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klw
09-02-2011, 04:49 PM
How will I explain this lineup to my ...?

Brandon Phillips 4
Edgar Renteria 6
Joey Votto 3
Jay Bruce 9
Yonder Alonso 7
Drew Stubbs 8
Juan Francisco 5
Ramon Hernandez 2
Johnny Cueto 1

vs. RH Chris Carpenter
8-9, 3.76 ERA

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_09_02_cinmlb_slnmlb_1&mode=preview

• Taking the mound for the Cardinals is ace Chris Carpenter, who is coming off a rough outing against the Pirates in which he allowed six runs on nine hits in five innings. Carpenter has fared well against the Reds, however, and he has thrown back-to-back eight-inning outings against them with one run between the two. He boasts a career 14-4 record and 2.23 ERA against them in 22 games.

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

*Against Reds starter Johnny Cueto, Albert Pujols is batting .217 (5-for-23) and Lance Berkman is a .227 (5-for-22) hitter. Yadier Molina is hitting .318 (7-for-22). Cueto last faced the Cardinals and Chris Carpenter on July 15 at home and worked 7 ip, 5 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 K and was the victime of a blown save.

*The Reds are 7-5 vs. the Cardinals this season.

*It’s absolutely smoking at Busch Stadium this afternoon. The scoreboard temperature as of 3:15 pm local time read 99 degrees.

lollipopcurve
09-02-2011, 04:57 PM
Would never happen , but...

Phillips
Alonso
Votto
Hernandez
Bruce
Stubbs
Francisco
Renteria
Cueto

Benihana
09-02-2011, 05:03 PM
Whither Mesoraco?

fearofpopvol1
09-02-2011, 05:09 PM
I can understand why they aren't starting Mez today...but there really isn't a good reason to not start him tomorrow.

fearofpopvol1
09-02-2011, 05:10 PM
Whither Mesoraco?

Probably still learning the signs and such. There's no reason for him not to be in tomorrow.

Matt700wlw
09-02-2011, 05:36 PM
No problem with Mez not in there tonight. Shocked to see Alonso in there for the second night in a row.

CesarGeronimo
09-02-2011, 05:42 PM
No problem with Mez not in there tonight. Shocked to see Alonso in there for the second night in a row.

I think Walt is going to keep getting rid of left fielders until Dusty plays Alonso. Dusty can't put anybody else out there he doesn't want to lose.

indy_dave00
09-02-2011, 07:43 PM
Appears Devin Mesoraco may not start till Monday and catch Dontrell Willis.

klw
09-02-2011, 08:14 PM
Appears Devin Mesoraco may not start till Monday and catch Dontrell Willis.

Well they certainly should be familiar with each other.

mbgrayson
09-02-2011, 08:23 PM
Reds 1st:

Phillips Ks swinging at a bad 3-2 pitch.
Renteria walks on 4 straight.
Votto Ks swinging at an inside curve.
Bruce grounds out up the middle to Furcal.

After half an inning, Reds 0, Cards coming up.

Always Red
09-02-2011, 08:29 PM
what the heck is up with all of those empty seats in the Best Baseball Town in America? :confused:

mbgrayson
09-02-2011, 08:29 PM
Cardinals 1st:

Furcal grounds out to Votto.
Jay grounds out up the middle to Renteria, nice play.
Pujols Ks swinging on a low, inside, 95 mph fastball from Cueto.

After 1, no score.

Carpenter 17 pitches, 9 strikes.
Cueto 9 pitches, 6 strikes.

nate
09-02-2011, 08:29 PM
Chat is open!

mbgrayson
09-02-2011, 08:46 PM
Reds 2nd:

Alonso doubles down the left field line.
Stubbs bunts, Molina throws to 3rd, but Freese isn't back to the base yet, Alonso safe, Stubbs safe.
Francisco doubles down the right field line, both Alonso and Stubbs score.
Ramon grounds out to short, Francisco to third.
Cueto grounds out up the middle to Furcal, Francisco holds.
Phillips doubles off the wall in left center, Francisco scores.
Renteria flares one into short right past Pujols reach, Phillips scores.
Votto singles to right, Renteria to third.
Bruce lines a single up the middle, Renteria scores, Votto to 2nd.
Alonso grounds out to 2nd.

Reds bat around in the 2nd...sweet!

After one and a half, Reds 5, Cards 0.

Carpenter at 44 pitches, 30 strikes.

klw
09-02-2011, 08:48 PM
Reds 2nd:

Alonso doubles down the left field line.
Stubbs bunts, Molina throws to 3rd, but Freese is't back to the base yet, Alonso safe, Stubbs safe.
Francisco doubles down the right field line, both Alonso and Stubbs score.
Ramon grounds out to short, Francisco to third.
Cueto grounds out up the middle to Furcal, Francisco holds.
Phillips doubles off the wall in left center, Francisco scores.
Renteria flares one into short right past Pujols reach, Phillips scores.
Votto singles to right, Renteria to third.
Bruce lines a single up the middle, Renteria scores, Votto to 2nd.
Alonso grounds out to 2nd.

Reds bat around in the 2nd...sweet!

After one and a half, Reds 5, Cards 0.

Carpenter at 44 pitches, 30 strikes.

Hey that was exactly what I was going to say!

757690
09-02-2011, 08:51 PM
"Well son, it's really not that hard to explain... your Dad's not very good."

757690
09-02-2011, 08:53 PM
And Cueto pulls a Bailey.

After getting 5 runs, he walks the leadoff hitter and gives up a single.

Kc61
09-02-2011, 08:53 PM
Lot of lefty thunder against RHP tonight. Votto, Bruce,
Alonso, Francisco. A new look.

nate
09-02-2011, 08:54 PM
Does anyone else see "Cueto" and want to say "Cuervo?"

Should I seek help?

Please advise!

Always Red
09-02-2011, 09:00 PM
Does anyone else see "Cueto" and want to say "Cuervo?"

Should I seek help?

Please advise!

no, right now I'm saying "Tanqueray" :thumbup:

...and watching Cuervo pitch.

do I need help?? ;)

mbgrayson
09-02-2011, 09:03 PM
Cards 2nd:

Holliday walks on a 'Ball 4' that is clearly in the zone.
Berkman lines a single to right, Holliday to 2nd.
Freese singles past Votto into right, Holliday scores, Berkman to 3rd.
Molina grounds slowly to short, Freese out at 2nd, Molina safe at 1st, Berkman scores.
Theriot walks.
Carpenter bunts, Cueto fields, Francisco fails to cover 3rd, Carpenter out at 1st, Molina to 3rd, Theriot to 2nd.
Furcal grounds out to Phillips.

After 2 innings, Reds 5, Cardinals 2.

Cueto at 36 pitches, 21 strikes.

nate
09-02-2011, 09:05 PM
no, right now I'm saying "Tanqueray" :thumbup:

...and watching Cuervo pitch.

do I need help?? ;)

Yes.

Help finishing the Tanqueray, that is!

:cool:

mbgrayson
09-02-2011, 09:09 PM
Reds 3rd:

Stubbs Ks looking.
Francisco grounds out to 2nd.
Ramon Ks swinging.

After two and a half, Reds 5, Cardinals 2.

Carpenter at 55 pitches, 38 strikes.

Reds/Flyers Fan
09-02-2011, 09:18 PM
This is disappointing. Cueto is getting hit the way an ace shouldn't get hit.

mbgrayson
09-02-2011, 09:18 PM
Cardinals 3rd:

Jay grounds a single into center.
Pujols grounds a single through the hole into left.
Holliday Ks swinging on a 96 mph fastball.
Berkman lines a single to right, Jay scores, Pujols to third.
Freese grounds into a 6-4-3 doubleplay.

After 3 innings, Reds 5, Cards 3.

Cueto at 49 pitches, 32 strikes.

nate
09-02-2011, 09:20 PM
This is disappointing. Cueto is getting hit the way an ace shouldn't get hit.

What does that mean? How should an "ace" get hit?

mbgrayson
09-02-2011, 09:26 PM
Reds 4th:

Cueto grounds out to short.
Phillips grounds out to 2nd.
Renteria grounds a hard single through the hole into left.
Votto grounds out to 2nd.

After three and a half, Reds 5, Cardinals 3.

Carpenter at 67 pitches, 47 strikes.

mbgrayson
09-02-2011, 09:31 PM
Cards 4th:

Molina flies out to Stubbs.
Theriot lines out to Stubbs.
Carpenter grounds out to Phillips.

After 4 innings, Reds 5, Cards 3.

Cueto at 59 pitches, 40 strikes.

mbgrayson
09-02-2011, 09:40 PM
Reds 5th:

Bruce flies out to center.
Alonso has a nice AB (9 pitches), then strikes out on a low curve that would have been ball 4.
Stubbs grounds to 3rd.

Mid 5th: Reds 5, Cards 3.

Carpenter at 84 pitches, 59 strikes.

Reds/Flyers Fan
09-02-2011, 09:46 PM
What does that mean? How should an "ace" get hit?

Just a disappointing outing. Reds need a shut-down No. 1. Cueto is good, but this is alarming. If he's a No. 2, that's great. We need that. But we also need a No. 1.

klw
09-02-2011, 09:52 PM
- Cardinals fifth.
- Furcal homered to right on a full count.
- Jay singled to center.
- Pujols singled to left, Jay to third.
- Holliday grounded into a double play, shortstop Renteria to second baseman B.Phillips to first baseman Votto, Jay scored, Pujols out.
- Berkman grounded out to first baseman Votto unassisted.

5-5 after 5.

Red in Chicago
09-02-2011, 09:53 PM
Who actually thought the five spot would have held up:lol:

klw
09-02-2011, 10:00 PM
- Reds sixth.
- J.Francisco lined out to center fielder Jay.
- R.Hernandez grounded out, third baseman Freese to first baseman Pujols.
- Frazier pinch-hitting for Cueto.
- Frazier homered to right on a 1-1 count.
- B.Phillips was hit by a pitch.
Renteria flies out

6-5 Reds
Arredondo in.

klw
09-02-2011, 10:09 PM
Well that lead didn't last long. Freese homers to tie it at 6. Good night all.

The Operator
09-02-2011, 10:17 PM
Alonso! 2-run jack makes it 8-6 good guys.

klw
09-02-2011, 10:17 PM
I stayed up.
Alonso hits one out yonder!!
:jump::jump::jump:


8-6 Reds
Now I will go to bed.

Always Red
09-02-2011, 10:18 PM
Yonder goes yard, and doesn't make an error while doing so.

WAR rejoices

8-6 Reds.

CesarGeronimo
09-02-2011, 10:20 PM
Hmmm, this Alonso guy isn't too bad. Might have been nice to see more of him sooner, but then again it would have taken some kind of freakin genius to figure that one out.

mbgrayson
09-02-2011, 10:49 PM
Hmmm, this Alonso guy isn't too bad. Might have been nice to see more of him sooner, but then again it would have taken some kind of freakin genius to figure that one out.

Check out my signature....

CesarGeronimo
09-02-2011, 11:06 PM
Check out my signature....

Just watch Dusty play Heisey in left and Cairo at 3rd tomorrow.

VR
09-02-2011, 11:18 PM
Stubby moves up to #21 all time for strikouts. #16 is in reach this weekend...stay tuned.

WVRedsFan
09-02-2011, 11:19 PM
You know...playing these kids is quite rewarding. Francisco goes long and the Reds lead 11-7. Go ahead, play those veterans and lose...

VR
09-02-2011, 11:22 PM
Predictable crash by McClellan and Garcia....Mike....ohh Mi-iiiiike

VR
09-02-2011, 11:28 PM
September game against the Cards.....and we barely have enough posters to make up an infield. I prefer winning.

CTA513
09-02-2011, 11:29 PM
Stubby moves up to #21 all time for strikouts. #16 is in reach this weekend...stay tuned.

Hes got a chance to break Dunns single season team record unless they start sitting him to avoid that.

WVRedsFan
09-02-2011, 11:30 PM
Pujols - pop out to Votto
Holliday - homers - 11-8
Berkman - flies to center
Freese - single - same old Codero!
Molina - flies out to right

TOBTTR

Reds win 11-8

CTA513
09-02-2011, 11:32 PM
I really wasn't expecting a 11-8 game when I saw that Cueto was facing Carpenter.

VR
09-02-2011, 11:33 PM
Hes got a chance to break Dunns single season team record unless they start sitting him to avoid that.

Doesn't just have a chance....he'll blow it out of the water if he plays.

Dunner had an OPS that was juuuuuust a tad higher to make up for those K's though.

Ron Madden
09-03-2011, 06:22 AM
Nice to see the kids slamming the ball!!!!!

Boxscore.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_09_02_cinmlb_slnmlb_1&mode=box&c_id=cin

traderumor
09-03-2011, 10:16 AM
You know...playing these kids is quite rewarding. Francisco goes long and the Reds lead 11-7. Go ahead, play those veterans and lose...
Yet we still can't pitch. Better turn some of those kids into pitching or we're going back to the slamming fun times of 2001-2009. Notice there isn't one exciting arm coming up now, or probably next year. Just a bunch of blah.

westofyou
09-03-2011, 11:07 AM
You know...playing these kids is quite rewarding. Francisco goes long and the Reds lead 11-7. Go ahead, play those veterans and lose...

We still only interested in bats in Reds country eh?

Bats and runs, the legacy of being a life long Reds fan, bats and runs.

lollipopcurve
09-03-2011, 01:11 PM
Notice there isn't one exciting arm coming up now, or probably next year. Just a bunch of blah.

Notice that they've just produced 4 homegrown starters now 25 and under: Bailey, Leake, Wood, Cueto.

Take a look around other rotations. You won't see many bearing the fruits of their farm systems like the Reds is.


We still only interested in bats in Reds country eh?

Geez. After a season of watching older guys struggle at the plate, since when is it shortsighted to celebrate some rookies mashing?

And yes -- it's a franchise with a proud history of fielding some offensive juggernauts. They have a chance to field another team like that in the next few years. Good by me. Doesn't mean they can't also win.

cincyinco
09-03-2011, 02:38 PM
I don't know about you guys but I would love to see a team that can pitch AND mash.. Oh, and play defense.

westofyou
09-04-2011, 12:08 PM
Notice that they've just produced 4 homegrown starters now 25 and under: Bailey, Leake, Wood, Cueto.

Take a look around other rotations. You won't see many bearing the fruits of their farm systems like the Reds is.


Geez. After a season of watching older guys struggle at the plate, since when is it shortsighted to celebrate some rookies mashing?

And yes -- it's a franchise with a proud history of fielding some offensive juggernauts. They have a chance to field another team like that in the next few years. Good by me. Doesn't mean they can't also win.

Some folks only look at the shiny side of the car, the other side of the car has dents on it.

These folks know who they are, as do I.

The game starts on the bump in the middle of the field, this is fact that i'm convinced is lost on the majority of Reds fans out there (and in these game threads) that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. 10 years on this board tell me nothing else matters.