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mattfeet
04-18-2012, 04:37 PM
Cozart 6, Stubbs 8, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Bruce 9, Rolen 5, Heisey 7, Mesoraco 2, Latos RHP

I like the lineup shakeup. Stubbs might get some pitches to hit being in front of Votto. That said, he still has to make contact, so....

Latos vying for his first W as a Red. His outings have gotten marginally better since his debut, but still has some work to do. It'd be money to have him shut the Cards down and stop this losing train.

-Matt

Boss-Hog
04-18-2012, 04:40 PM
I like this lineup as much as any against a lefty, too.

Redsfan320
04-18-2012, 04:45 PM
For now, I dont' mind it. Somebody had to move up to 1 or 2 with BP going down to 4, and basically everyone's been crappy so why not? That said, what I want to see happen eventually is BP back to 1, Cozy 2, Votto 3, Bruce 4, 3B/LF 5/6, Stubbs 7, C 8, P 9.

Let's get a win behind Latos!

320

kbrake
04-18-2012, 05:19 PM
Really like that lineup props to Dusty for trying to mix it up.

Reds1
04-18-2012, 05:35 PM
I like it a lot. Love seeing Heisey and Mesoraco. Glad Dusty noticed and made the change. Just takes him a few extra days. :)

Degenerate39
04-18-2012, 08:14 PM
I actually like this lineup

oneupper
04-18-2012, 08:59 PM
The hitters have to be patient against Garcia. He is very capable of throwing strikes, but won't do so unless he absolutely has to.

VottoFan54
04-18-2012, 09:16 PM
Cards lineup:

Rafael Furcal (S) SS
Carlos Beltran (S) RF
Matt Holliday (R) LF
Lance Berkman (S) 1B
David Freese (R) 3B
Yadier Molina (R) C
Jon Jay (L) CF
Tyler Greene (R) 2B
Jaime Garcia (L) P

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:18 PM
Good leadoff AB by Cozart to draw a 4 pitch walk.

-Matt

757690
04-18-2012, 09:19 PM
Little nervous. Hard to believe Garcia will have back to back bad starts.

VottoFan54
04-18-2012, 09:20 PM
Stubbs K :(

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:21 PM
Votto GIDP

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:24 PM
Furcal double to start the game for the Cards.

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:27 PM
Latos walks Beltran. Of course, with how Beltran has hit the Reds thus far, I can't say I mind too much.

-Matt

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:28 PM
Holliday flies out to Bruce. Furcal advances to 3rd.

-Matt

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:29 PM
Wheres everyone at tonight? No one else watching?

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:30 PM
Berkman squirts a dribbler between Latos and Votto. Phillips fields it but Latos got there too slow. Berkman safe, Furcal scores.

-Matt

WebScorpion
04-18-2012, 09:30 PM
not much to say....looks like a resumption of last nights game. Can they play this way all year?

kbrake
04-18-2012, 09:30 PM
Just got here. Seems a lot like the first 11 games so far.

Plus Plus
04-18-2012, 09:30 PM
Them, or us?

Plus Plus
04-18-2012, 09:31 PM
And now a double steal for the Cardinals. I want to hurl things at my TV.

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:32 PM
This is so frustrating.

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:32 PM
2 run double by Freese. Wow.

Plus Plus
04-18-2012, 09:32 PM
Freese lines a double down the left field line to plate two.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 09:33 PM
This team is terrible. Berkman steals a base now? He can barely walk!

This game is over in the 1st. Reds won't score 4 runs this entire series.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 09:34 PM
Wheres everyone at tonight? No one else watching?

Can you blame them? This team is driving fans away.

RedEye
04-18-2012, 09:35 PM
Last year this team just never seemed to string enough victories in a row to make much happen. This year they seem like they just can't win period.

dougdirt
04-18-2012, 09:35 PM
You really have to ask yourself where we can sign the same deal with the devil that the Cardinals have.

Homer Bailey
04-18-2012, 09:36 PM
I've been preaching patience as much as anyone on here.... and I'm starting to lose it.

paintmered
04-18-2012, 09:37 PM
This really is starting to look like the worst case scenario.

Plus Plus
04-18-2012, 09:37 PM
I've been preaching patience as much as anyone on here.... and I'm starting to lose it.

Same here, HB. I spent the other day talking my dad off of the ledge, and now I feel like I was lying to him as I watch this team play over the last handful of games.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 09:37 PM
These starters have severe 1st inning issues. Going back to last year, how many 2-run and 3-run deficits do they find themselves in? It's just ridiculous.

RedEye
04-18-2012, 09:37 PM
I've been preaching patience as much as anyone on here.... and I'm starting to lose it.

+1. It has been awhile since I've had absolutely no faith that the Reds can come back from a 3-0 deficit. But that's where I am right now. This offense is just anemic.

edabbs44
04-18-2012, 09:38 PM
This seems like a good night for the explosion this team needs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 09:40 PM
Ok, now that that's done, it's time for the standard "3 up/3 down" reds half of the inning. If Garcia throws more than 12 pitches this inning I'll be stunned.

_Sir_Charles_
04-18-2012, 09:40 PM
Juan Francisco just hit a 2 run bomb, 2nd dinger of the year.

brad1176
04-18-2012, 09:41 PM
These guys are going to have to get mad, play with a little fire. They look lifeless out there.

membengal
04-18-2012, 09:41 PM
Zack Cozart just demanded a trade.

klw
04-18-2012, 09:42 PM
Juan Francisco just hit a 2 run bomb, 2nd dinger of the year.

well it was like 6 hours ago

RedEye
04-18-2012, 09:42 PM
Juan Francisco just hit a 2 run bomb, 2nd dinger of the year.

Can JJ Hoover play 3B?

klw
04-18-2012, 09:42 PM
http://vimeo.com/27563228
Losing is a disease

Plus Plus
04-18-2012, 09:42 PM
Bruce shows that he still wants to pull everything, fouling off a pitch that was off of the plate away to the first base side.

_Sir_Charles_
04-18-2012, 09:42 PM
well it was like 6 hours ago

Okay, I JUST saw the highlight of Juan Francisco hitting a 2 run bomb. Better? :O)

Plus Plus
04-18-2012, 09:43 PM
And then he follows up my doubting statement with a base hit to right.

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Bruce got a hit! Breaks a 0-19 stretch!

klw
04-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Okay, I JUST saw the highlight of Juan Francisco hitting a 2 run bomb. Better? :O)
much better:p

757690
04-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Seems the Reds have a pair of twins in their rotation.

Arroyo/Leake

Latos/Bailey

edabbs44
04-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Juan Francisco just hit a 2 run bomb, 2nd dinger of the year.

Pulling him even with the one and only Jonny Johnson Gomes.

RedEye
04-18-2012, 09:43 PM
And then he follows up my doubting statement with a base hit to right.

Keep them coming! Doubting statements = hits! That's what we've been missing!

Homer Bailey
04-18-2012, 09:45 PM
Keep them coming! Doubting statements = hits! That's what we've been missing!

Haha, that is certainly one thing we've not been missing.

paintmered
04-18-2012, 09:45 PM
Group therapy in chat today. Drown your sorrows with endless supplies of snark and self-provided beverages.

Plus Plus
04-18-2012, 09:45 PM
Rolen can't catch up to the 85mph fastball of Garcia and strikes out swinging.

Cedric
04-18-2012, 09:45 PM
Can we sign Dontrelle and slot him in the cleanup spot?

Playadlc
04-18-2012, 09:46 PM
Time to make TFra the everyday third basemen.

Plus Plus
04-18-2012, 09:46 PM
Heisey flies out to shallow right.

reds44
04-18-2012, 09:47 PM
We stinks.

Plus Plus
04-18-2012, 09:47 PM
R/F Fan was spot on with 12 pitches for Garcia in the inning.

WebScorpion
04-18-2012, 09:49 PM
I see a Todd Frazier start in the near future... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char067.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

CrackerJack
04-18-2012, 09:50 PM
This seems like a good night for the explosion this team needs.

Just got that a few days ago in the 8-run game, give them a few more days, or maybe at least 2 more games, similar to most of last year from what I remember, except they at least managed to eek out at least 3 runs a game more often it seemed, then.


Last 10:

1 run
8 runs (win)
1 run
1 run
2 runs
4 runs (win)
1 run
1 run
6 runs (win)
3 runs

Patterns...

klw
04-18-2012, 09:51 PM
I see a Todd Frazier start in the near future... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char067.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Day game tomorrow is destined to be an off day for Rolen

membengal
04-18-2012, 09:52 PM
Good thing the Reds are not re-negotiating their TV contract this year...

Virginia Beach Reds
04-18-2012, 09:52 PM
Mat latos is not very good! Ace? Nope.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 09:53 PM
Epic fail

membengal
04-18-2012, 09:55 PM
How bad are the Reds right now? Thom is discussing the Bengals released last night schedule.

WebScorpion
04-18-2012, 09:55 PM
Mat latos is not very good! Ace? Nope.
He does appear to have warts...starting with walking people and then holding runners. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

HokieRed
04-18-2012, 09:57 PM
Must be Dusty's fault.

klw
04-18-2012, 09:58 PM
Must be Dusty's fault.

Bob Boone's

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 09:58 PM
Wow. Beltran is crushing the Reds. Down 5-0 in the 2nd.

-Matt

membengal
04-18-2012, 09:58 PM
Must be Dusty's fault.

Are they allowed to fire the players now?

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 10:00 PM
Can we please start playing the Pirates or something?

Virginia Beach Reds
04-18-2012, 10:00 PM
There are so many glaring problems with this squad it almost seems white flag time.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:00 PM
48 pitches to get six outs for Latos. And a 5-run deficit.

_Sir_Charles_
04-18-2012, 10:00 PM
Beltran...3 for 3 lifetime versus Latos. 3 bombs. *shudders*

membengal
04-18-2012, 10:00 PM
Not Walt's fault.

Not Dusty's fault.

Not the players' fault.

Not BobC's fault.

I guess its hot dog vendor #3's fault. That guy needs to go.

HokieRed
04-18-2012, 10:01 PM
Not Walt's fault.

Not Dusty's fault.

Not the players' fault.

Not BobC's fault.

I guess its hot dog vendor #3's fault. That guy needs to go.

Might want to start at the top of this list.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:01 PM
So, Beltran luckily will be injured later in the year, because he is playing everyday....at least we hope this. Lagos doesn't look bad, the Cardnials are just starting the year off on fire. Reminds me of 2010, we sucked, they killed us and we ended up on top. Time shall tell.

membengal
04-18-2012, 10:01 PM
Might want to start at the top of this list.

Thought Walt was untouchable on this board.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:02 PM
This season could be over before the freaking Kentucky Derby!

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:02 PM
Beltran...3 for 3 lifetime versus Latos. 3 bombs. *shudders*

Well, you had to walk him. He chose to be cocky. Reds lose. Unless....nope not looking good.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:03 PM
This season could be over before the freaking Kentucky Derby!

Lol...we are not winless.

jojo
04-18-2012, 10:03 PM
I'm having real trouble enjoying this game.

HokieRed
04-18-2012, 10:03 PM
Thought Walt was untouchable on this board.

I think maybe it's time we reopen that question. I'd just like to see people get off Dusty's case. Starting to look like the construction of this team, not its execution, is the problem.

Virginia Beach Reds
04-18-2012, 10:04 PM
Brooke jacoby prepare to be sacrificed.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:05 PM
Garcia is bored. Only explanation for that.

membengal
04-18-2012, 10:06 PM
I think maybe it's time we reopen that question. I'd just like to see people get off Dusty's case. Starting to look like the construction of this team, not its execution, is the problem.

Fine by me. But that's a dark road that ends in a Walt vs. Wayne free for all and someone gets stabbed in the heart with a trident.

Virginia Beach Reds
04-18-2012, 10:06 PM
Drew Stubbs in the two hole. He has no clue what he is trying to accomplish. A predict four pitch k.

_Sir_Charles_
04-18-2012, 10:06 PM
Fine by me. But that's a dark road that ends in a Walt vs. Wayne free for all and someone gets stabbed in the heart with a trident.

LOL. Post of the night. :lol:

paintmered
04-18-2012, 10:06 PM
Plenty of Reds fans going off on Dallas Latos on Twitter. Classy.

paintmered
04-18-2012, 10:06 PM
Fine by me. But that's a dark road that ends in a Walt vs. Wayne free for all and someone gets stabbed in the heart with a trident.

Boy, that escalated quickly.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:07 PM
Drew Stubbs has no business on a ML roster.

thatcoolguy_22
04-18-2012, 10:07 PM
At least the odds of another extra innings game are low. #savethebullpen

:rant:

_Sir_Charles_
04-18-2012, 10:07 PM
Boy, that escalated quickly.

Didn't it though? Brick killed a guy. :beerme:

membengal
04-18-2012, 10:08 PM
Boy, that escalated quickly.

Indeed. Inevitablely, someone needs to find a safe house. I think that's what happened to FCB...

_Sir_Charles_
04-18-2012, 10:09 PM
*grin*

btw...did you guys hear they're making a sequel? :O)

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 10:10 PM
Plenty of Reds fans going off on Dallas Latos on Twitter. Classy.

Yea, that pisses me off. No reason for it.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 10:11 PM
Holliday, Berkman, Beltran, and Freese are just too much for Reds pitchers, and that's not even factoring in the rest of the lineup.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:11 PM
Mat Latos is not the problem with this team.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:12 PM
The fact that the Reds are down 5-0 in just the 3rd inning but have absolutely no chance to win is the fault of this pitiful offense. Not the starter.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 10:13 PM
Plenty of Reds fans going off on Dallas Latos on Twitter. Classy.
Just read some of them. Really pathetic.

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:14 PM
Holliday, Berkman, Beltran, and Freese are just too much for Reds pitchers, and that's not even factoring in the rest of the lineup.

And the Reds have... Joey Votto. And Brandon Phillips. And Jay Bruce when he's going okay.

membengal
04-18-2012, 10:14 PM
Plenty of Reds fans going off on Dallas Latos on Twitter.

You stay classy, Cincinnati.

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:14 PM
You stay classy, Cincinnati.

Cincinasty

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:15 PM
I think maybe it's time we reopen that question. I'd just like to see people get off Dusty's case. Starting to look like the construction of this team, not its execution, is the problem.
Every single position player sans Cozart is under achieving. Every single one.

wheels
04-18-2012, 10:17 PM
The real question is.... Who isn't part of the problem? Cozart?

This entire team, save for maybe three players is absolutely stinking on ice in the worst way possible.

I've never seen anything like it.

_Sir_Charles_
04-18-2012, 10:17 PM
Sad. I just read that Dick Clark passed away. 82 years old.

Sorry, back to the beating.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 10:17 PM
http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/.P4atExBHffW3cyDcmMcwQ--/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2NoPTIxNTtjcj0xO2N3PTE2NDtkeD0xO2 R5PTE7Zmk9dWxjcm9wO2g9ODU7cT0xMDA7dz02NQ--/http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/players_l/20110503x/8300.jpg
Garcia's smirk is mocking me

edabbs44
04-18-2012, 10:18 PM
Every single position player sans Cozart is under achieving. Every single one.

Yep, that's why it is too early to stick a fork in them.

Virginia Beach Reds
04-18-2012, 10:18 PM
Hahaha. Bad hit follow next grounder double play. Where is Dante bichette?

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:18 PM
$70,000,000 for that? Good god

BuckeyeRedleg
04-18-2012, 10:18 PM
Just tuned in. So let me get this straight, did we trade Volquez for Volquez and just for giggles throw in some top prospects? Sweet.

Playadlc
04-18-2012, 10:19 PM
One of the most hittable pitches of the night and Bruce hits a routine GB to second.

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Just tuned in. So let me get this straight, did we trade Volquez for Volquez and just for giggles throw in some top prospects? Sweet.
He's always a slow starter. April is easily his worse month. He'll be fine.

paintmered
04-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Can Hologram Tupac bat cleanup?

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Walt's favorite saying:

"We're happy with what we have."

membengal
04-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Can Hologram Tupac bat cleanup?

Now that I would tune back in for. As it is, Modern Family.

reds1869
04-18-2012, 10:21 PM
He's always a slow starter. April is easily his worse month. He'll be fine.

Was just getting ready to say the same thing. For whatever reason Latos is always abysmal in April and cranks it up the rest of the year.

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:22 PM
Walt's favorite saying:

"We're happy with what we have."

Although, to his credit, he didn't live by those words this offseason (Latos, Marshall, Madson, etc.) Now, whether or not it makes a difference is another story...

757690
04-18-2012, 10:22 PM
Was just getting ready to say the same thing. For whatever reason Latos is always abysmal in April and cranks it up the rest of the year.

1-7 5.57 ERA in April for his career.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 10:23 PM
He's always a slow starter. April is easily his worse month. He'll be fine.
I think he's also getting into his own head with this slow start on a new team with high hopes. I think if he can face a Pittsburgh or Houston and do well he'd be off the races.

Too bad he can't face his own teams lineup, he'd throw a perfect game. :redface:

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:23 PM
Was just getting ready to say the same thing. For whatever reason Latos is always abysmal in April and cranks it up the rest of the year.
He has no feel for anything offspeed right now. He's really struggling to throw his off speed stuff for strikes.

He'll figure it out.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:25 PM
Just read some of them. Really pathetic.

That's nothing that wouldn't happen in NY, Philly, Boston, Detroit, Chicago, DC, Cleveland, Baltimore, even Pittsburgh. This isn't the laid-back chill southern California anymore. It is what it is.

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:25 PM
That's nothing that wouldn't happen in NY, Philly, Boston, Detroit, Chicago, DC, Cleveland, Baltimore, even Pittsburgh. This isn't the laid-back chill southern California anymore. It is what it is.
It happens everywhere sadly.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-18-2012, 10:25 PM
"and that's the way things have been going for the Cardinals."

As if it will change. It's been 8 to 9 months of things going their way. Oh well.

The rich get richer and another Cincinnati team disappoints when there are decent expectations (see also Bengals whenever they are expected to be good).

757690
04-18-2012, 10:26 PM
He has no feel for anything offspeed right now. He's really struggling to throw his off speed stuff for strikes.

He'll figure it out.

Maybe if he added a second "t" to the end of his first name, he'd have better feel for his pitchers. Missing that "t" could be throwing off his balance.

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:26 PM
Cardinals have a .337 team BABIP this year coming into tonight.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 10:27 PM
That's nothing that wouldn't happen in NY, Philly, Boston, Detroit, Chicago, DC, Cleveland, Baltimore, even Pittsburgh. This isn't the laid-back chill southern California anymore. It is what it is.
Doesn't make it right. I mean, I get that people say stuff at games. But sitting there on your computer or phone, what makes a person write a nasty comment to a player's wife and then think "yeah, this makes perfect sense to say this" and hit send?

Kc61
04-18-2012, 10:28 PM
Cardinals have a .337 team BABIP this year coming into tonight.

Are you suggesting the Cards offensive success is luck?

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:28 PM
"and that's the way things have been going for the Cardinals."

As if it will change. It's been 8 to 9 months of things going their way. Oh well.

The rich get richer and another Cincinnati team disappoints when there are decent expectations (see also Bengals whenever they are expected to be good).

Great ... They're expected to be good this year. :(

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:28 PM
Doesn't make it right. I mean, I get that people say stuff at games. But sitting there on your computer or phone, what makes a person write a nasty comment to a player's wife and then think "yeah, this makes perfect sense to say this" and hit send?

Alcohol + anonymity?

Playadlc
04-18-2012, 10:30 PM
What a play by Mes.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:31 PM
Are you suggesting the Cards offensive success is luck?

There's no doubt that a lot of it is. When they finally crash and burn, it'll be fun to watch.

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:31 PM
That was a hell of a play by Mes.

edabbs44
04-18-2012, 10:31 PM
Doesn't make it right. I mean, I get that people say stuff at games. But sitting there on your computer or phone, what makes a person write a nasty comment to a player's wife and then think "yeah, this makes perfect sense to say this" and hit send?

I don't follow her story but isn't she kind of an outspoken one?

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:34 PM
I don't follow her story but isn't she kind of an outspoken one?

Yes. And quite smart, sassy and attractive. Those elements combined probably explain why her twitter feed is a a popular destination.

Kc61
04-18-2012, 10:34 PM
There's no doubt that a lot of it is. When they finally crash and burn, it'll be fun to watch.

Dream on.

Like they crashed and burned last year when they were the best offense in the National League and won the World Series?

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:34 PM
This is like infield practice for the Cards tonight.

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:35 PM
Starting to have the feel of a complete game shutout right now...

BuckeyeRedleg
04-18-2012, 10:35 PM
There's no doubt that a lot of it is. When they finally crash and burn, it'll be fun to watch.

Sure they will.

edabbs44
04-18-2012, 10:36 PM
Yes. And quite smart, sassy and attractive. Those elements combined probably explain why her twitter feed is a a popular destination.

As well as an easy target on Twitter.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:36 PM
I've seen enough of the remains of Scott Rolen. He couldn't hit his way out of a wet paper bag. The sooner the Reds decide to address that elephant in the room, the faster they can get on with trying to win baseball games at a pace needed to win divisions.

dabvu2498
04-18-2012, 10:37 PM
Hey! Look! An extra base hit!!!

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:37 PM
As well as an easy target on Twitter.

Isn't that what I just wrote? But, again, doesn't make it right.

LincolnparkRed
04-18-2012, 10:38 PM
I'm having real trouble enjoying this season.

fixed it for you

Kc61
04-18-2012, 10:38 PM
Mes is starting to look like a ballplayer. Nice infield hit to knock in a run, following a fine play defensively.

Important that Mes should do well with the Reds picking him over Grandal.

CrackerJack
04-18-2012, 10:38 PM
Doesn't make it right. I mean, I get that people say stuff at games. But sitting there on your computer or phone, what makes a person write a nasty comment to a player's wife and then think "yeah, this makes perfect sense to say this" and hit send?

Twitter is ridiculous and requires a lower IQ to tolerate, like most article/blog comment sections on the internets.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 10:38 PM
Starting to have the feel of a complete game shutout right now...
:thumbup:

Playadlc
04-18-2012, 10:39 PM
This game is still in the 5th. Feels like the 8th.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-18-2012, 10:39 PM
I've seen enough of the remains of Scott Rolen. He couldn't hit his way out of a wet paper bag. The sooner the Reds decide to address that elephant in the room, the faster they can get on with trying to win baseball games at a pace needed to win divisions.

5 for 39 now with a sub .350 OPS.

Ginormous elephant.

mattfeet
04-18-2012, 10:39 PM
Wow. Latos just can't do anything well tonight. :(

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:39 PM
Juan Francisco went yard today.

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:40 PM
(cues another negative comment): This team sucks!

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:40 PM
Frazier tomorrow. Hope he does well.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-18-2012, 10:41 PM
Wow. Latos just can't do anything well tonight. :(

Not just tonight. Pretty much a disaster thru 3 games.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:41 PM
Who would have thunk that Arroyo would start out as our second best pitcher this year? Most wanted him exiled before the season started.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 10:42 PM
Not just tonight. Pretty much a disaster thru 3 games.
Disaster seems rather hyperbolic, especially since his line against the Nats was acceptable.

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:43 PM
Eventually the Reds are going to break out of it and score like 14 runs.


And then lose 3-2 the day after.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:43 PM
Dream on.

Like they crashed and burned last year when they were the best offense in the National League and won the World Series?

Like when they needed every planet to align just to make the playoffs? Like when they couldn't win a division that includes the Astros, cubs and pirates in 2011? Or 2010?

They got the mother of all lucky breaks last year courtesy of the braves. Kudos to them for taking advantage of it. But they're still lucky.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:44 PM
Latos is looking filthy this inning

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:46 PM
So who takes over for Dusty eventually this year? Bell? LaRussa?

dabvu2498
04-18-2012, 10:46 PM
Eventually the Reds are going to break out of it and score like 14 runs.


And then lose 3-2 the day after.

2 runs? You're an optimist, aren't you? ;)

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:47 PM
So who takes over for Dusty eventually this year? Bell? LaRussa?

I'd put my money on Bell.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:47 PM
Latos could go 2 more easily. He is pumping 96-97 on his fastball right now. Save the pen Dusty. If we don't score, using the bullpen makes no sense. If he starts getting mashed, but his pitch count is relative to the inning, leave him in.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:47 PM
So who takes over for Dusty eventually this year? Bell? LaRussa?

No one. He stays and perhaps retires at season's end.

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:48 PM
I'd put my money on Bell.
I would agree. I think Walt will try to get TLR, but I don't see him biting.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 10:48 PM
So who takes over for Dusty eventually this year? Bell? LaRussa?
Riggleman's probably an option as well.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:48 PM
Thom loves Stubbs....;)

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:49 PM
Please try and steal to stay out of the double-play.

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:49 PM
Riggleman's probably an option as well.
Didn't even think of that, that's a good one.

I'll still go with Bell.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-18-2012, 10:50 PM
Should never have gotten rid of Mackanin. But, hey, throwing around $3.5 MM a year for a name was the cool thing to do.

Kc61
04-18-2012, 10:50 PM
Like when they needed every planet to align just to make the playoffs? Like when they couldn't win a division that includes the Astros, cubs and pirates in 2011? Or 2010?

They got the mother of all lucky breaks last year courtesy of the braves. Kudos to them for taking advantage of it. But they're still lucky.

I guess you are relying on the planets aligning stat.

Every other offensive stat shows that the Cards were the dominant offensive team in the NL for 162 games last year.

The Cards are still a good offensive team this year, good balance, steady hitters, don't strike out.

The Reds, on the other hand, are Joey Votto, a couple of old timers, and the right handed swing away and miss club.

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:50 PM
Should never have gotten rid of Mackanin. But, hey, throwing around $3.5 MM a year for a name was the cool thing to do.
He's still out there.

Playadlc
04-18-2012, 10:51 PM
Votto is the only hitter we have right now that will go the other way. And Cozart.

Kc61
04-18-2012, 10:52 PM
Should never have gotten rid of Mackanin. But, hey, throwing around $3.5 MM a year for a name was the cool thing to do.

Walt Jocketty is getting a free ride with all the disdain for Dusty.

Walt put together this powerhouse offense.

He Walt, how about going out and signing some more right handed swing and miss hitters. We only have about 7 of them.

jojo
04-18-2012, 10:53 PM
The Reds just need to make it to the end of the month trailing by less than 10 games and this is still a season....

wheels
04-18-2012, 10:53 PM
DatDude... DP?

durl
04-18-2012, 10:53 PM
2 on and nobody out. I'm seeing an infield fly followed by a double-play.

Sorry to be a pessimist. :-)

wheels
04-18-2012, 10:54 PM
Of course.

reds44
04-18-2012, 10:54 PM
Dat dude DP.

durl
04-18-2012, 10:54 PM
OK, maybe I got the order mixed up. ;-)

WVRedsFan
04-18-2012, 10:54 PM
Should never have gotten rid of Mackanin. But, hey, throwing around $3.5 MM a year for a name was the cool thing to do.
There is a reason why Pete hasn't been hired as a manager by some club. Any club. That's why he wasn't hired here. Was Dusty a mistake? My jury is still somewhat out. He makes mistakes, but we rail on TLR here and look what he did. This team isn't winning because of players playing poorly.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:55 PM
Put Mez in the 4 hole, for the love of GOD!!!!!!

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:56 PM
2 on and nobody out. I'm seeing an infield fly followed by a double-play.

Sorry to be a pessimist. :-)

Got the order wrong, but nice call!

Kc61
04-18-2012, 10:56 PM
I'm not saying this is the worst Reds offense I have ever seen.

But it is playing as badly as any Reds offense I have ever seen.

As Jay Bruce does his usual GABP home run upper cut swing that goes into short right field for the final out of the once promising inning.

Jay, I have two words for you. Line is the first word. Drive is the second.

HokieRed
04-18-2012, 10:56 PM
Walt Jocketty is getting a free ride with all the disdain for Dusty.

Walt put together this powerhouse offense.

He Walt, how about going out and signing some more right handed swing and miss hitters. We only have about 7 of them.

Be careful. I said this earlier. It may not be allowable to say on RZ.

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:56 PM
God, this offense couldn't be going much worse, could it?

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-18-2012, 10:56 PM
Nice production out of our 4 and 5 hitters. Seriously, is this rock bottom?

BuckeyeRedleg
04-18-2012, 10:57 PM
Walt Jocketty is getting a free ride with all the disdain for Dusty.

Walt put together this powerhouse offense.

He Walt, how about going out and signing some more right handed swing and miss hitters. We only have about 7 of them.

I never have been a fan of Dusty and have always thought he was a waste of money, especially for a small market team.

Walt came into this season with a black hole at 3B, LF, and CF. Jury is still out on Ludwick, but CF and 3B appears to be a serious issue. That's on Walt.

And Valdez and Harris on the bench don't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. Yeah, I know, they are just utility bench players.....until someone gets hurt and they are forced to play.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:57 PM
If you look at the box score, this game should be closer. The difference between Championship style confidence and a super slump. Good thing there is no way our offense stays at this team average of about .200 (if that). That would make this the worse turn around with pretty much the same lineup in MLB history. I want the trend to go the other way, not best to worst.

RedEye
04-18-2012, 10:57 PM
Nice production out of our 4 and 5 hitters. Seriously, is this rock bottom?

Sure feels like it. I hope it is, because I'd hate to see worse.

durl
04-18-2012, 10:57 PM
Got the order wrong, but nice call!

I feel somewhat guilty about accepting the compliment, but if the Reds can't hit, we have to make up our own fun, I suppose.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:58 PM
Hanging sliders like crazy tonight. Throw fast balls.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 10:59 PM
Was 2010 really that long ago?

Kc61
04-18-2012, 10:59 PM
You would think after several years Jay Bruce would stop with the upper cut swings that wind up being pops to short right field.

I haven't checked his line drive rate, but it isn't likely to be very high.

I honestly think GABP has destroyed Bruce's career. He seems to be constantly aiming for the short right field fence. Even when he isn't playing in Cincy.

Playadlc
04-18-2012, 10:59 PM
I have no idea if Jacoby should be blamed or not, but how long does this guy last?

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 10:59 PM
You would think after several years Jay Bruce would stop with the upper cut swings that wind up being pops to short right field.

I haven't checked his line drive rate, but it isn't likely to be very high.

I honestly think GABP has destroyed Bruce's career. He seems to be constantly aiming for the short right field fence. Even when he isn't playing in Cincy.

I wonder if he could learn to be a switch hitter still?

reds44
04-18-2012, 11:00 PM
At this point why not just hit Cozart cleanup?

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:00 PM
At this point why not just hit Cozart cleanup?

Anyone but the two current slowest players on the team.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 11:01 PM
At this point why not just hit Cozart cleanup?
Shortstop hitting clean-up? You're dealing on an entirely different plane than Dusty can even begin to imagine.

reds44
04-18-2012, 11:01 PM
Anyone but the two current slowest players on the team.
Heisey
Mes
Votto
Cozart
Bruce
Phillips
Rolen
Stubbs

HokieRed
04-18-2012, 11:01 PM
I have no idea if Jacoby should be blamed or not, but how long does this guy last?

If it doesn't improve, why should he last beyond 20 more games. Not to blame him, but you just have to do something to change the chemistry.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:01 PM
Heisey
Mes
Votto
Cozart
Bruce
Phillips
Rolen
Stubbs

I like it.

Kc61
04-18-2012, 11:02 PM
I like it.

I would like it too, except I'd prefer different players at about 5 positions.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:03 PM
I would like it too, except I'd prefer different players at about 5 positions.

At this point, we can only change so much. They will pan out to their career avg. except maybe Rolen.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-18-2012, 11:03 PM
There is a reason why Pete hasn't been hired as a manager by some club. Any club. That's why he wasn't hired here. Was Dusty a mistake? My jury is still somewhat out. He makes mistakes, but we rail on TLR here and look what he did. This team isn't winning because of players playing poorly.

I'm told here that managers don't win or lose games.

We had a decent manager that seemed to have a pattern of making logical decisions based on common sense. He was also paid peanuts. Win. win.

Having an inferiority complex we then went out and threw a bunch of money at a big name guy that coaches by his gut and makes questionable decisions on a daily basis. Heck, the lineup card has been an issue from day one.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:04 PM
So what happen between innings that made Latos look like garbage? Geez

Kc61
04-18-2012, 11:05 PM
I say bring back Paul Janish and the Reds will start to win.

He seems like a good guy, a hard worker, a good fielder.

He can't hit.

But the baseball gods may be angry at the Reds for sending down such a solid guy.

Bring back Paul, turn around the season.

That simple.

reds44
04-18-2012, 11:05 PM
Janish has been killing the ball in AAA. Maybe he pulled a Space Jam and stole the Reds players talent.

jojo
04-18-2012, 11:06 PM
So what happen between innings that made Latos look like garbage? Geez

It's got to be the tattoos.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 11:06 PM
I say bring back Paul Janish and the Reds will start to win.

He seems like a good guy, a hard worker, a good fielder.

He can't hit.

But the baseball gods may be angry at the Reds for sending down such a solid guy.

Bring back Paul, turn around the season.

That simple.
Fact is we haven't been any good since we dumped Laynce Nix. We're really missing that extra Y.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:06 PM
It's got to be the tattoos.

Maybe before the 5th Dallas payed him a visit.;)

HokieRed
04-18-2012, 11:06 PM
I would like it too, except I'd prefer different players at about 5 positions.

Me, too. Start over with Votto, Phillips, Cozart, Bruce, and the catchers. Keep Heisey as a fifth outfielder. That probably will be the starting group for the 2013 roster.

Kc61
04-18-2012, 11:06 PM
Think we could get Boxberger straight up for Latos?

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:07 PM
Think we could get Boxberger straight up for Latos?

Hamilton for Latos...

reds44
04-18-2012, 11:07 PM
Hamilton for Latos...

Joey?

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:08 PM
Joey?

Joshy

OldXOhio
04-18-2012, 11:08 PM
Jay Bruce is still very young. He just needs more time.

Kc61
04-18-2012, 11:09 PM
Jay Bruce is still very young. He just needs more time.

How much more?

HokieRed
04-18-2012, 11:09 PM
Jay Bruce is still very young. He just needs more time.

We're all going to need more time.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:10 PM
Has Hanigan caught Latos yet?

OldXOhio
04-18-2012, 11:10 PM
How much more?

6 years. Maybe 7.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:10 PM
6 years. Maybe 7.

Who is he David Freese?:laugh:

Kc61
04-18-2012, 11:11 PM
Jay Bruce is still very young. He just needs more time.


6 years. Maybe 7.

I go with 7. Can't see it happening in 6.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 11:12 PM
Garcia with an at-bat better than most Reds could even imagine.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:12 PM
Garcia with an at-bat better than most Reds could even imagine.

Except Cueto;)

OldXOhio
04-18-2012, 11:12 PM
I go with 7. Can't see it happening in 6.

Yeah Rolen will still be hitting clean up in '18

reds44
04-18-2012, 11:13 PM
That just happened.

Playadlc
04-18-2012, 11:13 PM
Stubbs is absolutely worthless right now.

Tom Servo
04-18-2012, 11:13 PM
Welp.

CTA513
04-18-2012, 11:13 PM
Yeah Rolen will still be hitting clean up in '18

You think MLB will let him use a walker?

HokieRed
04-18-2012, 11:13 PM
Yeah Rolen will still be hitting clean up in '18

No by then Walt will have brought in some more guys who were once good at St. Louis. That seems to be his modus operandi.

dougdirt
04-18-2012, 11:14 PM
Stubbs is absolutely worthless right now.

Really?

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:14 PM
Stubbs should have had that for sure.

reds44
04-18-2012, 11:14 PM
Really?
He's not?

Playadlc
04-18-2012, 11:14 PM
Really?

Yes. I mean on the baseball field, obviously.

dougdirt
04-18-2012, 11:14 PM
He's not?

Maybe, but not because he didn't track down a 402 foot ball to dead center field.

cbowen2112
04-18-2012, 11:14 PM
Tough play, but he broke very late and was playing about as shallow as possible.

dougdirt
04-18-2012, 11:15 PM
Tough play, but he broke very late and was playing about as shallow as possible.

Of course he was playing shallow as possible. The opposing pitcher was hitting.

Kc61
04-18-2012, 11:15 PM
If Stubbs can't catch that ball, and Stubbs can't make contact with the baseball, then what exactly does Stubbs do?

Playadlc
04-18-2012, 11:15 PM
Maybe, but not because he didn't track down a 402 foot ball to dead center field.

Ball should have absolutely been caught. Stubbs is scared to death of the fence.

HokieRed
04-18-2012, 11:15 PM
If Stubbs can't catch that ball, and Stubbs can't make contact with the baseball, then what exactly does Stubbs do?

He runs well.

dougdirt
04-18-2012, 11:16 PM
If Stubbs can't catch that ball, and Stubbs can't make contact with the baseball, then what exactly does Stubbs do?

How many guys do catch that ball given where Stubbs started the play?

reds44
04-18-2012, 11:16 PM
Maybe, but not because he didn't track down a 402 foot ball to dead center field.
He's also hitting .186.

Cedric
04-18-2012, 11:16 PM
A good CF makes that play easily. Stubbs is one of the worst CF's I have ever seen around the wall. That's because the guy lacks baseball instincts.

He plays like an athlete that has no idea what to do on the field.

dougdirt
04-18-2012, 11:16 PM
He's also hitting .186.

Yes. But that isn't why the comment was made. The comment was made because Stubbs didn't catch a 402 foot crush job by the opposing pitcher.

reds44
04-18-2012, 11:17 PM
Yes. But that isn't why the comment was made. The comment was made because Stubbs didn't catch a 402 foot crush job by the opposing pitcher.
Still was an accurate comment.

dougdirt
04-18-2012, 11:17 PM
Still was an accurate comment.

I don't know, because he is still pretty good in center.

Kc61
04-18-2012, 11:18 PM
Yes. But that isn't why the comment was made. The comment was made because Stubbs didn't catch a 402 foot crush job by the opposing pitcher.

He looked like he was getting to it, but as sometimes happens with Stubbs, he gets messed up when he nears the outfield wall.

It was a nice job getting back to the ball, but then he either turns the wrong way or misses it or whatever.

Now 8-1.

The Reds are terrible and I can't watch this garbage any more.

reds44
04-18-2012, 11:18 PM
I don't know, because he is still pretty good in center.
He could be the best CFer ever and he'd still be worthless right now.

edabbs44
04-18-2012, 11:18 PM
I have to say, and not only because of that play, but Stubbs' glove is/was extremely overhyped. As are a lot of other Reds defenders.

dougdirt
04-18-2012, 11:19 PM
I have to say, and not only because of that play, but Stubbs' glove is/was extremely overhyped. As are a lot of other Reds defenders.

Kevin Goldstein argued the other day that Stubbs is the best defensive center fielder in the game. Clearly scouts still think he can go get it with the best of them.