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Reds Fanatic
04-07-2012, 04:04 PM
Reds lineup:

Phillips 4
Cozart 6
Votto 3
Rolen 5
Bruce 9
Heisey 7
Stubbs 8
Mesoraco 2
Latos 1

reds44
04-07-2012, 04:26 PM
Now that's a lineup I can get behind.

KittyDuran
04-07-2012, 04:32 PM
Waiting to get into GABP!

Redsfan320
04-07-2012, 05:33 PM
Have fun, KittyDuran! I'll be down at GABP tomorrow myself! (praying Bronson keeps it in the park)

320

KittyDuran
04-07-2012, 06:15 PM
Reds Red Carpet...w/Eben & Josh...photos of Bray, Phillips & the crowd.

membengal
04-07-2012, 06:33 PM
Should be a fun night. Thrilled that its sold out. Go get 'em, rook, new guy.

1990REDS
04-07-2012, 06:58 PM
Anyone in the Columbus area getting the Reds game on FSN? Or are you getting the garbage blue jacket game.

RedsMan3203
04-07-2012, 07:09 PM
Anyone in the Columbus area getting the Reds game on FSN? Or are you getting the garbage blue jacket game.

I'm getting the game on FSN Cincinnati - I'm on DirecTV.

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 07:14 PM
Anyone in the Columbus area getting the Reds game on FSN? Or are you getting the garbage blue jacket game.

I'm getting the Reds.I'd bet ya you can find it somewhere.When there's a CBJ or Cavs game on the Reds show up on some odd channel 100% of the time in my experience.Keep looking.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 07:17 PM
1-2-3 yessiree

RBA
04-07-2012, 07:18 PM
Nice work by that pitcher. Was that a Reds pitcher?

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WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 07:20 PM
Gave up cable years ago. I'll give you my account number and we both make money.

BCubb2003
04-07-2012, 07:20 PM
Nice work by that pitcher. Was that a Reds pitcher?

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How many aces can a team have?

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 07:30 PM
Ahead 1-2 on LoMo, Latos induces weak contact and Phillips is able to turn it into an impressive double play.

Brutus
04-07-2012, 07:31 PM
Another 1-2-3 inning... sort of.

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 07:31 PM
Nasty change up.Gaby Sanchez takes a seat.

Degenerate39
04-07-2012, 07:38 PM
Perfect game, perfect game, perfect game.
Perfect game, perfect game, perfect game.
Perfect game, perfect game, perfect game.
Perfect game, perfect game, perfect game.

Brutus
04-07-2012, 07:39 PM
Perfect game, perfect game, perfect game.
Perfect game, perfect game, perfect game.
Perfect game, perfect game, perfect game.
Perfect game, perfect game, perfect game.

I sense you're trying to say Nolasco is throwing a PERFECT GAME right now.

corkedbat
04-07-2012, 07:40 PM
Heisey took a detour through Covington going after that one. :(

Degenerate39
04-07-2012, 07:41 PM
I sense you're trying to say Nolasco is throwing a PERFECT GAME right now.

That's a perfect way of saying it.

corkedbat
04-07-2012, 07:51 PM
How many hits and BBs do the Reds have?

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 07:52 PM
Nolasco perfect through 2.2 ip

corkedbat
04-07-2012, 07:52 PM
Does the bad ju-ju work when you;re trying to junx someone? :)

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 07:52 PM
I was typing so I posted it!

Brutus
04-07-2012, 07:52 PM
Perfect crisis, averted.

corkedbat
04-07-2012, 07:53 PM
Evidently. Mes with the first hit. :D

corkedbat
04-07-2012, 07:53 PM
How many runs do the Reds have? :D

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 07:53 PM
They are being shut out.

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 07:54 PM
well crap!

corkedbat
04-07-2012, 07:55 PM
Well, one outta two ain't bad.

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 07:55 PM
I should've typed slower.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 07:57 PM
Mat looking pretty good tonight. Hope the bats come to life. It is Nolasco, but I recall him always pitching well against us.

OldRightHander
04-07-2012, 08:06 PM
Well, the staff wasn't going to keep an ERA of 0 forever.

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 08:06 PM
RBI double by Stanton.1-0 Miami

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:06 PM
Looks the Marlins are not tired from travel or the new stadium opening tonight.

hebroncougar
04-07-2012, 08:09 PM
Nice work by that pitcher. Was that a Reds pitcher?

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cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:12 PM
Ok Nolasco, enough is enough!!! Need some runs, heck runners here.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:14 PM
Yeppers!

mth123
04-07-2012, 08:14 PM
Cozart lead-off triple

OldRightHander
04-07-2012, 08:14 PM
3B for Cozart. Votto about to tie it...or better.

mth123
04-07-2012, 08:14 PM
Votto 2 run dinger.

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 08:14 PM
Votto!!!!!!!!!

2-1 Reds

Nathan
04-07-2012, 08:15 PM
I was going to type Votto wasn't going to get anything to hit!

reds44
04-07-2012, 08:15 PM
Joey. Votto.

OldRightHander
04-07-2012, 08:15 PM
3B for Cozart. Votto about to tie it...or better.

Better!:jump:

BCubb2003
04-07-2012, 08:15 PM
Sign him to some more years ...

corkedbat
04-07-2012, 08:16 PM
That's what they're payin' ya for son! Lovin' cozart!

mth123
04-07-2012, 08:16 PM
Joey. Votto.

Worth every penny.:thumbup:

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:17 PM
I think I should just post more...Awesome!!!!!

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 08:17 PM
Worth every penny.:thumbup:

At least for the first 6 year.:laugh:

Big Klu
04-07-2012, 08:17 PM
Congratulations to Joey Votto, who has now tied Ernie Lombardi for 19th place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Brandon Phillips - 124
19. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Joey Votto - 120
21. Sean Casey - 118
22. Frank McCormick - 110
23. Dave Parker - 107
24. Chris Sabo - 104
25. Dave Concepcion - 101
25. Jay Bruce - 101

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 08:19 PM
I'd like to see Joey pass Morgan this year.Needs 33 more.

Big Klu
04-07-2012, 08:20 PM
I'd like to see Joey pass Morgan this year.Need 33 more.

It's very possible that Votto could catch Morgan and Rose this year.

BCubb2003
04-07-2012, 08:20 PM
I'd like to see Joey pass Morgan this year.Needs 33 more.

He has to catch Brandon first.

OldRightHander
04-07-2012, 08:22 PM
Like to see him catch Davis, but maybe that would be a bit much to ask for.

Big Klu
04-07-2012, 08:22 PM
He has to catch Brandon first.

Theoretically, Votto could catch Morgan/Rose and not catch Phillips. (This would be a very good thing for the Reds.)

Degenerate39
04-07-2012, 08:22 PM
It's awesome seeing Votto, Bruce, and Phillips all on that list

Redsfan320
04-07-2012, 08:23 PM
Triple from Cozy, then a Votto Funkblast. Let's go Reds!

320

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 08:23 PM
He has to catch Brandon first.

Shouldn't be a problem.I wouldn't be completely surprised if Bruce caught Phillips although it'll take a monster year by Jay or a subpar year(hopefully HR's only if this is the case)by Brandon.

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 08:24 PM
Infante goes deep.Tie ballgame.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:25 PM
Infante owns Latos

_Sir_Charles_
04-07-2012, 08:26 PM
I like what I'm seeing from Mesoraco. Nice footwork, sets a nice target too. Seems to be solid defensively.

BCubb2003
04-07-2012, 08:27 PM
Theoretically, Votto could catch Morgan/Rose and not catch Phillips. (This would be a very good thing for the Reds.)

Yes, a veritable Mantle and Maris.

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 08:27 PM
I like what I'm seeing from Mesoraco. Nice footwork, sets a nice target too. Seems to be solid defensively.

I've noticed he seems to shake his glove right before the pitch.Doesn't seem normal.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:28 PM
Is Latos missing up a bunch tonight?

11larkin11
04-07-2012, 08:28 PM
Stopping in to say hey to everyone in the GT. Won't be able to participate in many this year due to my new job, mainly late games and select weekend games. Here's to a great season!:beerme:

OldRightHander
04-07-2012, 08:29 PM
Sitting in the car waiting on my wife to get out of the store so I can get home and watch the rest of this game, and she's taking her sweet time.

Captain Hook
04-07-2012, 08:31 PM
Theoretically, Votto could catch Morgan/Rose and not catch Phillips. (This would be a very good thing for the Reds.)

That could happen and Bruce could still end up ahead of all current Reds.Now that would be awesome.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:31 PM
Hanley might come out of his shoes here.

OldRightHander
04-07-2012, 08:33 PM
That could happen and Bruce could still end up ahead of all current Reds.Now that would be awesome.

If that happens, a few those are going to be hit in late October.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:37 PM
Latos is not making things easy for himself or his offense.

redsfaninbsg
04-07-2012, 08:40 PM
Not a good debut.

reds44
04-07-2012, 08:40 PM
Latos pitched like Volquez.

Tom Servo
04-07-2012, 08:40 PM
So do we hate Latos now?

_Sir_Charles_
04-07-2012, 08:41 PM
He looked like a completely different pitcher on the mound once he went from the stretch. A huge difference in location when he does that.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:41 PM
Disappointing but we can still score against Nolasco for sure. Pressure on the bullpen and Arroyo tomorrow to throw more than 5 innings.

reds44
04-07-2012, 08:42 PM
He couldn't throw anything off speed for a strike.

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 08:43 PM
Nolasco is jut soft tossing up there a bunch of garbage and the Reds hitters cannot seem to lay off and wait him out.

redsfaninbsg
04-07-2012, 08:43 PM
He couldn't throw anything off speed for a strike.


This.

CTA513
04-07-2012, 08:43 PM
Maybe we'll get to see Simon pitch tonight?

reds44
04-07-2012, 08:43 PM
Well here's the weakness of the Reds right now. Anybody except for Chapman and Marshall out of the pen.

dabvu2498
04-07-2012, 08:44 PM
Disappointing but we can still score against Nolasco for sure. Pressure on the bullpen and Arroyo tomorrow to throw more than 5 innings.

Third time through the order too.

First 2 times through, he worked ahead. Lots of fastballs early. 3rd time seemed like he was overusing off speed and over-cooking them when he did.

Then, when he had to throw FBs... Boom.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:44 PM
Ondrusek cannot find it either.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:45 PM
Third time through the order too.

First 2 times through, he worked ahead. Lots of fastballs early. 3rd time seemed like he was overusing off speed and over-cooking them when he did.

Then, when he had to throw FBs... Boom.

We cannot really use the excuse of young with him can we?

RedsManRick
04-07-2012, 08:48 PM
Anybody else watching (trying to) the game on MLB.tv? It won't load for me; curious if I'm the only one.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:49 PM
I am sure Latos will not use excuses, but maybe Hanigan should catch Arroyo and Latos? I hear Devon is good back there, but doesn't Hanigan call a better game for a guy like Latos? No clue here, just a thought.

BCubb2003
04-07-2012, 08:49 PM
Anybody else watching (trying to) the game on MLB.tv? It won't load for me; curious if I'm the only one.

I had trouble at the start. Had to sign out and sign back in.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:51 PM
There are the aggressive reds we love! Oh wait...

RedsManRick
04-07-2012, 08:51 PM
I had trouble at the start. Had to sign out and sign back in.

Darn. Have done that twice to no avail.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 08:52 PM
At least we have the top of the order up next inning.

redsfaninbsg
04-07-2012, 09:03 PM
Am I the only one that feels the Marlins should have a much bigger lead?

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:06 PM
Am I the only one that feels the Marlins should have a much bigger lead?

The hits say they should be up big.

reds44
04-07-2012, 09:09 PM
That dude can hit.

Playadlc
04-07-2012, 09:09 PM
Cozart is such a stud.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:12 PM
Uggggghhhh

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 09:16 PM
Something more than ugghhh would really help here.

Please do not tell me they cannot get to Nolasco. This guy is throwing junk and it's not the good kind either.

reds44
04-07-2012, 09:17 PM
1st and 2nd nobody out and Votto GIDP.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:17 PM
Something more than ugghhh would really help here.

Please do not tell me they cannot get to Nolasco. This guy is throwing junk and it's not the good kind either.

Sorry, but DP just hurts to type.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:18 PM
Reds hitters are impatient tonight.

Kc61
04-07-2012, 09:19 PM
Something more than ugghhh would really help here.

Please do not tell me they cannot get to Nolasco. This guy is throwing junk and it's not the good kind either.

This is why I've been complaining for months - years - about the Reds having so many right handed hitters.

A few more lefty hitters would make it so much easier against pitchers like Nolasco IMO.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:19 PM
We need to keep them right here and we will score some more runs!

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 09:20 PM
Sorry, but DP just hurts to type.

I understand.

oneupper
04-07-2012, 09:20 PM
This is why I've been complaining for months - years - about the Reds having so many right handed hitters.

A few more lefty hitters would make it so much easier against pitchers like Nolasco IMO.

Be prepared to repeat this comment all year. :(

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:20 PM
This is why I've been complaining for months - years - about the Reds having so many right handed hitters.

A few more lefty hitters would make it so much easier against pitchers like Nolasco IMO.

I know he was not always terrific, but a Laynce Nix sure could help right now.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:21 PM
Ramirez homers and it's 6-2.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:22 PM
Good lord! Well, our pitching is not bringing it tonight. 2 run dinger Hanley. The Marlins have arrived. Not good for Arroyo tomorrow.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:24 PM
Meanwhile, the Astros and Orioles are crushing the ball this evening. What a funny game.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:25 PM
I know there are 160 games left, but why do I feel like I'm watching a replay from last year? Pitching has been bad tonight And the middle of the order requires No-Doz. surely this game is an abboration.

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 09:25 PM
Nothing really changes on this pitching staff. It might be better than 2001-08, but then most anything would have been..... but it's always a problem to get any consistency from this whole staff.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:27 PM
I know there are 160 games left, but why do I feel like I'm watching a replay from last year? Pitching has been bad tonight And the middle of the order requires No-Doz. surely this game is an abc oration.

Because we still have someone telling the hitters to swing early. Hopefully, Heisey, Stubbs and Mez can show something here.

6-2 Fish....come on boys.

kaldaniels
04-07-2012, 09:27 PM
Nothing really changes on this pitching staff. It might be better than 2001-08, but then most anything would have been..... but it's always a problem to get any consistency from this whole staff.

Nothing changes on Redszone either.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:28 PM
Nothing really changes on this pitching staff. It might be better than 2001-08, but then most anything would have been..... but it's always a problem to get any consistency from this whole staff.

Honestly, we are one more starter and reliever away. We could have that guy in Corcino soon for the starter. Reliever, well Madson would have been nice eh?!

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:29 PM
Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Bruce...one pitch, one out.

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 09:29 PM
Nothing changes on Redszone either.

And beacuse I make this observation during the 2nd game of the year.....it means I am wrong?

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:31 PM
Chris bunts on...Stubbs, one pitch and out....way to stay patient and work the pitcher after another crooked number...:(

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:32 PM
Mes is up with a runner on and Miggy on deck. Eight pitches in the inning as Mes grounds out. If that's the club philosophy, heads should roll.

paulrichjr
04-07-2012, 09:33 PM
Chapman pitching

paulrichjr
04-07-2012, 09:33 PM
Never mind Simon. He's a big dude

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:34 PM
That was faster then needed.


Kinda glad we don't start off 9-0 again. It didn't work last year. An early loss will wake us up? Maybe Cairo can spark our offense tomorrow afternoon?

Kc61
04-07-2012, 09:34 PM
And beacuse I make this observation during the 2nd game of the year.....it means I am wrong?

Latos will be fine, he does need to get used to the friendly confines of GABP.

Lecure, on the other hand, is an innings eater. Some folks on here want him to pitch the late innings, no way IMO. He's too hittable.

Reds should score 8 runs when Nolasco pitches. I wish the team had a lefty righty platoon in LF with a tough lefty hitter facing guys like Nolasco. I think it would really help against pitchers like this.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:35 PM
That was faster then needed.


Kinda glad we don't start off 9-0 again. It didn't work last year. An early loss will wake us up? Maybe Cairo can spark our offense tomorrow afternoon?
Ugh

Gainesville Red
04-07-2012, 09:35 PM
Infante es enfuego.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:35 PM
Ugh

:laugh:

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:36 PM
Infante needs to get an ice bath tomorrow by Bronson.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:37 PM
So why in the world did we put this guy on our roster?!!!!!!!!

paulrichjr
04-07-2012, 09:37 PM
Simon = batting practice

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:37 PM
Simon. Wow. Who thought he would be OK in this ballpark?

Kc61
04-07-2012, 09:37 PM
Chapman pitching

No, Simon pitching and immediately gives up a booming triple. Followed by a booming homer.

Why on earth did the Reds get this Simon guy? What exactly does he add?

oneupper
04-07-2012, 09:38 PM
Well, at least we don't have to worry about losing another one run game. :D

Red in Chicago
04-07-2012, 09:38 PM
Sigh-mon

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:38 PM
No, Simon pitching and immediately gives up a booming triple. Followed by a booming homer.

Why on earth did the Reds get this Simon guy? What exactly does he add?

Fire that scout. Bring back Frazier and let the rest of the pitchers pick up the slack.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:39 PM
Well, at least we don't have to worry about losing another one run game. :D

Indeed. Maybe we can have a 10-31 record with 10+ run games.

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 09:39 PM
Simon. Wow. Who thought he would be OK in this ballpark?

Some soon to be ex-scout? Even Dusty said that he was going off what his scouts said about him. Since most people seem to trust the Reds scouts over whatever Dusty thinks...... then they have to be right? ;)

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:40 PM
Simon's 5.17 career ERA must have swayed them

paulrichjr
04-07-2012, 09:40 PM
A real shame...this game. Sold out house with lots of excited fans to go home and talk about the Reds and instead they go home disappointed.

Simon gives up a two run homer than strikes out 3 in a row.

oneupper
04-07-2012, 09:40 PM
We can give this Simon guy more than one inning before we write him off.

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 09:41 PM
Fire that scout. Bring back Frazier and let the rest of the pitchers pick up the slack.

IF Dusty would allow relievers to pitch more than 1 inning....or it seems like 1/3 or 2/3 every other night....that might work as it would rest some guys 2 days at a time. But he loves to empty out a bullpen until he has no choice. He does not believe a real long man actually can be used.

paulrichjr
04-07-2012, 09:41 PM
He gives up the 2 run homer and then strikes out the side. Looked dominant.

Big Klu
04-07-2012, 09:42 PM
Alfredo Simon channeling his inner Esteban Yan.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:44 PM
They will keep him after he strikes out 3. He will sit though for a while. Next time he pitches I guess he will strike out the first 2, Dusty will grin and then he gives up 3 straight Homeruns. Hopefully, Dusty will be smiling while checking his iPad on an off day while on milb.tv. Simon is the new Fischer!!!

oneupper
04-07-2012, 09:45 PM
Infante with a nice play.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:45 PM
IF Dusty would allow relievers to pitch more than 1 inning....or it seems like 1/3 or 2/3 every other night....that might work as it would rest some guys 2 days at a time. But he loves to empty out a bullpen until he has no choice. He does not believe a real long man actually can be used.

They could handle it, if he did not make pitching changes when the pitcher bats second the following inning every time.

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 09:45 PM
Latos will be fine, he does need to get used to the friendly confines of GABP.

Lecure, on the other hand, is an innings eater. Some folks on here want him to pitch the late innings, no way IMO. He's too hittable.

Reds should score 8 runs when Nolasco pitches. I wish the team had a lefty righty platoon in LF with a tough lefty hitter facing guys like Nolasco. I think it would really help against pitchers like this.

He does not need to get used to throwing strikes.....he has to do that no matter what park he is in.

I can deal with the loss....but i do not trust Arroyo at all.

The excuses for not hitting bad pitchers has to stop eventually.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:46 PM
Cozart the one bright spot

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:47 PM
This just in. Cozart is da man!!! He will do very well this year in front of Votto!

klw
04-07-2012, 09:48 PM
Valdez clearly doesn't know he must swing at first pitch, takes 4 and has an 8 p ab. cozart with the HR!!!

8-3

Kc61
04-07-2012, 09:49 PM
He does not need to get used to throwing strikes.....he has to do that no matter what park he is in.

I can deal with the loss....but i do not trust Arroyo at all.

The excuses for not hitting bad pitchers has to stop eventually.

Reds don't hit some righties because they lack lefty hitting. Not an excuse, just the obvious fact that should have been rectified this off-season, but was not.

Hopefully games like this will show some fans that relievers matter. This was a two run ballgame before Messrs. Lecure and Simon got their hands on it.

When I think that some fans wanted to go with a pen with no Madson, no Masset, and no Chapman -- and said it was a fine bullpen -- I have to laugh.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:50 PM
Middle of the order (Rolen, Bruce, Heisey) are 1-9.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:50 PM
Now the question in hindsight. Do you leave in Latos for at least one more inning? He was having trouble finding the zone, not getting torched by every batter.

Kc61
04-07-2012, 09:52 PM
Middle of the order (Rolen, Bruce, Heisey) are 1-9.

Heisey will need to hit RHP. He's done so in the past. If not, the Reds will need to replace him with a lefty platoon bat in LF.

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 09:52 PM
Yes Cozart looks really good. When they start pitching him more carefully....hopefully he does not go fishing and Votto can clean up the bases.

Kc61
04-07-2012, 09:53 PM
Now the question in hindsight. Do you leave in Latos for at least one more inning? He was having trouble finding the zone, not getting torched by every batter.

Actually, in hindsight, Latos was left in too long. When the bases were loaded, a new pitcher to face Stanton may have worked better.

Second guessing, whatever, get Zambrano tomorrow.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:54 PM
Reds don't hit some righties because they lack lefty hitting. Not an excuse, just the obvious fact that should have been rectified this off-season, but the lefties are 1-7 tonight. I think impatience has more to do with it.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 09:55 PM
Actually, in hindsight, Latos was left in too long. When the bases were loaded, a new pitcher to face Stanton may have worked better.

Second guessing, whatever, get Zambrano tomorrow.

I feel, we burned pitchers that we did not need to now. I really hope Bronson can be crafty against these Marlins tomorrow and these guys go out and party hard after their first victory!

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 09:56 PM
Reds don't hit some righties because they lack lefty hitting. Not an excuse, just the obvious fact that should have been rectified this off-season, but was not.

Hopefully games like this will show some fans that relievers matter. This was a two run ballgame before Messrs. Lecure and Simon got their hands on it.

When I think that some fans wanted to go with a pen with no Madson, no Masset, and no Chapman -- and said it was a fine bullpen -- I have to laugh.


The Votto homer notwithstanding.....the 2 best hitters on this team are the 2 LH's....and they did not look good against what looks to be a channeling of Greg Maddux tonight by Nolasco.

Now almost the entire bullpen has been used......so Arroyo better be thinking no worse than 6 on Sunday.

I heard then say the #5 starter will not be skipped. You know what...... you think skipping him and using Leake in long relief would not have been something to look at until he needed to start? I would not have thought tonight it would be needed....but it was.

oneupper
04-07-2012, 09:58 PM
infante on deck with a chance for the cycle. Needs single.

Kc61
04-07-2012, 09:59 PM
the lefties are 1-7 tonight. I think impatience has more to do with it.

I disagree. Votto has a two run homer. What have the righty bats contributed?

Look at Nolasco's splits for last year, for his career. You want to get to him, load up the lineup with LH hitters. Reds don't have them.

Really good pitchers are equally tough against all hitting. For them, it doesn't matter.

For guys like Nolasco, he can't overcome the percentages. Load up the lineup with LH hitters you have a big advantage. Whatever, I'm tired of making this argument, the Reds obviously don't buy it.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 09:59 PM
Arrendondo reverts to old form. Back to back walks. Down 5 runs I guess it doesn't matter. Still can't find the zone

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 10:00 PM
Bronson has pretty good numbers vs Marlins fwiw.

kaldaniels
04-07-2012, 10:00 PM
I think every reliever for the Reds has pitched in 1 of the first 2 games. With an off day. Not what I call a used up pen.

oneupper
04-07-2012, 10:00 PM
Arroyo would probably be tough on the RH heavy REDS lineup.

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 10:01 PM
Bronson has pretty good numbers vs Marlins fwiw.

With this logic though...Latos had great numbers until tonight...you never know.

Kc61
04-07-2012, 10:03 PM
The Votto homer notwithstanding.....the 2 best hitters on this team are the 2 LH's....and they did not look good against what looks to be a channeling of Greg Maddux tonight by Nolasco.

Now almost the entire bullpen has been used......so Arroyo better be thinking no worse than 6 on Sunday.

I heard then say the #5 starter will not be skipped. You know what...... you think skipping him and using Leake in long relief would not have been something to look at until he needed to start? I would not have thought tonight it would be needed....but it was.

I don't know how the Votto homer can be "notwithstanding." It produced two runs. What have the six righties produced?

I know Arredondo is wild, but I continue to like the guy. He is hard to hit. He throws hard and has a good breaking pitch.

oneupper
04-07-2012, 10:04 PM
No cycle for Infante. Still Looks like a bargain for $4 mm/year.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 10:05 PM
Infante missed the cycle. Let's hope we tie and he gets another chance!

cbowen2112
04-07-2012, 10:05 PM
Let's hope old Bell is just way too rusty out there!!!

reds44
04-07-2012, 10:06 PM
Latos career/entering tonight: April 1-6 (5.57)...rest of season 26-23 (3.14)

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 10:07 PM
I guess starting the season 1-1 is an old Reds tradition. Seems like more often than not its been that way

reds44
04-07-2012, 10:07 PM
I guess starting the season 1-1 is an old Reds tradition. Seems like more often than not its been that way
We started 5-0 last year and 0-2 the year before lol

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 10:08 PM
I'll take 1-1 over 0-2 :)

Kc61
04-07-2012, 10:10 PM
Didn't figure that the Marlins would lose every game. They were due to win. But the pitching matchup favored the Reds tonight. And now they have lost.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 10:11 PM
Final 8-3 Marlins. Middle of the order 1-12.
First pitch hitting kills.

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 10:14 PM
Welsh said Randy Of Pure Blood told him that Nolasco would attack the zone and change speeds..... well he did change speeds....but his pitches were either moving better than they looked....beacuse they were not really a majority of strikes. Just pitches that looked close ...and with a patient impaired hitting team.... that's bad news.

Tony Cloninger
04-07-2012, 11:00 PM
I disagree. Votto has a two run homer. What have the righty bats contributed?

Look at Nolasco's splits for last year, for his career. You want to get to him, load up the lineup with LH hitters. Reds don't have them.

Really good pitchers are equally tough against all hitting. For them, it doesn't matter.

For guys like Nolasco, he can't overcome the percentages. Load up the lineup with LH hitters you have a big advantage. Whatever, I'm tired of making this argument, the Reds obviously don't buy it.



You forgot what Cozart did.

Even if they get a LH bat for LF.....you still have RH at 2B, 3B and C and SS. YOu are stuck with RH and they are not going to platoon those positions with another LH bat.

mth123
04-07-2012, 11:23 PM
You forgot what Cozart did.

Even if they get a LH bat for LF.....you still have RH at 2B, 3B and C and SS. YOu are stuck with RH and they are not going to platoon those positions with another LH bat.

If you look at the splits, the Reds line-up is filled with guys who murder LHP and really struggle against RHP. The main culprits held over from last year are Rolen, Stubbs, Cairo and Hanigan, but Phillips has historically been very splitty and rookie RH bats in Cozart and Mesoraco figure to have a platoon split as well. Both Ludwick and Heisey have been OK vs RHP. This is where the Francisco deal hurts IMO. Rolen really struggled against RHP last year. Francisco would have been another lefty who hits against RHP and I do think the Reds should have a lefty who can play twice per week at 3B while Rolen rests. Perhaps Willie Harris will get a chance, but he's not really a hitter who helps against anyone.

Another LH Bat in the OF may allow the Reds to sit Stubbs a little more against RHP with Heisey shifting to CF. I think when a RH is on the mound, the Reds need at least one more guy who hits well against them in the line-up. That may not be one player. It may be a guy who can hit RHP playing 3B a couple days per week and another subbing for Stubbs on other days. The way the roster is structured, the Reds are vulnerable to RHP which happens to be about 70% of the time. Unfortunately, the next guy in line at AAA (Todd Frazier) may also be more of a lefty killer at the major league level.

Kc61
04-08-2012, 12:09 AM
If you look at the splits, the Reds line-up is filled with guys who murder LHP and really struggle against RHP. The main culprits held over from last year are Rolen, Stubbs, Cairo and Hanigan, but Phillips has historically been very splitty and rookie RH bats in Cozart and Mesoraco figure to have a platoon split as well. Both Ludwick and Heisey have been OK vs RHP. This is where the Francisco deal hurts IMO. Rolen really struggled against RHP last year. Francisco would have been another lefty who hits against RHP and I do think the Reds should have a lefty who can play twice per week at 3B while Rolen rests. Perhaps Willie Harris will get a chance, but he's not really a hitter who helps against anyone.

Another LH Bat in the OF may allow the Reds to sit Stubbs a little more against RHP with Heisey shifting to CF. I think when a RH is on the mound, the Reds need at least one more guy who hits well against them in the line-up. That may not be one player. It may be a guy who can hit RHP playing 3B a couple days per week and another subbing for Stubbs on other days. The way the roster is structured, the Reds are vulnerable to RHP which happens to be about 70% of the time. Unfortunately, the next guy in line at AAA (Todd Frazier) may also be more of a lefty killer at the major league level.

The key starting player in all this IMO is Heisey.

Because he has hit righties well, the Reds use Heisey as a substitute for a left handed hitter.

It seems likely that eventually the percentages will catch up with Chris and he will level off against RHP.

I think a more traditional platoon in LF, with a lefty hitter and Ludwick, would be better.

As for Rolen, he was hurt last year, it shouldn't count much. Over his career he hits righty pitching well enough. My concern with Rolen isn't so much hitting RHP, it's more whether he is healthy enough to be effective generally.

Tony Cloninger
04-08-2012, 12:20 AM
If you look at the splits, the Reds line-up is filled with guys who murder LHP and really struggle against RHP. The main culprits held over from last year are Rolen, Stubbs, Cairo and Hanigan, but Phillips has historically been very splitty and rookie RH bats in Cozart and Mesoraco figure to have a platoon split as well. Both Ludwick and Heisey have been OK vs RHP. This is where the Francisco deal hurts IMO. Rolen really struggled against RHP last year. Francisco would have been another lefty who hits against RHP and I do think the Reds should have a lefty who can play twice per week at 3B while Rolen rests. Perhaps Willie Harris will get a chance, but he's not really a hitter who helps against anyone.

Another LH Bat in the OF may allow the Reds to sit Stubbs a little more against RHP with Heisey shifting to CF. I think when a RH is on the mound, the Reds need at least one more guy who hits well against them in the line-up. That may not be one player. It may be a guy who can hit RHP playing 3B a couple days per week and another subbing for Stubbs on other days. The way the roster is structured, the Reds are vulnerable to RHP which happens to be about 70% of the time. Unfortunately, the next guy in line at AAA (Todd Frazier) may also be more of a lefty killer at the major league level.


I am in agreement with you and KC. But they sure wasted time doing something about this sooner.

I think even Javier Valentin would be preferred over Willie Harris right now.....but who knows....Miguel surprised everyone for the last 2 years as well.

Kc61
04-08-2012, 12:44 AM
I am in agreement with you and KC. But they sure wasted time doing something about this sooner.

I think even Javier Valentin would be preferred over Willie Harris right now.....but who knows....Miguel surprised everyone for the last 2 years as well.

It doesn't seem to have been a priority.

They made two key decisions. First, they decided to go with Heisey/Ludwick for LF. I think both players are pretty good, but they are too similar. A traditional platoon made more sense.

The second decision was to trade Francisco. Again, fine, but as you say, this leaves Willie Harris as the LHH on the bench. Reds could use a better LH bench hitter.

Tony Cloninger
04-08-2012, 10:24 AM
It doesn't seem to have been a priority.

They made two key decisions. First, they decided to go with Heisey/Ludwick for LF. I think both players are pretty good, but they are too similar. A traditional platoon made more sense.

The second decision was to trade Francisco. Again, fine, but as you say, this leaves Willie Harris as the LHH on the bench. Reds could use a better LH bench hitter.


Raul Ibanez? I know....he's 40. But he signed for less than $2 million.

Of course.... since Heisey cannot hit LH pitching beacuse of his inability to reach out for pitches ...it seems and his plate coverage is not very good on the outside..... than it would not have made a difference.

mth123
04-08-2012, 10:45 AM
The key starting player in all this IMO is Heisey.

Because he has hit righties well, the Reds use Heisey as a substitute for a left handed hitter.

It seems likely that eventually the percentages will catch up with Chris and he will level off against RHP.

I think a more traditional platoon in LF, with a lefty hitter and Ludwick, would be better.

As for Rolen, he was hurt last year, it shouldn't count much. Over his career he hits righty pitching well enough. My concern with Rolen isn't so much hitting RHP, it's more whether he is healthy enough to be effective generally.

I think its a mistake to assume that Rolen's new found health will last. He had a surgery that relieved his pain and freed his swing and right now that's great, but he's had surgery before, felt better and after a couple of months of wear and tear through playing baseball was right back to pain, reduced production and frequent missed paying time. I hope Rolen can have an .800+ OPS season with 500 PAs, but I think counting on it (as the team seems to be doing with him penciled in as the clean-up hitter) is a foolish plan. We may witness a couple of good months, but I'd prefer he be a bottom of the order guy where his production could be a bonus. On the current roster, there really isn't a good choice, but I hope some one can emerge as a middle of the order force against RHP down the road for when Rolen may not be so healthy. I though Francisco may have been one of the better bets for that before he was dealt. I'd probably put the best odds on Ludwick of the guys that are left.