8.23.11 Reds @Marlins

[klw]

cueto v nolasco

Phillips 4,
Sappelt 7,
Bruce 9,
Cairo 5,
Alonso 3,
Stubbs 8,
Hernandez 2,
Janish 6,
Cueto RHP

v. Ricky Nolasco, RHP
9-9, 4.25 ERA

With one strikeout, Nolasco will set the franchise mark of 758, surpassing Dontrelle Willis. Nolasco is coming off a historically poor performance, having given up a club-record 11 runs to the Rockies on Wednesday.



Clearly Votto is about to be Pipped.
At least Janish isn't hitting 4th.

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/2011/08/23/votto-rested-alonso-at-1b/

*A rare day off for Joey Votto, his first since July 25. Since that breather, he was batting .356 (32-for-90, with 9 HR, 21 RBIs). This is a chance for Miami native and former Univ. of Miami star Yonder Alonso to start in front of his hometown at his natural position. When the clubhouse opens, I will of course make sure to see what’s going on with Votto.

(**Just checked that Votto is 3-for-13 or .231 lifetime vs. Marlins starter Ricky Nolasco.)

*This week is the last time the Reds will be at the stadium known as Sun Life, Dolphin, Land Shark, Pro Player and Joe Robbie. Entering tonight, they are 37-34 there. The Marlins will open next season at a new ballpark on the site of the old Orange Bowl.

[reds1869]

Clearly Votto is about to be Pipped.
At least Janish isn't hitting 4th.

:laugh:

[Redsfan320]

Marlins website showing we are POSTPONED due to rain.

320

[reds1869]

Marlins website showing we are POSTPONED due to rain.

320

yep. They've moved tomorrow's game to 4 P.M. but there is no way I see that game even starting.

[oneupper]

Marlins website showing we are POSTPONED due to rain.

320

Really? It was raining earlier, but not now. Hurricane Irene is expected to pass well east of here.

Thursday was supposed to be storm day.

[lollipopcurve]

Thursday's game moved to Wednesday -- doubleheader starting at 4pm. Tonight is on as scheduled.

[reds1869]

Tonight is on as scheduled.

That is good to know. MLB.com was listing the game as PPD earlier.

[The Operator]

Alonso just hit a deep HR. Nice to see. 1-0 Reds

[The Operator]

Cueto works out of trouble in the 2nd. Still 1-0

[The Operator]

Alonso drives in run #2 with a grounder up the middle. 2-0 good guys

[klw]

Alonso drives in run #2 with a grounder up the middle. 2-0 good guys

Votto definitely getting Pipped. 2-0 Reds into the 4th. cueto with 72 pitches through 3 thanks to 5 walks

[Kc61]

Reds trail 3-2 after five. Error, runners moving up on throws, long double for Marlins.

Maybe Alonso or pinch hitter Votto will come up soon.

[Kc61]

Two on for Reds in the sixth following Alonso walk. No outs.

Stubbs loads bases with bunt.

Razor pops out. Janish DP. Great.

[WVRedsFan]

I hate to say it, but Janish's defense does not make up his futility at the plate. He belongs in AAA.

[alloverjr]

That's kinda hard to do.

3 on no out, score zilch.

[Kc61]

That's kinda hard to do.

3 on no out, score zilch.

Reds tend to go quietly with men on base.

Of course, Dusty could have hit Votto for Janish. Frazier could have then played SS.

Now Lecure gives up infield hit.

[nate]

Reds tend to go quietly with men on base.

Well, then so does most of the league as the Reds' OPS+ with men on is 111.

[Kc61]

Well, then so does most of the league as the Reds' OPS+ with men on is 111.

As the Reds head to another loss, now trailing 5-2, I don't feel like looking up a bunch of stats to argue with you.

But if this is a good clutch hitting team, I'd hate to see a bad one.

[WVRedsFan]

My guess is in the blowouts, the Reds OPS big time and the rest of the time not so much. Like Kc61, I don't feel like looking it up. The bottom line is they are losing and no stats will erase that. They can OPS 1.250 and if they are losing, it makes no difference.

[WVRedsFan]

Bcuce homers to make it 5-4 with Sappelt on base. Nice

[RedsManRick]

Bruce is one strong dude. Votto would've gone to LF with that.

[oneupper]

Bruce almost went yard oppo on the previous pitch. Just foul.

[Kc61]

Whatever the clutch stats, Dusty's decision to let Janish hit with the bases loaded really burns.

[oneupper]

From the Marlins' transmission:

Yonder's sister was a "mermaid" (cheerleader) for the Marlins.

[WVRedsFan]

Whatever the clutch stats, Dusty's decision to let Janish hit with the bases loaded really burns.Totally agree. the biggest sin, however is ever starting him. That is a big black hole in the lineup. Of course, that is IMHO.

[nate]

My guess is in the blowouts, the Reds OPS big time and the rest of the time not so much. Like Kc61, I don't feel like looking it up. The bottom line is they are losing and no stats will erase that. They can OPS 1.250 and if they are losing, it makes no difference.



Split sOPS+
2 outs RISP 82
Late Close 98
Tie Game 98
Within 1 R 107
Within 2 R 102
Within 3 R 106
Within 4 R 107
Margin 4 R 100
Ahead 103
Behind 114


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Generated 8/23/2011.

[WVRedsFan]

Reds go quietly in the 8th and with what is coming up, I guess we might as well end another losing streak for the opposition

[nate]

As the Reds head to another loss, now trailing 5-2, I don't feel like looking up a bunch of stats to argue with you.

But if this is a good clutch hitting team, I'd hate to see a bad one.

"Men on" and "clutch" are two different things.

[WVRedsFan]

Split sOPS+
2 outs RISP 82
Late Close 98
Tie Game 98
Within 1 R 107
Within 2 R 102
Within 3 R 106
Within 4 R 107
Margin 4 R 100
Ahead 103
Behind 114


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Generated 8/23/2011.Like I said, if they're losing what difference does it make? They could bat .400, have an OBP of .400, and OPS high, and if they lose more than they win, it really doesn't matter.

[Kc61]

"Men on" and "clutch" are two different things.

Sorry if I'm not up on the technical nomenclature.

[nate]

Like I said, if they're losing what difference does it make? They could bat .400, have an OBP of .400, and OPS high, and if they lose more than they win, it really doesn't matter.

Well, the basis of your comment was wrong. I can understand your frustration with the season but the gloom supported by actual fact is bad enough without making up reasons to be gloomy.

If they tend to score more than they allow, there's something more to the losses than poor situational hitting.

[oneupper]

This is Yonder's sister:

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/fan_forum/mermaids_cards.jsp?mermaid=yainee

[WVRedsFan]

Masset's at it again!

[WVRedsFan]

This is Yonder's sister:

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/fan_forum/mermaids_cards.jsp?mermaid=yaineeWow.

[Kc61]

Well, the basis of your comment was wrong. I can understand your frustration with the season but the gloom supported by actual fact is bad enough without making up reasons to be gloomy.

If they tend to score more than they allow, there's something more to the losses than poor situational hitting.

Most games, they tend to allow more than they score.

[oneupper]

Poor throw by Stubbs allows Buck to score on the sac fly. 6-4 Fish.
Chapman in. Why? To get one out in a game down two?

[nate]

Most games, they tend to allow more than they score.

Mainly because the starting pitching is amongst the worst in the league rather than a product of "clutch" hitting.

[WVRedsFan]

Well, the basis of your comment was wrong. I can understand your frustration with the season but the gloom supported by actual fact is bad enough without making up reasons to be gloomy.

If they tend to score more than they allow, there's something more to the losses than poor situational hitting.I was just guessing. But my point is, like some of the teams way back when who hit well, but couldn't pitch, all that matters is wins and losses. Sorry to be so gloom and doom, but it's really frustrating to see the same things happen over and over again. Case in point: Nick Masset. Why Dusty left him in to face the lefty when Chapman was ready is really confusing to me.

[Kc61]

I have never seen a major league outfield throw home ineffectively and allow base runners to advance as much as the Reds.

I have never seen a major league team bring in relievers after the damage is done more than the Reds.

[Hollcat]

Is there no one left to pinch hit for janish in the bottom of the ninth?

[Kc61]

Mainly because the starting pitching is amongst the worst in the league rather than a product of "clutch" hitting.

Well, the hitting had better improve because pitching in GABP is no picnic. The pitching needs to get better, but if you are expecting a 3.50 ERA staff at GABP -- good luck.

And somebody ought to tell the Reds that they usually face RHP. So having three or four lefty hitters and a bunch of righty hackers won't work.

[Kc61]

Is there no one left to pinch hit for janish in the bottom of the ninth?

Hard to believe.

[oneupper]

Is there no one left to pinch hit for janish in the bottom of the ninth?

Lewis, Hanigan and Frazier all available, I believe.

[oneupper]

Nix that, Lewis was used already.

[Guacarock]

Renteria also still on the bench.

[WVRedsFan]

Tie game. Sappelt to the rescue

[oneupper]

Sappelt ties is with a double!

[oneupper]

Cards losing 11-0 to LA.

[WVRedsFan]

Miggy needs to come through here.

[HokieRed]

Sappelt starting to adjust. Next year's CF.

[WVRedsFan]

Cairo swinging for the fences and not connecting.

[WVRedsFan]

Horrible AB by Cairo.

[oneupper]

Yonder to show up his little sister.

[WVRedsFan]

Yonder to show up his little sister.Tough job.

[signalhome]

Tough job.

Challenge: accepted.

And accomplished.

[WVRedsFan]

Yonder is going to be a hitting star. We need him in this lineup.

[WVRedsFan]

BTW, Reds 8, Marlins 6 thanks to the two former farmhands.

[oneupper]

Put him on third. How bad can it be after seeing EE there?

[nate]

I was just guessing. But my point is, like some of the teams way back when who hit well, but couldn't pitch, all that matters is wins and losses. Sorry to be so gloom and doom, but it's really frustrating to see the same things happen over and over again. Case in point: Nick Masset. Why Dusty left him in to face the lefty when Chapman was ready is really confusing to me.

I can dig it.

[Kc61]

Nice job by Sapp and Alonso. Dusty and Cueto are off the hook.

[oneupper]

Stubbs legs out a grounder.

[WVRedsFan]

Man, can Stubbs run. Base hit. Come on, Ramon!

[nate]

Well, the hitting had better improve because pitching in GABP is no picnic. The pitching needs to get better, but if you are expecting a 3.50 ERA staff at GABP -- good luck.

And somebody ought to tell the Reds that they usually face RHP. So having three or four lefty hitters and a bunch of righty hackers won't work.

I don't really expect a "3.50 ERA" from a pitcher or pitchers.

I do expect them to be better than bottom tier in nearly all isolated pitching measures.

[WVRedsFan]

Hernandez grounds out weakly to the infield. Is a 2-run lead enough for CoCo?

[nate]

Top Ramon comes up al dente.

[oneupper]

Coco coming in.
Chapman threw all of 5 pitches.

[WVRedsFan]

Takes out Yonder. The hero. Man, Dusty is one strange dude.

[nate]

More people in the dugout or in the stands?

[oneupper]

Takes out Yonder. The hero. Man, Dusty is one strange dude.

Gotta double switch.

[nate]

Votto with the nice scoop there.

[WVRedsFan]

Reds win 8-6. Codero with a perfect ninth. Yonder and Sappelt with the big hits. OUtside of Cueto, Lecure and Masset, they acted like a different team in innings 7-9.

[Ron Madden]

My guess is in the blowouts, the Reds OPS big time and the rest of the time not so much. Like Kc61, I don't feel like looking it up. The bottom line is they are losing and no stats will erase that. They can OPS 1.250 and if they are losing, it makes no difference.

Just how many blowout wins have the Reds had this season?

Like Kc61, maybe you should look it up. The bottom line is that stats can tell us a pretty accurate story of the history of the season.

This is not an attack on you or Kc61 but it seems to me that fans with no faith in the stats never pay attention to the stats, never look'em up, they just brush them away as if being pestered by gnats, all the while muttering to themselves and all whoever will listen many false ideas of what they honestly believe to be true.

The Pitching has been more to blame than the Offense for this frustrating season. Like Ol' Casey Stengel said you can look it up. ;)
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[Ron Madden]

Here's the Box.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_08_23_cinmlb_flomlb_1&mode=box&c_id=cin

[traderumor]

Takes out Yonder. The hero. Man, Dusty is one strange dude.Which paid off immediately with Votto making a nice scoop on Stanton's ground ball. What is strange about double switching in a close game so he potentially has more than one inning from his reliever if needed?

I know of no managerial strategy of "leave in star of game until final out."

[westofyou]

Which paid off immediately with Votto making a nice scoop on Stanton's ground ball. What is strange about double switching in a close game so he potentially has more than one inning from his reliever if needed?

I know of no managerial strategy of "leave in star of game until final out."

Man, Dusty can't win for losing with this crowd.

They'd boo McGraw, pelt Mack with rotten fruit, deride Stengel for stupid platooning and bomb Weaver for double switching

[reds1869]

Man, Dusty can't win for losing with this crowd.

They'd boo McGraw, pelt Mack with rotten fruit, deride Stengel for stupid platooning and bomb Weaver for double switching

I agree. Not only did Dusty make a good move, it brought an immediate payoff. Criticizing the manager when he makes poor decisions is fine, but he also deserves praise when he gets it right. How anybody had a problem with putting Votto in the game is beyond me.