Indiana Basketball

[REDblooded]

http://p.twimg.com/Aq9iecDCQAEgQal.jpg:small

I wonder what IU fans that hate Cal think about this.


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As long as Cal's agent isn't there, I'm ok with it... Kinda...

Not really.

[Assembly Hall]

That Bloomington is a funny place. Please purchase your red sweater and proceed to sit down during the game if that rubbed you the wrong way. :)

LOL.;)

[Assembly Hall]

http://p.twimg.com/Aq9iecDCQAEgQal.jpg:small

I wonder what IU fans that hate Cal think about this.


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I dont know about IU fans, but that pic will probably keep Bobby away from Bloomington for another 5 years!!!!!!!

[redsfanmia]

I dont know about IU fans, but that pic will probably keep Bobby away from Bloomington for another 5 years!!!!!!!

Bobby is a sad bitter man, he needs to get over it.

[Assembly Hall]

Bobby is a sad bitter man, he needs to get over it.

Time heals all wounds. I actually heard Bobby talking about the IU-UK NCAA game. I hope he mellows out. He thought he was wronged, as do a lot of people in the state of Indiana.

[redsfanmia]

Time heals all wounds. I actually heard Bobby talking about the IU-UK NCAA game. I hope he mellows out. He thought he was wronged, as do a lot of people in the state of Indiana.

He only talked about that game because ESPN forced him to, very bitter.

[WMR]

I'm guessing I'm going to kick myself when I hear the answer, but who is Cal talking to there?

[Razor Shines]

I'm guessing I'm going to kick myself when I hear the answer, but who is Cal talking to there?

I think it's just some guy in an IU jacket not related to the program at all.....or Tom Crean. One of those two.


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[WMR]

That's Crean?!??! It didn't look like him at all from the back to me. :eek:

Where was the photo taken?

[Razor Shines]

That's Crean?!??! It didn't look like him at all from the back to me. :eek:

Where was the photo taken?

An AAU tourney. Can't remember which one.


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[Assembly Hall]

He only talked about that game because ESPN forced him to, very bitter.

I doubt ESPN forced Bob to do anything he wasnt willing to do.

[Joseph]

Whats to take issue with in that photo? It's been widely reported the two are supportive of one another.

[Assembly Hall]

Whats to take issue with in that photo? It's been widely reported the two are supportive of one another.

Nothing on my end. Bobby Knight still has support from the IU faithful. Bobby dont like Cal, so therefore some IU fans disdain Cal, etc. Personally, I dont think Bobby even knows Cal, I just think he is spiteful of him because Bob loved John Chaeaney(sp?).

[Razor Shines]

Whats to take issue with in that photo? It's been widely reported the two are supportive of one another.

Obviously I don't see anything wrong with it and doubt many others do either, I was just trying to be funny. I don't make many serious posts.


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[gilpdawg]

Time heals all wounds. I actually heard Bobby talking about the IU-UK NCAA game. I hope he mellows out. He thought he was wronged, as do a lot of people in the state of Indiana.

Yeah because assaulting your own players/other students is ok.

[Assembly Hall]

Yeah because assaulting your own players/other students is ok.

I dont know how old you are. But in my day educators including coaches were allowed to discipline kids......usually with wooden boards. Playing high school football I cant count the number of times my coach grabbed my face mask and twisted it all around while screaming at the top of his lungs.

It is a different time now. You cant even spank your own kids without fear of possibly going to jail.

I dont condone what Bobby did. But I dont agree with the manner in which he was fired. A lot of people in the Hoosier state feel the same way, although they tend to be the ones that are 40 years plus years of age. I will maintain for the rest of my life that grabbing a player and a student just gave the regime at the time an excuse to get rid of a coach that at the time was struggling in the NCAA tournament.

[BRM]

Obviously I don't see anything wrong with it and doubt many others do either, I was just trying to be funny. I don't make many serious posts.


What? No way....I always figured you to be the serious one in the bunch...

I have no issue with the photo either. The two are friends, doesn't bother me any.

[redsfanmia]

Time heals all wounds. I actually heard Bobby talking about the IU-UK NCAA game. I hope he mellows out. He thought he was wronged, as do a lot of people in the state of Indiana.

He was wronged in the fact that the powers that be let him act like an ass as long as he was winning then tried to squash it only when he wasn't winning as much. I liked Coach Knight but he should be been held accountable for his actions long before he was let go.

[Revering4Blue]

He was wronged in the fact that the powers that be let him act like an ass as long as he was winning then tried to squash it only when he wasn't winning as much. I liked Coach Knight but he should be been held accountable for his actions long before he was let go.

QFT.

[Assembly Hall]

He was wronged in the fact that the powers that be let him act like an ass as long as he was winning then tried to squash it only when he wasn't winning as much. I liked Coach Knight but he should be been held accountable for his actions long before he was let go.

That is definitely the way alot of people look at it.

[redsfanmia]

mn

[Assembly Hall]

http://ulive.cbssports.com/?media=317124

[WMR]

Does anyone have any photos of the new display case/shrine in Assembly Hall that IU put up to commemorate their buzzer-beater win over UK? Supposedly it has Watford's game-worn jersey and some other stuff?

[Hoosier Red]

Does anyone have any photos of the new display case/shrine in Assembly Hall that IU put up to commemorate their buzzer-beater win over UK? Supposedly it has Watford's game-worn jersey and some other stuff?

I hadn't heard anything about this, but my gues is they have it in Cook Hall which houses the training facility and has a lot of different memorabilia displayed.

[Assembly Hall]

Does anyone have any photos of the new display case/shrine in Assembly Hall that IU put up to commemorate their buzzer-beater win over UK? Supposedly it has Watford's game-worn jersey and some other stuff?

Havent heard about it myself. Will check into it.

[WVRed]

Does anyone have any photos of the new display case/shrine in Assembly Hall that IU put up to commemorate their buzzer-beater win over UK? Supposedly it has Watford's game-worn jersey and some other stuff?

I bring the goods.

http://ksr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/indiana-trophy.jpg

I had to ask myself, has Indiana really fallen THIS far to commemorate the game where Indiana beat Kentucky four months before Kentucky beat Indiana in the Sweet 16?

[dabvu2498]

I had to ask myself, has Indiana really fallen THIS far to commemorate the game where Indiana beat Kentucky four months before Kentucky beat Indiana in the Sweet 16?

It's not just "commemorating" one game. It's commemorating the entire season's accomplishments. Which, given where their program has been the last couple years, is probably worthwhile.

[Assembly Hall]

I dont know WV. Didnt UK retire the numbers of those seniors that lost to Duke in the regional finals? Wasnt that a gesture of what those kids had been through in their 4 years there?

[SunDeck]

It's there to get IU fans excited. It was a great memory for a lot of people who felt as though the program had been cast into the dark ages. That particular game will probably be remembered as the turning point in Crean's time at IU; there were a lot of people wondering whether he could get the program back into the top 10.

From the outside looking in I am sure it seems like an "elite" program should not care so much for one game, but I understand what they are doing, which is to use anything they can to market the comeback of the program to the fans. It's their story and they are going to run with it and eek out every season ticket they can sell.

[Hoosier Red]

If IU fans are being honest, the answer is yes, IU has in fact fallen that far. They do have to use a regular season game and a Sweet 16 as a reference point to market the program because any current college students weren't a gleam in their parent's eyes when IU last won a national championship.

The good news is that the worst is inarguably behind them.

I think a good analogy is the Reds HOF last year Ramon Hernandez's bat on display and a plaque commemorating the Opening Day win. It was a good moment for the franchise but not necessarily historical. Like IU Basketball, the Reds have some dusty banners, but hopefully have better things on the horizon.

[cumberlandreds]

I dont know WV. Didnt UK retire the numbers of those seniors that lost to Duke in the regional finals? Wasnt that a gesture of what those kids had been through in their 4 years there?

The big difference is that, to my knowledge, UK didn't set aside one win as a standout win like IU did. But if that floats their boat then more power to them. I take it as a compliment.

[Hoosier Red]

The big difference is that, to my knowledge, UK didn't set aside one win as a standout win like IU did. But if that floats their boat then more power to them. I take it as a compliment.

I won't argue with the overall thought as IU has gotten as much mileage as possible from that one game, but that case seems to have a number of different momentos from the season. I don't see anything that says the win against UK was the only memorable moment from that season.

[Assembly Hall]

The big difference is that, to my knowledge, UK didn't set aside one win as a standout win like IU did. But if that floats their boat then more power to them. I take it as a compliment.

I detect a certain arrogance in that post. If IU would retire Verdell Jones and Tom Pritchard's jersey's I feel you would still snicker. What UK did is no different than that case.

I agree with HoosierRed, I see nothing in that case that points to it being all about the UK game. I see 3 gameballs in there, my assumption is that they are from the 3 Top 5 wins IU had.

[cumberlandreds]

I detect a certain arrogance in that post. If IU would retire Verdell Jones and Tom Pritchard's jersey's I feel you would still snicker. What UK did is no different than that case.

I agree with HoosierRed, I see nothing in that case that points to it being all about the UK game. I see 3 gameballs in there, my assumption is that they are from the 3 Top 5 wins IU had.

Has IU retired Pritchard and Jones uniform? If they did it was for an entire career not one season or one game. That's great! Same for UK's 92 seniors. It was for a career and what they stood for by sticking thisngs out. I have never seen a team have three game balls in a trophy case for regular season wins that were not championship related. Maybe its happened but I have never seen it.
Anyway I'll bow out of this conversation. I feel like I'm spoiling a party.

[TeamSelig]

:lol:

[New York Red]

Didnt UK retire the numbers of those seniors that lost to Duke in the regional finals?
UK hung a banner in honor of that team and that Senior class, but none of those players had their jerseys/numbers retired individually. For the record, many UK fans at the time (and even more now) disagreed with that banner being hung in the first place. It was Pitino's idea at the time, and a poor one, IMO. The process for retiring great UK players jerseys' has been screwed up ever since. I think Pitino just felt the need to hang a banner, since we hadn't hung one since the '84 Final Four.

[Razor Shines]

Seriously? We're having a pissing match over who's program is more up tight? Let UK fans have it, let them look down their noses and snicker at IU. I don't care. I don't care if IU creates a trophy case for every single game we win next season as long as Crean is here bringing in recruits and keeping the program competitive.


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[dabvu2498]

Seriously? We're having a pissing match over who's program is more up tight? Let UK fans have it, let them look down their noses and snicker at IU. I don't care. I don't care if IU creates a trophy case for every single game we win next season as long as Crean is here bringing in recruits and keeping the program competitive.


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Don't feel bad. They also mocked Vanderbilt for giving their basketball team their SEC Championship rings before the Vandy-UK baseball game.

[redsfanmia]

Seriously? We're having a pissing match over who's program is more up tight? Let UK fans have it, let them look down their noses and snicker at IU. I don't care. I don't care if IU creates a trophy case for every single game we win next season as long as Crean is here bringing in recruits and keeping the program competitive.


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qtf

[SunDeck]

Seriously? We're having a pissing match over who's program is more up tight? Let UK fans have it, let them look down their noses and snicker at IU. I don't care. I don't care if IU creates a trophy case for every single game we win next season as long as Crean is here bringing in recruits and keeping the program competitive.


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Indeed, sometimes the comments from people regarding other programs just cracks me up. IU is just giving fans what they want with this display. Why does anyone really care about this?

Speaking of recruiting, I saw Crean on the athletics department's tricked out golf cart last week, driving a couple recruits down Kirkwood. It was pretty funny and I remember thinking, "Is that Crean? Oh, it has to be. Look at that haircut."

[Assembly Hall]

Indeed, sometimes the comments from people regarding other programs just cracks me up. IU is just giving fans what they want with this display. Why does anyone really care about this?

Speaking of recruiting, I saw Crean on the athletics department's tricked out golf cart last week, driving a couple recruits down Kirkwood. It was pretty funny and I remember thinking, "Is that Crean? Oh, it has to be. Look at that haircut."

One of those recruits wasnt Eric Gordon's little brother was it? LOL

[SunDeck]

One of those recruits wasnt Eric Gordon's little brother was it? LOL

Couldn't tell- when a couple basketball prospects are packed in the rear seat of a golf cart all you can really see are knees.

[BRM]

Seriously? We're having a pissing match over who's program is more up tight? Let UK fans have it, let them look down their noses and snicker at IU. I don't care. I don't care if IU creates a trophy case for every single game we win next season as long as Crean is here bringing in recruits and keeping the program competitive.


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Amen.

[fearofpopvol1]

Bummed that the IU/Kentucky games will cease next season. It's been such a great tradition. Now, I don't know if it's true or not, but according to Mike Wilbon, he believes this was Kentucky's decision and he also said he believed Cal was afraid of playing IU next year because they are supposed to be such a great team.

[BRM]

Bummed that the IU/Kentucky games will cease next season. It's been such a great tradition. Now, I don't know if it's true or not, but according to Mike Wilbon, he believes this was Kentucky's decision and he also said he believed Cal was afraid of playing IU next year because they are supposed to be such a great team.

Both schools are blaming the other right now. They are in Spin mode. Doesn't matter either way, bottom line is they aren't playing each other next season. I'm not all that bothered by it to be honest.

[fearofpopvol1]

Both schools are blaming the other right now. They are in Spin mode. Doesn't matter either way, bottom line is they aren't playing each other next season. I'm not all that bothered by it to be honest.

I personally think it stinks. It's a longstanding tradition and 1 I enjoyed.

[Assembly Hall]

Both schools are blaming the other right now. They are in Spin mode. Doesn't matter either way, bottom line is they aren't playing each other next season. I'm not all that bothered by it to be honest.

Well then you must be a youngin' . A long storied rivalry and it dont bother you?

[Assembly Hall]

I personally think it stinks. It's a longstanding tradition and 1 I enjoyed.

I am with ya on that. My heart is broken.

[redsfanmia]

Lets schedule UCLA or Kansas or Duke or North Carolina instead, it stinks but it is What it is.

[BRM]

Well then you must be a youngin' . A long storied rivalry and it dont bother you?

Not a youngin'. I'd prefer they play but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

[George Foster]

I personally think it stinks. It's a longstanding tradition and 1 I enjoyed.As a season ticket holder, I put up with the last 4 Tubby Smith years and 2 horrible years of Billy G. After I pay the cost of the 2 tickets, the forced Blue White fund donation, parking, and gas from Mt. Stering it cost me $210 a game...thats right...per game! Thats over $4,000 per season. You now remove North Carolina and Indiana from the schedule because you don't want to take the chance on losing to them. How many Samfords, and Middle Tennessee of the Holy Rosary can you sechedule coach? How many really good SEC home games are there? Florida? Vandy? Miss st every other year? Why should I pay this? Every game is on TV in HD.

I just wish Caoch Cal were honest. We don't want to play Indiana in Bloomington because its a VERY hard place to win. We really don't care about the loyal season ticket holders who put up with some very bad teams because hey....someone is in line to take your spot...their money is as good as yours. To remove the only good pre-conference games from the schedule is just a slap in the face to all the PAYING fans who put up with a lot of bad teams over the last 2 coaches.

I get the fact that I should be happy with a National Championship...I am. However to ask us to pay $200 to watch 35 point blow outs is not cool. To ask for some good home games is not expecting to much. Indiana, and North Carolina were GOOD home and home series.

I'm with u guys of this one...My cats are running scared.

[Razor Shines]

Not a youngin'. I'd prefer they play but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

That's how I feel too. Don't like that it's going away but not gonna worry about it.

And I have a hard time believing UK is running scared. It's more likely about money or something that Scrap pointed out in that Crean and Cal are good friends and just may not want to play each other.


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[WVRed]

As a season ticket holder, I put up with the last 4 Tubby Smith years and 2 horrible years of Billy G. After I pay the cost of the 2 tickets, the forced Blue White fund donation, parking, and gas from Mt. Stering it cost me $210 a game...thats right...per game! Thats over $4,000 per season. You now remove North Carolina and Indiana from the schedule because you don't want to take the chance on losing to them. How many Samfords, and Middle Tennessee of the Holy Rosary can you sechedule coach? How many really good SEC home games are there? Florida? Vandy? Miss st every other year? Why should I pay this? Every game is on TV in HD.

I just wish Caoch Cal were honest. We don't want to play Indiana in Bloomington because its a VERY hard place to win. We really don't care about the loyal season ticket holders who put up with some very bad teams because hey....someone is in line to take your spot...their money is as good as yours. To remove the only good pre-conference games from the schedule is just a slap in the face to all the PAYING fans who put up with a lot of bad teams over the last 2 coaches.

I get the fact that I should be happy with a National Championship...I am. However to ask us to pay $200 to watch 35 point blow outs is not cool. To ask for some good home games is not expecting to much. Indiana, and North Carolina were GOOD home and home series.

I'm with u guys of this one...My cats are running scared.

I understand your frustration, but I don't see it as the Cats are running scared.

The North Carolina series from all reports isn't so much as dead as it is UK is wanting to skip a year. As it stands, we are playing Louisville and a Big East team to be named later on the road, as well as Maryland and Duke in off campus sites. UK needed the scheduling flexibility so the UNC series is on hold, at least for now. Even if we get a quality non-conference game or two this season in Rupp, that's still a pretty brutal away schedule for a young team, and then throw UNC into it. I'd rather play UNC at home when we play Louisville on the road, and vice versa.

As for the Indiana series, I'm disappointed, but it's not the end of the world. I'd like to see them replaced with Ohio State though.

[Assembly Hall]

I aint gonna lose any sleep over it myself. Disappointment is an understatement on my end. UK and IU have played every year as long as I can remember. Heck, it very well might be the longest OOC rivalry there ever was.

I aint passing blame to either institution. Just a pitiful situation for the fans.

But it does leave a void for IU. Most experts are saying they will draw UNC in the ACC/B1G challenge and have a potential match-up against UCLA in the Legends classic. I cant remember how that Crossroads Classic is set up.

[TeamSelig]

As a season ticket holder, I put up with the last 4 Tubby Smith years and 2 horrible years of Billy G. After I pay the cost of the 2 tickets, the forced Blue White fund donation, parking, and gas from Mt. Stering it cost me $210 a game...thats right...per game! Thats over $4,000 per season. You now remove North Carolina and Indiana from the schedule because you don't want to take the chance on losing to them. How many Samfords, and Middle Tennessee of the Holy Rosary can you sechedule coach? How many really good SEC home games are there? Florida? Vandy? Miss st every other year? Why should I pay this? Every game is on TV in HD.

I just wish Caoch Cal were honest. We don't want to play Indiana in Bloomington because its a VERY hard place to win. We really don't care about the loyal season ticket holders who put up with some very bad teams because hey....someone is in line to take your spot...their money is as good as yours. To remove the only good pre-conference games from the schedule is just a slap in the face to all the PAYING fans who put up with a lot of bad teams over the last 2 coaches.

I get the fact that I should be happy with a National Championship...I am. However to ask us to pay $200 to watch 35 point blow outs is not cool. To ask for some good home games is not expecting to much. Indiana, and North Carolina were GOOD home and home series.

I'm with u guys of this one...My cats are running scared.

Not sure if serious.......

[WMR]

Season ticket holders can whine, but at the end of the day, no one is giving up their tickets, and if they do, those tickets are re-sold with a mandatory 100K (lowers) K-Fund donation in about 5 seconds.

[Playadlc]

I'm not trying to ruffle feathers here, most the UK fans on this site are much more pleasant than the ones I encounter in the Louisville area, but after reading Calipari's latest blog post on scheduling, shame on you if you buy a word of that garbage about protecting his players.

It's crap. You would think UK players needed to be checked into a mental institute after their game in Assembly Hall.

The only thing Calipari is protecting his kids from is the horrors of being a 3 or 4 seed every fourth year instead of a 1 or 2.

[Razor Shines]

I'm not trying to ruffle feathers here, most the UK fans on this site are much more pleasant than the ones I encounter in the Louisville area, but after reading Calipari's latest blog post on scheduling, shame on you if you buy a word of that garbage about protecting his players.

It's crap. You would think UK players needed to be checked into a mental institute after their game in Assembly Hall.

The only thing Calipari is protecting his kids from is the horrors of being a 3 or 4 seed every fourth year instead of a 1 or 2.

Maybe I read the wrong blog post but I didn't really see him saying anything against IU's fans. Most of his reasons seemed understandable to me, it is probably best for his team to play more neutral site games in large venues.


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[Assembly Hall]

I dont know about any blog or whatever. Crean and Cal are taking the political correct high roads here. dab posted a good read in the UK thread that I completely agree with concerning the series coming to an end. Shame on both institutions for not coming to a solution...........1969-2012...........that's a lot of years to flush down the toilet.

[Assembly Hall]

Scholarship problems in Bloomington........

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18992247/fifteen-guys-for-13-spots-indianas-delicate-scholarship-situation

[Hoosier Red]

IU's oversigned AGAIN in 2013 as Stanford Robinson, a 6'4" point guard ranked anywhere from 46 to 94 depending on who you ask committed to the Hoosiers last night.

While I'm all in favor with bringing in the best talent available, I hope that it doesn't lead to guys like Austin Etherington being shown the door.

If Indiana truly is different, as many in the fan base want to believe, then it's different because it's able to recruit like a perennial powerhouse and develop players like a mid-major.

Certainly some guys will come and see that this isn't the right fit and leave of their own volition. And some guys will actually be ready for the NBA after 1,2, or 3 years. I don't begrudge any coach who actually assumes this will happen. I think that was part of why there's the scholarship crunch now. Crean recruited assuming that either Watford or Creek would be gone by next year.
But I hope anyone who agrees to come to IU is able to stay through the end of his four years and the guys who don't necessarily have a role right away will be able to hone one or two skills and find ways to contribute.

[Assembly Hall]

I think it is a good problem to have although TC should have been thinking about it before hand. Roth has a year left after red-shirting a year due to an injury. Mo Creek should have additional year left after missing all of last season. My guess is that for this year, that Roth will have to pay his own way(He already has a Master's) and that one of the incoming recruits will go to prep school.

As far as 2013-2014, we will have to see. Watford, Hulls, and Elston will be gone. Mo Creek is still a question mark. And Zellar and Oladipo might make the jump to the NBA, as well as maybe Perrea?

But I dont want to see Etherington or Abel ushered out the door.

[Assembly Hall]

Here he is........

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/recruiting/blog/eye-on-college-basketball-recruiting/19067736/four-star-junior-stan-robinson-commits-to-indiana

[Assembly Hall]

Zellar getting bigger and better and a shot at Cal..............

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/19153519/cody-zeller-is-getting-bigger-and-better-according-to-everybody

[Revering4Blue]

INDIANAPOLIS -- Negotiations to keep the Kentucky-Indiana series going have broken down for the second time.

Indiana officials announced May 3 that they could not reach a deal to extend the contract, which expired after last season.

According to a letter between the school's two athletic directors obtained Wednesday, negotiations resumed on May 10 and didn't end until Kentucky's DeWayne Peevy contacted Indiana officials on May 24 to reject the offer.

Indiana athletic director Fred Glass wrote that he would agree to play games in 2012 and 2013 at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis if the next two games were played on campus. Indiana also offered to share a $100,000 buyout to move a conflicting game.

The letter says Kentucky declined.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7989398/kentucky-wildcats-indiana-hoosiers-basketball-series-talks-collapse-again

[Assembly Hall]

LOL........I think Bob Knight wrote that press release!!!!!!!!!!!!:D Dont matter, it is what it is. UK wants money from their marquee games, nothing wrong with that. It will be interesting to see if they go on a down swing if they come knockin'

[Assembly Hall]

Here is another write-up on the situation......

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/59598/letter-calipari-rejected-new-iu-rivalry-offer

[Playadlc]

This game is clearly not going to happen. You can't make deals with people who dont want to budge and work with you. IU gave a GREAT Idea, and UK spit on it.

UK will play anyone ON THEIR TERMS, and screw everyone else's terms. Look what they got from Baylor, a home game AND a neutral court game. Baylor caved for the money, plain and simple. I'm thrilled that Glass and Crean stood up and said "no, we'll compromise, but we won't give in to your every whim".

[cooperlamar]

I think a neutral series that just happens to occur in the state of Indiana is a great deal for IU. For some reason, they refuse to play in a neutral site, despite playing nearly 20 straight years at neutral sites. And UK clearly isn't scared to play anyone - they play home and homes with UNC and UL (which are much better teams than IU BTW), they play at Notre Dame next year, plus they play neutral games vs. Duke and Maryland next season. To suggest they're "scared" of IU is completely ridiculous particularly given how they've completely dominated the series, regardless of where it has been played. The fact is UK doesn't need Indiana and it hurts IU's feelings. Fine, don't play UK - UK will find someone better to play anyway.

And let's compare OOC schedules next season and we'll see which team is scared to play a tough OOC schedule.

[Assembly Hall]

I think a neutral series that just happens to occur in the state of Indiana is a great deal for IU. For some reason, they refuse to play in a neutral site, despite playing nearly 20 straight years at neutral sites. And UK clearly isn't scared to play anyone - they play home and homes with UNC and UL (which are much better teams than IU BTW), they play at Notre Dame next year, plus they play neutral games vs. Duke and Maryland next season. To suggest they're "scared" of IU is completely ridiculous particularly given how they've completely dominated the series, regardless of where it has been played. The fact is UK doesn't need Indiana and it hurts IU's feelings. Fine, don't play UK - UK will find someone better to play anyway.

And let's compare OOC schedules next season and we'll see which team is scared to play a tough OOC schedule.

Dude, you are blind. IU wanted to play the game at Rupp this upcoming season. Rest on your laurels. The fact of the matter is UK wants money and IU wants the game played on campus. You might have dominated the series in the last 20 years, but the worm has turned.......hence the scared to play IU. UNC will be just like you guys next year.......a bunch of freshmen that are unproven. Enjoy that tough conference you are in and look forward to meeting you in the tournament next year. You and Duke can get cozy under the sheets, and Good Luck in South Bend.

[Assembly Hall]

Some recruiting news.......

http://www.insidethehall.com/

[gilpdawg]

Neil Reed died. Sad. 36 years old. I know he's not Mr. Popular in Hoosierland but I always respected him for having the stones to stand up to Knight. Nobody else did. Maybe if they had he wouldn't have thought he could do whatever he wanted with no repercussions and the end of his IU career could have been on his terms, which he could have had.

[Revering4Blue]

Neil Reed, a standout basketball player at East Jefferson High School in the early 1990s, who later played at Indiana University and gained national fame for being attacked by Hoosiers Coach Bobby Knight, has died at age 36.

Reed died Thursday in Nipomo, Calif., after suffering a massive heart attack on Wednesday, former East Jefferson Coach Jim Robarts said Thursday. Nipomo is located about 150 miles northwest of Los Angeles in San Luis Obispo County.

http://highschoolsports.nola.com/news/article/2308430138356018741/neil-reed-former-indiana-university-basketball-player-and-east-jefferson-high-school-standout-dead-at-age-36/

[Revering4Blue]

Neil Reed died. Sad. 36 years old. I know he's not Mr. Popular in Hoosierland but I always respected him for having the stones to stand up to Knight. Nobody else did. Maybe if they had he wouldn't have thought he could do whatever he wanted with no repercussions and the end of his IU career could have been on his terms, which he could have had.

This is obviously very sad news, especially factoring in the wife and kids he leaves behind.

It is also sad that Reed will be forever tied to an underachieving disappointing era of I.U basketball. I'm not trying to trivialize Reed's death at all, but there's just no getting around it.

I actually agree with everything you've written. But I'll add this--Even if the events leading up to Reed's decision to transfer hadn't occurred, it was still apparent, at least to me, that Knight just wasn't getting it done anymore when you consider that class after class in the mid-to-late 90's resulted in underachieving teams, even though Knight was actually recruiting some top-flight talent. So Knight going out on his terms may have resulted in more mediocre B-Ball.

Again, I want to make this clear: this all pales in comparison to Reed's untimely passing.

Sadly, Reed is the third I.U player from the late 90's to pass away, preceded by Jason Collier and William Gladness.

[Razor Shines]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/bruce-feldman/19665532/the-neil-reed-i-knew
Nice story by Feldman.


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[WMR]

Razor is guaranteeing a Hoosier title this year, I hope the boys can live up to all these checks he's been writing. :D

[Revering4Blue]

Reed’s legacy more than IU.

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120805/SPORTS0203/308059932/1029/SPORTS02

[fearofpopvol1]

Preseason #1 has a nice ring to it.

[Joseph]

UK, IU, and UofL are all highly ranked in the pre-season. We are in a basketball mecca.

[Revering4Blue]

Recruiting news.


ESPN 100 small forward Troy Williams committed to Indiana on Sunday over offers from North Carolina, Louisville, Arkansas, Alabama and Ohio State.

The 6-foot-7 Williams (Hampton, Va./Oak Hill Academy) is the 32nd-ranked player overall

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8565679/troy-williams-no-32-recruit-commits-indiana-hoosiers

[Hoosier Red]

About time Nancy Boy started picking up recruits to match the #IUFB team.

:D

[traderumor]

UK, IU, and UofL are all highly ranked in the pre-season. We are in a basketball mecca.

Um, speechless.

[Revering4Blue]

Um, speechless.

Hey, OSU is ranked fourth.

Not that it really matters, but that places the preseason top four in the Ohio Valley Area.

Take that, Tobacco Road.:D

[Playadlc]

Psh. Who cares about basketball when our football team controls their own destiny to the B1G Championship game. :)

[traderumor]

Hey, OSU is ranked fourth.

Not that it really matters, but that places the preseason top four in the Ohio Valley Area.

Take that, Tobacco Road.:DWhich is probably worth about as much as the other rankings mentioned. I'm a Buckeyes fan and call shenanigans on that one.

[Revering4Blue]

Psh. Who cares about basketball when our football team controls their own destiny to the B1G Championship game. :)

Speaking of football (Yes, I still care.)


In the depth chart just released by IU for Saturday's game with Iowa, Cameron Coffman remains the starting QB," Terry Hutchens of the Indianapolis Star tweeted.

While I'm totally on board with Coach Wilson and his staff and the direction of the program, I have to question this.

[Boston Red]

Psh. Who cares about basketball when our football team controls their own destiny to the B1G Championship game. :)

Am I wrong or can IU pretty much wrap up a championship game appearance with wins over Iowa and Wisconsin? Wisky would still have to play Penn State and Ohio State, so even if IU finishes 3-5 in conference play, it seems to me that if one of those wins is a win over the Badgers they're sitting pretty for a spot in the title game.

[Hoosier Red]

Am I wrong or can IU pretty much wrap up a championship game appearance with wins over Iowa and Wisconsin? Wisky would still have to play Penn State and Ohio State, so even if IU finishes 3-5 in conference play, it seems to me that if one of those wins is a win over the Badgers they're sitting pretty for a spot in the title game.

The more I look at it, I think you're right.

If they beat just Iowa and Wisconsin, they end up 3-5 in the B1G Ten. Wisconsin is currently 3-2 but will have lost to Indiana and then play tOSU and tPSU. Might see some referee shenanigans in the IU/PSU game or Wisconsin/PSU game to make sure either a) IU is at least 7-5 if they make the championship game, or b)Wisconsin gets to 4-4 and the impossible dream is dead.

I did hear that if IU made it into the championship game at 5-7, and won to get to 6-7, they could be granted a waiver to play in the Rose Bowl even though they had a losing record.(Standard NCAA rules say you have to be at least 6-6 to play in a bowl game.)

[traderumor]

The more I look at it, I think you're right.

If they beat just Iowa and Wisconsin, they end up 3-5 in the B1G Ten. Wisconsin is currently 3-2 but will have lost to Indiana and then play tOSU and tPSU. Might see some referee shenanigans in the IU/PSU game or Wisconsin/PSU game to make sure either a) IU is at least 7-5 if they make the championship game, or b)Wisconsin gets to 4-4 and the impossible dream is dead.

I did hear that if IU made it into the championship game at 5-7, and won to get to 6-7, they could be granted a waiver to play in the Rose Bowl even though they had a losing record.(Standard NCAA rules say you have to be at least 6-6 to play in a bowl game.)That'd pretty much sum it up for the state of Big 10 football.

[Hoosier Red]

Hard to tell a lot from a preseason NAIA team, but a lot of encouraging signs from last night. A bit of a rocky start, but not surprisingly Indiana just wore down IWU and walked off with a relatively easy 86-57 win.

Jurkin had much better hands and touch than I expected. Assuming he and Perrea are eventually cleared to play, that's going to be a major asset.
Hollowell is going to have to pick up a lot of the rebounding slack to find playing time so it was nice to see him do that.

More than anything it was great to see Creek play well. If he's anything remotely resembling his freshman season, WOW.

[Scrap Irony]

[Peter] Jurkin had much better hands and touch than I expected.

Hehehe.

[Hoosier Red]

Well played Scrap. I really hope he stays four years. It will never ever get old.

Of course no one's mentioned the big news that Jurkin and Perea are suspended for 9 games for having the audacity to accept travel money from an AAU coach who brought them into the country. I realize my own bias here, and I'm sure I wouldn't be so forgiving if it was a UK or tOSU player.

But it blows my mind that everything done by Mark Adams, the A-Hope foundation, and the Indiana Elite team would be perfectly legal and legit, except for the fact that Adams ex-wife gave $185 to IU between 1986 and 1992.

[WMR]

Well played Scrap. I really hope he stays four years. It will never ever get old.

Of course no one's mentioned the big news that Jurkin and Perea are suspended for 9 games for having the audacity to accept travel money from an AAU coach who brought them into the country. I realize my own bias here, and I'm sure I wouldn't be so forgiving if it was a UK or tOSU player.

But it blows my mind that everything done by Mark Adams, the A-Hope foundation, and the Indiana Elite team would be perfectly legal and legit, except for the fact that Adams ex-wife gave $185 to IU between 1986 and 1992.

It's a ton more than $185...

[gilpdawg]

It's a ton more than $185...

You know this how, exactly?

If donating $185 20 years ago makes him a "booster," then I still work at the same place I worked as a teenager, even though I haven't set foot in there for almost 13 years.

[Scrap Irony]

But it blows my mind that everything done by Mark Adams, the A-Hope foundation, and the Indiana Elite team would be perfectly legal and legit, except for the fact that Adams ex-wife gave $185 to IU between 1986 and 1992.

Yeah, this is crap, and I'm guessing the NCAA knows it.

It's a BS ruling.

The good news for IU is that both kids will be back around mid-December, and it won't hurt their chances in the NCAA much (or, really, at all).

[bucksfan2]

For the IU fans, are they the real deal this season? Can they live up to those lofty expectations? Can they even win the B1G with OSU, MSU, UM, Minnesota, and Wisconsin looking tough?

[Hoosier Red]

That's a good question bucksfan.

There's nothing to lead me to believe they should be anything but the B1G favorite. But it also wouldn't surprise me if tOSU, Michigan, or even Michigan State win the conference title.

Essentially I'd say IU's a 40% chance at winning, the Buckeyes and Michigan are 30 and 25% with Michigan State needing a lot of things to go right.

I'd probably say the same for the NCAA tournament. I'd put IU as a slight favorite over UK and/or UL, but not so much of an overwhelming favorite as say UK was last year.

[WMR]

You know this how, exactly?

If donating $185 20 years ago makes him a "booster," then I still work at the same place I worked as a teenager, even though I haven't set foot in there for almost 13 years.

It's in articles about the subject...

the actual amount (that we know about) is between $6-8,000 per guy.

This whole A-Hope thing with Mark Adams and then hiring his unqualified son has been shady from the start. If I was IU, I would take the punishment the NCAA has offered and hope they don't keep digging...

[WMR]

http://instagram.com/p/RyxpUVmo0z/

:laugh:

Oh LAWD!! :lol:

[Hoosier Red]

http://instagram.com/p/RyxpUVmo0z/

:laugh:

Oh LAWD!! :lol:

Yeah Crean does like his trinkets. I think more than anything he wanted a momento for guys like Pritchard, Roth, and VJIII. But I'd think a normal IU basketball ring would do.


Hopefully he won't have to make up reasons to give stuff away this year.

[Hoosier Red]

It's in articles about the subject...

the actual amount (that we know about) is between $6-8,000 per guy.

This whole A-Hope thing with Mark Adams and then hiring his unqualified son has been shady from the start. If I was IU, I would take the punishment the NCAA has offered and hope they don't keep digging...

The $185 I was referring to was the amount given by Mark Adams to the university. Actually by his ex-wife but who's counting. That's what make Mark Adams a booster.

All of the money given by Adam's to the players was deemed to be perfectly legal and legit by the NCAA if he hadn't been a "booster" 20 years ago.

You've mentioned that IU hired Adam's "unqualified" son a number of times. I'm not sure either of us is in a position to debate the necessary qualifications to be the video manager of a D1 basketball team. Is there anything which makes you believe that he was particularly unqualified or unworthy of such a great job?
It seems like one of many small steps on the coaching steps which Adams has continued to ascend after his year of exemplary work in the IU film room.

As for A-hope and Mark Adams, again, it's a hell of a conspiracy theory, but when a program has been in existence for over 20 years and placed dozens of players in college programs other than Indiana. I'm not sure why it's all of a sudden shady that three players decide to go to Indiana. There have been a lot of guys who decided to go to Indiana recently.

[WMR]

Did the NCAA order IU to disassociate itself from Adams and A-Hope?

I'm a much bigger believer in IU's title chances than UL. (As someone who dislikes both schools.) UL still can't shoot. Can IU play credible defense?

[bucksfan2]

That's a good question bucksfan.

There's nothing to lead me to believe they should be anything but the B1G favorite. But it also wouldn't surprise me if tOSU, Michigan, or even Michigan State win the conference title.

Essentially I'd say IU's a 40% chance at winning, the Buckeyes and Michigan are 30 and 25% with Michigan State needing a lot of things to go right.

I'd probably say the same for the NCAA tournament. I'd put IU as a slight favorite over UK and/or UL, but not so much of an overwhelming favorite as say UK was last year.

IU didn't impress me enough last year to say "Wow are they going to be good." I thought Watford was slightly overrated and thought that Zeller needed to toughen up. I know little about their recruiting class but most of the projections have them relying on their returning starters.

I thought IU would be good, just surprised to see them the overwhelming #1 pick by most pundits across the nation. I think the B1G will be too much of a dogfight for IU to retain that ranking for a while.

I am not trying to downplay IU just a little surprised thats all and I wanted an IU fans reaction.

[Hoosier Red]

Did the NCAA order IU to disassociate itself from Adams and A-Hope?

I'm a much bigger believer in IU's title chances than UL. (As someone who dislikes both schools.) UL still can't shoot. Can IU play credible defense?

Yeah, for one year. I guess once a booster, always a booster, until the NCAA punishes you, than you're no longer a booster after 1 year. :)

[WMR]

What about the defense part? Is Indiana going to be able to stop anybody this year? Their offense should be pretty deadly...

[Hoosier Red]

What about the defense part? Is Indiana going to be able to stop anybody this year? Their offense should be pretty deadly...

I think the goal is going to be to run teams out of the building and let the cost benefit of the pressure defense prevail. As in IU will likely give up some easy baskets, but the pressure created by a very efficient offense and whatever transition baskets they get will allow a lot of leads to snowball as the defense is able to take more chances, which leads to more transition baskets etc..

Individually, there's no one guy who will completely stop the opponents, but as a team I imagine they'll be top 20 in terms of defensive efficiency.

[Scrap Irony]

I thought IU would be good, just surprised to see them the overwhelming #1 pick by most pundits across the nation.

NCAA basketball, by all accounts, is seriously down this year in terms of talent. Everyone, it seems, has lost a bunch but IU and UofL.

As to defense, they'll need it in the Big 10 and NCAAs. And the jury is out right now, but Crean's good enough, IMO, to get them better. Whether that's good enough is anyone's guess. (And one reason why this year should be just about impossible to pick come NCAA time.)

One team no one's talking about that I think is underrated is Kansas. Length, shooting, defense, better decision-making at PG, a veteran-led team, a fairly easy road which should turn into a number one seed-- what's not to like?

[gilpdawg]

It's in articles about the subject...

the actual amount (that we know about) is between $6-8,000 per guy.

This whole A-Hope thing with Mark Adams and then hiring his unqualified son has been shady from the start. If I was IU, I would take the punishment the NCAA has offered and hope they don't keep digging...

That's not under debate. What is under debate is Adams connections to the program, of which no one has anything concrete. We know how much money the two players got.

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[WMR]

That's not under debate. What is under debate is Adams connections to the program, of which no one has anything concrete. We know how much money the two players got.

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Well, HR said it was less than $200 and that's dead wrong.

[gilpdawg]

Well, HR said it was less than $200 and that's dead wrong.

No, he said Adams' ex wife gave the university under $200. At least that's what I think he meant. If so he's correct.

[Hoosier Red]

No, he said Adams' ex wife gave the university under $200. At least that's what I think he meant. If so he's correct.

Gilp's right, WMR's wrong. The money given to the kids is completely immaterial. All would have been considered above board had Adam's ex-wife not given $185 two years before the current players were born.

[WMR]

Like Liggins getting his cell phone cut off when he committed to UK.

That Adams guy is a true humanitarian.

[Hoosier Red]

Again, it's a fun conspiracy for Mark Adams to put together a charity which brings kids over from Africa so they can get a basketball scholarship for 10 years before one goes to Indiana just so he can direct kids to go to IU and punish kids that go to Kentucky. All of it in the hopes that his undeserving kid could be hired for a low level coaching job for one year.
It's just so crazy that it might work. Thank God we've got you on the case to make sure he couldn't possibly get away with it.

[Razor Shines]

Again, it's a fun conspiracy for Mark Adams to put together a charity which brings kids over from Africa so they can get a basketball scholarship for 10 years before one goes to Indiana just so he can direct kids to go to IU and punish kids that go to Kentucky. All of it in the hopes that his undeserving kid could be hired for a low level coaching job for one year.
It's just so crazy that it might work. Thank God we've got you on the case to make sure he couldn't possibly get away with it.

I don't think your sarcasm gives Adams enough credit for thinking ahead. This is a 30 year plan, just wait until you see what happens for IU in years 20-25.

[Hoosier Red]

I don't think your sarcasm gives Adams enough credit for thinking ahead. This is a 30 year plan, just wait until you see what happens for IU in years 20-25.

Yeah that's true. The true mission wasn't to get his undeserving son a job, but rather to get his father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate's kid an internship.

[WMR]

:lol:

I'm starting to get sad that we don't play you guys this year... This really is such a fun "hate" rivalry...

Wouldn't surprise me to see the NCAA try to match us up in March.

[Revering4Blue]

Noah Vonleh, come on down!

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/8618967/no-8-senior-prospect-noah-vonleh-chooses-hoosiers

[Hoosier Red]

Yes but what about the indisputable connection between Vonleah and the classic Von Lee theater in Bloomington. Notice how it all goes back to the film room for Crean. I fully anticipate the NCAA to investigate this.

[Todd Gack]

http://deadspin.com/5959350/indiana-handed-out-rings-to-celebrate-its-sweet-six-appearance

I think I might root against IU this year because of this.

Really? You guys really did this? Come on man!

[gilpdawg]

http://deadspin.com/5959350/indiana-handed-out-rings-to-celebrate-its-sweet-six-appearance

I think I might root against IU this year because of this.

Really? You guys really did this? Come on man!

I don't have a problem with it. Think it was mostly to give the outgoing seniors something for being there for the whole rebuild.

[Razor Shines]

http://deadspin.com/5959350/indiana-handed-out-rings-to-celebrate-its-sweet-six-appearance

I think I might root against IU this year because of this.

Really? You guys really did this? Come on man!

Crap! You're gonna root against IU?! There goes the season.


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[Todd Gack]

I don't have a problem with it. Think it was mostly to give the outgoing seniors something for being there for the whole rebuild.

Understandable that they gave it to seniors if that was the case.

[Todd Gack]

Crap! You're gonna root against IU?! There goes the season.


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Don't worry. THe IU fanbase is every bit as crazy as UK for me to dislike the team that much.

[Hoosier Red]

Impressions from the 1st game of the year I was actually able to attend live.

Strong performance last night even if SHSU was the weakest opponent to date. Nice to see them just go out and throttle someone from the opening tip.

Zeller was pretty decent but you could tell he was sick.

Watford was great coming off the bench. Sheehey looked like he didn't want to give back the starting spot. Oladipo continued in a role where he might score 10 points every game without a single play being drawn up for him.

Those three are the key in my mind. Zeller looks great, and will be great. Hulls and Farrell are excellent shooters who may struggle a little defensively. But if Watford, Sheehey, and Oladipo can consistently produce at a high level, there's not really a weakness to exploit.

Now on to Brooklyn where they can finally get a real test Monday night- or maybe not as Georgia "advanced" to the semi-finals of this tournament by going 0-2. Must be goal differential or something.

[cumberlandreds]

Bob Knight is doing the IU game tonight on ESPN. What do you IU fans think about that? Has he even been to an IU game since his departure?

[Hoosier Red]

Bob Knight is doing the IU game tonight on ESPN. What do you IU fans think about that? Has he even been to an IU game since his departure?

He was in the building when they beat Pitt at Madison Square Garden a couple of years ago, but not announcing. He was just an analyst between games.

This is the first game he's "attending"

I'm probably a bit of a different fan experience because I grew up a UC fan and only switched to Indiana in 1996 when I started attending. So while most Hoosier fans I know have fond memories of 1987, 1992 or (pre Alan Henderson injury) 1993, my most vivid Knight memories are of him being grumpy, ineffective and grumpy about being ineffective.

With that as pre-text. I understand why he was mad at Indiana up through the Kelvin Sampson era. However, since Fred Glass took over as AD and especially since Crean has been hired, IU has bent over backwards to bring him back into the fold.

If he doesn't want to be associated with the program now, that's too bad but it's on him. Even if he now wants to be associated with the program, then he's quite honestly just a bandwagon fan who didn't want to be associated with the team when it was committed to doing things the "right way" and going 6-25, but is happy to jump on board now that they're ranked #1.

[Hoosier Red]

A lot of rumors that Perea and Jurkin have won their appeals and will be eligible to play tonight.

[Razor Shines]

Thought they played ok the last two nights, not great but good enough. I think Hulls was the only one who played really well both games.

They kinda got lucky that GTown went cold from the 3pt line in OT because they really didn't do anything better in OT defensively. I think there are going to be games this year where Hulls and Yogi can't be on the floor at the same time.

It's good to see Creek back, that dude's been through a lot in his basketball life and I think he can be a solid contributor this season.

It'll be interesting to see Crean's rotation once Perea and Jurkin get back.

That was a good early test for the young guys. I look forward to UNC.


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[Strikes Out Looking]

Considering that they were outsized by the Georgetown players, I think they played extremely well.

Sheehey is quite frustrating. For the first ten minutes of the second half he couldn't do anything right and then he makes a couple of amazing plays. I'd also like to see Remi Abell get more touches, he's got a great 3 point shot.

I must also say I enjoyed Bob Knight much more than the tired act of Dick Vitale. Knight made a number of great points about the actual game. Vitale just talked as if Knight should still be coaching the Hoosiers -- as an alumni I can say I'm much happier with Crean at this point.

[Razor Shines]

How many times did he say Hulls "would be perfect in a Bobby Knight system!" ? I thought it was dumb the first time he said it and then he just kept saying it.


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[Hoosier Red]

Agreed. If we're going to talk about how a player would perform under Bob Knight's system, I demand to also know how they'd perform under Branch McCracken.

Sheehey and Oladipo would be stellar under Kelvin Sampson's system. They both get HIGH. <Oh wait, scratch that, they're a different kind of high>

[Razor Shines]

I'm excited for tonight. I don't think UNC is as bad as they looked against Butler, so I wouldn't be surprised if IU lost tonight.

On another note, I don't think I'd have voted for IU to be #1 this week. I know it's mostly meaningless and for fun but Duke would certainly have my vote.


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[Razor Shines]

I think IU just beat the 2013 NIT champs.


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[Playadlc]

Indiana is really freakin' good.

[Assembly Hall]

I think IU just beat the 2013 NIT champs.


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LOL, funny. But that is only contingent that Butler aint in the NIT field.:D

[SunDeck]

I was listening to the student sports show on WIUX this morning and one of the kids was really worried that Cody Zeller wasn't averaging 23-25 points a game. :rolleyes:

[Hoosier Red]

That's funny SunDeck. Its funny but I actually wondered when he came back if he might regret the decision because his stats were not likely to go up.

From everything I've heard, he's not one to overly worry about draft position, and he seems to truly enjoy being BMOC, but it will be interesting.

[Razor Shines]

I was listening to the student sports show on WIUX this morning and one of the kids was really worried that Cody Zeller wasn't averaging 23-25 points a game. :rolleyes:

You should have called in and asked him to name the last post player on a top 10 team that averaged that many points a game.

There could be a glaring one I'm over looking but I can't off the top of my head think of who that would be.


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[VottoFan54]

You should have called in and asked him to name the last post player on a top 10 team that averaged that many points a game.

There could be a glaring one I'm over looking but I can't off the top of my head think of who that would be.


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I believe Tyler Hansbrough had about that many points for a year or two, but it is ridiculous to expect that many points out of Zeller on a team with as much talent as Indiana.

[dabvu2498]

I believe Tyler Hansbrough had about that many points for a year or two, but it is ridiculous to expect that many points out of Zeller on a team with as much talent as Indiana.

Harangody, Blake Griffin and Michael Beasley come to mind also (not sure where their teams were ranked)... But seeing those 4 guys listed kinda reinforces Razor's point either way.

[Assembly Hall]

You should have called in and asked him to name the last post player on a top 10 team that averaged that many points a game.

There could be a glaring one I'm over looking but I can't off the top of my head think of who that would be.


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Ralph Sampson comes to mind.

[Hoosier Red]

Ralph Sampson comes to mind.

Well if a slacker like Ralph Sampson could do it.
I'd think Laettner did as well.

The more names we bring up and the further back we go, the more impressive the feat becomes and it underscores just how impressive Zeller is.

He can absolutely affect games before he scores a single point with his defense and passing. Just his ability to wear out the other team by running down the court EVERY SINGLE TIME has some impact. Add to that a guy who can get you 15-16 points pretty much every night?

[Assembly Hall]

LOL HR!!!!!!!

However I said Ralph Sampson came to mind. He dominated for 3 years at UVA, but they also werent a one man team. Laettner also had a great cast around him. Without checking the archives, Wayman Tisdale was a polific scorer.

But anyways back to Zellar. He is awesome. I have never seen anything like him wearing the Cream and Crimson.

[redsfanmia]

Great game today and losing to Butler doesn't really hurt at all. I came out of this game thinking as an IU fan I would rather have Brad Stevens as my coach than Tom Crean.

[Razor Shines]

Great game today and losing to Butler doesn't really hurt at all. I came out of this game thinking as an IU fan I would rather have Brad Stevens as my coach than Tom Crean.

I think most teams in America would say that, I still love Crean, but I can admit Stevens is probably a better coach.


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[Boston Red]

Stevens is a bad man. When Butler moves to whatever the Big East basketball league becomes, they should go ahead and commission the statue of him that belongs outside Hinkle.

[Hoosier Red]

I think most teams in America would say that, I still love Crean, but I can admit Stevens is probably a better coach.


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He is just magnificent at getting the matchups he wants and avoiding the ones he doesn't.

Last play was a perfect example. He knew Jordy would guard the weakest offensive guard, so instead of running through his best offensive player, the play ran at IU's weakest defender expecting Barlow to kick out to whomever had a guy come in on help defense.

Crean's defensive plan wasn't even bad as no one helped Hulls, which meant Butler's last option on offense was shooting, he just happened to make it.

ce la vi.

[WMR]

What was up with Hulls shoving Creek and Sheehy screaming in Remy's face?

Why did it take Crean an hour to collect himself enough to come talk to the media after the loss?

Why did Crean have Zeller on the bench on the final Butler basket?

Who does Crean think he is kidding trying to call that a road game? At least 14k Hoosier fans were in attendance, by far the largest fan contingent.

Why didn't Butler rush the court?? ;)

[REDblooded]

Still trying to lick my wounds on this one... So many thoughts...

1. Stevens flat-out out-coached Crean. Crean didn't adjust. Almost 10 minutes with Butler's best inside presences playing with 4 fouls and we still didn't pound the ball inside... Settled for far too many mid-range and long jumpers. Allowed Butler to dictate tempo.

2. Switches on screens... what is going on around the perimeter defensively? Too many times where both defenders took the screener and allowed the ball-handler to dribble away from the screen and fire up a wide-open 3.

3. Watford... Where art thou Christian? Looks lost, looks disinterested, and looks lazy... Is this due to him having to body up on a more physical offensive threat while on defense due to the Yogi/Jordan guard situation?

4. Zeller... The guns look nice. Unfortunately they aren't allowing you to body up and gain position in the post.

5. Offense. Feed the post... Too many forced jump shots. When they aren't falling, go inside-out.

6. Press Clippings. Still believing them? Looked like a team expecting to be handed the win. You earned the glory. Now earn the right to maintain it.

7. Fouls... Quit crying Butler. When your team settles for jumpers you're more prone to get blown out on trips to the line... Over the course of the game IU attacked the basket more. Clearly they'll get more calls.

8. Yogi... Get the ball in his hands more. Too much passing around the perimeter removes the ball from your best option for creating off of the dribble... I'm tired of seeing Yogi pass it off to Jordan. He's the most susceptible ball handler to being forced out of the offense by on the ball pressure.

[Hoosier Red]

Why did Crean have Zeller on the bench on the final Butler basket?


I'm not sure which of Butler's mighty mites he could have guarded one on one on the perimeter. Knew Butler was going to spread them out, drive, and kick with whomever was helping.

Of course when Jordan Hulls can't stay in front of a walk on, maybe there are other issues with perimeter defense.

[Razor Shines]

What was up with Hulls shoving Creek and Sheehy screaming in Remy's face?

Why did it take Crean an hour to collect himself enough to come talk to the media after the loss?

Why did Crean have Zeller on the bench on the final Butler basket?

Who does Crean think he is kidding trying to call that a road game? At least 14k Hoosier fans were in attendance, by far the largest fan contingent.

Why didn't Butler rush the court?? ;)

Answers:
1: Because they farted in his general direction.

2: Because he was farting on the team.

3: Brad Stevens farted on Zeller and he couldn't keep the tears out of his eyes.

4: The fog of farts made it look like Hinkle.

5: Because of all the farting.

I tried to answer those questions with as much sincerity as you put into asking them.


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[WMR]

Answers:
1: Because they farted in his general direction.

2: Because he was farting on the team.

3: Brad Stevens farted on Zeller and he couldn't keep the tears out of his eyes.

4: The fog of farts made it look like Hinkle.

5: Because of all the farting.

I tried to answer those questions with as much sincerity as you put into asking them.


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The last one was a joke, the rest are all legitimate questions, understandable you can't/won't try to answer them, however.

[Razor Shines]

The last one was a joke, the rest are all legitimate questions, understandable you can't/won't try to answer them, however.

Do you really care about the answers or do you just enjoy asking the questions to point out the flaws in the team?

It's not a perfect team. I and others pointed out early on that Yogi and Hulls being on the floor at the same time is a defensive liability that would probably eventually be exploited. At the same time losing to Butler isn't too terrible. Stevens is a great coach and knows how to get his guys ready for big games. Add to that two guys who are going to be a big part of the team are still in the early stages of coming off suspension, so I don't think the team is quite a finished product yet.

And you really cannot discount all the farting.


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[Revering4Blue]

#2 in the country? IU didn't even look like the #2 team in the YMCA league tonight. There are zero positives to take away from this game.

If this bench doesn't start producing more than 2 or 3 points per game, the likelihood for a special season will be out the window.

[RedFanAlways1966]

What I found amazing is that Wisconsin has beaten Indiana 11 straight games... incl. 5 straight at Assembly Hall. For whatever reason they just seem to have IU's (and Crean's) number.

[Hoosier Red]

What I found amazing is that Wisconsin has beaten Indiana 11 straight games... incl. 5 straight at Assembly Hall. For whatever reason they just seem to have IU's (and Crean's) number.

The game plan against Indiana appears to have been written. Take care of the ball, keep pace of the game down, and be physical with outside shooters, even at the expense of letting front court players score and/or leaving Farrell alone to shoot.

[Hoosier Red]

#2 in the country? IU didn't even look like the #2 team in the YMCA league tonight. There are zero positives to take away from this game.

If this bench doesn't start producing more than 2 or 3 points per game, the likelihood for a special season will be out the window.

Sheehey will wake up from his funk, but the lack of development from Perrea and Hollowell is really hurting IU. Elston being hurt for all but 10 minutes this year hasn't helped.

[traderumor]

Just learned of this upset. Man, Wisconsin seemed to be in a down year by their standards, had 4 non-conference losses, but is now 4-0 in the Big 10. Craziness. It is looking like a free for all this year. But still it will come down to win 'em all at home and win half your road games will put you on top in the end.

The conference tournament should be one of the most competitive in its history, seeding may mean very little this year.

[Razor Shines]

Their defensive rotations were as bad as I've ever seen them. I can't remember how many times IU would trap and then leave the easiest pass open.


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[bucksfan2]

Looking at the rest of IU's schedule, there could be several more losses, good losses, but losses none the less.

They still have OSU twice and Michigan twice off the top of my head.

[Hoosier Red]

Looking at the rest of IU's schedule, there could be several more losses, good losses, but losses none the less.

They still have OSU twice and Michigan twice off the top of my head.

Oh yeah, the back end of the B1G is brutal for pretty much all the leaders. From 1/27 to 3/10 IU plays MSU twice, OSU twice, Michigan twice, and goes to Illinois and Minnesota.

From what I remembered, Almost all of the B1G heavyweights have a more back loaded schedule. For example; Michigan State hosts Minnesota, Michigan, and Indiana, and Wisconsin and travel to Ohio State and Michigan among their last 9 games.

The Buckeyes travel to Michigan, Indiana, and Wisconsin, and host Indiana, Michigan, Minnesot and Illinois among their last 9.

And on and on...

[Assembly Hall]

I can point my finger at a lot of things I see wrong. But I wont. The most alarming me thing to me is their struggles against quality opponents of which they are 2-2 against. I have no qualms against the Butler loss. But their performance against G-town and Wiscy was pitiful as was the 2nd half in the Minny game where they dang near blew a 30 point lead. Keep in mind that Wiscy then went on the road and laid an egg, and Minny is in a funk as well. I dunno.......but the season starts today.

[Hoosier Red]

Good enough start to the season. :)

I think saying Wisconsin followed up the win against IU by laying an egg and/or Minnesota playing poorly before or after the IU game somewhat misses the point.

Game to game teams can be completely different.
IU is good enough to beat anyone in the country, and is vulnerable to probably any of the top 60 to beat them. I think that's true of anyone in the game.

Butler beats Gonzaga on a last second shot, then loses on a last second shot to Lasalle.

Villanova has both lost to Columbia and beaten Louisville and Syracuse.

Oregon is undefeated in Pac-12, but has lost to UTEP.

NC State beat Duke and lost to Wake Forest.

Best as I can tell, Kansas is the only team in top 10 thus far to have not lost to anyone outside the top 25.

[Assembly Hall]

I cant disagree with anything you said there concerning the atmosphere right now.

BTW.....I havent looked at everyone in the Top Ten, but Michigan's lone loss was at Ohio State.

[Hoosier Red]

I cant disagree with anything you said there concerning the atmosphere right now.

BTW.....I havent looked at everyone in the Top Ten, but Michigan's lone loss was at Ohio State.


Right you are. I knew as I was writing it that I was overlooking one team.

[Assembly Hall]

Right you are. I knew as I was writing it that I was overlooking one team.

No biggie bro.....as I said I didnt study the top ten and what I posted was off the top of my head.

[WMR]

It's funny how Tom Crean only loves shaking hands when his team wins. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhHt_niPrGo

Whenever he loses it's the sore loser blow by. Maybe he learned that from a Harbaugh? :evil:

BTW: I love Thad Matta's reaction there. :laugh:

Hell, here I was afraid the breeze from Crean running past him was gonna knock down poor Bo Ryan.

http://btn.com/2013/01/15/tom-crean-bo-ryan-share-hurried-handshake/

Crean should learn to shake hands the same way whether he wins or loses. Very poor sportsmanship.

[Hoosier Red]

It's funny how Tom Crean only loves shaking hands when his team wins. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhHt_niPrGo

Whenever he loses it's the sore loser blow by. Maybe he learned that from a Harbaugh? :evil:

BTW: I love Thad Matta's reaction there. :laugh:

Hell, here I was afraid the breeze from Crean running past him was gonna knock down poor Bo Ryan.

http://btn.com/2013/01/15/tom-crean-bo-ryan-share-hurried-handshake/

Crean should learn to shake hands the same way whether he wins or loses. Very poor sportsmanship.

If the post game handshake is the worse thing about Crean's days at IU, I'd say we'll be in pretty good shape.
:lol:

[WMR]

If the post game handshake is the worse thing about Crean's days at IU, I'd say we'll be in pretty good shape.
:lol:

Nah, the worst thing is coming up in about a month and a half. ;)

[Razor Shines]

It's funny how Tom Crean only loves shaking hands when his team wins. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhHt_niPrGo

Whenever he loses it's the sore loser blow by. Maybe he learned that from a Harbaugh? :evil:

BTW: I love Thad Matta's reaction there. :laugh:

Hell, here I was afraid the breeze from Crean running past him was gonna knock down poor Bo Ryan.

http://btn.com/2013/01/15/tom-crean-bo-ryan-share-hurried-handshake/

Crean should learn to shake hands the same way whether he wins or loses. Very poor sportsmanship.

There's actually a very good reason for that and you're going to feel silly after I let you in on the secret.

Tom has a rare disease that causes his body to evacuate itself like he died as soon as the final horn sounds a loss. The other Big Ten coaches are aware of this. So you see the "blow bys" are a courtesy to them. You do not want to be anywhere near Crean for more than a second before he's showered after a loss.

He spent nearly his entire salary on suits his first two seasons.

You can apologize anytime you like.


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[WMR]

There's actually a very good reason for that and you're going to feel silly after I let you in on the secret.

Tom has a rare disease that causes his body to evacuate itself like he died as soon as the final horn sounds a loss. The other Big Ten coaches are aware of this. So you see the "blow bys" are a courtesy to them. You do not want to be anywhere near Crean for more than a second before he's showered after a loss.

He spent nearly his entire salary on suits his first two seasons.

You can apologize anytime you like.


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:lol:

I love you, Razor. Almost as much as my Real Doll. :D

I can only imagine the clean-up required after such an incident, helps explain why it takes him so long to make it out for the post-game interviews... :laugh:

[Hoosier Red]

:lol:

I love you, Razor. Almost as much as my Real Doll. :D

I can only imagine the clean-up required after such an incident, helps explain why it takes him so long to make it out for the post-game interviews... :laugh:


I didn't know this was a thing. Maybe we can have a coach handshake timer like the Home run trot timers, or a coach to press conference timer. I'd love to know Crean's PTARC(Press Conference Time ABove Replacement Coach) before I give it serious consideration though.

[Assembly Hall]

The roof really must be caving in if WMR is patrolling the IU thread. Welcome aboard man, glad to see you got red in those veins!!!!!!!:eek:

[Assembly Hall]

:lol:

I love you, Razor. Almost as much as my Real Doll. :D

I can only imagine the clean-up required after such an incident, helps explain why it takes him so long to make it out for the post-game interviews... :laugh:

On a side note.....Cal is getting used to such post game interviews. Losing sucks.

[WMR]

The roof really must be caving in if WMR is patrolling the IU thread. Welcome aboard man, glad to see you got red in those veins!!!!!!!:eek:

I think we all know just how much I love Indiana. :D

I will, however, be holding my nose while rooting for you guys if you're playing either DOOK or UL for the Championship in April. :lol:

[Razor Shines]

I heard that Painter gathered his team before the game and said "bring me my brown pants."


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[Todd Gack]

Why was Sheehey acting like a tool in the 2nd half? Obviously it was a blowout, but is there some background info I'm missing?

[Hoosier Red]

Why was Sheehey acting like a tool in the 2nd half? Obviously it was a blowout, but is there some background info I'm missing?

He was getting some guff from the student section. I'm not sure if that was before or after he became (more) demonstrative. He seems to be the "annoying" player who everyone else's fan base hates (and his own fan base loves.)

Apparently even the referees were telling him to tone it down a little though.

[Todd Gack]

He was getting some guff from the student section. I'm not sure if that was before or after he became (more) demonstrative. He seems to be the "annoying" player who everyone else's fan base hates (and his own fan base loves.)

Apparently even the referees were telling him to tone it down a little though.

Good. I hate that crap.

[Hoosier Red]

Man I'm nervous/excited/anxious for tomorrow's tilt with Michigan.

It's a team I actually feel IU matches up well with. The teams like tOSU will give IU more problems imo. But with that said, I realize that my predictive powers are terrible and Michigan is really good offensively.

[OldRightHander]

Well, I'm not really an Indiana fan, but tonight, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[bucksfan2]

Man I'm nervous/excited/anxious for tomorrow's tilt with Michigan.

It's a team I actually feel IU matches up well with. The teams like tOSU will give IU more problems imo. But with that said, I realize that my predictive powers are terrible and Michigan is really good offensively.

The way its looking, the B1G is going to come down to whichever of the OSU, MSU, Michigan, and IU breaks. So far each team has held their home court against each other. IU got a massive break in losing to Wisconsin at home but not having to go up to Madison to play them.

I think MSU and OSU are similar while IU and UM are similar. MSU and OSU guard and like to make the other team guard on defense. IU and UM like to get into track meets. With around 9 B1G games left, the first of the big four to beat the other away has the upper hand in the league.

[Razor Shines]

Harold Minor thinks Dickie V should stop comparing Oladipo to MJ.


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[Assembly Hall]

Harold Minor thinks Dickie V should stop comparing Oladipo to MJ.


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LMAO!!!!!!!!

[Assembly Hall]

I think we all know just how much I love Indiana. :D

I will, however, be holding my nose while rooting for you guys if you're playing either DOOK or UL for the Championship in April. :lol:

Atta boy! I will take whatever I can get from you. :thumbup:

[Razor Shines]

I feel bad for Cody Zeller. He was mesmerized by the orange Afro in the front row and in that moment he decided he didn't want to be a basket ball player anymore. He wanted to drop out of school and travel the country in a Volkswagen. And it didn't matter if he payed attention to his man or not.. But then he was like "nah, that's dumb" but the game was already over. It could happen to anyone.


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[Assembly Hall]

All I can say is pitiful.......they shouldnt have even been in that situation at the end.

[WVRed]

Looks like Cody had a Tyler moment.

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[Revering4Blue]

This article is too long to post, but is well worth reading/discussing.

Bob Kravitz: Calling Tom Crean a poor game coach is the reflex of angry, under-educated fans.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130208/SPORTS15/302080323/Bob-Kravitz-Calling-Tom-Crean-poor-game-coach-reflex-angry-under-educated-fans?nclick_check=1

[traderumor]

This article is too long to post, but is well worth reading/discussing.

Bob Kravitz: Calling Tom Crean a poor game coach is the reflex of angry, under-educated fans.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130208/SPORTS15/302080323/Bob-Kravitz-Calling-Tom-Crean-poor-game-coach-reflex-angry-under-educated-fans?nclick_check=1Now there's a strong argument. If you claim he was outcoached, you're just one of those stupid hayseed overall wearing fans that worships Bobby Knight. Nice insulting article for anyone who dares to question the coach's game decisions.

[Hoosier Red]

That's not how I read it TR. More like, anyone who thinks "Crean can't coach" based on 3 losses is completely overreacting. Add to the fact that most people saying "Crean can't coach" do in fact worship at the alter of Bob Knight, and I think his article is pretty much right on.

[Razor Shines]

That's not how I read it TR. More like, anyone who thinks "Crean can't coach" based on 3 losses is completely overreacting. Add to the fact that most people saying "Crean can't coach" do in fact worship at the alter of Bob Knight, and I think his article is pretty much right on.

Yeah, I agree. Like he said Knight was known for not calling a TO on the IU's final offensive possession. I liked having Victor start it off going 1on1. He just got a little of the old out of control Victor on that play.

Illinois just went nuts down the stretch. They hit shots that were bad shots, unless you're on fire.

There's really nothing to say about the final play. It was just shockingly dumb.


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[Revering4Blue]

Just picking nits, I have to question Kravitz's assertion that Knight was outcoached in the 1986 NCAA first round game against Cleveland State.

That '86 team, largely devoid of athleticism, was simply not equipped to handle the relentless press/up-and -down game of the Cleveland State Vikings. Viola: an "upset" in seed only. If anything, that '86 squad overachieved to finish second in the Big Ten that season.
Smart and Garrett arrived next year and the rest is history.

Other than that, the article is spot-on to me. What sometimes appears to be "poor" coaching is just as likely to be the result of poor player/team execution.

[REDblooded]

I tend to agree with Kravitz merely because he hedges his bet... CTC is phenomenal at developing players. Anybody suggesting otherwise is blind. However, in the 40 minute game he does have his deficiencies.

[traderumor]

That's not how I read it TR. More like, anyone who thinks "Crean can't coach" based on 3 losses is completely overreacting. Add to the fact that most people saying "Crean can't coach" do in fact worship at the alter of Bob Knight, and I think his article is pretty much right on.
That's not my beef. Anyone presenting an argument as "you are ignorant, let me enlighten you" is insulting his audience and appearing arrogant himself. Perhaps "I hear people who think that..." and let them incriminate themselves. His method is poor. I was not debating the truth of his arguments, but it did appear to sway a little on the side of apologist.

[5TimeWSChamps]

Let's go...

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/65575_159791054171864_1023808274_n.jpg

[SunDeck]

There is still an undercurrent in Bloomington, although it's dwindling. Mostly, it's older fans who want IU to be what the program was when Knight was here, which they believe was a boy scout convention of moral rectitude, motion offense and stellar academics. Frankly, I believe, as Harvey Penick and other golfers do, that the real character of a man comes out on the course, and if you have any doubts that the General is a horse's rear end, then you may want to google videos of his golf show.

I remember that Crean's Marquette team beat UC twice in 00-01 and there were grumblings about Huggins getting out coached. Isn't this just what fans do when unranked teams take down a better team? And for what it's worth, most of the Hoosier fans I know have said the same thing for many years, that Big Ten play offers no guarantees for ranked teams, which is the same thing I heard from ACC fans when I lived in Raleigh. This uncertainty is what I love about college basketball; ranked or unrankded, the players are still kids and on any given night their youth may allow them to cast aside ineptitude, or cause them to play like they've just met each other for the first time.

[Assembly Hall]

Kravitz is becoming the new Bender of the Indy sports media.

[Assembly Hall]

Let's go...

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/65575_159791054171864_1023808274_n.jpg

I hope you enjoyed the game.:thumbup:

[Hoosier Red]

That's not my beef. Anyone presenting an argument as "you are ignorant, let me enlighten you" is insulting his audience and appearing arrogant himself. Perhaps "I hear people who think that..." and let them incriminate themselves. His method is poor. I was not debating the truth of his arguments, but it did appear to sway a little on the side of apologist.

That's a fair argument. I think it's much more likely that the argument is, "Anyone arguing Crean can't coach is an idiot, and you shouldn't listen to them."

It's not so much about enlightening people as it is to persuading people not to listen to idiots.

[Revering4Blue]

There is still a faction of I.U fans out there - though, not nearly the amount of fans that the I.U critics/detractors out there would lead you to believe - that will never fully accept any head I.U B-Ball coach not named Robert Montgomery Knight.

Unfortunately for Tom Crean, he now has to also deal with an apparently large faction of fans who will not accept him because his name isn't Brad Stevens.

That is simply the reality of the situation.

Strangely enough, John Groce "outcoached" both Stevens and Crean this season.

[Boston Red]

Crean inherited a cluster at IU, but I suppose you can't really blame some IU fans for being a little unnerved by the fact that there is a guy coaching within their state's borders who has taken Butler (BUTLER!) to two national title games since Crean started in Bloomington.

[5TimeWSChamps]

Pretty funny thing pre-game. OSU had Bob Knight do a pre-game video they aired before the game basically slapping IU in the face. He even did an O-H!.

Onto the game, best I've seen Watford look all season, mentally he seemed to be in it the whole game.

Zeller played well, Oladipo was very efficient.

Those 3 scored all but 10 of IU's points I believe

[Assembly Hall]

Crean inherited a cluster at IU, but I suppose you can't really blame some IU fans for being a little unnerved by the fact that there is a guy coaching within their state's borders who has taken Butler (BUTLER!) to two national title games since Crean started in Bloomington.

Not only did he inherit it, he cleaned it up and suffered the consequences of doing such.

[Razor Shines]

I knew Stevens was a better coach when he coached his way out of that paper bag, that one time.


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[Revering4Blue]

IU's last road win over top 10 team before yesterday? December 5, 2000, 80-68 at #10 Notre Dame - The debut year of Mike Davis as coach.

[Hoosier Red]

Crean inherited a cluster at IU, but I suppose you can't really blame some IU fans for being a little unnerved by the fact that there is a guy coaching within their state's borders who has taken Butler (BUTLER!) to two national title games since Crean started in Bloomington.

There are plenty of things to unnerve an IU fan, but I don't think Butler's success is one of them.

Projecting anything done 2-3 years ago to what I can expect this year or next year or 5 years from now is folly in almost every case, and especially in an extreme case like IU's.

[redsfanmia]

Not only did he inherit it, he cleaned it up and suffered the consequences of doing such.

Dan Dakich helped clean up the mess before he left.

[Revering4Blue]

Dan Dakich helped clean up the mess before he left.

Spot-on.

Looking back now, Dakich handled everything about as well as anyone possibly could have. Sadly, given the then-prevailing team opinion that Ray Mccallum should have been named interim coach, the team essentially quit on Dakich.

I'm not at all suggesting that Dakich should have been named permanent head coach, but Dan certainly deserved better. And his contributions to the program, especially during the tumultuous '08 season, shouldn't be forgotten, but often are.

[Assembly Hall]

Spot-on.

Looking back now, Dakich handled everything about as well as anyone possibly could have. Sadly, given the then-prevailing team opinion that Ray Mccallum should have been named interim coach, the team essentially quit on Dakich.

I'm not at all suggesting that Dakich should have been named permanent head coach, but Dan certainly deserved better. And his contributions to the program, especially during the tumultuous '08 season, shouldn't be forgotten, but often are.

Right on!:thumbup:

I also might throw out there that McCallum himself was part of the problem.

[Hoosier Red]

I love this blog post which just cobbles together a bunch of anonymous quotes from opposing coaches scouting IU.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21697153/scouting-title-contenders-indiana


“I get depressed watching tape of them.”

[Assembly Hall]

Good read man!:thumbup:

[Razor Shines]

Hey guys did you see me out there tonight? My men's league team just scrimmaged IU.


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[Assembly Hall]

Hey guys did you see me out there tonight? My men's league team just scrimmaged IU.


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LOL........yeah, your team's beer breath bothered the candy stripers in the first half. BTW Razor, you dont have to chuck one up everytime you get past the half court stripe!!!!!!!!!!:laugh:

[Razor Shines]

Rivalry Week? More like Rivalry Weak.


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[Assembly Hall]

Big game tonite. Any word on Vic?

[Revering4Blue]

VO is expected to play tonight.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/18/victor-oladipo-expected-to-play-on-tuesday-against-michigan-state/

[Hoosier Red]

Hell yes.

I don't even know what to say. First win in East Lansing in 20 years, puts them on the boardwalk to the first B1G title since before they called it the B1G. (Which granted wasn't that long ago.)

[Assembly Hall]

Chaching!!!!!!! What a game. BTW WMR that be two now on the road in the best conference in America.

[Hoosier Red]

Chaching!!!!!!! What a game. BTW WMR that be two now on the road in the best conference in America.

No word yet if they'll pass out rings for that accomplishment. :D

[cincrazy]

Indiana is the best team in college basketball. Whether that matters come tournament time, we'll see. But for a team go to into East Lansing and beat a Tom Izzo coached team, particularly at this point in the season, is damn impressive. Anything can happen in the tourney, but if IU doesn't at least make a Final Four run, I'll be surprised.

[traderumor]

The highlight of the game for me was two really big little boys taking turns hitting each other in the unmentionables while trying to act like either was unintentional.

[Assembly Hall]

The highlight of the game for me was two really big little boys taking turns hitting each other in the unmentionables while trying to act like either was unintentional.

LOL!!!!!!!!:thumbup:

[Assembly Hall]

This team is looking good, they just cant let up.

[traderumor]

Indiana is the best team in college basketball. Whether that matters come tournament time, we'll see. But for a team go to into East Lansing and beat a Tom Izzo coached team, particularly at this point in the season, is damn impressive. Anything can happen in the tourney, but if IU doesn't at least make a Final Four run, I'll be surprised.I don't know, the top 10 is pretty balanced, no powerhouse this year, but a lot of evenly matched teams at the top. I'd say IU will be a #1 seed barring any major slump at this point. They're a little smallish, which might cause a matchup problem at some point. It hasn't caused much problem in the Big 10 because very few conference teams have a strong inside presence, but one that does may cause an earlier than expected upset exit.

[RedFanAlways1966]

I totally respect both IU and MSU basketball. But I have always had a hard time rooting for MSU at home and last night confirmed why.

Who the hell is running the clock? Are you kidding me? That person should be terminated. Ridiculous. The first time was just stupid. Crucial part of the game and play goes on for 8 seconds with the clock not running! Then followed immediately after that stupidity with one that was a bit more understandable; however, even that type of play (tipped in-bounds pass) happens a lot and is not missed.

The foul called on IU on that 3-point shot. IMO that was not a foul. The IU defender went straight up and the MSU player lunged straight into him. Bush league call by the ref.

I have seen lots of homer jobs in college athletics, but it seems to be a regular thing in East Lansing. God love Tom Izzo and his program, but I cannot root for them at home EVER.

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I don't know, the top 10 is pretty balanced, no powerhouse this year, but a lot of evenly matched teams at the top. I'd say IU will be a #1 seed barring any major slump at this point. They're a little smallish, which might cause a matchup problem at some point. It hasn't caused much problem in the Big 10 because very few conference teams have a strong inside presence, but one that does may cause an earlier than expected upset exit.

If being 24-3 (12-2) in one of the toughest B1G conferences ever while winning games @OSU and @MSU doesn't make you a powerhouse I'm not sure what does.

[Boston Red]

This is not one of the toughest Big Ten's ever. Well, maybe it's one of the best B1Gs or whatever you call it, since it's only the first or second one.

[Assembly Hall]

This is not one of the toughest Big Ten's ever. Well, maybe it's one of the best B1Gs or whatever you call it, since it's only the first or second one.

I dont know. As far as the regular season and the teams that have made it into the top ten, it is as tough as I have ever seen it. Right now Lunardi has B1G teams getting a #1, (2) #2's, and (2) #5's. That means that 25% of the Top 20 teams reside in the B1G. Not too shabby.

However, regardless of the regular season the conference's "toughness" will be measured according to their tournament success. We dont know how that is gonna turnout.

[Hoosier Red]

I dont know. As far as the regular season and the teams that have made it into the top ten, it is as tough as I have ever seen it. Right now Lunardi has B1G teams getting a #1, (2) #2's, and (2) #5's. That means that 25% of the Top 20 teams reside in the B1G. Not too shabby.

However, regardless of the regular season the conference's "toughness" will be measured according to their tournament success. We dont know how that is gonna turnout.

To Boston Red's point, i do think the B1G's toughness this year has been overstated a bit.

The top 5 are obviously legit. Then there's a drop off to Illinois and Minnesota. The latter of whom is playing there way on the NCAA bubble. And then the bottom drops out.

I don't know that there's been a time when the top 4 or 5 teams were any tougher than now. (And it's worth mentioning IU is currently 4-1 against UM, tOSU, Wisconsin, and tMSU)

But there have definitely been years where the middle and bottom of the B1G were much more robust.

[Assembly Hall]

To Boston Red's point, i do think the B1G's toughness this year has been overstated a bit.

The top 5 are obviously legit. Then there's a drop off to Illinois and Minnesota. The latter of whom is playing there way on the NCAA bubble. And then the bottom drops out.

I don't know that there's been a time when the top 4 or 5 teams were any tougher than now. (And it's worth mentioning IU is currently 4-1 against UM, tOSU, Wisconsin, and tMSU)

But there have definitely been years where the middle and bottom of the B1G were much more robust.

Whoaa. Hang on there a tad. As of now the middle is looking pretty dang good. That would be teams 5-8 in the standings. 8 is Minnesota who are playing their way off the bubble. If anything Nebraska and Penn State are the bottom feeders.

Lest we not forget Illinois not only beat IU.......but they won at Gonzaga and beat Butler in Hawaii.

And what about Iowa?

[Revering4Blue]

Whoaa. Hang on there a tad. As of now the middle is looking pretty dang good. That would be teams 5-8 in the standings. 8 is Minnesota who are playing their way off the bubble. If anything Nebraska and Penn State are the bottom feeders.

Lest we not forget Illinois not only beat IU.......but they won at Gonzaga and beat Butler in Hawaii.

And what about Iowa?

Not to mention that Northwestern - which lost three significant contributors for the season - and Penn State - which lost potential All Big Ten PG Tim Frazier for the season - wouldn't be gimmes at all if healthy.

I agree with you about Iowa as the wild card.

I also agree with you about the tourney as the ultimate "report card." But if the tourney games are officiated ACC style - very little physicality allowed - Big Ten and, for that matter, Big East teams could be in trouble.

[Hoosier Red]

Whoaa. Hang on there a tad. As of now the middle is looking pretty dang good. That would be teams 5-8 in the standings. 8 is Minnesota who are playing their way off the bubble. If anything Nebraska and Penn State are the bottom feeders.

Lest we not forget Illinois not only beat IU.......but they won at Gonzaga and beat Butler in Hawaii.

And what about Iowa?

Well like I said, top 5 you'll get no argument. Very strong.

Breakdown everyone else.
#6 Illinois- Very inconsistent. Beaten IU, Gonzaga and Butler. Lost to Northwestern and Purdue.

#7 Iowa- Meh. No real great teams they've beaten, but haven't lost to anyone below them either.

#8 Minnesota- Started 15-1, 3-7 since. Lost the last two games by 21 and 27 points.


I guess you could say that Northwestern and Penn State would be better without injuries, but that's the point. The lower level teams are either too injured, too inexperienced, or too pathetic to put a fight up to the upper level teams.

TMBS, the B1G is still the best conference this year. But there have definitely been years where it's been a much deeper and tougher conference.

[Razor Shines]

Well like I said, top 5 you'll get no argument. Very strong.

Breakdown everyone else.
#6 Illinois- Very inconsistent. Beaten IU, Gonzaga and Butler. Lost to Northwestern and Purdue.

#7 Iowa- Meh. No real great teams they've beaten, but haven't lost to anyone below them either.

#8 Minnesota- Started 15-1, 3-7 since. Lost the last two games by 21 and 27 points.


I guess you could say that Northwestern and Penn State would be better without injuries, but that's the point. The lower level teams are either too injured, too inexperienced, or too pathetic to put a fight up to the upper level teams.

TMBS, the B1G is still the best conference this year. But there have definitely been years where it's been a much deeper and tougher conference.

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[Assembly Hall]

Hoosier, I suppose alot of people would call it "top heavy" 1-5. But I dont want to play at Illinois, Iowa, or Minnesota. 8 of the 12 are dang fine teams at this point. I would take Minnesota over any team that is 3rd in their conference in the rest of America on a neutral floor.

[Hoosier Red]

I feel this way about Redszone. A lot.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BESsQ2KCAAAGEHL.png:large

[joshnky]

Hoosier, I suppose alot of people would call it "top heavy" 1-5. But I dont want to play at Illinois, Iowa, or Minnesota. 8 of the 12 are dang fine teams at this point. I would take Minnesota over any team that is 3rd in their conference in the rest of America on a neutral floor.

So, you'd take Minnesota over Louisville, Marquette, or Arizona? I think your bias is clouding your judgement. Indiana game aside Minnesota hasn't played well since entering conference play and was moving towards the bubble before that win. They're not very good.

[Assembly Hall]

So, you'd take Minnesota over Louisville, Marquette, or Arizona? I think your bias is clouding your judgement. Indiana game aside Minnesota hasn't played well since entering conference play and was moving towards the bubble before that win. They're not very good.

There is a reason they moved into the top ten. Bias aside, I dont want to play the Gophers.

[joshnky]

There is a reason they moved into the top ten. Bias aside, I dont want to play the Gophers.

That was before they lost just about every big ten game.

I would be happy if Louisville was matched up with Minnesota at some point in the tournament.

[Assembly Hall]

That was before they lost just about every big ten game.

I would be happy if Louisville was matched up with Minnesota at some point in the tournament.

You dont want to play them, even on a neutral floor. Bad match up for the Cards. The pieces are there, they just havent shown too well in the B1G.

[Chip R]

How IU started wearing the candy striped warmups.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/indiana-began-wearing-trademark-candy-striped-warmup-pants-161242553--ncaab.html#more-19322

[Hoosier Red]

Good find Chip. That's awesome.

[redsfanmia]

20 years is too long, finally a Big "ten" championship!

[Assembly Hall]

20 years is too long, finally a Big "ten" championship!

I hear ya loud and clear.:thumbup:

[Simon Rhymon]

After what Sampson did to the program, Crean was the right guy at the right time. Great reward for what he did to bring IU back.

[dabvu2498]

Coach Schrute went a lil nutso.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21850448/crean-tells-former-iu-assistant-you-helped-wreck-our-program

[traderumor]

Coach Schrute went a lil nutso.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21850448/crean-tells-former-iu-assistant-you-helped-wreck-our-programWow, but glad to hear he called to apologize. Crean seems to be, um, a bit out of balance.

[mdccclxix]

Not a Crean fan at all. No surprise he's related to the Harbaugh's as well.

[bucksfan2]

Not a Crean fan at all. No surprise he's related to the Harbaugh's as well.

I liked Crean when he was at Marquette. But over his time at IU I have started to dislike him. I can't stand his antics running all over the court during a game. He is the only coach of a power program that I can think of who does that. I don't know what IU fans think of that but I would like someone to tell him to tone down and if he can't stay within the coaches box he should get a T.

[Playadlc]

Incredible win for IU. Outright B1G championship and locks up a #1 seed in the Midwest.