July 5 2011 v St. Louis

[klw]

Stubbs CF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Bruce RF
Gomes LF
Hanigan C
Janish SS
Volquez P

Not that anyone will be following the game or anything.

Pujols has been activated-but is not in the lineup
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110705&content_id=21433292&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb


Pujols will not be in the lineup but presumably will be available to pinch-hit when the Cardinals play host to the Reds at Busch Stadium at 6:09 p.m. CT. Left-handed reliever Brian Tallet, who has a right intercostal strain, was placed on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to Monday, to make room for Pujols.


See if this inspires them.
YouTube - ‪Dumb and Dumber - You're telling me there's a chance‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFB2akLh4s&feature=player_embedded)

[CySeymour]

Just have a feeling they Reds are due to give out a butt kicking tonight!

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

I would have preferred to see Chris Heisey in there leading off in CF tonight.

[reds44]

Hanigan catching Volquez again. I like it.

[Matt700wlw]

Alright....here goes nothing :)

[WebScorpion]

Just have a feeling they Reds are due to give out a butt kicking tonight!And Garcia is just the guy who's due for one... ;) Sure hope Volquie can keep it together today. :pray:

[kbrake]

First game thread in awhile. Hoping for a fun one.

[reds44]

First game thread in awhile. Hoping for a fun one.
Yesssssss.

Stubbs strikes out. Stunning.

[Matt700wlw]

Stubbs....my goodness.

Think there's a chance maybe Stubbs gets sent down?

[reds44]

Stubbs....my goodness.

Think there's a chance maybe Stubbs gets sent down?
Nope, but I'd give a hard look at giving Heisey some ABs in CF.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Stubbs....my goodness.

A trip to Louisville may do him well. Call up Sappelt, Hermida, or Alonso

[Homer Bailey]

Stubbs....my goodness.

Think there's a chance maybe Stubbs gets sent down?

Do I think there's a chance that a guy on pace to be a 4 win player gets sent down?

No.

[kbrake]

Ok, I'm hoping they just can't see. Can't imagine Stubbs would be sent down he had some real rough stretches last season and they rode it out.

[reds44]

Man I wish Phillips would have knocked out Molina.

[reds44]

Nice inning!

[reds44]

Holy crap Ramon Ortiz is starting for the Cubs.

[Matt700wlw]

Holy crap Ramon Ortiz is starting for the Cubs.

I didn't know he was still around

[kbrake]

Someone want to tell Volquez the whole sun/shade thing will only help if he can get close to the zone.

[reds44]

I didn't know he was still around
Makes two of us.

[reds44]

Aaron Boone lets all know Tony LaRussa likes having Albert Pujols back.

Thanks for that brilliant piece of info.

[reds44]

1-0 Cardinals.

[Matt700wlw]

Thus it begins...

[Red in Chicago]

lol

[kbrake]

It hurts to watch this team. I hope the HR Derby wrecks his swing.

[reds44]

2-0.

[Matt700wlw]

Volquez. Please go away

[reds44]

All is fine. We're about to break out, I know it.

[WebScorpion]

Someone want to tell Volquez the whole sun/shade thing will only help if he can get close to the zone.I'm amazed at how fast the shadows move at that stadium. Garcia was standing in the sun and now Volquez is completely in the shade. Nice pitch there for Holliday....if you're throwing him BP. Ugh. 2 in a row now... :bang:

[TheBurn]

B-2-B :(

[reds44]

Nice crowd from the best fans in baseball.

[Matt700wlw]

Pull him now. Make a point.

Sam LeCure can take over.

[Red in Chicago]

berkman sold his soul this year

[kbrake]

Pull him now. Make a point.

Sam LeCure can take over.

Its a .500 team. Its tough to make a point by singling out one player. Lot more problems on this team than just Volquez, though I completely understand your frustration.

[Kc61]

Arroyo goes tomorrow.

Ok, time for the Brewers.

[REDblooded]

This team is brutal to watch...

[reds44]

Its a .500 team. Its tough to make a point by singling out one player. Lot more problems on this team than just Volquez, though I completely understand your frustration.
I know this is a foreign idea to the Reds brass, but you could always, you know, try fixing some of these problems.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Aaron Boone lets all know Tony LaRussa likes having Albert Pujols back.

Thanks for that brilliant piece of info.

They don't call him the best color guy in the business for nothing!

(a nod to my favorite baseball movie right there :D)

[reds44]

Berkman's homer went 452 feet, a Busch Stadium record.

[kbrake]

I know this is a foreign idea to the Reds brass, but you could always, you know, try fixing some of these problems.

I think that is my biggest problem right now. It is hard to keep watching this stuff. A couple tweaks could make a big difference. They might not but I'd really appreciate the effort.

[klw]

I was going to joke that at least Volquez was only giving up homers and not walking anyone but then that fell by the wayside.

[TOBTTReds]

Berkman's homer went 452 feet, a Busch Stadium record.

How do they measure that? Telling me Pujols hasn't hit one that far the last few years?

[reds44]

I think that is my biggest problem right now. It is hard to keep watching this stuff. A couple tweaks could make a big difference. They might not but I'd really appreciate the effort.
Bringing up Willis for Volquez and Cozart for half of that suckfest at SS has been obvious for seriously over a month now.

And they refuse to do it.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

I know this is a foreign idea to the Reds brass, but you could always, you know, try fixing some of these problems.

If they were going to be proactive to solve this mess, they probably would have done something by now. This is insane watching the same players produce the same results game after game after game and all we get out of Walt is "we're happy with what we have."

[kbrake]

How do they measure that? Telling me Pujols hasn't hit one that far the last few years?

I think the more appropriate question is, has David Weathers ever pitched to Pujols in that stadium?

[TOBTTReds]

Bringing up Willis for Volquez and Cozart for half of that suckfest at SS has been obvious for seriously over a month now.

And they refuse to do it.

Their stuborness is killing me.

[Kc61]

I would let Volquez take the mound in the second, let him warm up, then stroll to the mound and hand him his DFA papers.

He isn't getting better. He doesn't have a long term deal. Cut him loose.

[CTA513]

I think the more appropriate question is, has David Weathers ever pitched to Pujols in that stadium?

yes and if I remember correctly he hit a walk off homer off him.

[reds44]

If they were going to be proactive to solve this mess, they probably would have done something by now. This is insane watching the same players produce the same results game after game after game and all we get out of Walt is "we're happy with what we have."
Dusty was quoted before the game saying "we're about to break out, I just know it."

That's a real quote, btw.

[reds44]

Reds will lose 4-3 tonight, win tomorrow 10-1, and everything will be fine.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Reds will lose 4-3 tonight, win tomorrow 10-1, and everything will be fine.

Sadly, that's true.

[reds44]

lol

[Joseph]

Don't post much in game threads so forgive me this intrusion my Reds fan brethren, but I'm simply tired of watching Volquez pitch. Even when he's mediocre he's not inspiring any confidence its going to be better anytime soon. The best we can hope for it seems like is a 4.50 ERA out of him each game [6IP 4 ER seems to be a repeated line from him of late].

Where's Willis? Hell where's Scott Carroll? I'll take just about anything over EV right now.

[kbrake]

That was a solid half inning. This offense is just about to take off. I can feel it.

[reds44]

Don't post much in game threads so forgive me this intrusion my Reds fan brethren, but I'm simply tired of watching Volquez pitch. Even when he's mediocre he's not inspiring any confidence its going to be better anytime soon. The best we can hope for it seems like is a 4.50 ERA out of him each game [6IP 4 ER seems to be a repeated line from him of late].

Where's Willis? Hell where's Scott Carroll? I'll take just about anything over EV right now.
Willis is hanging out with Cozart in the blatantly obvious moves that need to be made but continue to not be boat.

[Joseph]

Dusty was quoted before the game saying "we're about to break out, I just know it."

That's a real quote, btw.

Quoted before which game? Sounds like a quote for about the last 20 games.

[OldXOhio]

This has the makings of a bad blowout loss.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Meanwhile, the "NL's best offense" again goes out 1-2-3 in the easiest possible fashion.

[WebScorpion]

Reds will lose 4-3 tonight, win tomorrow 10-1, and everything will be fine.Actually they look like they're gonna lose 10-1 tonight and if they win when Arroyo's pitching tomorrow it'll have to be 11-10. :dunno:

[Kc61]

Reds will lose 4-3 tonight, win tomorrow 10-1, and everything will be fine.

I fear that this time Reds will be swept. Arroyo, the home run leader, goes tomorrow.

Hope I'm wrong.

[reds44]

Actually they look like they're gonna lose 10-1 tonight and if they win when Arroyo's pitching tomorrow it'll have to be 11-10. :dunno:
Volquez will give up 4 runs in 5-6 innings, bullpen will shut them down.

[Matt700wlw]

Volquez, I give you permission to hit Molina

[reds44]

Stellar throw from Ozzie Janish.

[CTA513]

This has the makings of a bad blowout loss.

If it gets bad enough Janish might get a chance to lower his career ERA.

[TOBTTReds]

Quoted before which game? Sounds like a quote for about the last 20 games.

Actually it was "exploding" according to McAlister:


LanceMcAlister Lance McAlister
Dusty: "we are close to exploding....i can feel it" Inside pitch w/ marty

[reds44]

Maybe they had a big pregame meal.

[reds44]

Now that was a good play.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice play by Janish

[TOBTTReds]

Stellar throw from Ozzie Janish.

How bout that one? If you are going to criticize Janish's D, your not seeing the trees through the forest (hate that cliche, but it works)

[kbrake]

The quotes from Dusty and Walt just annoy the hell out of me. I'm having a hard time even enjoying watching games at this point.

[Matt700wlw]

How fitting. Can't retire the pitcher wo was 2 for 33 going into that at bat

[reds44]

How bout that one? If you are going to criticize Janish's D, your not seeing the trees through the forest (hate that cliche, but it works)


Now that was a good play.

[WebScorpion]

Now that was a good play.That was standard everyday Janish...most SS can get to that, but very few can make the throw. :thumbup:

[TOBTTReds]

I gotchya 44. Typed at same time. You were fair there.

[Kc61]

Volquez is brutal these days.

[OldXOhio]

Sutcliffe: "Volquez has been around and is smart enough to know better than to locate pitches there..."

Is he Rick? Clearly you haven't been watching many Reds games this year.

[reds44]

Sigh.

Has nothing to do with his intelligence. He's just bad.

[Matt700wlw]

ok, nevermind. 3 outs now

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

That was standard everyday Janish...most SS can get to that, but very few can make the throw. :thumbup:

That's just not enough anymore. I'll sacrifice a little D in order to get some semblance of offense. Maybe in a loaded lineup Janish can hide in the 8 hole and nobody will notice, but on this offense he's only magnifying the ineptitude.

[OldXOhio]

The quotes from Dusty and Walt just annoy the hell out of me. I'm having a hard time even enjoying watching games at this point.

They'll get more stern in their comments....when the team's 8 games out of first.

[TOBTTReds]

Sigh.

Has nothing to do with his intelligence. He's just bad.

Side note: Notice how Sutcliff had nothing to say about Boone's comment on the mullett. Nice awkward moments there.

[kbrake]

Ok if this offense looks as explosive as it did the first two innings I'm switching to Nancy Grace at 8 so I can at least see someone look like they are fired up.

[reds44]

Side note: Notice how Sutcliff had nothing to say about Boone's comment on the mullett. Nice awkward moments there.
hahahaha.

Sutcliff always sounds like he's half in the bag.

[reds44]

Ok if this offense looks as explosive as it did the first two innings I'm switching to Nancy Grace at 8 so I can at least see someone look like they are fired up.
Might as well flip now because due up is:

Good AB, still an out.
Out
Out
Stirkeout

[TOBTTReds]

nm

[Plus Plus]

I would like to give yet another game thread warning that excessive or baseless player criticism can and will lead to disciplinary action.

It isn't that hard to be mature and civil, folks.

[WebScorpion]

Sigh.

Has nothing to do with his intelligence. He's just bad.I think it has everything to do with his intelligence. The Berkman HR was because he was looking for a first pitch fastball and Volquez gave him (a hittable) one. A smart pitcher doesn't give Berkman a first pitch fastball there. Berkman just outguessed him. A pitcher needs to outthink the hitters...being predictable is a pitchers bane. Couple that with questionable control and you have 2011 Volquez. :(

[reds44]

I think it has everything to do with his intelligence. The Berkman HR was because he was looking for a first pitch fastball and Volquez gave him (a hittable) one. A smart pitcher doesn't give Berkman a first pitch fastball there. Berkman just outguessed him. A pitcher needs to outthink the hitters...being predictable is a pitchers bane. Couple that with questionable control and you have 2011 Volquez. :(
Everybody looks first pitch fastball, especially with a guy with no control.

[Rojo]

I just checked and Volquez has now given up 8 hr's in 16 first innings. His era in the first is 12. After that he's ok until the sixth when most pitchers tire.

Somebody's gotta figure that one out....in Louisville.

[reds44]

It's not like Volquez goes up there and is thinking "okay, I'm going to throw a hanging changeup up and in to Holliday." He just has no idea how to locate.

[kbrake]

I'd like to see Cozart do that.

[Red in Chicago]

thom and chris having an electric debate about opening day being a city holiday...really...

[TOBTTReds]

thom and chris having an electric debate about opening day being a city holiday...really...

Flip to ESPN. You won't hear any dissapointment in their voices.

[kbrake]

thom and chris having an electric debate about opening day being a city holiday...really...

I did see they had a petition at GABP on Sunday for that issue.

[reds44]

I think everyday should be a holiday.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

I just checked and Volquez has now given up 8 hr's in 16 first innings. His era in the first is 12. After that he's ok until the sixth when most pitchers tire.

Somebody's gotta figure that one out....in Louisville.

This isn't even the first time he's given up back-to-back HRs in the first inning. We've already crossed that off the list. Now we can cross off longest HR in ballpark history of the list.

What next while we eternally wait for him to figure it out?

[WebScorpion]

Nice bunt by Volquez. :clap:

[reds44]

Wonder what is coming here....

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Wonder what is coming here....

Oh the cornicopia of possibilities ...

[Quatitos]

Wonder what is coming here....

Some flavor of unearned run for Garcia?

[Matt700wlw]

13 scoreless innings to begin this series for the potent Cincinnati Reds offense.

[kbrake]

Heading to the store be back soon. They're just about to explode I know it.

[TOBTTReds]

This isn't even the first time he's given up back-to-back HRs in the first inning. We've already crossed that off the list. Now we can cross off longest HR in ballpark history of the list.

What next while we eternally wait for him to figure it out?

Actually the third time I think? Opening day and once verse the Pirates.

[reds44]

15 innings since the Reds last scored.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

13 scoreless innings to begin this series for the potent Cincinnati Reds offense.

Best in the NL!

[WebScorpion]

Wonder what is coming here....A Corona commercial? :D

[TOBTTReds]

So glad I have somewhere to go tonight. I'm out! Haha, you guys are sooo unlucky you get to watch.

[Big Klu]

berkman sold his soul this year

Berkman is playing Faust to TLR's Mephistopheles.

[reds44]

Reds scored 7 runs on Sunday, 6 of the RBIs came from guys not in the lineup tonight lol

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Reds scored 7 runs on Sunday, 6 of the RBIs came from guys not in the lineup tonight lol

Or last night, except for Fred.

[Matt700wlw]

Dan Schulman and Rick Sutcliffe don't know who "Good Charlotte" is.

[reds44]

Or last night, except for Fred.
Renteria too.

[reds44]

Dan Schulman and Rick Sutcliffe don't know who "Good Charlotte" is.
Sutcliffe is too busy drinking to listen to music.

[Matt700wlw]

Volquez K's someone.

[WebScorpion]

K!

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Renteria too.

Ah yes, I don't know how I forgot about him.

[Big Klu]

Dan Schulman and Rick Sutcliffe don't know who "Good Charlotte" is.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtfE9XcWMbtA7Vaf-uK9LGt1QWTe-jW4sWW4_3y_HOtG5sTPWicw&t=1

[Matt700wlw]

1-2-3 for Volquez

[WebScorpion]

He just looks timid against Holliday and Berkman...if Holliday steps out on him one more time he should plunk him in the middle of the back. :angry:

[reds44]

Leadoff double!

[Matt700wlw]

Phillips! Now come on!!!!

[WebScorpion]

Leadoff double!Thank you fan interference. ;)

[reds44]

Is Stubbs really on pace for 271 Ks?

[WebScorpion]

Votto grounds out, but keeps it on the right side so Phillips moves over to third.

[Big Klu]

Dan Schulman and Rick Sutcliffe don't know who "Good Charlotte" is.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRB8V3BzMxSAFHgdreikJiuViKrz4-50RukN8ICBWrRzLs9TwlpWtELrx9RSA

[reds44]

Hey!

[Matt700wlw]

Get 'em how you can get 'em

[Joseph]

Look at that, a run!

[Big Klu]

Bruce's average falls below .260 with that groundout.

[jojo]

Chris cant decide whether the Reds should play small ball or long ball...

[Matt700wlw]

Chris cant decide whether the Reds should play small ball or long ball...

At this point, let's just play ball.

[Big Klu]

Chris cant decide whether the Reds should play small ball or long ball...

The correct answer to that is "Yes."

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Chris cant decide whether the Reds should play small ball or long ball...

Waiting around for the 3-run bomb is what's killing this team. They've got to get back to manufacturing runs. As unexciting as that run was there, had it happened at any point last night, there's a good chance the Reds win (or at least don't lose like they did).

[Matt700wlw]

Tony probably thought that was intentional, or at least Dave Duncan probably did.

[jojo]

Shouldn't rbis be like tackles? Rolen and Votto should be credited with .5 rbi on that one....

[kbrake]

How did Rolen get BP in?

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Shouldn't rbis be like tackles? Rolen and Votto should be credited with .5 rbi on that one....

Then what would happen if Rolen went deep after Votto advanced the runner? 1.5 RBIs for Rolen and .5 for Votto?

[reds44]

How did Rolen get BP in?
Grounded out.

[reds44]

Then what would happen if Rolen went deep after Votto advanced the runner? 1.5 RBIs for Rolen and .5 for Votto?
I've seen the Bears give Urlacher 2 tackles on one play before.

[Matt700wlw]

Boone throwing out OPS and OBP and I think Schulman and Sutcliffe are confused.

[kbrake]

Grounded out.

Thank you sir.

[jojo]

Then what would happen if Rolen went deep after Votto advanced the runner? 1.5 RBIs for Rolen and .5 for Votto?

Well then Rolen gets the whole rbi because Votto's awesome team out would revert back to just an ordinary out.

[reds44]

Aaron Boone just said a team with the 3rd best record in baseball is a disappointment.

[Big Klu]

I've seen the Bears give Urlacher 2 tackles on one play before.

Probably because Urlacher actually did tackle two people on the play.

[jojo]

What was the pig's name in Green Acres?

[Matt700wlw]

Volquez has settled down...

[reds44]

What was the pig's name in Green Acres?
Nancy Grace?

[jojo]

Nancy Grace?

I'd pay $49.99 to see Grace and Anthony go 10 rounds in a cage match...

[Big Klu]

What was the pig's name in Green Acres?

Arnold Ziffle.


And FYI to Thom and Chris, it was Eva Gabor who played Lisa Douglas, not her sister Zsa Zsa.

[kbrake]

I'd pay $49.99 to see Grace and Anthony go 10 rounds in a cage match...

I'll second this.

[reds44]

Thirded but only if Nancy Grace isn't allowed to talk and Casey Anthony is drunk.

[reds44]

Thank God Pujols' wrist felt good enough for HIM TO RUN THE BASES

[BCubb2003]

Arnold Ziffle.


And FYI to Thom and Chris, it was Eva Gabor who played Lisa Douglas, not her sister Zsa Zsa.

Dayton's Gordon Jump of "WKRP" played a salesman on "Green Acres."

[jojo]

While Chris is hedging, I am suggesting that having Janish bunt to set up a two out, man on second scenario for Volquez is a bad idea....

[kbrake]

Thank God Pujols' wrist felt good enough for HIM TO RUN THE BASES

I hope George Grande is watching the ESPN feed for tonight's game. He has to be in heaven.

[reds44]

Holy Volquez!

[reds44]

Great can't wait for people to rip on him for not being on second.

[edabbs44]

E to the V with the two bagger. I mean, one bagger.

Drew, let's friggin go.

[Captain Hook]

Great can't wait for people to rip on him for not being on second.

I'm not sure why he's not on second.

[signalhome]

Great can't wait for people to rip on him for not being on second.

Haha

[edabbs44]

I'm not sure why he's not on second.

Seriously. Not really much of a reason why he isn't.

[reds44]

I'm not sure why he's not on second.
Cause he's slow?

[jojo]

Cause he's slow?

Unacceptable. He should've studied harder.

[JaxRed]

Stubbs could ease a lot of pain with a longball here

[edabbs44]

Cause he's slow?

Bengie Molina, 8 months prego with Cecil Fielder's child, could have made it to 2nd there.

[reds44]

Bengie Molina, 8 months prego with Cecil Fielder's child, could have made it to 2nd there.
Wanna bet?

[reds44]

Doesn't matter. Please everyone move on now.

[edabbs44]

Wanna bet?

Let me see if Bengie is willing to have Cecil's kid first.

[kbrake]

Went to the store 2 innings ago for some Captain. BP hits this one out and I'll be drinking it for a completely different reason.

[Captain Hook]

Doesn't matter. Please everyone move on now.

You brought it up.:confused:

[reds44]

I hope Phillips hits a grand slam and drops his pants at Molina as he touches home.

[Big Klu]

I'm surprised Volquez made it to second on Stubbs' walk.

[kbrake]

I'm surprised Volquez made it to second on Stubbs' walk.

lol.

[reds44]

I'm surprised Volquez made it to second on Stubbs' walk.

well done lol

[Captain Hook]

I'm surprised Volquez made it to second on Stubbs' walk.

That's really funny:lol:

[reds44]

He was safe!

[kbrake]

2011 rolls on.

[reds44]

No he wasn't.

[WebScorpion]

He was safe!...and he hurt his ankle. :(

[jojo]

That at bat by Phillips could be the season.

[reds44]

That at bat by Phillips could be the season.
huh?

[Captain Hook]

No he wasn't.

It was close though.Seems like the easier out was at first, not that it matters.

[kbrake]

That at bat by Phillips could be the season.

That AB, the Damon ball falling in last week, the hit in the 8th yesterday this season has been off by an inch or two all year.

[edabbs44]

huh?

He meant the decade.

[reds44]

He meant the decade.
Time to fold the franchise lol

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Brewers down 4-0 to the snakes

Pirates up 3-1 over the the disAstros

[jojo]

huh?

It might even have ramifications for the next two or three seasons.

[jojo]

Chris thinks baseball should turn the page on steroids.

[BCubb2003]

At this rate, things are unlikely to continue at this rate.

[Redsfan320]

Haven't seen/heard any of the game, just got home and came here. Who hurt their ankle? Judging by the pbp here, I can guess it was either Volq or Stubby.

320

[reds44]

9 errors on Ozzie.

[Homer Bailey]

Janish's D continues to be overrated.

[Big Klu]

9 errors on Ozzie.

And an additional 8 on Harriet.

[Cedric]

Janish is the worst everyday player on a decent team I've ever watched. I hope soon he is banished to AAA and never heard from again.

[WebScorpion]

Haven't seen/heard any of the game, just got home and came here. Who hurt their ankle? Judging by the pbp here, I can guess it was either Volq or Stubby.

320Stubbs was wincing and limping as he came off second base, but he seems to have shaken it off. :dunno:

[Big Klu]

Haven't seen/heard any of the game, just got home and came here. Who hurt their ankle? Judging by the pbp here, I can guess it was either Volq or Stubby.

320

It looked like Stubbs jammed his ankle a little bit as he slid into second base on Phillips grounder. But he appears to be OK.

[kbrake]

How we looking?

[edabbs44]

Holliday just went for the jugular.

[Matt700wlw]

That will probably do it.

[WebScorpion]

Told ya he should have plunked him. :(

[Cedric]

Holliday looks like the Hulk out there.. Wow he is gigantic.

[Big Klu]

Janish is the worst everyday player on a decent team I've ever watched. I hope soon he is banished to AAA and never heard from again.

Can he take Volquez with him?

[Joseph]

How we looking?

Not good.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

So after a month of flirting with it, the Reds are now below .500.

Still "happy" Walt? Still think things are going to turn around Dusty?

This team is a train wreck. A really bad one.

[reds44]

Walt and Dusty asked for this inning. An awful error by an awful player followed by an awful pitcher giving up a homer.

[edabbs44]

9 errors on Ozzie.

I think espn was wrong, he has 8 now.

Interestingly enough, the only shortstops in baseball with more errors in less innings are Jed Lowrie and Eduardo Nunez. Lofty company.

[Matt700wlw]

Volquez absolutely can't handle adversity.

He's not a big league pitcher.

[jojo]

This sets up a stunning comeback opportunity.

[Plus Plus]

Was there this much anti-Volquez sentiment in the Rays game?

[reds44]

Was there this much anti-Volquez sentiment in the Rays game?
Why would there be? He pitched well in that game.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Volquez absolutely can't handle adversity.

He's not a big league pitcher.

Broken record from Walt/Dusty: Let's see how he regroups in five days in Milwaukee. :rolleyes:

[Cedric]

Broken record from Walt/Dusty: Let's see how he regroups in five days in Milwaukee. :rolleyes:

Dusty has nothing to do with the starting rotation.

[edabbs44]

So after a month of flirting with it, the Reds are now below .500.

Still "happy" Walt? Still think things are going to turn around Dusty?

This team is a train wreck. A really bad one.

Prediction...make all the changes you want right now, it will result in more of the same. Then the blame will be shifted to the lack of activity this offseason.

Every night it is a new candidate for the goat. Stubbs, Bruce, BP for a bit, LF, SS, the only guys with zero liability this season are really Votto, Ramon and Cordero. When there are that many guys falling down, it's hard to make enough changes to really make a difference.

[Matt700wlw]

Why would there be? He pitched well in that game.

Even bad pitchers have good days.

[jojo]

Was there this much anti-Volquez sentiment in the Rays game?

I'm willing to rag on Gomes for a while if you want some balance in the thread.... :D

[jojo]

Dusty has nothing to do with the starting rotation.

I bet Price has a ton of control over the staff.

[Kc61]

Watch the scoreboard for the Cubs and Astros scores.

[Matt700wlw]

What's Dick Pole up to these days?


:D

[jojo]

Votto robbed by Schumaker and he just takes it.

[edabbs44]

What's Dick Pole up to these days?


:D

Loaded question...

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Prediction...make all the changes you want right now, it will result in more of the same. Then the blame will be shifted to the lack of activity this offseason.

Every night it is a new candidate for the goat. Stubbs, Bruce, BP for a bit, LF, SS, the only guys with zero liability this season are really Votto, Ramon and Cordero. When there are that many guys falling down, it's hard to make enough changes to really make a difference.

That's not true. The goat is usually always from this group: Volquez, Janish, Renteria, Gomes, Stubbs.

Gomes' decent last three weeks included, I don't think anyone on that list should be on this club right now.

[Captain Hook]

I know it's probably not how things really are but it seems like the Reds get guys on base all day long but fail to get runs.Other teams seem to get shut down inning after inning and then get a bloop hit and a walk, then boom, three run jack.

[jojo]

What's Dick Pole up to these days?


:D

He's retired and writing a pitching manual explaining his philosophy that most strikeouts are accidents.

[Cedric]

That's not true. The goat is usually always from this group: Volquez, Janish, Renteria, Gomes, Stubbs.

Gomes' decent last three weeks included, I don't think anyone on that list should be on this club right now.

It was apparent by March that Walt Jocketty failed miserably this off season. I'm not into excuses for why someone can't build a good team. Just get it done. He didn't at all.

[Kc61]

Bruce may be below .250 by the All Star game.

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds may be dead by the All-Star game.

Then again, they could beat up on Milwaukee and be right there.

[jojo]

It was apparent by March that Walt Jocketty failed miserably this off season. I'm not into excuses for why someone can't build a good team. Just get it done. He didn't at all.

He should be more like Jack Zduriencik.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Even bad pitchers have good days.

True, but it's usually when they're facing the Reds lineup.

See: Reyes, Morrow, Nova, Garcia, Jakubauskas, Masterson, Herrmann

[edabbs44]

That's not true. The goat is usually always from this group: Volquez, Janish, Renteria, Gomes, Stubbs.

Gomes' decent last three weeks included, I don't think anyone on that list should be on this club right now.

Those are the standard targets of the board. You are forgetting quite a few in reality.

[kbrake]

It was apparent by March that Walt Jocketty failed miserably this off season. I'm not into excuses for why someone can't build a good team. Just get it done. He didn't at all.

Walt can only spend what is available to him. I understand the frustration by people for his lack of effort during the season but I don't think he had a ton of options in the offseason.

[Cedric]

Walt can only spend what is available to him. I understand the frustration by people for his lack of effort during the season but I don't think he had a ton of options in the offseason.

M2 used to always say "just get it done."

Excuses are weak.

[reds44]

The fact that Stubbs are Bruce are targets on this board shows the lack of intelligence on a message board rather than their actual performances as players. Gomes, might be a bit of a different story.

Janish and Volquez are really really just bad.

[reds44]

Walt can only spend what is available to him. I understand the frustration by people for his lack of effort during the season but I don't think he had a ton of options in the offseason.
That's fine, but Janish and Willis aren't expensive.

[Kc61]

Not that it matters but why is V still pitching in this game?

Is the theory he's been ok except for the three homers he allowed?

Is this pitching practice?

[jojo]

Not that it matters but why is V still pitching in this game?

Is the theory he's been ok except for the three homers he allowed?

Is this pitching practice?

He's only just barely over 80 pitches.

[edabbs44]

The fact that Stubbs are Bruce are targets on this board shows the lack of intelligence on a message board rather than their actual performances as players. Gomes, might be a bit of a different story.

Janish and Volquez are really really just bad.

I think you are confusing talent and performance.

[Kc61]

The fact that Stubbs are Bruce are targets on this board shows the lack of intelligence on a message board rather than their actual performances as players. Gomes, might be a bit of a different story.

Janish and Volquez are really really just bad.

Thanks for the critique on intellect. We all really needed that.

[Captain Hook]

Walt can only spend what is available to him. I understand the frustration by people for his lack of effort during the season but I don't think he had a ton of options in the offseason.

I wouldn't want his job.He's asked to build a winner but can't trade for an established player because they make too much money,can't sign an established player because they make too much money and will likely loose the best player in baseball because he will make too much money.I blame the Yankees.

[Matt700wlw]

At least Volquez didn't sign that LTC that he was offered.....not very bright on his part

[Big Klu]

Bruce may be below .250 by the All Star game.

He rode an incredibly hot month of May into an All-Star appearance, while a more deserving candidate (IMO) in Andrew McCutchen got shut out.

[Kc61]

He's only just barely over 80 pitches.

Seems to me he's allowed five runs. Maybe time for someone else. Anyone else.

[reds44]

I think you are confusing talent and performance.
Jay Bruce: 121 OPS+, great defensive
Drew Stubbs: 98 OPS + (and he's in a big slump right now, but still average), really really good defense.

Paul Janish: 43 OPS+, good defense
Edinson Volquez: 69 ERA+

I am not the confused one.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Walt can only spend what is available to him. I understand the frustration by people for his lack of effort during the season but I don't think he had a ton of options in the offseason.

There are options available to him in AAA that won't cost a thing. And, as GM, he should be able to do something about Chris Heisey's lack of playing time. It's outrageous and borderline delusional for Dusty to think that this club, as currently constructed, is just days away from reeling off a serious winning streak. And Walt's stated contentedness with this roster ("We're happy with what we have") is beyond ridiculous. And each error that Janish makes further devalues Jocketty's argument that he is contributing in valuable ways other than offense.

[jojo]

Seems to me he's allowed five runs. Maybe time for someone else. Anyone else.

The Reds pen already is amongst the league leaders in innings thrown.... I don't mind EV acting like a middle reliever.

[kbrake]

There are options available to him in AAA that won't cost a thing. And, as GM, he should be able to do something about Chris Heisey's lack of playing time. It's outrageous and borderline delusional for Dusty to think that this club, as currently constructed, is just days away from reeling off a serious winning streak. And Walt's stated contentedness with this roster ("We're happy with what we have" is beyond ridiculous. And each error that Janish makes further devalues Jocketty's argument that he is contributing in valuable ways other than offense.

I agree on the minor league options. I'm fully on board with blaming that. I don't think Heisey makes a difference.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

At least Volquez didn't sign that LTC that he was offered.....not very bright on his part

Right now the highlight of the 2011 Reds season has to be the day that Edinson Volquez rejected a long-term contract with this club.

[edabbs44]

Jay Bruce: 121 OPS+, great defensive
Drew Stubbs: 98 OPS + (and he's in a big slump right now, but still average), really really good defense.

Paul Janish: 43 OPS+, good defense
Edinson Volquez: 69 ERA+

I am not the confused one.

This team needs Jay to do more than blow up 1 out of 3+ months. Anyone with eyes can see that he is hurting this team.

Drew's "OPS+" is right around his career average, so I'm not buying that any sort of slump is affecting his numbers.

Totally agree on Janish and Volquez. To be honest, I've been on them for a while. I could see Janish coming a mile away but never thought EV would be this bad. I thought he'd be mid 4s era.

[Big Klu]

I was assured after Volquez's last start that since Hanigan was catching EV instead of Ramon, Volquez would be good.

Maybe who's catching (as long as he isn't a complete butcher) doesn't matter as much as who's pitching.

[edabbs44]

Right now the highlight of the 2011 Reds season has to be the day that Edinson Volquez rejected a long-term contract with this club.

A pic of him hanging up the phone would be great on the cover of the dvd.

[edabbs44]

I was assured after Volquez's last start that since Hanigan was catching EV instead of Ramon, Volquez would be good.

Maybe who's catching (as long as he isn't a complete butcher) doesn't matter as much as who's pitching.

Yeah, not hearing much of that tonight since the 1st inning.

[kbrake]

I thought it would be 2018 before I was looking forward to Ohio State football again. At least the Reds have fixed that.