Reds @ Cardinals Round 1: 4/22/11

[reds44]

Stubbs
Phillips
Votto
Gomes
Bruce
Renteria
Cairo
Hernandez
Volquez

[medford]

No Rolen?

[reds44]

No Rolen?
Day game tomorrow, night game Sunday, he'll be in there the next two days.

[medford]

He had yesterday off. It seems like the kind of series that you'd want him out there every day.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Will the weather hold up for tonights game? Looked at doppler, doesn't look great.

[Ron Madden]

Scott Rolen has a sore shoulder it's led to neck and back pain as well.

[_Sir_Charles_]

For those outside the Cincy area.....

Game 1: On MLB Network
Game 2: On Fox
Game 3: On ESPN

:O) I think the media is expecting something to happen.

[Red in Chicago]

He had yesterday off. It seems like the kind of series that you'd want him out there every day.

He hasn't really done much the last week, so getting some extra time off is for the best.

[Matt700wlw]

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[MikeThierry]

Cardinals:

Theriot
Rasmus
Pujols
Holliday
Berkman
Freese
Molina
Descalso
McClellan

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Any word on the status of this game? The radar looks brutal right now and they're calling for severe weather tonight.

Perhaps not the best night for a Volquez start. Being down 4-0 with a threat of a 5-inning weather-shortened game isn't something I look forward to.

[MikeThierry]

Looking at the radar, it looks like the game might be delayed some but the line of thunderstorms is thin so I think they will get the game in tonight.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Gameday just switched McClellan to Miguel Batista. I wonder what's up.

ESPN has switched it to Batista too.

[kbrake]

TLR out thinking the world that's whats up.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gameday just switched McClellan to Miguel Batista. I wonder what's up.

ESPN has switched it to Batista too.

Welsh and Brantley said this may be a move LaRussa made because he does not want to waste a starter on a game that may be delayed after an inning or 2.

[MikeThierry]

This is actually a very smart move by TLR. Its not that McClellan is injured, he just doesn't want McClellan to start and then going in for a long delay. There is about a 100% chance this game is going to be delayed early so it makes absolute sense to start the long man in the bullpen.

[Reds Fanatic]

They are some big storms just west of St. Louis. This game may start on time but it won't go very long until a delay based on that radar.

[MikeThierry]

Yeah Reds it does look bad. However it looks like it might last just one or two hours. If that is the case, this game is going to be played.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Then let's pound Batista early and get in 5. :O)

[reds44]

Maybe LaRussa is just planning for Bautista to drill Phillips and get tossed.

[kbrake]

Maybe LaRussa is just planning for Bautista to drill Phillips and get tossed.

Not going to lie that was my first thought haha.

[reds44]

LOL WHO JUST HEARD THE MCLELLAN OPENING ON MLB NETWORK?! That was unintentionally hilarious and embarrassing for the Cardinals.

[kaldaniels]

LOL WHO JUST HEARD THE MCLELLAN OPENING ON MLB NETWORK?! That was unintentionally hilarious and embarrassing for the Cardinals.

Do tell.

[reds44]

Do tell.
They had him do a voice over about how big of a series this is and how they're coming for the Reds title and all of this. I literally lol'd when I heard it.

[kaldaniels]

I want this move by TLR to blow up so badly...

[reds44]

Good start!

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs with a 4 pitch walk.

[GAC]

So instead of risk wasting a starter, he's going to possibly waste his BP?

[Tornon]

That wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it'd be

[_Sir_Charles_]

Boobirds out. No shin tap.

Rain here.

[reds44]

LOL that was a strike?!

[kaldaniels]

EV might not throw a pitch till after delay.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rain is starting. So far Bautista has not come near the strike zone.

[traderumor]

Tony LaRussa now smarter than the weather. He just can't be stopped, he is Tony LaRussa, Super Genius. Buck Showalter is jealous right now.

[reds44]

If it's going to rain, do it before Volquez starts pitching.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs steals 2nd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Tarp coming.

[GAC]

clearing the field

[reds44]

Well that couldn't have gone much better for us.

[Reds Fanatic]

We get 6 pitches in and now a delay. This whole weekend is going to be a mess weather wise.

[GAC]

Man! It's coming down hard

[Oxilon]

Good thing they didn't delay the game before the first pitch!

[reds44]

You want to talk about over managing, woudl Mcllelan really have been done after 5 pitches?

[Reds Fanatic]

There are tornado watches out for the St. Louis area for the next few hours.

[kaldaniels]

So say TLR had gone with McClellan...and we have a 1.5 hour delay...would he have been able to come back out after just 6 pitches or so?

[CTA513]

Good thing they didn't delay the game before the first pitch!

:beerme:

[Oxilon]

Seriously, is that a record? 6 pitches and than they call a delay?

[edabbs44]

Well that was poorly done.

[edabbs44]

You want to talk about over managing, woudl Mcllelan really have been done after 5 pitches?

Fairly certain that the 5 pitch delay wasn't known to anyone pre-game.

[reds44]

Fairly certain that the 5 pitch delay wasn't known to anyone pre-game.
They knew it was going to happen early.

[GAC]

Could be a long delay

http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/62899

[reds44]

Maybe warming up twice will help EV in the first.

[*BaseClogger*]

Maybe warming up twice will help EV in the first.

:thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

Here is the radar this is going to last awhile:

http://i.imwx.com//web/radar/us_stl_closeradar_plus_usen.jpg

[MikeThierry]

You want to talk about over managing, woudl Mcllelan really have been done after 5 pitches?

I would much rather have the long man in the Cards rotation, who didn't see much action this week to begin with, rather than having McClellan wait for 2 hours and go back out.

Eliminating Bautista doesn't hurt the bullpen much considering that the Cards have something like 13 pitchers on their 25 man roster.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Why start this game at all? They couldn't tell that the rain line was less than a mile away? Awful

[reds44]

I would much rather have the long man in the Cards rotation, who didn't see much action this week to begin with, rather than having McClellan wait for 2 hours and go back out.

Eliminating Bautista doesn't hurt the bullpen much considering that the Cards have something like 13 pitchers on their 25 man roster.
He threw 6 pitches. I would assume McClellan will be out there when the game resumes.

You just blew a pitcher for nothing. It probably won't matter, but it was still over managing.

[redsfaninbsg]

Who decides if a game starts? I know it's in the umpires hands once it starts, but I always thought the home team decided if/when the game started.

[MikeThierry]

He threw 6 pitches. I would assume McClellan will be out there when the game resumes.

You just blew a pitcher for nothing. It probably won't matter, but it was still over managing.

I understand what you are saying but I just don't like having a starting pitcher throwing 50 warm up pitches, throwing 6 in the game, coming back two hours later and throwing 25-50 more warm up pitches. This is esp. true for a guy like McClellan who they are trying to ease into the starting role from being a bullpen guy a year ago.

Plus, as I said, Bautista didn't see much work this week and this sort of stuff is the reason why the Cards got him in the first place.

[reds44]

He still hasn't seen much work.

[MikeThierry]

Plus with Lohse throwing a complete game yesterday, the Cards have enough in the bullpen that Bautista can be used like this.

[MattyHo4Life]

They had him do a voice over about how big of a series this is and how they're coming for the Reds title and all of this. I literally lol'd when I heard it.

I heard it, but I don't understand why it was embarrasing for the Cardinals. I think Cardinals fans and Cardinals players hold the Reds in a higher regard than a lot of Reds fans do. The Reds are the defending NL Central Champs, all NL Central teams should be gunning for them.

[reds44]

I heard it, but I don't understand why it was embarrasing for the Cardinals. I think Cardinals fans and Cardinals players hold the Reds in a higher regard than a lot of Reds fans do. The Reds are the defending NL Central Champs, all NL Central teams should be gunning for them.
It was hilariously bad. That was something the Pirates should be doing.

[MattyHo4Life]

He threw 6 pitches. I would assume McClellan will be out there when the game resumes.

You just blew a pitcher for nothing. It probably won't matter, but it was still over managing.

I think TLR has been planning this move ever since he heard the weather report. That's probably why he didn't name a starter for Sunday. This way, McClellan can pitch on Sat and Carp can pitch on Sun. I'm just making guesses, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens. I was wondering how he would get out of having Westbrook start on Sunday.

[MattyHo4Life]

It was hilariously bad. That was something the Pirates should be doing.

ok lol i thought it was funny, but that was just me. :laugh:

[puca]

Not a big LaRussa fan by any means, but I thought it was a rather smart move on his part.

[reds44]

They just showed the Ballpark on MLB Network, it looks like it's pouring there.

Sarcasm.

[MikeThierry]

I think there are some sirens going off right now.

[edabbs44]

I think there are some sirens going off right now.

Did TLR get behind the wheel?

[Tom Servo]

Did TLR get behind the wheel?
He was Leake's get-away driver. :lol:

[traderumor]

I think TLR has been planning this move ever since he heard the weather report. That's probably why he didn't name a starter for Sunday. This way, McClellan can pitch on Sat and Carp can pitch on Sun. I'm just making guesses, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens. I was wondering how he would get out of having Westbrook start on Sunday.
He's been planning this move since the offseason. That's how far ahead he is of everyone else. He knew it would rain today and set his rotation for it about January. Then, he listed McClellan, snookering Dusty into having his hitters go over McClellan scouting reports. Then, he had someone stand in front of Batista as he warmed up so no one would know until he took the mound at game time.

[reds44]

Prediction: Volquez drills somebody early on (on accident, we all know he has no idea where the ball is going), and LaRussa and the Cardinals cry about it.

[reds44]

He's been planning this move since the offseason. That's how far ahead he is of everyone else. He knew it would rain today and set his rotation for it about January. Then, he listed McClellan, snookering Dusty into having his hitters go over McClellan scouting reports. Then, he had someone stand in front of Batista as he warmed up so no one would know until he took the mound at game time.
Go Cards!

[MikeThierry]

mehh... I guess I'll go watch some NHL playoffs until this game starts.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Tonight is a great example of why I love the MLB network. Game's in a rain delay, and we get the Rockies & Marlins while we wait. Sanchez with a gem going.

[MikeThierry]

My god... is Noah around? My electricity is flickering on and off while there is epic rain out there. This is fun stuff.

[reds44]

We got a no hitter alert in Florida.

And the Knicks still suck.

[Reds Fanatic]

There is now a tornado warning for the St. Louis area for about the next 45 minutes.

[_Sir_Charles_]

MLB stat question of the night. Why is it when a pitcher has gone 6.2 innings it's designated as 6 point 2 when in actuality it's 6 2/3 (or 6.67). Just one of those things that annoys me with stats. It's right up there with a pitcher getting an UN-earned run when it was HIS error that triggered it.

Maybe top-notch banana phone topics. :O)

[Chip R]

Who decides if a game starts? I know it's in the umpires hands once it starts, but I always thought the home team decided if/when the game started.

That's right. Up till the 1st pitch, it's up to the home team. After that, it's up to the umps.

[GAC]

You just blew a pitcher for nothing. It probably won't matter, but it was still over managing.

How is it over managing when he had to have a pitcher out there regardless? Would you rather waste a BP guy then a starter?

And is he really wasted after only 6 pitches?

[BCubb2003]

MLB stat question of the night. Why is it when a pitcher has gone 6.2 innings it's designated as 6 point 2 when in actuality it's 6 2/3 (or 6.67). Just one of those things that annoys me with stats. It's right up there with a pitcher getting an UN-earned run when it was HIS error that triggered it.

Maybe top-notch banana phone topics. :O)

It's a base-three counting system. Because if it's an earned run against the pitcher, it would be an earned run for the offense, and the offense didn't earn it.

[reds44]

How is it over managing when he had to have a pitcher out there regardless? Would you rather waste a BP guy then a starter?

And is he really wasted after only 6 pitches?
If this game starts, McClellan will be in. So yes, he is.

[reds44]

I love my new name #BooPhillips but Honestly, that was the weakest Booooooo's I've ever heard! Y'all can't even "Boo" properly! Come on STL

lol

[MikeThierry]

Again, I might agree with you if the Cards bullpen was short or was on very little rest. However, TLR carries an extra bullpen guy, sacrificing bench players, on his roster all the time and the bullpen was not worked at all yesterday. Using Bautista isn't going to win or lose the game for the Cardinals.

[GAC]

If this game starts, McClellan will be in. So yes, he is.

How do you know it will be McClellan when there is a restart?

[MikeThierry]

How do you know it will be McClellan when there is a restart?

Because the Cards were saving McClellan for after the rain delay. It was clear this was going to be a delayed game.

[reds44]

How do you know it will be McClellan when there is a restart?
Because the entire point of LaRussa doing this was to "save" him in case of a rain delay?

[Reds Fanatic]

Anibal Sanchez now with a no-hitter through 8 against the Rockies.

[MattyHo4Life]

They just spotted a tornado just north of the city of St. Louis.

[reds44]

They just spotted a tornado just north of the city of St. Louis.
It's ugly there right now, but once it passes we should have baseball.

[MattyHo4Life]

Because the entire point of LaRussa doing this was to "save" him in case of a rain delay?

There is a good chance they don't play this game. Even if they do, Batasta probably wasn't going to pitch later in the game anyways. He isn't one of the better relievers on the team.

[Reds Fanatic]

They just spotted a tornado just north of the city of St. Louis.

There is covering the tornado in the St. Louis area on the weather channnel right now

[edabbs44]

There is covering the tornado in the St. Louis area on the weather channnel right now

Looks crazy. Sounds like there is going to be serious damage, not good.

[MikeThierry]

It looks like things should be clear within 45 minutes.

[Tommyjohn25]

It looks like things should be clear within 45 minutes.

Thanks for the updates! :thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

There headed into the 9th on Sanchez's no hitter bid in Florida

[blumj]

Anibal Sanchez now with a no-hitter through 8 against the Rockies.

Aren't you supposed to say he's not doing anything special or he has a "thing" or a "whatnot" or something like that?

[MikeThierry]

gahh... I can't see this game. They are showing the Brewers and Astros

[reds44]

A real screamer breaks up the no no.

[MikeThierry]

Aren't you supposed to say he's not doing anything special or he has a "thing" or a "whatnot" or something like that?

nahh... that only works if you are announcing the game. :D

[blumj]

See?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Shame. How many guys have thrown TWO no-no's? I'm assuming that list is pretty small.

[Reds Fanatic]

Fowler breaks it up on a single to right on the 115th pitch of the night by Sanchez

[MikeThierry]

People probably don't care here but I swear this has been the craziest NHL playoffs I have seen in recent memory. I have never seen so many comebacks. Philly down 0-3 just tied it. Crazy.

[blumj]

Shame. How many guys have thrown TWO no-no's? I'm assuming that list is pretty small.
Nomo threw 2 no-no's. :laugh:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Aren't you supposed to say he's not doing anything special or he has a "thing" or a "whatnot" or something like that?

Yeah, that's why I said he's got a "gem" going earlier. Didn't want to jinx it. But once 44 said it, the cat was out of the bag.

[reds44]

People probably don't care here but I swear this has been the craziest NHL playoffs I have seen in recent memory. I have never seen so many comebacks. Philly down 0-3 just tied it. Crazy.
Hoping the Hawks can pull of a miracle vs. the Canucks.

[harangatang]

There's 2 storms with spotted tornadoes on them. The northern one had a debris ball on RADAR which means RADAR was picking up debris in the air. Both of those storms will likely be rated strong tornadoes. My thoughts and prayers are with the people of St Louis tonight.

[reds44]

johnfayman

Tornado warming. Headed to stairwell. #reds

RU ROH

[MikeThierry]

Hoping the Hawks can pull of a miracle vs. the Canucks.

While I hate the Hawks and esp. the Red Wings, it would be kind of cool to see the Hawks pull that one off. I can't seem to think who I hate more; the hawks or the Sedin sisters?

[MattyHo4Life]

Because the entire point of LaRussa doing this was to "save" him in case of a rain delay?

I don't understand why you think this was a bad move? Why waste a starter for only "6 pitches"?

[reds44]

I don't understand why you think this was a bad move? Why waste a starter for only "6 pitches"?
A starter can't go back in after throwing 6 pitches?

[Tornon]

Shame. How many guys have thrown TWO no-no's? I'm assuming that list is pretty small.

Halladay did it last year. Buerhle has also done it the past few years

[MikeThierry]

A starter can't go back in after throwing 6 pitches?

I think its a bit risky after a long break, esp for a guy just getting acclimated to the starting rotation from being a bullpen guy last year.

[MattyHo4Life]

A starter can't go back in after throwing 6 pitches?

Probably not after a long rain delay.

[reds44]

Probably not after a long rain delay.
Must be how they roll in St. Louis.

[_Sir_Charles_]

A starter can't go back in after throwing 6 pitches?

It's not "just 6 pitches". You've got to count in all the warmup tosses BEFORE and AFTER the rain delay. Not to mention the fact that you warm up, get loose and then sit...tighten up and have to do it all over again. That's how guys get hurt. It's not about the amount of work.

[reds44]

It's not "just 6 pitches". You've got to count in all the warmup tosses BEFORE and AFTER the rain delay. Not to mention the fact that you warm up, get loose and then sit...tighten up and have to do it all over again. That's how guys get hurt. It's not about the amount of work.
Volquez did all of that and I guarantee you he'll be on the mound after the delay. It was just 6 pitches.

[MikeThierry]

haha, I love how announcers kind of tip toe around a situation where a dude gets hit straight in the nuts. Someone just got hit hard by a hockey stick in the nuts and the announcers were like "hm...its a bit unclear where he got hit". They do this in every sport. Kind of comical.

[reds44]

haha, I love how announcers kind of tip toe around a situation where a dude gets hit straight in the nuts. Someone just got hit hard by a hockey stick in the nuts and the announcers were like "hm...its a bit unclear where he got hit". They do this in every sport. Kind of comical.

YouTube - Chicago Blackhawks - Pat Foley and Dale Tallon - "Wee Knee" comment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwuUzSZfQ4k)

[_Sir_Charles_]

Volquez did all of that and I guarantee you he'll be on the mound after the delay. It was just 6 pitches.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. And another part of it is how hard you pushed in your warmup tosses. Were you throwing 50% or 90%?

[MikeThierry]

YouTube - Chicago Blackhawks - Pat Foley and Dale Tallon - "Wee Knee" comment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwuUzSZfQ4k)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is classic :)

[reds44]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. And another part of it is how hard you pushed in your warmup tosses. Were you throwing 50% or 90%?
Knowing Volquez, it was probably 3% lol

[reds44]

johnfayman

Grounds crew coming out. #reds

boom

[MikeThierry]

"There goes his broadcasting career, his voice went up a couple of octaves"

:laugh::lol:

[reds44]

johnfayman

Tarp coming off. I need a large ice tea. Getting sleepy. #reds

Jesus Fay it's 9:00.

[reds44]

Pitch #7 will come at 10:30 et/9:30 local time.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Play ball! (Well, in a half-hour.)

[Reds Fanatic]

Tarp is coming off now.

[Kc61]

Think Volquez has had enough time to get ready for the first inning?

[_Sir_Charles_]

21 pitchers have thrown 2 no hitters
3 more have thrown 3 no-no's
Koufax threw 4
And then there's Nolan. Seven. Now THAT's a record that'll never be touched.

Sanchez's bid got me curious.

[kaldaniels]

Maybe this game will turn out like a another Reds game say 25 years or so ago, where there was a 2+ hour rain delay before the Reds starter threw a pitch. ;)

[_Sir_Charles_]

Gallardo just went yard.

[kaldaniels]

Maloney warming up.

[reds44]

Maloney warming up.
Oh this should be fun. :thumbdown:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Maloney warming up.

I kinda figured. That tells me that Edinson was completely warmed up before the delay.

[Tornon]

So its gonna be McClellan - Maloney?

[reds44]

So its gonna be McClellan - Maloney?
So it's gonna be a loss.

[Hoosier Red]

Advantage TLR that's for sure.

[reds44]

Advantage TLR that's for sure.
Yep.

/does180fromwhatisaidtwopagesago

[Tornon]

So we'd hit for the pitcher in the 1st if we bat around. I wonder if that's happened before

[redsfaninbsg]

I wonder who starts tomorrow now?

[Tommyjohn25]

I will wait for the game to play out before I declare this a loss. The Cards are hot, but c'mon, they're not invincible.

[reds44]

This is an even better example of why having Maloney up here instead of Willis still is dumb.

[Tornon]

I wonder who starts tomorrow now?

I think it's still Carpenter - Wood

[kbrake]

Matt Maloney vs. the Cards not exactly what I had in mind for tonight.

[MikeThierry]

Matt Maloney vs. the Cards not exactly what I had in mind for tonight.

This is exactly why having the long man in the rotation start the game was a good idea for the Cards. People may hate TLR but the dude knows what he is doing, even with that horrible eye infection.

[redsfaninbsg]

I think it's still Carpenter - Wood

So, Volquez just gets totally skipped?

[_Sir_Charles_]

People are acting like Maloney is chopped liver. He's thrown some solid games before. Before he throws a pitch is a bit early to call this outing a bust for him...but as long as people get to complain and moan...it's all good. And it's the Cards that are the whiners? M'kay.

[reds44]

This is exactly why having the long man in the rotation start the game was a good idea for the Cards. People may hate TLR but the dude knows what he is doing, even with that horrible eye infection.
I didn't think there was a prayer Volquez wouldn't start.

Pulling your starter before he ever throws a pitch is one of the dumbest moves in managerial history. It goes right up there with pitching for Josh Hamilton with Juan Castro.

[edabbs44]

Matt Maloney vs. the Cards not exactly what I had in mind for tonight.

One thing it does is neutralize Berkman.

[Tommyjohn25]

People are acting like Maloney is chopped liver. He's thrown some solid games before. Before he throws a pitch is a bit early to call this outing a bust for him...but as long as people get to complain and moan...it's all good. And it's the Cards that are the whiners? M'kay.

This.

[edabbs44]

I didn't think there was a prayer Volquez wouldn't start.

Pulling your starter before he ever throws a pitch is one of the dumbest moves in managerial history. It goes right up there with pitching for Josh Hamilton with Juan Castro.

I am still not getting your logic.

[reds44]

People are acting like Maloney is chopped liver. He's thrown some solid games before. Before he throws a pitch is a bit early to call this outing a bust for him...but as long as people get to complain and moan...it's all good. And it's the Cards that are the whiners? M'kay.
Go Cards!

[Tornon]

So, Volquez just gets totally skipped?

I think we might see him bump LeCure on Sunday

[reds44]

I am still not getting your logic.
What's there not to get? Relievers get warm, sit down, get warm again, sit down, get warm again. Ever notice a Reds game late when it's tied. Cordero gets up and down literally every inning.

He didn't throw a pitch. Not to metion the fact Dusty knew the weather report too. Anyway you slice it it's awful.

[Blitz Dorsey]

For those not watching tonight, Welsh is the PBP man and Brantley is doing color. Welsh is a complete disaster doing PBP ... almost as bad as Brantley on radio.

[Reds Fanatic]

So, Volquez just gets totally skipped?

I think you will see Volquez sometime the next few days. Keep in mind the forecast is bad the next 2 days this is probably not the last long delay we will see this weekend.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I am still not getting your logic.

Me either. The guy is still working his way back from TJ surgery and you want to risk an injury for him in this risky situation. Warm up, cool down, warm up. Not a good idea AT ALL.

[Tommyjohn25]

I didn't think there was a prayer Volquez wouldn't start.

Pulling your starter before he ever throws a pitch is one of the dumbest moves in managerial history. It goes right up there with pitching for Josh Hamilton with Juan Castro.

C'mon man. That's a bit of hyperbole. I usually agree with most of what you say but I think you're being a bit knee-jerk here. Maybe Volquez told Baker he wasn't feeling after the delay. One never knows. It already happened with Bruce this year when everyone was freaking out about him getting the day off after he had a decent game, then it turned out his groin was hurting.

[kaldaniels]

I think we might see him bump LeCure on Sunday

I'll get torn up for saying this. But thats fine with me. For the first Reds regular season truly national broadcast in years, Sam LeCure isn't really the guy I wanted to go out there. He's been great, but I just don't think he is sustainable and is due to be roughed up. (Cue the "EV is going to embarrass the Reds Sunday night even worse" type remarks.)

[Blitz Dorsey]

Absolutely stupid decision to not pitch Volquez. Maybe it took something like this for him to finally have a good first inning. Plus this makes LaRussa look smart which makes it even worse.

[reds44]

C'mon man. That's a bit of hyperbole. I usually agree with most of what you say but I think you're being a bit knee-jerk here. Maybe Volquez told Baker he wasn't feeling after the delay. One never knows. It already happened with Bruce this year when everyone was freaking out about him getting the day off after he had a decent game, then it turned out his groin was hurting.
I was not freaking out about that, but this is bad bad bad. And maybe I'm overreacting because it's the Cardinals, but this has like a 10-3 loss written all over it.

I hope I'm wrong. I guess we'll find out.

[reds44]

Absolutely stupid decision to not pitch Volquez. Maybe it took something like this for him to finally have a good first inning. Plus this makes LaRussa look smart which makes it even worse.
Holy crap we agree!

[Tornon]

I'll get torn up for saying this. But thats fine with me. For the first Reds regular season truly national broadcast in years, Sam LeCure isn't really the guy I wanted to go out there. He's been great, but I just don't think he is sustainable and is due to be roughed up. (Cue the "EV is going to embarrass the Reds Sunday night even worse" type remarks.)

Yeah, because we all know how the first nationally televised Reds playoff game in years went with Volquez pitching :p

[_Sir_Charles_]

What's there not to get? Relievers get warm, sit down, get warm again, sit down, get warm again. Ever notice a Reds game late when it's tied. Cordero gets up and down literally every inning.

He didn't throw a pitch. Not to metion the fact Dusty knew the weather report too. Anyway you slice it it's awful.

You said it yourself. RELIEVERS. They've trained their arms to get used to that sort of thing. Plus, throw in the TJ factor and risking that is just stupid. Not only is it a good move by Dusty...it's the only responsible one.

[Blitz Dorsey]

So now the Cards have their regular starter on the hill and we're left with Matt Maloney as our starter. Nice.

[MasonBuzz3]

So Maloney pitches the 1st inning for Volquez, and then Volquez takes over in the 2nd...brilliant

[Reds Fanatic]

McLellan in to pitch as we get started again.

[TOBTTReds]

How do we know what is dumb or not? Maybe Volquez said he couldn't get loose again. It can't be compared to relievers.

[reds44]

How do we know what is dumb or not? Maybe Volquez said he couldn't get loose again. It can't be compared to relievers.
Volquez didn't try to get loose.

[Reds Fanatic]

About a 2 hour 10 minute delay

[kaldaniels]

Yeah, because we all know how the first nationally televised Reds playoff game in years went with Volquez pitching :p

What can I say, I set myself up for that...but it's still my feeling.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Good job BP.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to 2nd. Stubbs to 3rd.

[reds44]

Nice best fans in baseball!

Phillips gets the job done and the Cardinals fans love it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto strikes out swinging on a foul tip. 2 outs.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Well, so much for getting on the board early.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Joey's funky swing of the night. K.

[reds44]

Johnny Gomes of the .996 OPS variety is off to a "slow start" according to the Cardinals.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gomes flies out to center. 0-0 mid 1st.

[MikeThierry]

Johnny Gomes of the .996 OPS variety is off to a "slow start" according to the Cardinals.

mehh... I would turn down your volume. Even Cards fans can't stand these guys. Its a bit better with Dan McGaulin announcing but he is off tonight for some reason.

[MattyHo4Life]

What's there not to get? Relievers get warm, sit down, get warm again, sit down, get warm again. Ever notice a Reds game late when it's tied. Cordero gets up and down literally every inning.

He didn't throw a pitch. Not to metion the fact Dusty knew the weather report too. Anyway you slice it it's awful.

Both Dusty and LaRussa knew the weather report. LaRussa decided to save his Starting Pitcher, and Dusty didn't. I don't see how LaRussa made a bad move when he still has his starter. A lot of times when a starting pitcher warms up, and there is a rain delay, he doesn't go back out there.

[redsfaninbsg]

Words can not describe how I feel about Dusty.

[Danny Serafini]

Guess that weather was nasty, just got this news alert sent to me:

Storm damages terminal and one concourse at Lambert-St. Louis airport, spokesman says. Some injuries reported.

[reds44]

Both Dusty and LaRussa knew the weather report. LaRussa decided to save his Starting Pitcher, and Dusty didn't. I don't see how LaRussa made a bad move when he still has his starter. A lot of times when a starting pitcher warms up, and there is a rain delay, he doesn't go back out there.
Thanks I already said that.

[Kc61]

I have confidence in Maloney.

He's going to pitch the game of his career tonight.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I think I'm out. I can already forsee how negative this thread is going to go. Matt's now thrown 2 pitches and people are already slamming Dusty. I think I'll just watch and enjoy the game.

[Reds Fanatic]

Theriot singles to left

[reds44]

Good start.

[MattyHo4Life]

Guess that weather was nasty, just got this news alert sent to me:

Storm damages terminal and one concourse at Lambert-St. Louis airport, spokesman says. Some injuries reported.

I think they shut the airport down. On the news, they showed a picture of one of the airport vehichles flipped over.

[GADawg]

how do the Cards always manage to come up with a little lefty obnoxious center fielder for me to despise?

[reds44]

Dusty, Dusty, Dusty!!

[forfreelin04]

I have confidence in Maloney.

He's going to pitch the game of his career tonight.

I love your optimism, but he doesn't have a strikeout pitch. Nor does he hit spots. If he gets out of the first without any runs, I'll be shocked.

I agree with the Cards posters. Tony's move was spot on.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rasmus lines a single to center. 1st and 3rd.

[Blitz Dorsey]

What is it with baseball players trying to look ugly? Rasmus, Volquez, LeCure ... it's like these guys want to look like idiots.

BTW, Maloney is not good. This will not be pretty.

[redsfaninbsg]

Twice in one week that Dusty has really put a hurting on this team.

[kbrake]

Good start.

No whining.

If Volquez were doing this there would already be 30 post whining but that doesn't matter.

[reds44]

No whining.

If Volquez were doing this there would already be 30 post whining but that doesn't matter.
Maybe I should bump a Volquez thread!

[Blitz Dorsey]

Dusty is old-school. He doesn't look at weather radars.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Horrible throw by Stubbs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pujols sac fly to center. 1-0 Cards.

[reds44]

So who is supposed to be covering first there? Phillips?

[GADawg]

if you can't throw someone out from there you ain't throwing 'em out from anywhere

[redsfaninbsg]

How many games is this in a row where the Reds have fallen behind?

[Reds Fanatic]

Holliday singles to left. 1st and 2nd.

[mattfeet]

Ugh.

[Blitz Dorsey]

if you can't throw someone out from there you ain't throwing 'em out from anywhere

That was embarrassingly bad. Maybe it was a wet-field thing. From short centerfield, he shorthopped the cutoff man. Wow. Maybe he never got a grip on the ball. Let's hope. I know he's got a much better arm than that.

[Reds Fanatic]

This is one of those nights that no matter how ugly this may get Maloney is going to have to stay out there to take a beating to try to save the bullpen.

[reds44]

JimDayTV

Starting the game as they did in STL, changing pitchers last mimute was one of the dirtiest moves I've ever seen in baseball. Bush league!


Something we don't know is going on...

[Blitz Dorsey]

To answer a previous question ... yeah, Maloney kind of is chopped liver. He's a below-average MLB pitcher. By definition, that's "chopped liver." ;-)

[reds44]

To answer a previous question ... yeah, Maloney kind of is chopped liver. He's a below-average MLB pitcher. By definition, that's "chopped liver." ;-)
No whining! Cardinals fan.

[Tornon]

Maybe LeCure can take on some innings tonight if we let Volquez pitch Sunday

[Reds Fanatic]

Berkman lines out to center.

[reds44]

JimDayTV

The Cardinals should be ashamed of themselves. I guarantee that bush league crap would never happen in Cincinnati! #shameful

[Blitz Dorsey]

No whining! Cardinals fan.

?

[OesterPoster]

Lance McCallister has been tweeting the same stuff, calling it complete bush league at Busch Stadium.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Tony LaRussa being accused of acting like a piece of crap? No way!

[reds44]

?
Was a joke my friend.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Was a joke my friend.

I know, I just didn't get it.

[reds44]

Renteria was running in quick sand.

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit as Renteria's throw to first is low and Freese beats it. Bases loaded.

[mattfeet]

Janish makes that play...

-Matt

[GADawg]

i've always like Renteria but he's lost more than just a step

[Ron Madden]

Janish is 5 times better than Renteria at SS.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Did someone tell Maloney he had to pitch like Volquez in the first inning? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

[durl]

Renteria showed the difference between his arm and Janish's.

[MattyHo4Life]

JimDayTV

Starting the game as they did in STL, changing pitchers last mimute was one of the dirtiest moves I've ever seen in baseball. Bush league!


Something we don't know is going on...

Nobody ever said that LaRussa doesn't play dirty. Even LaRussa knows he isn't well liked around the league.

[forfreelin04]

How is it Bush League? Sounds like Tony just paid attention to the weather and got his team in the best position to win this ballgame.

[GADawg]

i'd hit Molina, even forcing in a run, just on principle alone

[reds44]

i'd hit Molina, even forcing in a run, just on principle alone
Yeah that 86 MPH gas will really show him.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Seriously, of all the managers that encouraged PED use from his players, LaRussa would be atop anyone's list as the most-blatant. It's not like he's known as a nice guy around the league.

[Danny Serafini]

How is it Bush League? Sounds like Tony just paid attention to the weather and got his team in the best position to win this ballgame.

Sounds like one of those dreaded unwritten rules to me. I don't get the complaining either.

[Tornon]

How is it Bush League? Sounds like Tony just paid attention to the weather and got his team in the best position to win this ballgame.

I think he's referring to the Cardinals decision to start the game on time even though they knew the rain would be there within minutes

[MattyHo4Life]

How is it Bush League? Sounds like Tony just paid attention to the weather and got his team in the best position to win this ballgame.

Yeah, everyone in St. Louis (and on Redszone) knew the weather was going to be bad.

[mattfeet]

How does Renteria's range compare to oCab's from last year? They seem very similar to me, but Id have to give the nod to oCab from what Ive seen.

-Matt

[Blitz Dorsey]

I don't understand though. How does starting the game affect Volquez since he didn't throw any pitches? He really can't warm up for the game and then come back a couple hours later?

[Reds Fanatic]

Maloney has thrown a lot of pitches already nearing 40 in the first.

[OesterPoster]

Haha. Sit down punk.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Wow. Got out of that with only 1 run? I'll take it.

[reds44]

Sit down neck tats.

That could have been a lot worse.

[mattfeet]

Go Mo!!! HUGE pitch!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Molina strikes out swinging. 1-0 Cards after 1.

[edabbs44]

Maloney is painful to watch. He looks like he should be pitching from behind a cut-out screen.

[Tornon]

No walks at least

[reds44]

I thought there was only one out? Haha.

Shame on me.

[Danny Serafini]

That could've been much worse. I'll take just one run out of that inning.

[reds44]

Maloney is painful to watch. He looks like he should be pitching from behind a cut-out screen.
It's amazing what being left handed can do. Make your kids left handed! haha

[forfreelin04]

I think he's referring to the Cardinals decision to start the game on time even though they knew the rain would be there within minutes

That makes more sense. However, based on that, it allowed for a runner on second with no one out. The Mvp didn't get the job done.