Frazier called up

[sammonator]

Todd Frazier has been called up, will make his MLB debut tonight according to twitter.

[jfleur87]

No corresponding move?

[sammonator]

Have no idea. Just saw this. Congrats to #reds Todd Frazier on promotion to #mlb. Expected to make mlb debut tonight against the #phillies.

http://twitter.com/CAA_Baseball

[mroby85]

So will he be playing LF?

[Red Rover]

I would almost have to guess that Edison V. gets optioned or DL, as his turn in the rotation isn't for another 5 days. At that time Willis will be called up. Frazier will stay on the roster until that time.

Just a thought.

[ntorvik]

too bad he has to go up against the Phillies in his first major league game. He will also be overshadowed by the fact that Chase Utley is coming back for the Phillies.

[redsfan_12]

Can't be any worse than what we have.

[BEETTLEBUG]

Willis not on 40 man

[ErGriff10]

Willis not on 40 man

[malcontent]

Wonder if Frazier ever played SS?

:D

[Krawhitham]

I would almost have to guess that Edison V. gets optioned or DL, as his turn in the rotation isn't for another 5 days. At that time Willis will be called up. Frazier will stay on the roster until that time.

Just a thought.

Willis is not on the 40 man roster, the Reds will have to release someone from the 40 man roster to make room for Willis. Who are you willing to lose for a pitcher that has been horrible for 3 years?

here is the list (and NO they will not release someone from the 25 man roster no matter how bad Gomes and EV have been)

Yonder Alonso
Zack Cozart
Carlos Fisher
Juan Francisco
Todd Frazier
Yasmani Grandal
Jeremy Hermida
Danny Herrera
Mike Leake
Matt Maloney
Kris Negron
Daryl Thompson
Chris Valaika
Philippe Valiquette


and why is Danny Herrera not on the 25 man roster, he has a career 3.64 ERA in 113 games while in the majors

[Kiss the Baby00]

Willis is not on the 40 man roster, the Reds will have to release someone from the 40 man roster to make room for Willis. Who are you willing to lose for a pitcher that has been horrible for 3 years?

here is the list (and NO they will not release someone from the 25 man roster no matter how bad Gomes and EV have been)

Yonder Alonso
Zack Cozart
Carlos Fisher
Juan Francisco
Todd Frazier
Yasmani Grandal
Jeremy Hermida
Danny Herrera
Mike Leake
Matt Maloney
Kris Negron
Daryl Thompson
Chris Valaika
Philippe Valiquette


and why is Danny Herrera not on the 25 man roster, he has a career 3.64 ERA in 113 games while in the majors

DRH is one guy I'd be pumped to never see wear a Reds uni again.

to add, ERA is one indicator of a pitchers success. ERA also has a lot of luck involved. A better indication of his abilities would be his WHIP (1.49) career and BAA .294.

DRH often times would get a runner or two on base and then another RP would come in and bail him out. Not hurting his ERa in the process.

[Krawhitham]

So will he be playing LF?

I assume so

games in the minors


LF 171
1B 57
3B 81
SS 112
2B 37


But why bring someone up before seeing if HI-C or Lewis can do the job

[Red Rover]

Willis is not on the 40 man roster, the Reds will have to release someone from the 40 man roster to make room for Willis. Who are you willing to lose for a pitcher that has been horrible for 3 years?

here is the list (and NO they will not release someone from the 25 man roster no matter how bad Gomes and EV have been)

Yonder Alonso
Zack Cozart
Carlos Fisher
Juan Francisco
Todd Frazier
Yasmani Grandal
Jeremy Hermida
Danny Herrera
Mike Leake
Matt Maloney
Kris Negron
Daryl Thompson
Chris Valaika
Philippe Valiquette


and why is Danny Herrera not on the 25 man roster, he has a career 3.64 ERA in 113 games while in the majors

I never once said that i want Willis on the major league roster, just that this is what I think might happen. But to answer your question, I would dump Hermida, Herrera or Thompson.

[SidneySlicker]

Here's my guess. Edinson down, Lecure to spot start, and Arrendondo to long relief. Thompson gets removed from the 40 man.

[Kiss the Baby00]

I assume so

games in the minors


LF 171
1B 57
3B 81
SS 112
2B 37


But why bring someone up before seeing if HI-C or Lewis can do the job

I think Fraizer is getting the call bc of his versatility. Dusty LOVES guys who he can put in at a couple different positions.

[Krawhitham]

DRH is one guy I'd be pumped to never see wear a Reds uni again.

to add, ERA is one indicator of a pitchers success. ERA also has a lot of luck involved. A better indication of his abilities would be his WHIP (1.49) career and BAA .294.

DRH often times would get a runner or two on base and then another RP would come in and bail him out. Not hurting his ERa in the process.

His BAA & WHIP are horrible but he did strand 77% of inhered runners

Ondrusek strands 73%
Jordan Smith strands 64%
Nick Masset strands 63%

[Krawhitham]

No corresponding move?

John Fay has no idea but posted this



One thing that I thought nothing of yesterday, but now I’m wondering about: Edgar Renteria left right after the game and was not in a suit (required for the team plane). Could be something as simple as him going home to take care of a family matter.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/05/23/corresponding-move/

[Kiss the Baby00]

Maybe he is retiring.

[brm7675]

Maybe he is retiring.

We couldn't be that lucky...but if he is...can he take Gomes with him?

[The DARK]

The strange thing about Frazier getting called up is that he plays so many positions, we have no idea who that someone has to be sent down could be.

It would seem strange to bring Frazier up for something as short as bereavement as well. Chris V could fill in that role without cutting someone from the 40 man...unless Valiquette is headed to the 60-day.

[SidneySlicker]

johnfayman John Fay
I'm told the #Reds won't announce Frazier call-up until the players being sent out is told. Sounds like an option move.

Interesting.

[SidneySlicker]

I still think it's Edinson, but who knows.

[Krawhitham]

johnfayman John Fay
I'm told the #Reds won't announce Frazier call-up until the players being sent out is told. Sounds like an option move.

Interesting.

If it is a option move that rules out Gomes, Renteria, & Lewis none have options

HI-C has options but he is the best PH in baseball

It has to be EV one would think

[SidneySlicker]

My guess is they want to sit down with him and tell him they want him to work on in Louisville and what their expectations of him are before he'll be promoted.

[brm7675]

My guess is they want to sit down with him and tell him they want him to work on in Louisville and what their expectations of him are before he'll be promoted.

"Expectations"?

1. Throw strikes
2. Throw Strikes
3. Stop the walks
4. Prepare yourself better
5. Review points 1 and 2.

[Krawhitham]

To be a fly on the wall

EV gets called into the office

EV we have been thinking and you are correct this team is just not scoring enough runs. So we are going to add someone who is hitting almost .400 that has 11 HR and 33 RBI. But in order to add this player to the team we are sending your ass back to the minors

[The DARK]

Baseless speculation here, but have we ruled out the possibility of a trade yet?

[CySeymour]

To be a fly on the wall

EV gets called into the office

EV we have been thinking and you are correct this team is just not scoring enough runs. So we are going to add someone who is hitting almost .400 that has 11 HR and 33 RBI. But in order to add this player to the team we are sending your ass back to the minors

:thumbup:


Baseless speculation here, but have we ruled out the possibility of a trade yet?

Certainly is possible.

[Krawhitham]

LHP Matt Maloney also being recalled from Louisville. #Reds

http://twitter.com/#!/MisterRedlegs/status/72724022667919360

[Krawhitham]

LHP Matt Maloney also being recalled from Louisville. #Reds

http://twitter.com/#!/MisterRedlegs/status/72724022667919360

I'm guessing Jordan Smith is the other side of that transaction

He has a 7.20 ERA and gave up 4 runs yesterday

[CySeymour]

LHP Matt Maloney also being recalled from Louisville. #Reds

http://twitter.com/#!/MisterRedlegs/status/72724022667919360

Makes some sense, since the bullpen would be spent after the weekend. So that still means 2 players off the current 25 man have to go. Volquez one of them? :dunno:

[SidneySlicker]

johnfayman John Fay
Frazier, Maloney in hotel lobby. Hearing D Ray Herrera claimed off waivers #reds

[The DARK]

It's a little bit creepy that these 2 moves come at the same time as the Bailey/Gomes/PTBNL for Bautista thread in the ORG. Just makes you wonder...

The problem, to me, is that it seems like the trade seems to benefit neither side. The Reds need top of the line starting pitching and cheaper contracts; the Jays need someone with a better track record than Bailey, and certainly someone more valuable than Gomes.

[5TimeWSChamps]

Who would claim the circus midget? Pretty sure I could get a hit off his 79 mph "fastball"

[Krawhitham]

johnfayman John Fay
Frazier, Maloney in hotel lobby. Hearing D Ray Herrera claimed off waivers #reds

No reason for DRH to be on waivers unless Willis is coming up for EV next start

Frazier & Maloney already on the 40 man roster

[5TimeWSChamps]

No reason for DRH to be on waivers unless Willis is coming up for EV next start

Frazier & Maloney already on the 40 man roster

Might as well get Alonzo up now that he's mashing. No chance his D in LF is worse than Gomes

[Krawhitham]

It's a little bit creepy that these 2 moves come at the same time as the Bailey/Gomes/PTBNL for Bautista thread in the ORG. Just makes you wonder...

The problem, to me, is that it seems like the trade seems to benefit neither side. The Reds need top of the line starting pitching and cheaper contracts; the Jays need someone with a better track record than Bailey, and certainly someone more valuable than Gomes.

Bautista is the best hitter in baseball right now and signed to a very good contract

5 years/$65M (2011-15), plus 14M 2016 option

[Cant Touch This]

UGH is my reaction to Maloney. He has never impressed me at either AAA when I watched him pitch with the Bats in Toledo against the Mudhens, or at the MLB level at any time I've seen him pitch. I'm not sure what the powers that be see in him, but they obviously see something.

Prove me wrong, Matty. Please.

[Krawhitham]

Might as well get Alonzo up now that he's mashing. No chance his D in LF is worse than Gomes

Lewis's D is worse than Gomes, so yeah there is a good chance Alonzo's would be worse

[brm7675]

Lewis's D is worse than Gomes, so yeah there is a good chance Alonzo's would be worse

i find that hard to believe...

[5TimeWSChamps]

Rumor is the Brewers claimed DRH

[The DARK]

Bautista is the best hitter in baseball right now and signed to a very good contract

5 years/$65M (2011-15), plus 14M 2016 option

Wow, I thought he was a lot more expensive than that, and had an 8 year contract. My bad. Even so, such a trade feels like the opposite of what both teams need right now.

[5TimeWSChamps]

Make that trade, then package Grandal or Mesoraco/Alonzo/Frazier for King Felix

Championship :)

[Krawhitham]

How many HR would Bautista hit at GABP?

[5TimeWSChamps]

Could you imagine him hitting 3rd in front of Votto.

Good Lord I need to stop thinking about this now

[SidneySlicker]

johnfayman John Fay
On the way to yard, should be an interesting day. Herrera move might mean a trade or Reineke getting added to 40-man. #reds

[Krawhitham]

Make that trade, then package Grandal or Mesoraco/Alonzo/Frazier for King Felix

Championship :)

Bautista guarantees the playoffs

In the playoffs you only need 3 starters

Wood, Arroyo, & Cueto is a good 1-2-3 punch. IF they are on their game

You could leave Chapman in the minors until the end of the season and stretch him back out to start

[Krawhitham]

Brew Crew claimed DRH

[The DARK]

Could you imagine him hitting 3rd in front of Votto.

Good Lord I need to stop thinking about this now

Well, there's no doubt we'd have the best lineup in baseball. 2 MVP candidates (Votto, Bautista), the best 2B in the NL (Phillips), a 30-30 guy (Stubbs), the rising slugger (Bruce), the hottest catcher in baseball and the best backup (Hernanigan) and multiple Gold Glovers of the past and future (Rolen, Janish, Phillips, Bruce). And that's not even counting Mes getting the callup next year.

Our pitching though? Full of holes. Cueto, Arroyo, Wood, Volquez, and Leake/Lecure/Maloney doesn't look nearly as good as it used to.

[5TimeWSChamps]

Well, there's no doubt we'd have the best lineup in baseball. 2 MVP candidates (Votto, Bautista), the best 2B in the NL (Phillips), a 30-30 guy (Stubbs), the rising slugger (Bruce), the hottest catcher in baseball and the best backup (Hernanigan) and multiple Gold Glovers of the past and future (Rolen, Janish, Phillips, Bruce). And that's not even counting Mes getting the callup next year.

Our pitching though? Full of holes. Cueto, Arroyo, Wood, Volquez, and Leake/Lecure/Maloney doesn't look nearly as good as it used to.

It would open up a spot for Chapman to slide into the rotation next year.

Question the team has to answer, is whether this is the new Homer Bailey you are going to see every 5th day, or if he's on a roll like he was at the end of 2009.

His trade value is as high as it's been, however the consistency has NEVER been there with Homer. I'm torn as to what to do, but getting the best player in baseball right now for him, signed to a relatively friendly contract would be too much to pass up.

If this was anyway true, I'd do it in a heartbeat

[The DARK]

If this was anyway true, I'd do it in a heartbeat

Me too, but I doubt it. The Jays are going to want a lot more for their premier slugger that they just signed to a LTC than a streaky, struggling replacement LF and a 4th pitcher with a few good starts under his belt. I wouldn't be surprised if Grandal or Mesoraco is part of such a trade as well.

[5TimeWSChamps]

I just asked Buster on Twitter for clarification regarding this rumor, we'll see if he responds

[KYRedLeg]

Might as well get Alonzo up now that he's mashing. No chance his D in LF is worse than Gomes

Having seen Yonder play LF in Louisville......yes, there is a very good chance. I'd call it a guarantee.

[DocRed]

Something like Bailey, Volquez and Heisey for Bautista would be CLOSER...Toronto would still never do that deal either tho.

[DaytonFlyer]

Why in God's name are we talking about Jose Bautista in this thread? He is as close to untradeable as they get for the Blue Jays. It'd be like us trading Votto.

Why don't we try something novel and stick to discussion about the transaction at hand in this thread instead of random crap that has nothing to do with what is going on today?

[Vottomatic]

I emailed Buster and he told me they are working out the details of the trade still. :laugh:

[KYRedLeg]

Maybe they did trade Votto for Bautista!

;)

[Vottomatic]

Why in God's name are we talking about Jose Bautista in this thread? He is as close to untradeable as they get for the Blue Jays. It'd be like us trading Votto.

Why don't we try something novel and stick to discussion about the transaction at hand in this thread instead of random crap that has nothing to do with what is going on today?

The part that makes me laugh about the proposed Bautista trade is that it starts with Homer Bailey (not a bad get) and then the second player is Gomes. How hilarious is that? :laugh:

[OfficerRodFarva]

Now they are saying that Renteria and Gomes are gone

[KYRedLeg]

"They" being a tweet somebody in tORG reposted? Or somebody a little more official than that?

[Chris Sabowned]

Now they are saying that Renteria and Gomes are gone


If they are both gone there would be no reason to have released Danny Ray Herrera. I think they were saying that Gomes is gone and Renteria is just going on a bereavement.

[texasdave]

"Expectations"?

1. Throw strikes
2. Throw Strikes
3. Stop the walks
4. Prepare yourself better
5. Review points 1 and 2.

6. Don't throw your teammates under the bus.

[SidneySlicker]

Per the Bats radio guy, via the pitching coach Dontrelle Willis is going to the Bats DL.

[brm7675]

Per the Bats radio guy, via the pitching coach Dontrelle Willis is going to the Bats DL.

whew...that removes that temptation from Walt and Dusty at this point to call him up...

[SidneySlicker]

johnfayman John Fay
Volquez just called into Baker's office. JSmith just came out. #reds

[Krawhitham]

selfdelete

[5TimeWSChamps]

Can't say I'm surprised by either of those moves....guessing we'll see the coresponding roster move in 5 days

[Krawhitham]

the Reds created a lot of excitement today for some crap moves if it turns out to be JS & EV

[The DARK]

I dunno... there seems to be some serious restructuring going on here. Gomes may not be in the clear yet.

[KYRedLeg]

Two pitchers down for one up and a position player...when EV's rotation spot comes back around, you would think a PP is going to have to take the bullet.

And what's going on with the Renteria talk, I wonder. I'd be happy to see him go. Bad offense (admittedly, with a few very well timed hits), sorely lacking defense, and not a team player.

[RedsFan_26]

This is from Reds Rumors- MLBTRADERUMORS.COM(Facebook page):

"Also, Todd Frazier and Matt Maloney were called up. The corresponding moves haven't been announced, but an UNRELIABLE source claims that Gomes has been released and Renteria is on the bereavement list. I find it hard to believe that 2 roster spots would be cleared without adding anyone for a call-up. However, Renteria to the bereavement list would make sense due to his attire as he left the team hotel"

[brm7675]

This is from Reds Rumors- MLBTRADERUMORS.COM(Facebook page):

"Also, Todd Frazier and Matt Maloney were called up. The corresponding moves haven't been announced, but an UNRELIABLE source claims that Gomes has been released and Renteria is on the bereavement list. I find it hard to believe that 2 roster spots would be cleared without adding anyone for a call-up. However, Renteria to the bereavement list would make sense due to his attire as he left the team hotel"

Watch for EV and J. Smith to be sent down opening up spots for both Frazier and Maloney.

[Vottomatic]

This is from Reds Rumors- MLBTRADERUMORS.COM(Facebook page):

"Also, Todd Frazier and Matt Maloney were called up. The corresponding moves haven't been announced, but an UNRELIABLE source claims that Gomes has been released and Renteria is on the bereavement list. I find it hard to believe that 2 roster spots would be cleared without adding anyone for a call-up. However, Renteria to the bereavement list would make sense due to his attire as he left the team hotel"

1. Danny Ray Herrera put on waivers and claimed by Brewers.
2. Todd Frazier called up.
3. Gomes released. Is this Frazier's spot?
4. Renteria on bereavement list. 2 spots now open.
5. Matt Maloney called up. Does this mean Volquez down or Jordan Smith down? Surely they aren't replacing 2 position players with 1 position player and a pitcher? I think another move is happening.

[Krawhitham]

Reds recalled IF Todd Frazier and LHP Matt Maloney, optioned to Louisville RHPs Jordan Smith and Edinson Volquez.

http://twitter.com/#!/Reds/status/72756798238638082

[Vottomatic]

So Frazier is up as a backup infielder for Renteria's leave of absence?
But they sent 2 pitchers down and only brought up one. Hmmm.

[5TimeWSChamps]

They are going to be playing with the extra position player until Volquez' spot in the rotation comes up this weekend

[Vottomatic]

Latest rumor is Maloney will be reliever replacing Jordan Smith and that there is a trade in the works for a #1 starter, possibly Felix from Seattle.

[brm7675]

Latest rumor is Maloney will be reliever replacing Jordan Smith and that there is a trade in the works for a #1 starter, possibly Felix from Seattle.

I would put any trade rumor at less then 10% chance of happening. Plus pitching is not our major need, it's a good bat which is what we need right now.

[brm7675]

They are going to be playing with the extra position player until Volquez' spot in the rotation comes up this weekend

But we have loss 3 players possibly off the major league roster (Smith/EV/Edgar) and only called up 2. So are we not playing a man down?

[Vottomatic]

But we have loss 3 players possibly off the major league roster (Smith/EV/Edgar) and only called up 2. So are we not playing a man down?

Playing a man down gives Dusty an excuse for losing.

[brm7675]

Playing a man down gives Dusty an excuse for losing.

He doesn't need an excuse...:thumbup:

[Natty Redlocks]

Latest rumor is Maloney will be reliever replacing Jordan Smith and that there is a trade in the works for a #1 starter, possibly Felix from Seattle.

source?

[Reds]

DRH to the Brewers? Not even worth a thread.

[Red Rover]

But we have loss 3 players possibly off the major league roster (Smith/EV/Edgar) and only called up 2. So are we not playing a man down?

Edgar should still be with the team. No official new on him yet.

[5TimeWSChamps]

Yeah, nothing official with Edgar has been announced yet.

[DocRed]

DFA/DL or whatever Gomes and bring up Sappelt while your at it Walt...

[Vottomatic]

Latest rumor is the DRH was taken off 40-man to possibly put Jeremy Horst on it and bring him up.

We shall see.

[5TimeWSChamps]

Roenicke makes the most sense. He pitched yesterday and would be up the same day that EV would be

[DocRed]

What is Edgar bereaving?

[brm7675]

Latest rumor is the DRH was taken off 40-man to possibly put Jeremy Horst on it and bring him up.

We shall see.

Then why not do it today? I think that is the smart move, but as we have seen the Reds don't do the smart thing.

[smixsell]

I would almost have to guess that Edison V. gets optioned or DL, as his turn in the rotation isn't for another 5 days. At that time Willis will be called up. Frazier will stay on the roster until that time.

Just a thought.

Exactly what I think will happen.

[5TimeWSChamps]

Willis is on the AAA DL now

[Maker_84]

I would put any trade rumor at less then 10% chance of happening. Plus pitching is not our major need, it's a good bat which is what we need right now.

no, we definately need both

[Vottomatic]

It was said on ORG that the Reds have picked up a pitcher named Stephen Jackson from the Dodgers and assigned him to triple A. They also said his stats are horrible.

[Kingspoint]

Frazier, who is wearing No. 21, estimated he had about 60 members of his family and friends coming to Monday's game. When he got the call, he immediately phoned his parents -- Joan and Charles.

"My mom always goes to sleep early. I knew my Dad would answer the phone," Frazier said. "I was holding it back a little bit, but we were both a little choked up. He said, 'Let me wake up your mother,' and she was ecstatic. It's a great feeling for the family and friends. I've got buddies waiting outside already. They drove down."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110523&content_id=19456300&notebook_id=19457940&vkey=notebook_cin&c_id=cin

[RedLegsToday]

Plus pitching is not our major need, it's a good bat which is what we need right now.

2011 Cincinnati Reds

2nd in the league in r/g scored
14th in the league in r/g allowed

This years' pitching staff has sucked so far.

[RedLegsToday]

Is there any chance at all that Frazier can play SS? Our current SS is playing at a sub-Taveras level, and may not get any better. Nothing like hitting a guy who is hitting under .200 over the last month in the 2nd spot!

[DocRed]

Is there any chance at all that Frazier can play SS? Our current SS is playing at a sub-Taveras level, and may not get any better. Nothing like hitting a guy who is hitting under .200 over the last month in the 2nd spot!

Frazier came up as a SS and played there mainly his first few years I believe. Not sure how he feels at SS now though. Baseball reference shows he played in 2007 and 2008 mainly at SS but since has not played there at all.

[Red Rover]

Frazier back down and Carlos Fisher up. Is Edgar back?

[5TimeWSChamps]

Edgar was back yesterday.

Bullpen has been ravaged last 2 days, gotta bring someone up to pitch

[Red Rover]

Edgar was back yesterday.

Bullpen has been ravaged last 2 days, gotta bring someone up to pitch

Okay, although in the last 3 days Masset & Bray haven't pitched and Cordero & Ondrusek have only pitched 1 inning each? Fisher must be the long man tonight, hopefully the Reds don't need him.