Perfect description lol

[RedsMan3203]

Annnnnnnnnnnnd.... Cario on deck to pinch hit for Phillips.

[Reds Fanatic]

What is going on tonight now Cairo is on deck to replace Phillips

[reds44]

Annnnnnnnnnnnd.... Cario on deck to pinch hit for Phillips.
HUH?

[Homer Bailey]

Afternoon games in San Diego.... where seasons go to die.

[The Operator]

I loathe San Diego.

[RedsMan3203]

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd Cario replaces Phillips at 2nd.

[RedsMan3203]

Masset back on the bump for the 9th.

[reds44]

wtf happened to Brandon?

[redhawkfish]

I now officially need a drink!


Annnnnnnnnnnnnd Cario replaces Phillips at 2nd.

[reds44]

lol heisey

[RedsMan3203]

HI-C flashes the leather in RF. Saves a double/triple

[Matt700wlw]

Wow. Heisey.

[Reds Fanatic]

Spectacular catch by Heisey!

[Homer Bailey]

What a play by Heisey. Are you kidding meeee...

[RedsMan3203]

wtf happened to Brandon?

No one knows, and he isn't in the dug out....

Maybe the wind was knocked out of him? :confused:

[RedsMan3203]

-- WALK --

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Nick Nibbler.

[reds44]

I smell loss #3 for Masset.

[RedsMan3203]

-- Hit and Run -- Hit well...

1st and 3rd, 1 out....

[OesterPoster]

Masset Fail.

[RedsMan3203]

-- IBB -- Bases will be loaded, 1 out

[LvJ]

Sweet.

[OesterPoster]

Bases loaded. I see a wild pitch or hit batsman coming up.

[RedsMan3203]

-- Baker heads to the mound -- Wonder what he is sayin.... His head is sure bobbin

[CarolinaRedleg]

-- Baker heads to the mound -- Wonder what he is sayin.... His head is sure bobbin

"Now son, you don't want to let my little girl down." :laugh:

I kid.

[reds44]

Nice!

[RedsMan3203]

-- Tapper to 3rd, JF throws home, out -- 2 outs

[edabbs44]

Maybe Masset has under the 85.5 Reds wins in Vegas?

[OesterPoster]

Whew. 1 more.

[WVRedsFan]

Good grief. How many more time?

[RedsMan3203]

-- Single to left, Runner scores -- Game Complete.

Reds 2, Pads 3

Heading home....

[reds44]

4 losses, 3 for Masset.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Gotta love get-away days.

And Nick Nibbler.

[RedsMan3203]

-- Single to left, Runner scores -- Game Complete.

Reds 2, Pads 3

Heading home....

[_Sir_Charles_]

According to Pitch FX he was throwing 91-94. I am officially concerned.

Is Pitch FX a different gun? Or are they using the stadium's gun?

2-2 ballgame. *sigh*

[The Operator]

Hey, look at the bright side. Masset knows Dusty has confidence in him.

He's our setup man, dude. We're gonna need him.

[RedsMan3203]

4 losses, 3 for Masset.

He had a horrible April last year also... He'll work through it......

Just gotta have faith...

[kaldaniels]

Cue up a Massett thread.

[Homer Bailey]

Gotta love get-away days.

And Nick Nibbler.

More like give-away days.

[edabbs44]

Hey, look at the bright side. Masset knows Dusty has confidence in him.

He's our setup man, dude. We're gonna need him.

No offense, but that's crap.

[The Operator]

He had a horrible April last year also... He'll work through it......

Just gotta have faith...Let him work through it in the 6th inning or in blowout games.

He's costing us games right now while Dusty shows confidence in him.

[WVRedsFan]

Well, we need him but if he's not performing, you make other arrangemnents. Four appearances and three losses? That should make him mop-up material for awhile "until he finds himself." or whatever.

[The Operator]

No offense, but that's crap.He's cost us three games, and Dusty still trots him out in tight situations.

I like Dusty, but this is ridiculous. Masset has no business in close games right now.

[edabbs44]

Let him work through it in the 6th inning or in blowout games.

He's costing us games right now while Dusty shows confidence in him.

Dropping him b/c of a few games won't do him any favors.

People wanted Masset banished last year. Stubbs. Bruce. Ramon. You can't treat a ML baseball team like a fantasy roster. Or a video game. Balls are finding holes. He deserves more than 2 weeks.

[The Operator]

Dropping him b/c of a few games won't do him any favors.

People wanted Masset banished last year. Stubbs. Bruce. Ramon. You can't treat a ML baseball team like a fantasy roster. Or a video game. Balls are finding holes. He deserves more than 2 weeks.Nowhere did I say drop him.

I said let him work his problems out somewhere other than the 8th inning. Big difference.

[SirFelixCat]

Nowhere did I say drop him.

I said let him work his problems out somewhere other than the 8th inning. Big difference.

Could not agree more. Not saying he is forever banished from the 8th inning, just until he rights himself.:thumbup:

[WVRedsFan]

It always amazes me that manager-types always think a player is going to play a certain way the next year. Right now, he's struggling, so the prudent thing would be to not put him in situations where he is sure to fail, i.e., close games. And yet because "he is ouir setup man", he gets put in those situations to fail. Let him figure it out and then put him in those close situations. Kind of like "he's our closer." Never understood that and never will. The result is always losses.

[edabbs44]

Nowhere did I say drop him.

I said let him work his problems out somewhere other than the 8th inning. Big difference.

I meant drop him in the pecking order.

[edabbs44]

It always amazes me that manager-types always think a player is going to play a certain way the next year. Right now, he's struggling, so the prudent thing would be to not put him in situations where he is sure to fail, i.e., close games. And yet because "he is ouir setup man", he gets put in those situations to fail. Let him figure it out and then put him in those close situations. Kind of like "he's our closer." Never understood that and never will. The result is always losses.

Except for last year with Masset?

[sivman17]

It always amazes me that manager-types always think a player is going to play a certain way the next year. Right now, he's struggling, so the prudent thing would be to not put him in situations where he is sure to fail, i.e., close games. And yet because "he is ouir setup man", he gets put in those situations to fail. Let him figure it out and then put him in those close situations. Kind of like "he's our closer." Never understood that and never will. The result is always losses.


Very well said. Dusty is willing to fight through multiple losses now so that he has confidence and might be able to pitch effectively later in the season? I don't agree with that. Losses in April count the same as they do in any other month. He can't keep throwing away games like that.

[Cedric]

Very well said. Dusty is willing to fight through multiple losses now so that he has confidence and might be able to pitch effectively later in the season? I don't agree with that. Losses in April count the same as they do in any other month. He can't keep throwing away games like that.

I'm with Dusty on this one. It sure worked last year. We aren't going to win the pennant without Masset.

[The Operator]

I meant drop him in the pecking order.Why should he still be the 8th inning guy right now?

Last year, it took him 6 weeks to get straightened out. I like Masset and I'm sure he's gonna get things together. But I am not okay with him blowing lead after lead right now because Dusty is so dead set on him being the 8th inning man.

If RedsZone has taught me anything, it's that relief pitchers are volatile. The pre-defined role thing, I just don't get it. Very few relievers are lights out all season every season. The mortal types should be ridden while they're hot and not used in close situations when they're not.

[edabbs44]

Very well said. Dusty is willing to fight through multiple losses now so that he has confidence and might be able to pitch effectively later in the season? I don't agree with that. Losses in April count the same as they do in any other month. He can't keep throwing away games like that.

If there was a guarantee that Masset = losses until May 1st, then maybe this would make sense. But is there some sort of guarantee that Masset can not and will not turn it on until next month?

This guy is a key to the bullpen. Not sure you want to mess with him because of a few bad games.

[WVRedsFan]

I'm with Dusty on this one. It sure worked last year. We aren't going to win the pennant without Masset.I think we can win the pennant without Nick Masset. There's enough talent there that no one pitcher will determine that. I know one thing for certain. Putting him in those situations to fail time and time again and we surely won't win a pennant. This is 2011, not 2010 and just because he righted himself last year, it does not mean he will this year.

[Blitz Dorsey]

What was with the whole charade with Chapman? Was he hurt? Why was Ramon getting on his case?

[CTA513]

Who was Baker supposed to go to after Chapman couldn't finish the 8th?
His options were:
Cordero
Masset
Ondrusek
Bray
Maloney

Cordero wasn't going to come in for a 1 2/3rd inning save
Ondruek pitched 1 2/3rd innings the night before
Bray has pitched in 4 of the last 5 days
Maloney... I'm pretty sure everyone would have went nuts if he was the option

[reds44]

LanceMcAlister

"Brandon said he felt something in his leg"......"Ramon told me..."I think somethings wrong (Chapman)....Dusty Baker on FS Ohio postgame

Great

[edabbs44]

LanceMcAlister

"Brandon said he felt something in his leg"......"Ramon told me..."I think somethings wrong (Chapman)....Dusty Baker on FS Ohio postgame

Great

Good times ahead.

[HokieRed]

Masset's failure last night put the pen in the shape it was in tonight and tonight he failed again. Got to do something about him and quick. Move him down in the order and one of the others up--Smith or Ondrusek.

[alloverjr]

Who was Baker supposed to go to after Chapman couldn't finish the 8th?
His options were:
Cordero
Masset
Ondrusek
Bray
Maloney

Cordero wasn't going to come in for a 1 2/3rd inning save
Ondruek pitched 1 2/3rd innings the night before
Bray has pitched in 4 of the last 5 days
Maloney... I'm pretty sure everyone would have went nuts if he was the option

Yikes! Never really gave it too much thought, but that's a pretty crappy bullpen. Thank whomever they don't play in Petco anymore this year.

[traderumor]

This was a bit of an unlucky loss. We lost 1 run for sure, potentially more with the lovely "lets reward the pitcher because the ball bounces out of the park" ground rule double rule on Heisey's RBI triple, oh wait, it was only a double because even though the runners could have crawled to the next base.

Votto's double would have been out of the Grand Canyon, but not Petco Park, so another sure run was stranded.

The Masset deal is tiresome, it seems to be an obvious "dude, trust your stuff and quit nibbling" but I think that is just the approach he is going to use, so he will walk folks or get behind and then get lit up on hitter's counts.

[GAC]

I think we can win the pennant without Nick Masset. There's enough talent there that no one pitcher will determine that. I know one thing for certain. Putting him in those situations to fail time and time again and we surely won't win a pennant. This is 2011, not 2010 and just because he righted himself last year, it does not mean he will this year.

So are you advocating dumping him after 12 games? Sure, it's not good seeing the way he has started out, but that's kind of rash isn't it? Masset has started out like this before and turned it around.