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edabbs44
05-31-2011, 03:07 PM
Stubbs 8
Phillips 4
Votto 3
Bruce 9
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Edgar 6
Ramon 2
Reineke 1

Observations

1) Bruce is hitting 4th, answering many prayers here.

2) Gomes starting his 2nd game in a row, is this the Rise of Jonny or just because he has actually hit Greinke fairly well with 2 HRs and a double in 9 ABs?

3) Greinke throws strikes, with a 39/3 K/BB ratio this year. Not a typo.

4) Joey also has 2 bombs off Greinke in 4 ABs.


Play ball.

Homer Bailey
05-31-2011, 03:12 PM
Edgar ahead of Ramon doesn't seem justifiable, but I'm sure its Dustifiable. But if my only qualm is about swapping the 7th and 8th hitters, then I guess I can't complain much. Looks like he wants his best offensive lineup out there against Greinke, but one of his worst defensive alignments (Gomes/Renteria) for a pitcher that doesn't really strike anyone out (Reineke). Dusty's in a tough spot with this game anyways, so if the Reds lose this game, I certainly won't be able to blame it ont he lineup.

oneupper
05-31-2011, 03:20 PM
Greinke against Scooby-Doo Greinke.

Epic Battle.

OldXOhio
05-31-2011, 04:25 PM
So it took JB's month of May to convince Dusty that hitting LHs back to back against a RH hurler isn't such a bad thing?

REDREAD
05-31-2011, 04:46 PM
Well, I'm glad Dusty is playing his best offensive lineup, because I think it's a given that Reinike is going to be hit hard. I kind of doubt the difference between Janish and Renturia on defense is going to make a difference in preventing that.

BearcatShane
05-31-2011, 05:12 PM
Well, I'm glad Dusty is playing his best offensive lineup, because I think it's a given that Reinike is going to be hit hard. I kind of doubt the difference between Janish and Renturia on defense is going to make a difference in preventing that.




In this game, nothong is a given.

Far East
05-31-2011, 05:14 PM
...Gomes starting his 2nd game in a row, is this the Rise of Jonny or just because he has actually hit Greinke fairly well with 2 HRs and a double in 9 ABs?...

Hope that Jonny might come through one or twice given 4 plate appearances and that lefty Lewis might come through in a single pinch-hitting AB -- all other bench guys are RH hitters.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:14 PM
That'll work. 1-2-3 first for Reineke. 10 pitches. Not too shabby.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:17 PM
Stubbs with a shot past Nyjer Morgan with a leadoff Double. Greinke, who? :O)

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:20 PM
Crud. Linedrive right at Prince. He stung that ball. Crummy luck there. 1 down.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:21 PM
Linedrive to center from Votto. 2 down, Stubbs still at 2nd. It's up to Jay.

At least we're getting hard hit balls.

CTA513
05-31-2011, 07:21 PM
3 hard hit balls and 2 resulted in outs.

reds44
05-31-2011, 07:22 PM
heheheheehe he's good.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:22 PM
Jay steps up AGAIN! Single to plate Stubbs. 1-0 Reds. 33 rbi's .... just in May. Wowsers.

WebScorpion
05-31-2011, 07:22 PM
Bruuuuuuce! :thumbup:

CTA513
05-31-2011, 07:23 PM
Bruce now just 2 RBIs behind the major league leader Gonzalez who has 46 RBIs.

757690
05-31-2011, 07:24 PM
Maybe I'm wrong and batter order does matter? ;)

757690
05-31-2011, 07:25 PM
A few breaks and the Reds could have scored 3 runs that inning. They're stinging the ball against Zach.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:25 PM
Rolen stings one too. Line out to deep right. 1-0 Reds after 1.

I'm loving all the hard hit balls. That bodes well for tonight. :O)

oneupper
05-31-2011, 07:25 PM
A few breaks and the Reds could have scored 3 runs that inning. They're stinging the ball against Zach.

I kind of feel cheated.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:27 PM
A few breaks and the Reds could have scored 3 runs that inning. They're stinging the ball against Zach.

Well, when we're facing a top notch defense like this one, you've got to expect us to leave some guys strande.....oh, wait. It's the Brewers. Okay, you got me. :laugh:

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:28 PM
Prince lines out hard to Stubbs. 1 down. They're not hitting soft flies off of Reineke...so we need to keep adding on.

WebScorpion
05-31-2011, 07:29 PM
Most of the Brewers are fastball hitters...I think Reineke will do okay against them if he sticks with his off-speed stuff. Same reason Arroyo and Leake usually do well against them. :thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:29 PM
K

That's one. I called for the perfect game with 15 k's. He's on his way. :O)

CTA513
05-31-2011, 07:31 PM
McGehee trying out for Olympic bat tossing.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:31 PM
Ground out to Rolen. 1-2-3...again. Nice.

LvJ
05-31-2011, 07:33 PM
Glad Dusty stopped being an idiot. Votto and Bruce, together at once!

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:34 PM
Greinke falling behind to everybody thus far.

4 pitch walk to Jonny Walker.

CTA513
05-31-2011, 07:34 PM
Greinke wants nothing to do with Gomes and walks him on 4 pitches.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 07:34 PM
Greinke wanted no part of Gomes. :p

WebScorpion
05-31-2011, 07:34 PM
4 pitch walk to Jonny Walker.
He's BACK!! :thumbup:

RBA
05-31-2011, 07:35 PM
Bruce on Fire

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0317/mlb_g_jbruce_600.jpg
http://www.photoshopessentials.com/images/type/effects/fire-text/photoshop-fire-text.jpg

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:36 PM
Renteria K's. Janish would've had that. Oh, wait...... D'oh!

The Operator
05-31-2011, 07:38 PM
Bruce on FireIn honor of The Boss...

YouTube - ‪CRAZY JOE & THE MAD RIVER OUTLAWS - "PANTS ON FIRE"‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhFqLkxP7lI&feature=related)

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:40 PM
Razor grounds to third...but Gomes was running. Can't turn the dp, but Razor's gone at first. 2 down for Reineke.

757690
05-31-2011, 07:40 PM
From the original boss...

YouTube - ‪Bruce Springsteen - I'm On Fire‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrpXArn3hII)

757690
05-31-2011, 07:41 PM
Chad is swinging as hard as he can in case he hits something.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:42 PM
Chad is swinging as hard as he can in case he hits something.

He's got a mlb hit AND an rbi already. This is his 6th mlb start.

WebScorpion
05-31-2011, 07:42 PM
Chad is swinging as hard as he can in case he hits something.He and Renteria have the same swing. :laugh:

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:43 PM
K looking. 1-0 Reds after 2 full. But hey, we turned the lineup over. Gotta see the positives.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 07:46 PM
wow

reds44
05-31-2011, 07:46 PM
For real Edgar is worse than Janish. And that's saying something.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:46 PM
*sigh* Grounder to short. Ole'.

I'm pretty sure that the old saying would fit here. You know who...would've had that.

CTA513
05-31-2011, 07:46 PM
Gomes would of had that

RBA
05-31-2011, 07:46 PM
My Grandma would have had that one.

757690
05-31-2011, 07:47 PM
Well, I'm glad Dusty is playing his best offensive lineup, because I think it's a given that Reinike is going to be hit hard. I kind of doubt the difference between Janish and Renturia on defense is going to make a difference in preventing that.

Ah-hem...

WebScorpion
05-31-2011, 07:47 PM
Edgar looking kind of rusty on the slow hopper... :bang:

6 errors in 30 games.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:47 PM
Gomes would of had that

LOL. And with that...milk shoots out my nose. :O)

Damn...single to tie the game.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 07:47 PM
This SS situation sucks. 1-1 thanks to Edgar.

reds44
05-31-2011, 07:49 PM
I broke the hell out of my phone..smh

Gallen5862
05-31-2011, 07:49 PM
Thanks for the PBP.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:49 PM
Zack flies out to Gomes. 1 down.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:50 PM
Thanks for the PBP.

No problem Gallen. But you know, one of these days you're gonna have to step up and do some yourself. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:50 PM
Morgan swipes 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:51 PM
Weeks lines one to left for a single. Morgan to third. 1st & 3rd with 1 down. Sure would be a nice time to turn two.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 07:52 PM
1st and 3rd for Hart.

WebScorpion
05-31-2011, 07:53 PM
Meanwhile SF ahead of the Cards 1-0 in the 2nd. :thumbup:

Gallen5862
05-31-2011, 07:53 PM
MLB Network is doing a live lookin on the Reds game.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:53 PM
Meanwhile SF ahead of the Cards 1-0 in the 2nd. :thumbup:

Sweet. Any idea who's pitching tonight?

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:54 PM
Crap. 3 run dinger for Hart.

Gallen5862
05-31-2011, 07:54 PM
Home run by Hart a 3 run shot.

reds44
05-31-2011, 07:54 PM
This should surprise nobody.

CTA513
05-31-2011, 07:54 PM
Its sure gone down hill after that error.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 07:54 PM
Stubbs'll need a rocket up his butt to catch that one. 4-1

mbgrayson
05-31-2011, 07:55 PM
Stubbs pushes open the door to the Reds bullpen to go after that one....ouch.

WebScorpion
05-31-2011, 07:55 PM
Sweet. Any idea who's pitching tonight?I think it was Carpenter vs. Vogelsong.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:55 PM
Home run by Hart a 3 run shot.

Gallen's doing PBP?!? *faints dead away* :p

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:56 PM
I think it was Carpenter vs. Vogelsong.

Thanks WS. I love it when Priss gives up runs. It warms my heart. :D

Cedric
05-31-2011, 07:56 PM
I'm trying to be nice about this Reineke guy. I can't remember worse "stuff" since Brian Reith.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 07:56 PM
I'm trying to be nice about this Reineke guy. I can't remember worse "stuff" since Brian Reith.Don't forget Jeff Austin.

Gallen5862
05-31-2011, 07:56 PM
It was during the look in hopefully they do that again.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-31-2011, 07:57 PM
Reineke isn't a pitcher to throw against the Brewers in GABP. I'm surprised they only have 4 right now.

mbgrayson
05-31-2011, 07:57 PM
What is Janish's career ERA? He might be available to pitch a couple innings tonight....

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:57 PM
Braun with the BB.

Price coming out for a visit. Just catching up on old times.

reds44
05-31-2011, 07:58 PM
I'm trying to be nice about this Reineke guy. I can't remember worse "stuff" since Brian Reith.
Are we talking right handed only? Dave Williams and Chris Mahalak say "hi" if we include lefties.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 07:58 PM
"Give the fireworks guy some time to rest, kid."

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 07:58 PM
"Give the fireworks guy some time to rest, kid."

If the "fireworks guy" is lighting them up for Brewers' dingers...we need a new fireworks guy.

reds44
05-31-2011, 07:58 PM
Anybody know when Willis is coming back?

I guess it doesn't matter because Volquez will be back for this spot's next start.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:00 PM
Strike 'em out throw 'em out!

Oops...nope, it was strike 2. Sorry.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 08:00 PM
If the "fireworks guy" is lighting them up for Brewers' dingers...we need a new fireworks guy.
True... would've worked better in an away game. :p

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:00 PM
Reineke isn't a pitcher to throw against (anybody) in (the majors). I'm surprised they only have 4 right now.

Fixed lol

LvJ
05-31-2011, 08:00 PM
I'm trying to be nice about this Reineke guy. I can't remember worse "stuff" since Brian Reith. Reminds me of Jimmy Haynes.

Cedric
05-31-2011, 08:01 PM
Are we talking right handed only? Dave Williams and Chris Mahalak say "hi" if we include lefties.

Ricky Stone. Phil Norton. Kirk Saarloos.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 08:01 PM
Ricky Stone. Phil Norton. Kirk Saarloos.Mark Mallory.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:02 PM
I remember loving the Saarloos signing.

"Ground ball guy in GABP"

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:02 PM
Mark Mallory.
HAHA!

Well played

kaldaniels
05-31-2011, 08:02 PM
Tonight just has to be kept in perspective. The Reds were beaten by the lineup card. It has nothing to do with their recent slump. A miracle would be nice though.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:02 PM
Ground out to Renteria to mercifully end the inning. 4-1 Brewers.

And with that, Reineke's bid for the perfect game comes to a close. Almost.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 08:03 PM
HAHA!

Well playedI'll be here all week. Be sure to tip your waiter. :D

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:05 PM
Stubby 2 for 2. Single to lead off the inning.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:07 PM
Brandon grounds out to Weeks. Stubbs to 2nd.

The Operator
05-31-2011, 08:07 PM
Has Votto changed his at bat music to "Paint it Black" by The Stones?

The Operator
05-31-2011, 08:12 PM
Joey battlin'.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:13 PM
Walk. 10 pitch ab.

There are some ab's where you can just TELL that Votto's going to get on base. Great ab.

kaldaniels
05-31-2011, 08:13 PM
Has Votto changed his at bat music to "Paint it Black" by The Stones?

Still waiting for "Joey" by Concrete Blonde.

mbgrayson
05-31-2011, 08:13 PM
After a ten pitch AB and walk by Votto, Greineke at 53 pitches with 1 out in the 3rd....

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:14 PM
1st & 2nd, 1 down for "the next big thing".

CTA513
05-31-2011, 08:16 PM
Votto is leading the majors in walks just a head of Bautista.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:18 PM
Crud. Bruce K's. He made Zack work though. 8 pitch ab. Greinke isn't going to go deep tonight.

mbgrayson
05-31-2011, 08:18 PM
JB Ks swinging at a low slider.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:18 PM
Rolen grounds out to Weeks to end the threat. 4-1 Brewers.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:19 PM
JB Ks swinging at a low slider.

I like Jay a LOT...but I'm sorry...there's only ONE "JB" for the Reds.

Brutus
05-31-2011, 08:20 PM
I'm not a guy that necessarily thinks it's the worst thing in the world to swing at the first pitch if it's a hitter's pitch and depending on the situation. But it's kind of amusing to see the at-bats by Votto & Bruce and then have Rolen up there hacking away on one pitch. Not that it was a terrible pitch to swing at, but the contrast was just amusing.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:21 PM
Reineke all over the place.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:22 PM
Lucroy grounds out to Rolen. 1 down.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:23 PM
Betancourt flies out to Bruce. 2 down.

WebScorpion
05-31-2011, 08:23 PM
Reineke all over the place.He's trying to nibble now since that homer. He needs to throw strikes and let the hits fall where they may...use that ML defense out there with him.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:24 PM
He's trying to nibble now since that homer. He needs to throw strikes and let the hits fall where they may...use that ML defense out there with him.

Yep. And now a 4 pitch walk to Nyjer Morgan.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:26 PM
KK

4-1 it remains. Time to light up that scoreboard fellas!

mbgrayson
05-31-2011, 08:26 PM
I like Jay a LOT...but I'm sorry...there's only ONE "JB" for the Reds.

Jared Burton?

Jim Brower?

Jason Bere?

Jeff Branson?

Jeff Brantley?

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:27 PM
Jared Burton?

Don't be silly. Jeff Brantley obviously. :p

Mr. Bench~ "There can be only one!"

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:30 PM
Jared Burton?

Jim Brower?

Jason Bere?

Jeff Branson?

Somebody's playing with Google. You keep that up and you'll go blind. Or grow hair on your palms....I forget which one. :O)

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:31 PM
Jonny looking like early season Jonny.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:31 PM
Jonny Walker...AGAIN. 3rd walk from Greinke.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:31 PM
Renteria trying to make up for his error. Single.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:35 PM
RAZOR! Single to center! Bases jacked for Reineke. No outs.

What do we do?!? Pinch hit? Bunt?

HokieRed
05-31-2011, 08:36 PM
Do you let Reineke hit?

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:36 PM
Do you let Reineke hit?

I have him taking. Period.

WebScorpion
05-31-2011, 08:36 PM
Intentional K to avoid the DP. ;)

Brutus
05-31-2011, 08:38 PM
Greinke sure is elevating that pitch count tonight lol

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:38 PM
Hmmmm....full count. Definitely look at it. DON'T SWING!

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:39 PM
DP. Good lord!

4-2 Brewers. What are the coaches THINKING!?!

paintmered
05-31-2011, 08:39 PM
Where was the take sign?

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:39 PM
DP. Good lord!

4-2 Brewers. What are the coaches THINKING!?!
Huh? It's the fourth inning and Stubbs strikes out a ton.

Take your chances with him putting the ball in play. At least a run scored.

paintmered
05-31-2011, 08:40 PM
The good news is, the Reds won't have to beat Greinke with his elevated pitch count.

Captain Hook
05-31-2011, 08:40 PM
Huh? It's the fourth inning and Stubbs strikes out a ton.

Take your chances with him putting the ball in play. At least a run scored.

I agree.That wasn't the worst thing that could've happened.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:40 PM
And that's why what the pitcher did wasn't that bad. Take your run, it's the fourth inning.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:40 PM
Stubbs k's. Sure....NOW we strike out. *sigh* I know we scored a run....but we should've gotten a LOT more than that.

Kc61
05-31-2011, 08:42 PM
I don't often say this - maybe I should - but that was just terrible coaching. You can't let the pitcher hit into a DP there. Have him take on 3-2. Have him bunt.

Or remove Reineke for a hitter and let someone else pitch. Carlos Fisher should be ready by now.

Just a terrible sequence there allowing a potential big inning get away.

Captain Hook
05-31-2011, 08:42 PM
Stubbs k's. Sure....NOW we strike out. *sigh* I know we scored a run....but we should've gotten a LOT more than that.

Got a run and ran the pitch count up with 6,7,8 due up in the inning.I can't complain.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:43 PM
I don't often say this - maybe I should - but that was just terrible coaching. You can't let the pitcher hit into a DP there. Have him take on 3-2. Have him bunt.

Or remove Reineke from the game and let someone else pitch. Carlos Fisher should be ready by now.

Just a terrible sequence there allowing a potential big inning get away.

Yep. Really bad decision there. I know Stubbs K's a bunch, but if Reineke doesn't hit into the DP...at least you let Phillips come up too. Bad decision.

edabbs44
05-31-2011, 08:43 PM
I don't often say this - maybe I should - but that was just terrible coaching. You can't let the pitcher hit into a DP there. Have him take on 3-2. Have him bunt.

Or remove Reineke for a hitter and let someone else pitch. Carlos Fisher should be ready by now.

Just a terrible sequence there allowing a potential big inning get away.

A 1-2-3 DP would have been awesome.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:43 PM
Weeks singles past Rolen.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:44 PM
A 1-2-3 DP would have been awesome.

Yeah. Bunting wasn't an option...not realistically. He should've been taking. Without question.

Reds Freak
05-31-2011, 08:44 PM
The other factor is that I feel like Reineke is about to get shelled. If the Reds had a more rested bullpen, I think you would have seen a pinch hitter.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:45 PM
Yeah. Bunting wasn't an option...not realistically. He should've been taking. Without question.
And what happens if both him and Stubbs strike out?

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:45 PM
The other factor is that I feel like Reineke is about to get shelled. If the Reds had a more rested bullpen, I think you would have seen a pinch hitter.

Bullpen's fine now. Well rested.

Arredondo, Masset & Cordero 1 ip in last nights game. Cueto cg previous game. They're fine.

paintmered
05-31-2011, 08:45 PM
DP!

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:45 PM
Yessirree! 6-4-3

edabbs44
05-31-2011, 08:45 PM
And what happens if both him and Stubbs strike out?

BP gets up?

Btw, I am with you. Take the run. But an AB wasn't exactly a guaranteed run.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:46 PM
BP gets up?

Btw, I am with you. Take the run. But an AB wasn't exactly a guaranteed run.
It wasn't, but people are upset because he grounded into a DP. Nobody here is whining if he hits a single.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 08:46 PM
And what happens if both him and Stubbs strike out?

Don't care.

He's a pitcher -- worse, he's a mediocre pitcher fresh up from the minors where they DH on a regular basis.

He should take. He should have been taking every pitch of that at bat. Give Stubbs and Phillips -- actual major league talent -- the shot to drive runs in.

If the take sign WASN'T on, he should've had the common sense to hold the bat on his own.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:47 PM
Don't care.

He's a pitcher -- worse, he's a mediocre pitcher fresh up from the minors where they DH on a regular basis.

He should take. He should have been taking every pitch of that at bat. Give Stubbs and Phillips -- actual major league talent -- the shot to drive runs in.

If the take sign WASN'T on, he should've had the common sense to hold the bat on his own.
He worked the count to 3-2 and he's supposed to take strike 3 right down the middle?

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:48 PM
Don't care.

He's a pitcher -- worse, he's a mediocre pitcher fresh up from the minors where they DH on a regular basis.

He should take. He should have been taking every pitch of that at bat. Give Stubbs and Phillips -- actual major league talent -- the shot to drive runs in.

If the take sign WASN'T on, he should've had the common sense to hold the bat on his own.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Abso-friggin-loutly!

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 08:48 PM
It wasn't, but people are upset because he grounded into a DP. Nobody here is whining if he hits a single.

If he hits a single, it's still dumb.

He's an emergency call-up starter who, under normal circumstances, would only come to GABP if he bought a ticket. The probability of a poor outcome from swinging is FAR greater than a positive one.

Take. Take. And take some more.

Kc61
05-31-2011, 08:48 PM
The other factor is that I feel like Reineke is about to get shelled. If the Reds had a more rested bullpen, I think you would have seen a pinch hitter.

At some point, resting the pen is less important than winning a game. Bags full nobody out, you need to use a hitter.

Fisher probably could go by now. If not, Arredondo. If not, Horst.

Not happy with that decision.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 08:49 PM
He worked the count to 3-2 and he's supposed to take strike 3 right down the middle?

If I were managing, he'd have struck out two pitches earlier taking and been back in the dugout to let the actual talent on the team swing the bat.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:49 PM
Braun flied out to end the inning btw.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:50 PM
If I were managing, he'd have struck out two pitches earlier taking and been back in the dugout to let the actual talent on the team swing the bat.

And strike out on 3 pitches.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:50 PM
At some point, resting the pen is less important than winning a game. Bags full nobody out, you need to use a hitter.

Fisher probably could go by now. If not, Arredondo. If not, Horst.

Not happy with that decision.

Bullpen should NOT be a concern right now. Complete game by Cueto followed by 3 innings last night. The pen is rested.

paintmered
05-31-2011, 08:51 PM
Phillips hanging in there against Greinke. Keep running up that pitch count!

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 08:51 PM
And strike out on 3 pitches.

Who knows -- then you'd have Phillips up.

I'll take my chances with Stubbs up and 1 out or Phillips and 2 outs over ANYTHING that this scrub can do with the bat.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:51 PM
Phillips K's to start the bottom half of the 5th.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:51 PM
Who knows -- then you'd have Phillips up.

I'll take my chances with Stubbs up and 1 out or Phillips and 2 outs over ANYTHING that this scrub can do with the bat.
I'll take my run.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:51 PM
Votto with a ROPE to right for a single

paintmered
05-31-2011, 08:51 PM
Bruce up as the potential tying run.

Captain Hook
05-31-2011, 08:51 PM
I'll take my run.

x2

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 08:52 PM
I'll take my run.

If you want a run, squeeze on the first pitch.

WebScorpion
05-31-2011, 08:52 PM
Phillips K's to start the bottom half of the 5th.Greinke threw a 93 mph fastball followed by a 64mph curve. :eek: Not quite fair.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:53 PM
Bruce grounds to Weeks but beats out the DP.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:53 PM
If you want a run, squeeze on the first pitch.
You're going to squeeze with the bases loaded and nobody out? And what happens if "the scrub" whifs on the bunt attempt? Then it's 2nd and 3rd 1 out for "the scrub" which leads to 2nd and 3rd 2 outs and still no runs.

And you never squeeze with nobody out, especially with the bases loaded.

paintmered
05-31-2011, 08:53 PM
Rolen needs new intro music...

Captain Hook
05-31-2011, 08:53 PM
It'd be nice to see Rolen hit one out right here just to prove he still can.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 08:54 PM
You're going to squeeze with the bases loaded and nobody out? And what happens if "the scrub" whifs on the bunt attempt? Then it's 2nd and 3rd 1 out for "the scrub" which leads to 2nd and 3rd 2 outs and still no runs.

And you never squeeze with nobody out.

If you're going to play for one run -- which is what you're doing when you allow a AAAA guy to swing the bat in this situation -- then at least admit that's what you're going for and play for one run.

If you're going to play for the big inning, don't let this guy kill it with a weak ground ball to the middle infield.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:54 PM
100 pitches for Greinke.

Rolen flies out to Betancourt to end the inning.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:54 PM
Scott Rolen is OLD.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:55 PM
If you're going to play for one run -- which is what you're doing when you allow a AAAA guy to swing the bat in this situation -- then at least admit that's what you're going for and play for one run.

If you're going to play for the big inning, don't let this guy kill it with a weak ground ball to the middle infield.
Letting a guy swing the bat is playing for one run? There was still a runner on third for "the talent" and he proceeded to strike out on three pitches.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 08:55 PM
You're going to squeeze with the bases loaded and nobody out? And what happens if "the scrub" whifs on the bunt attempt? Then it's 2nd and 3rd 1 out for "the scrub" which leads to 2nd and 3rd 2 outs and still no runs.

And you never squeeze with nobody out, especially with the bases loaded.

And, yes, this dude pitching is a scrub.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:56 PM
If you're going to play for one run -- which is what you're doing when you allow a AAAA guy to swing the bat in this situation -- then at least admit that's what you're going for and play for one run.

If you're going to play for the big inning, don't let this guy kill it with a weak ground ball to the middle infield.

And let's not forget...he's going against a former Cy Young winner. This was a no-brainer. He should've been taking the entire at bat. But once it got full...letting him swing away was borderline criminal.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:56 PM
He is but that has nothing to do with anything. It's not like Cueto or Volquez would have any better chance of getting a hit there.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:56 PM
And let's not forget...he's going against a former Cy Young winner. This was a no-brainer. He should've been taking the entire at bat. But once it got full...letting him swing away was borderline criminal.
It was a strike down the middle! It's not like he swung at ball 4 and hit a DP.

Homer Bailey
05-31-2011, 08:57 PM
Scott Rolen has a .691 OPS. We're about to enter June.

paintmered
05-31-2011, 08:57 PM
Prince takes an 81mph pitch between the shoulder blades.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:57 PM
Prince plunked.

reds44
05-31-2011, 08:57 PM
Scott Rolen has a .691 OPS. We're about to enter June.
Go Mavs! lol

edabbs44
05-31-2011, 08:57 PM
Scott Rolen has a .691 OPS. We're about to enter June.

Maybe he Freaky Fridayed his season from last year?

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:58 PM
4-6-3! Yessirree!

paintmered
05-31-2011, 08:58 PM
Taylor-made 4-6-3, right there.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 08:58 PM
Letting a guy swing the bat is playing for one run? There was still a runner on third for "the talent" and he proceeded to strike out on three pitches.

Letting a pitcher (fresh up from AAA where they DH about half the time) swing away with the bases loaded and no one out -- especially with guys like Hernandez, Renteria, and Gomes on base -- is asking for a GIDP.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:58 PM
Maybe he Freaky Fridayed his season from last year?

God I hope so. A torrid second half from Rolen would be awesome! But right now...he's not so awesome.

LvJ
05-31-2011, 08:59 PM
whelp

paintmered
05-31-2011, 08:59 PM
And there's your aforementioned shelling.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 08:59 PM
He is but that has nothing to do with anything. It's not like Cueto or Volquez would have any better chance of getting a hit there.

I'm equal opportunity -- the only pitchers I'd let swing in that situation would be Mike Leake and Bronson Arroyo.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 08:59 PM
Lucroy...dinger. 5-2

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 09:00 PM
Homer Bailey can not get well soon enough.

paintmered
05-31-2011, 09:00 PM
85 mph, flat and up in the zone. Consider ourselves lucky that ball didn't end up in Tennessee.

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:00 PM
Letting a pitcher (fresh up from AAA where they DH about half the time) swing away with the bases loaded and no one out -- especially with guys like Hernandez, Renteria, and Gomes on base -- is asking for a GIDP.
Reineke had 17 AAA ABs this year, which puts him 3 behind Wood who is the Reds pitcher with the most ABs. So there goes that theory.

On a side note, his OPS was .236 which puts him in line with the Reds SS production this year.

edabbs44
05-31-2011, 09:00 PM
God I hope so. A torrid second half from Rolen would be awesome! But right now...he's not so awesome.

I posted this in another thread earlier today. 3B major league average OPS for 2011 is currently .682. You'll never guess what the only position the Reds are currently below average is.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:00 PM
I'm equal opportunity -- the only pitchers I'd let swing in that situation would be Mike Leake and Bronson Arroyo.

I'd consider Wood too. All 3 can swing the bat fairly effectively. But in that situation...I'd still be leaning towards taking. Full count...without a doubt.

Kc61
05-31-2011, 09:01 PM
Letting a pitcher (fresh up from AAA where they DH about half the time) swing away with the bases loaded and no one out -- especially with guys like Hernandez, Renteria, and Gomes on base -- is asking for a GIDP.

Exactly correct.

Terrible managerial decision.

It seems like Dusty's main concern these days is saving the bullpen.

There was a chance to win, and the Reds didn't take it.

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:01 PM
I'd consider Wood too. All 3 can swing the bat fairly effectively. But in that situation...I'd still be leaning towards taking. Full count...without a doubt.
Wood is 1/20 this year.

Now to be fair that one went very far.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:01 PM
Betancourt flies out to Gomes to end the inning. 5-2 Brewers.

I don't think we're out of this. Not by a long shot.

LvJ
05-31-2011, 09:01 PM
Exactly correct.

Terrible managerial decision.

It seems like Dusty's main concern these days is saving the bullpen.

There was a chance to win, and the Reds didn't take it.

Agreed.

They have been "saving" the bullpen for a few days now. You'd think they would be quite okay now.

Brutus
05-31-2011, 09:02 PM
I'm with 44 on this. You never, never, ever, ever have a guy with a take sign on with 2-strikes. Pitcher or no pitcher, the goal is to get 'em on, get 'em over and get 'em in. You can't do any of that with the bat on your shoulders.

Put the ball in play and you never know what will happen. Yea it might be a double play where you score a run, but it also might be a 3-run error. You just never know.

edabbs44
05-31-2011, 09:02 PM
Exactly correct.

Terrible managerial decision.

It seems like Dusty's main concern these days is saving the bullpen.

There was a chance to win, and the Reds didn't take it.

So you would have pinch hit?

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:02 PM
I posted this in another thread earlier today. 3B major league average OPS for 2011 is currently .682. You'll never guess what the only position the Reds are currently below average is.

Right field? Bruce is 12'th in all star voting...so he MUST be doing poorly. :p

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:02 PM
For the record, I might have PH too.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:03 PM
Gomes K's on a foul tip.

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:04 PM
Reineke is 5/70 with 33 strikeouts in his minor league hitting history.

Harangesque

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:04 PM
Cards down 2-1.

Horst warming up.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:04 PM
Renteria flies out to Hart. 2 down for Hernandez.

Kc61
05-31-2011, 09:05 PM
So you would have pinch hit?

I would have pinch hit, yes.

And if I didn't pinch hit, I would have bunted.

And if I didn't bunt, on the 3-2 pitch, I would have had Greineke take the pitch.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 09:05 PM
I'm with 44 on this. You never, never, ever, ever have a guy with a take sign on with 2-strikes. Pitcher or no pitcher, the goal is to get 'em on, get 'em over and get 'em in. You can't do any of that with the bat on your shoulders.

Put the ball in play and you never know what will happen. Yea it might be a double play where you score a run, but it also might be a 3-run error. You just never know.

What do you put the odds of a positive outcome of this guy's AB (a run scoring w/ less than 1 out recorded)? 10% 20%?

He single handedly short-circuited an inning by swinging the bat. I'll take my chances with Stubbs and Phillips.

It may cost the Reds this ballgame by letting this guy swing away.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:05 PM
1-2-3 inning for Greinke. First of the game. Probably last inning from him too. 110 pitches. He hadn't gone over 100 pitches all season thus far.

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:06 PM
What do you put the odds of a positive outcome of this guy's AB (a run scoring w/ less than 1 out recorded)? 10% 20%?

He single handedly short-circuited an inning by swinging the bat. I'll take my chances with Stubbs and Phillips.

It may cost the Reds this ballgame by letting this guy swing away.
How many times are you going to completely ignore the fact that Stubbs batted with a runner on 3rd and 2 outs and struck out?

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:07 PM
Reineke back out.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 09:07 PM
How many times are you going to completely ignore the fact that Stubbs batted with a runner on 3rd and 2 outs and struck out?

I'll stop when you stop pulling a Thommy B and stop pretending that Stubbs would've been pitched the same way with the bases loaded. Deal?

redsfaninbsg
05-31-2011, 09:08 PM
How long does a bullpen need rest?

Kc61
05-31-2011, 09:09 PM
How long does a bullpen need rest?

Until you are seven games out.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:09 PM
Line out to Bruce for out #1.

Who would've thunk it. Reineke goes deeper into the game than Greinke. Bizzaro world.

Homer Bailey
05-31-2011, 09:09 PM
How many times are you going to completely ignore the fact that Stubbs batted with a runner on 3rd and 2 outs and struck out?

Which has nothing to do with anything. The at bat is probably different if the situation is different.

redsfaninbsg
05-31-2011, 09:09 PM
Don't the Reds have an off day Thursday?

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:10 PM
Which has nothing to do with anything. The at bat is probably different if the situation is different.

Yep. Plus you'd still have Phillps coming to the plate that inning too.

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:10 PM
I'll stop when you stop pulling a Thommy B and stop pretending that Stubbs would've been pitched the same way with the bases loaded. Deal?
What does that matter? Of course he wouldn't have been pitched the same but he had a chance to get a hit and score a run and put up a much more feeble attempt than "the scrub" did.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:10 PM
PH'er Counsell walks.

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:10 PM
Which has nothing to do with anything. The at bat is probably different if the situation is different.
But the point is it's not like Stubbs didn't get his shot. He did, and it was fugly.

Kc61
05-31-2011, 09:11 PM
What does that matter? Of course he wouldn't have been pitched the same but he had a chance to get a hit and score a run and put up a much more feeble attempt than "the scrub" did.

The correct question is what Heisey or Lewis would have done with the bags loaded and nobody out.

I think there's a good chance the pinch hitter would have done something very positive with Greinke pitching poorly that inning.

Now, everybody is still on the bench. The relievers. The pinch hitters.

It's "let's get some rest" day.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:12 PM
Wild pitch. Counsell to 2nd.

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:12 PM
The correct question is what Heisey or Lewis would have done with the bags loaded and nobody out.

I think there's a good chance the pinch hitter would have done something very positive with Greinke pitching poorly that inning.

Now, everybody is still on the bench. The relievers. The pinch hitters.

It's "let's get some rest" day.
Different arguments. I have no problem with this.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 09:12 PM
What does that matter? Of course he wouldn't have been pitched the same but he had a chance to get a hit and score a run and put up a much more feeble attempt than "the scrub" did.

You can't draw any conclusions about what Stubbs' AB bases loaded with 1 out based on Stubbs' AB w/ 2 out and runner on 3rd. Completely different situations.

And, let's not forget, even if Stubbs strikes out, you've got Phillips up with the bases loaded, 2 outs, and Joey Votto on deck.

I like both of those situations much more than "the scrub" at the plate looking to put a ball in play.

Cedric
05-31-2011, 09:13 PM
Dusty has made some really odd choices this year. I'm confused almost nightly at this point.

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:13 PM
You can't draw any conclusions about what Stubbs' AB bases loaded with 1 out based on Stubbs' AB w/ 2 out and runner on 3rd. Completely different situations.

And, let's not forget, even if Stubbs strikes out, you've got Phillips up with the bases loaded, 2 outs, and Joey Votto on deck.

I like both of those situations much more than "the scrub" at the plate looking to put a ball in play.
I'll take my run and give Stubbs an AB with a runner at 3rd with two outs.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:13 PM
Weeks walks. Time to yank him.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 09:14 PM
I feel safe in saying that I hope we never see this guy in a Reds uniform again. He's a less polished, less aggressive Sam LeCure with arguably worse overall stuff.

redsfaninbsg
05-31-2011, 09:14 PM
Dusty has made some really odd choices this year. I'm confused almost nightly at this point.

Co-sign, Dusty has been atrocious this year.

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:15 PM
I feel safe in saying that I hope we never see this guy in a Reds uniform again. He's a less polished, less aggressive Sam LeCure with arguably worse overall stuff.

Agreed.

LvJ
05-31-2011, 09:15 PM
Hart kills lefties. This'll be interesting.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:16 PM
Horst in. Janish in at short as well.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 09:16 PM
Things with a real chance to go from bad to Horst here.

HokieRed
05-31-2011, 09:17 PM
I'm with 44 on this. You never, never, ever, ever have a guy with a take sign on with 2-strikes. Pitcher or no pitcher, the goal is to get 'em on, get 'em over and get 'em in. You can't do any of that with the bat on your shoulders.

Put the ball in play and you never know what will happen. Yea it might be a double play where you score a run, but it also might be a 3-run error. You just never know.

Absolutely. Never a take with 2 strikes. Period.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:17 PM
Things with a real chance to go from bad to Horst here.

http://instantrimshot.com/

Kc61
05-31-2011, 09:17 PM
I watch most of the Reds' games.

Of the ones I've seen, this is the worst managed game of the year.

It's almost as if the primary objective is to let relievers get rest.

And now double switching Janish in.

Just abysmal.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:17 PM
Single to center for Hart. 6-2

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:18 PM
Stubbs charged that ball with a sense of urgency.

LvJ
05-31-2011, 09:18 PM
Things with a real chance to go from bad to Horst here.

:laugh::laugh:

Brutus
05-31-2011, 09:18 PM
What do you put the odds of a positive outcome of this guy's AB (a run scoring w/ less than 1 out recorded)? 10% 20%?

He single handedly short-circuited an inning by swinging the bat. I'll take my chances with Stubbs and Phillips.

It may cost the Reds this ballgame by letting this guy swing away.

BABIP is around 30% and chance of an error is about an additional 8%. Hard to say what the odds of a double-play are. But I'll say this... there is far greater chance of a positive outcome than the worst-case scenario (i.e. DP). Even in the worst case scenario, a run scores.

I just don't see any way the positives don't outweigh the negatives there.

Homer Bailey
05-31-2011, 09:18 PM
If Dusty is punting this game, why should I watch?

Cedric
05-31-2011, 09:18 PM
I watch most of the Reds' games.

Of the ones I've seen, this is the worst managed game of the year.

It's almost as if the primary objective is to let relievers get rest.

And now double switching Janish in.

Just abysmal.

I'm not just bitter or shooting from the hip about this. Dusty has flat out been awful this year, IMO. Today couldn't have been managed worse.

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:18 PM
Why the lefty for Hart and Bruan?

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:19 PM
If Dusty is punting this game, why should I watch?
He's been doing it a lot lately.

Kc61
05-31-2011, 09:19 PM
Why the lefty for Hart and Bruan?

Because he wants to rest the righties.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:19 PM
1st & 3rd...1 down...Braun up.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2011, 09:20 PM
Because he wants to rest the righties.

Logan hasn't pitched since saturday.

Braun K's.

Captain Hook
05-31-2011, 09:20 PM
I feel safe in saying that I hope we never see this guy in a Reds uniform again. He's a less polished, less aggressive Sam LeCure with arguably worse overall stuff.

I would guess that the Reds had Volquez,Willis,Lecure and Maloney all ahead of him.That'd make him their 10th best option.It's been that kind of year so far.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2011, 09:20 PM
If Dusty is punting this game, why should I watch?

They punted this game the minute they had to go fishing for a career minor-leaguer to start the game.

Homer Bailey
05-31-2011, 09:20 PM
"Obviously Baker's thinking..... I don't know WHAT the hell he's thinking."

(Bob Uecker voice)

Superdude
05-31-2011, 09:20 PM
Stubbs charged that ball with a sense of urgency.

That gave me a horrible Griffey flashback

reds44
05-31-2011, 09:21 PM
That gave me a horrible Griffey flashback
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught onto that.

Kc61
05-31-2011, 09:21 PM
Logan hasn't pitched since saturday.

Braun K's.

Maybe he's on vacation.

RBA
05-31-2011, 09:22 PM
Has a player been DFA during a game?