4/18/12 - Ok, seriously...let's win a game.

[mattfeet]

Cozart 6, Stubbs 8, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Bruce 9, Rolen 5, Heisey 7, Mesoraco 2, Latos RHP

I like the lineup shakeup. Stubbs might get some pitches to hit being in front of Votto. That said, he still has to make contact, so....

Latos vying for his first W as a Red. His outings have gotten marginally better since his debut, but still has some work to do. It'd be money to have him shut the Cards down and stop this losing train.

-Matt

[Boss-Hog]

I like this lineup as much as any against a lefty, too.

[Redsfan320]

For now, I dont' mind it. Somebody had to move up to 1 or 2 with BP going down to 4, and basically everyone's been crappy so why not? That said, what I want to see happen eventually is BP back to 1, Cozy 2, Votto 3, Bruce 4, 3B/LF 5/6, Stubbs 7, C 8, P 9.

Let's get a win behind Latos!

320

[kbrake]

Really like that lineup props to Dusty for trying to mix it up.

[Reds1]

I like it a lot. Love seeing Heisey and Mesoraco. Glad Dusty noticed and made the change. Just takes him a few extra days. :)

[Degenerate39]

I actually like this lineup

[oneupper]

The hitters have to be patient against Garcia. He is very capable of throwing strikes, but won't do so unless he absolutely has to.

[VottoFan54]

Cards lineup:

Rafael Furcal (S) SS
Carlos Beltran (S) RF
Matt Holliday (R) LF
Lance Berkman (S) 1B
David Freese (R) 3B
Yadier Molina (R) C
Jon Jay (L) CF
Tyler Greene (R) 2B
Jaime Garcia (L) P

[mattfeet]

Good leadoff AB by Cozart to draw a 4 pitch walk.

-Matt

[757690]

Little nervous. Hard to believe Garcia will have back to back bad starts.

[VottoFan54]

Stubbs K :(

[mattfeet]

Votto GIDP

[mattfeet]

Furcal double to start the game for the Cards.

[mattfeet]

Latos walks Beltran. Of course, with how Beltran has hit the Reds thus far, I can't say I mind too much.

-Matt

[mattfeet]

Holliday flies out to Bruce. Furcal advances to 3rd.

-Matt

[mattfeet]

Wheres everyone at tonight? No one else watching?

[mattfeet]

Berkman squirts a dribbler between Latos and Votto. Phillips fields it but Latos got there too slow. Berkman safe, Furcal scores.

-Matt

[WebScorpion]

not much to say....looks like a resumption of last nights game. Can they play this way all year?

[kbrake]

Just got here. Seems a lot like the first 11 games so far.

[Plus Plus]

Them, or us?

[Plus Plus]

And now a double steal for the Cardinals. I want to hurl things at my TV.

[mattfeet]

This is so frustrating.

[mattfeet]

2 run double by Freese. Wow.

[Plus Plus]

Freese lines a double down the left field line to plate two.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

This team is terrible. Berkman steals a base now? He can barely walk!

This game is over in the 1st. Reds won't score 4 runs this entire series.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Wheres everyone at tonight? No one else watching?

Can you blame them? This team is driving fans away.

[RedEye]

Last year this team just never seemed to string enough victories in a row to make much happen. This year they seem like they just can't win period.

[dougdirt]

You really have to ask yourself where we can sign the same deal with the devil that the Cardinals have.

[Homer Bailey]

I've been preaching patience as much as anyone on here.... and I'm starting to lose it.

[paintmered]

This really is starting to look like the worst case scenario.

[Plus Plus]

I've been preaching patience as much as anyone on here.... and I'm starting to lose it.

Same here, HB. I spent the other day talking my dad off of the ledge, and now I feel like I was lying to him as I watch this team play over the last handful of games.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

These starters have severe 1st inning issues. Going back to last year, how many 2-run and 3-run deficits do they find themselves in? It's just ridiculous.

[RedEye]

I've been preaching patience as much as anyone on here.... and I'm starting to lose it.

+1. It has been awhile since I've had absolutely no faith that the Reds can come back from a 3-0 deficit. But that's where I am right now. This offense is just anemic.

[edabbs44]

This seems like a good night for the explosion this team needs.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Ok, now that that's done, it's time for the standard "3 up/3 down" reds half of the inning. If Garcia throws more than 12 pitches this inning I'll be stunned.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Juan Francisco just hit a 2 run bomb, 2nd dinger of the year.

[brad1176]

These guys are going to have to get mad, play with a little fire. They look lifeless out there.

[membengal]

Zack Cozart just demanded a trade.

[klw]

Juan Francisco just hit a 2 run bomb, 2nd dinger of the year.

well it was like 6 hours ago

[RedEye]

Juan Francisco just hit a 2 run bomb, 2nd dinger of the year.

Can JJ Hoover play 3B?

[klw]

http://vimeo.com/27563228
Losing is a disease

[Plus Plus]

Bruce shows that he still wants to pull everything, fouling off a pitch that was off of the plate away to the first base side.

[_Sir_Charles_]

well it was like 6 hours ago

Okay, I JUST saw the highlight of Juan Francisco hitting a 2 run bomb. Better? :O)

[Plus Plus]

And then he follows up my doubting statement with a base hit to right.

[mattfeet]

Bruce got a hit! Breaks a 0-19 stretch!

[klw]

Okay, I JUST saw the highlight of Juan Francisco hitting a 2 run bomb. Better? :O)
much better:p

[757690]

Seems the Reds have a pair of twins in their rotation.

Arroyo/Leake

Latos/Bailey

[edabbs44]

Juan Francisco just hit a 2 run bomb, 2nd dinger of the year.

Pulling him even with the one and only Jonny Johnson Gomes.

[RedEye]

And then he follows up my doubting statement with a base hit to right.

Keep them coming! Doubting statements = hits! That's what we've been missing!

[Homer Bailey]

Keep them coming! Doubting statements = hits! That's what we've been missing!

Haha, that is certainly one thing we've not been missing.

[paintmered]

Group therapy in chat today. Drown your sorrows with endless supplies of snark and self-provided beverages.

[Plus Plus]

Rolen can't catch up to the 85mph fastball of Garcia and strikes out swinging.

[Cedric]

Can we sign Dontrelle and slot him in the cleanup spot?

[Playadlc]

Time to make TFra the everyday third basemen.

[Plus Plus]

Heisey flies out to shallow right.

[reds44]

We stinks.

[Plus Plus]

R/F Fan was spot on with 12 pitches for Garcia in the inning.

[WebScorpion]

I see a Todd Frazier start in the near future... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char067.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[CrackerJack]

This seems like a good night for the explosion this team needs.

Just got that a few days ago in the 8-run game, give them a few more days, or maybe at least 2 more games, similar to most of last year from what I remember, except they at least managed to eek out at least 3 runs a game more often it seemed, then.


Last 10:

1 run
8 runs (win)
1 run
1 run
2 runs
4 runs (win)
1 run
1 run
6 runs (win)
3 runs

Patterns...

[klw]

I see a Todd Frazier start in the near future... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char067.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Day game tomorrow is destined to be an off day for Rolen

[membengal]

Good thing the Reds are not re-negotiating their TV contract this year...

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Mat latos is not very good! Ace? Nope.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Epic fail

[membengal]

How bad are the Reds right now? Thom is discussing the Bengals released last night schedule.

[WebScorpion]

Mat latos is not very good! Ace? Nope.
He does appear to have warts...starting with walking people and then holding runners. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[HokieRed]

Must be Dusty's fault.

[klw]

Must be Dusty's fault.

Bob Boone's

[mattfeet]

Wow. Beltran is crushing the Reds. Down 5-0 in the 2nd.

-Matt

[membengal]

Must be Dusty's fault.

Are they allowed to fire the players now?

[Tom Servo]

Can we please start playing the Pirates or something?

[Virginia Beach Reds]

There are so many glaring problems with this squad it almost seems white flag time.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

48 pitches to get six outs for Latos. And a 5-run deficit.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Beltran...3 for 3 lifetime versus Latos. 3 bombs. *shudders*

[membengal]

Not Walt's fault.

Not Dusty's fault.

Not the players' fault.

Not BobC's fault.

I guess its hot dog vendor #3's fault. That guy needs to go.

[HokieRed]

Not Walt's fault.

Not Dusty's fault.

Not the players' fault.

Not BobC's fault.

I guess its hot dog vendor #3's fault. That guy needs to go.

Might want to start at the top of this list.

[cbowen2112]

So, Beltran luckily will be injured later in the year, because he is playing everyday....at least we hope this. Lagos doesn't look bad, the Cardnials are just starting the year off on fire. Reminds me of 2010, we sucked, they killed us and we ended up on top. Time shall tell.

[membengal]

Might want to start at the top of this list.

Thought Walt was untouchable on this board.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

This season could be over before the freaking Kentucky Derby!

[cbowen2112]

Beltran...3 for 3 lifetime versus Latos. 3 bombs. *shudders*

Well, you had to walk him. He chose to be cocky. Reds lose. Unless....nope not looking good.

[cbowen2112]

This season could be over before the freaking Kentucky Derby!

Lol...we are not winless.

[jojo]

I'm having real trouble enjoying this game.

[HokieRed]

Thought Walt was untouchable on this board.

I think maybe it's time we reopen that question. I'd just like to see people get off Dusty's case. Starting to look like the construction of this team, not its execution, is the problem.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Brooke jacoby prepare to be sacrificed.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Garcia is bored. Only explanation for that.

[membengal]

I think maybe it's time we reopen that question. I'd just like to see people get off Dusty's case. Starting to look like the construction of this team, not its execution, is the problem.

Fine by me. But that's a dark road that ends in a Walt vs. Wayne free for all and someone gets stabbed in the heart with a trident.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Drew Stubbs in the two hole. He has no clue what he is trying to accomplish. A predict four pitch k.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Fine by me. But that's a dark road that ends in a Walt vs. Wayne free for all and someone gets stabbed in the heart with a trident.

LOL. Post of the night. :lol:

[paintmered]

Plenty of Reds fans going off on Dallas Latos on Twitter. Classy.

[paintmered]

Fine by me. But that's a dark road that ends in a Walt vs. Wayne free for all and someone gets stabbed in the heart with a trident.

Boy, that escalated quickly.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Drew Stubbs has no business on a ML roster.

[thatcoolguy_22]

At least the odds of another extra innings game are low. #savethebullpen

:rant:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Boy, that escalated quickly.

Didn't it though? Brick killed a guy. :beerme:

[membengal]

Boy, that escalated quickly.

Indeed. Inevitablely, someone needs to find a safe house. I think that's what happened to FCB...

[_Sir_Charles_]

*grin*

btw...did you guys hear they're making a sequel? :O)

[mattfeet]

Plenty of Reds fans going off on Dallas Latos on Twitter. Classy.

Yea, that pisses me off. No reason for it.

[Tom Servo]

Holliday, Berkman, Beltran, and Freese are just too much for Reds pitchers, and that's not even factoring in the rest of the lineup.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Mat Latos is not the problem with this team.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

The fact that the Reds are down 5-0 in just the 3rd inning but have absolutely no chance to win is the fault of this pitiful offense. Not the starter.

[Tom Servo]

Plenty of Reds fans going off on Dallas Latos on Twitter. Classy.
Just read some of them. Really pathetic.

[RedEye]

Holliday, Berkman, Beltran, and Freese are just too much for Reds pitchers, and that's not even factoring in the rest of the lineup.

And the Reds have... Joey Votto. And Brandon Phillips. And Jay Bruce when he's going okay.

[membengal]

Plenty of Reds fans going off on Dallas Latos on Twitter.

You stay classy, Cincinnati.

[RedEye]

You stay classy, Cincinnati.

Cincinasty

[reds44]

I think maybe it's time we reopen that question. I'd just like to see people get off Dusty's case. Starting to look like the construction of this team, not its execution, is the problem.
Every single position player sans Cozart is under achieving. Every single one.

[wheels]

The real question is.... Who isn't part of the problem? Cozart?

This entire team, save for maybe three players is absolutely stinking on ice in the worst way possible.

I've never seen anything like it.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Sad. I just read that Dick Clark passed away. 82 years old.

Sorry, back to the beating.

[Tom Servo]

http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/.P4atExBHffW3cyDcmMcwQ--/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2NoPTIxNTtjcj0xO2N3PTE2NDtkeD0xO2 R5PTE7Zmk9dWxjcm9wO2g9ODU7cT0xMDA7dz02NQ--/http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/players_l/20110503x/8300.jpg
Garcia's smirk is mocking me

[edabbs44]

Every single position player sans Cozart is under achieving. Every single one.

Yep, that's why it is too early to stick a fork in them.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Hahaha. Bad hit follow next grounder double play. Where is Dante bichette?

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

$70,000,000 for that? Good god

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Just tuned in. So let me get this straight, did we trade Volquez for Volquez and just for giggles throw in some top prospects? Sweet.

[Playadlc]

One of the most hittable pitches of the night and Bruce hits a routine GB to second.

[reds44]

Just tuned in. So let me get this straight, did we trade Volquez for Volquez and just for giggles throw in some top prospects? Sweet.
He's always a slow starter. April is easily his worse month. He'll be fine.

[paintmered]

Can Hologram Tupac bat cleanup?

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Walt's favorite saying:

"We're happy with what we have."

[membengal]

Can Hologram Tupac bat cleanup?

Now that I would tune back in for. As it is, Modern Family.

[reds1869]

He's always a slow starter. April is easily his worse month. He'll be fine.

Was just getting ready to say the same thing. For whatever reason Latos is always abysmal in April and cranks it up the rest of the year.

[RedEye]

Walt's favorite saying:

"We're happy with what we have."

Although, to his credit, he didn't live by those words this offseason (Latos, Marshall, Madson, etc.) Now, whether or not it makes a difference is another story...

[757690]

Was just getting ready to say the same thing. For whatever reason Latos is always abysmal in April and cranks it up the rest of the year.

1-7 5.57 ERA in April for his career.

[Tom Servo]

He's always a slow starter. April is easily his worse month. He'll be fine.
I think he's also getting into his own head with this slow start on a new team with high hopes. I think if he can face a Pittsburgh or Houston and do well he'd be off the races.

Too bad he can't face his own teams lineup, he'd throw a perfect game. :redface:

[reds44]

Was just getting ready to say the same thing. For whatever reason Latos is always abysmal in April and cranks it up the rest of the year.
He has no feel for anything offspeed right now. He's really struggling to throw his off speed stuff for strikes.

He'll figure it out.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Just read some of them. Really pathetic.

That's nothing that wouldn't happen in NY, Philly, Boston, Detroit, Chicago, DC, Cleveland, Baltimore, even Pittsburgh. This isn't the laid-back chill southern California anymore. It is what it is.

[reds44]

That's nothing that wouldn't happen in NY, Philly, Boston, Detroit, Chicago, DC, Cleveland, Baltimore, even Pittsburgh. This isn't the laid-back chill southern California anymore. It is what it is.
It happens everywhere sadly.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

"and that's the way things have been going for the Cardinals."

As if it will change. It's been 8 to 9 months of things going their way. Oh well.

The rich get richer and another Cincinnati team disappoints when there are decent expectations (see also Bengals whenever they are expected to be good).

[757690]

He has no feel for anything offspeed right now. He's really struggling to throw his off speed stuff for strikes.

He'll figure it out.

Maybe if he added a second "t" to the end of his first name, he'd have better feel for his pitchers. Missing that "t" could be throwing off his balance.

[reds44]

Cardinals have a .337 team BABIP this year coming into tonight.

[Tom Servo]

That's nothing that wouldn't happen in NY, Philly, Boston, Detroit, Chicago, DC, Cleveland, Baltimore, even Pittsburgh. This isn't the laid-back chill southern California anymore. It is what it is.
Doesn't make it right. I mean, I get that people say stuff at games. But sitting there on your computer or phone, what makes a person write a nasty comment to a player's wife and then think "yeah, this makes perfect sense to say this" and hit send?

[Kc61]

Cardinals have a .337 team BABIP this year coming into tonight.

Are you suggesting the Cards offensive success is luck?

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

"and that's the way things have been going for the Cardinals."

As if it will change. It's been 8 to 9 months of things going their way. Oh well.

The rich get richer and another Cincinnati team disappoints when there are decent expectations (see also Bengals whenever they are expected to be good).

Great ... They're expected to be good this year. :(

[RedEye]

Doesn't make it right. I mean, I get that people say stuff at games. But sitting there on your computer or phone, what makes a person write a nasty comment to a player's wife and then think "yeah, this makes perfect sense to say this" and hit send?

Alcohol + anonymity?

[Playadlc]

What a play by Mes.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Are you suggesting the Cards offensive success is luck?

There's no doubt that a lot of it is. When they finally crash and burn, it'll be fun to watch.

[reds44]

That was a hell of a play by Mes.

[edabbs44]

Doesn't make it right. I mean, I get that people say stuff at games. But sitting there on your computer or phone, what makes a person write a nasty comment to a player's wife and then think "yeah, this makes perfect sense to say this" and hit send?

I don't follow her story but isn't she kind of an outspoken one?

[RedEye]

I don't follow her story but isn't she kind of an outspoken one?

Yes. And quite smart, sassy and attractive. Those elements combined probably explain why her twitter feed is a a popular destination.

[Kc61]

There's no doubt that a lot of it is. When they finally crash and burn, it'll be fun to watch.

Dream on.

Like they crashed and burned last year when they were the best offense in the National League and won the World Series?

[RedEye]

This is like infield practice for the Cards tonight.

[RedEye]

Starting to have the feel of a complete game shutout right now...

[BuckeyeRedleg]

There's no doubt that a lot of it is. When they finally crash and burn, it'll be fun to watch.

Sure they will.

[edabbs44]

Yes. And quite smart, sassy and attractive. Those elements combined probably explain why her twitter feed is a a popular destination.

As well as an easy target on Twitter.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

I've seen enough of the remains of Scott Rolen. He couldn't hit his way out of a wet paper bag. The sooner the Reds decide to address that elephant in the room, the faster they can get on with trying to win baseball games at a pace needed to win divisions.

[dabvu2498]

Hey! Look! An extra base hit!!!

[RedEye]

As well as an easy target on Twitter.

Isn't that what I just wrote? But, again, doesn't make it right.

[LincolnparkRed]

I'm having real trouble enjoying this season.

fixed it for you

[Kc61]

Mes is starting to look like a ballplayer. Nice infield hit to knock in a run, following a fine play defensively.

Important that Mes should do well with the Reds picking him over Grandal.

[CrackerJack]

Doesn't make it right. I mean, I get that people say stuff at games. But sitting there on your computer or phone, what makes a person write a nasty comment to a player's wife and then think "yeah, this makes perfect sense to say this" and hit send?

Twitter is ridiculous and requires a lower IQ to tolerate, like most article/blog comment sections on the internets.

[Tom Servo]

Starting to have the feel of a complete game shutout right now...
:thumbup:

[Playadlc]

This game is still in the 5th. Feels like the 8th.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

I've seen enough of the remains of Scott Rolen. He couldn't hit his way out of a wet paper bag. The sooner the Reds decide to address that elephant in the room, the faster they can get on with trying to win baseball games at a pace needed to win divisions.

5 for 39 now with a sub .350 OPS.

Ginormous elephant.

[mattfeet]

Wow. Latos just can't do anything well tonight. :(

[reds44]

Juan Francisco went yard today.

[RedEye]

(cues another negative comment): This team sucks!

[cbowen2112]

Frazier tomorrow. Hope he does well.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Wow. Latos just can't do anything well tonight. :(

Not just tonight. Pretty much a disaster thru 3 games.

[cbowen2112]

Who would have thunk that Arroyo would start out as our second best pitcher this year? Most wanted him exiled before the season started.

[Tom Servo]

Not just tonight. Pretty much a disaster thru 3 games.
Disaster seems rather hyperbolic, especially since his line against the Nats was acceptable.

[reds44]

Eventually the Reds are going to break out of it and score like 14 runs.


And then lose 3-2 the day after.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Dream on.

Like they crashed and burned last year when they were the best offense in the National League and won the World Series?

Like when they needed every planet to align just to make the playoffs? Like when they couldn't win a division that includes the Astros, cubs and pirates in 2011? Or 2010?

They got the mother of all lucky breaks last year courtesy of the braves. Kudos to them for taking advantage of it. But they're still lucky.

[cbowen2112]

Latos is looking filthy this inning

[reds44]

So who takes over for Dusty eventually this year? Bell? LaRussa?

[dabvu2498]

Eventually the Reds are going to break out of it and score like 14 runs.


And then lose 3-2 the day after.

2 runs? You're an optimist, aren't you? ;)

[RedEye]

So who takes over for Dusty eventually this year? Bell? LaRussa?

I'd put my money on Bell.

[cbowen2112]

Latos could go 2 more easily. He is pumping 96-97 on his fastball right now. Save the pen Dusty. If we don't score, using the bullpen makes no sense. If he starts getting mashed, but his pitch count is relative to the inning, leave him in.

[cbowen2112]

So who takes over for Dusty eventually this year? Bell? LaRussa?

No one. He stays and perhaps retires at season's end.

[reds44]

I'd put my money on Bell.
I would agree. I think Walt will try to get TLR, but I don't see him biting.

[Tom Servo]

So who takes over for Dusty eventually this year? Bell? LaRussa?
Riggleman's probably an option as well.

[cbowen2112]

Thom loves Stubbs....;)

[cbowen2112]

Please try and steal to stay out of the double-play.

[reds44]

Riggleman's probably an option as well.
Didn't even think of that, that's a good one.

I'll still go with Bell.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Should never have gotten rid of Mackanin. But, hey, throwing around $3.5 MM a year for a name was the cool thing to do.

[Kc61]

Like when they needed every planet to align just to make the playoffs? Like when they couldn't win a division that includes the Astros, cubs and pirates in 2011? Or 2010?

They got the mother of all lucky breaks last year courtesy of the braves. Kudos to them for taking advantage of it. But they're still lucky.

I guess you are relying on the planets aligning stat.

Every other offensive stat shows that the Cards were the dominant offensive team in the NL for 162 games last year.

The Cards are still a good offensive team this year, good balance, steady hitters, don't strike out.

The Reds, on the other hand, are Joey Votto, a couple of old timers, and the right handed swing away and miss club.

[reds44]

Should never have gotten rid of Mackanin. But, hey, throwing around $3.5 MM a year for a name was the cool thing to do.
He's still out there.

[Playadlc]

Votto is the only hitter we have right now that will go the other way. And Cozart.

[Kc61]

Should never have gotten rid of Mackanin. But, hey, throwing around $3.5 MM a year for a name was the cool thing to do.

Walt Jocketty is getting a free ride with all the disdain for Dusty.

Walt put together this powerhouse offense.

He Walt, how about going out and signing some more right handed swing and miss hitters. We only have about 7 of them.

[jojo]

The Reds just need to make it to the end of the month trailing by less than 10 games and this is still a season....

[wheels]

DatDude... DP?

[durl]

2 on and nobody out. I'm seeing an infield fly followed by a double-play.

Sorry to be a pessimist. :-)

[wheels]

Of course.

[reds44]

Dat dude DP.

[durl]

OK, maybe I got the order mixed up. ;-)

[WVRedsFan]

Should never have gotten rid of Mackanin. But, hey, throwing around $3.5 MM a year for a name was the cool thing to do.
There is a reason why Pete hasn't been hired as a manager by some club. Any club. That's why he wasn't hired here. Was Dusty a mistake? My jury is still somewhat out. He makes mistakes, but we rail on TLR here and look what he did. This team isn't winning because of players playing poorly.

[cbowen2112]

Put Mez in the 4 hole, for the love of GOD!!!!!!

[RedEye]

2 on and nobody out. I'm seeing an infield fly followed by a double-play.

Sorry to be a pessimist. :-)

Got the order wrong, but nice call!

[Kc61]

I'm not saying this is the worst Reds offense I have ever seen.

But it is playing as badly as any Reds offense I have ever seen.

As Jay Bruce does his usual GABP home run upper cut swing that goes into short right field for the final out of the once promising inning.

Jay, I have two words for you. Line is the first word. Drive is the second.

[HokieRed]

Walt Jocketty is getting a free ride with all the disdain for Dusty.

Walt put together this powerhouse offense.

He Walt, how about going out and signing some more right handed swing and miss hitters. We only have about 7 of them.

Be careful. I said this earlier. It may not be allowable to say on RZ.

[RedEye]

God, this offense couldn't be going much worse, could it?

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Nice production out of our 4 and 5 hitters. Seriously, is this rock bottom?

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Walt Jocketty is getting a free ride with all the disdain for Dusty.

Walt put together this powerhouse offense.

He Walt, how about going out and signing some more right handed swing and miss hitters. We only have about 7 of them.

I never have been a fan of Dusty and have always thought he was a waste of money, especially for a small market team.

Walt came into this season with a black hole at 3B, LF, and CF. Jury is still out on Ludwick, but CF and 3B appears to be a serious issue. That's on Walt.

And Valdez and Harris on the bench don't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. Yeah, I know, they are just utility bench players.....until someone gets hurt and they are forced to play.

[cbowen2112]

If you look at the box score, this game should be closer. The difference between Championship style confidence and a super slump. Good thing there is no way our offense stays at this team average of about .200 (if that). That would make this the worse turn around with pretty much the same lineup in MLB history. I want the trend to go the other way, not best to worst.

[RedEye]

Nice production out of our 4 and 5 hitters. Seriously, is this rock bottom?

Sure feels like it. I hope it is, because I'd hate to see worse.

[durl]

Got the order wrong, but nice call!

I feel somewhat guilty about accepting the compliment, but if the Reds can't hit, we have to make up our own fun, I suppose.

[cbowen2112]

Hanging sliders like crazy tonight. Throw fast balls.

[Tom Servo]

Was 2010 really that long ago?

[Kc61]

You would think after several years Jay Bruce would stop with the upper cut swings that wind up being pops to short right field.

I haven't checked his line drive rate, but it isn't likely to be very high.

I honestly think GABP has destroyed Bruce's career. He seems to be constantly aiming for the short right field fence. Even when he isn't playing in Cincy.

[Playadlc]

I have no idea if Jacoby should be blamed or not, but how long does this guy last?

[cbowen2112]

You would think after several years Jay Bruce would stop with the upper cut swings that wind up being pops to short right field.

I haven't checked his line drive rate, but it isn't likely to be very high.

I honestly think GABP has destroyed Bruce's career. He seems to be constantly aiming for the short right field fence. Even when he isn't playing in Cincy.

I wonder if he could learn to be a switch hitter still?

[reds44]

At this point why not just hit Cozart cleanup?

[cbowen2112]

At this point why not just hit Cozart cleanup?

Anyone but the two current slowest players on the team.

[Tom Servo]

At this point why not just hit Cozart cleanup?
Shortstop hitting clean-up? You're dealing on an entirely different plane than Dusty can even begin to imagine.

[reds44]

Anyone but the two current slowest players on the team.
Heisey
Mes
Votto
Cozart
Bruce
Phillips
Rolen
Stubbs

[HokieRed]

I have no idea if Jacoby should be blamed or not, but how long does this guy last?

If it doesn't improve, why should he last beyond 20 more games. Not to blame him, but you just have to do something to change the chemistry.

[cbowen2112]

Heisey
Mes
Votto
Cozart
Bruce
Phillips
Rolen
Stubbs

I like it.

[Kc61]

I like it.

I would like it too, except I'd prefer different players at about 5 positions.

[cbowen2112]

I would like it too, except I'd prefer different players at about 5 positions.

At this point, we can only change so much. They will pan out to their career avg. except maybe Rolen.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

There is a reason why Pete hasn't been hired as a manager by some club. Any club. That's why he wasn't hired here. Was Dusty a mistake? My jury is still somewhat out. He makes mistakes, but we rail on TLR here and look what he did. This team isn't winning because of players playing poorly.

I'm told here that managers don't win or lose games.

We had a decent manager that seemed to have a pattern of making logical decisions based on common sense. He was also paid peanuts. Win. win.

Having an inferiority complex we then went out and threw a bunch of money at a big name guy that coaches by his gut and makes questionable decisions on a daily basis. Heck, the lineup card has been an issue from day one.

[cbowen2112]

So what happen between innings that made Latos look like garbage? Geez

[Kc61]

I say bring back Paul Janish and the Reds will start to win.

He seems like a good guy, a hard worker, a good fielder.

He can't hit.

But the baseball gods may be angry at the Reds for sending down such a solid guy.

Bring back Paul, turn around the season.

That simple.

[reds44]

Janish has been killing the ball in AAA. Maybe he pulled a Space Jam and stole the Reds players talent.

[jojo]

So what happen between innings that made Latos look like garbage? Geez

It's got to be the tattoos.

[Tom Servo]

I say bring back Paul Janish and the Reds will start to win.

He seems like a good guy, a hard worker, a good fielder.

He can't hit.

But the baseball gods may be angry at the Reds for sending down such a solid guy.

Bring back Paul, turn around the season.

That simple.
Fact is we haven't been any good since we dumped Laynce Nix. We're really missing that extra Y.

[cbowen2112]

It's got to be the tattoos.

Maybe before the 5th Dallas payed him a visit.;)

[HokieRed]

I would like it too, except I'd prefer different players at about 5 positions.

Me, too. Start over with Votto, Phillips, Cozart, Bruce, and the catchers. Keep Heisey as a fifth outfielder. That probably will be the starting group for the 2013 roster.

[Kc61]

Think we could get Boxberger straight up for Latos?

[cbowen2112]

Think we could get Boxberger straight up for Latos?

Hamilton for Latos...

[reds44]

Hamilton for Latos...

Joey?

[cbowen2112]

Joey?

Joshy

[OldXOhio]

Jay Bruce is still very young. He just needs more time.

[Kc61]

Jay Bruce is still very young. He just needs more time.

How much more?

[HokieRed]

Jay Bruce is still very young. He just needs more time.

We're all going to need more time.

[cbowen2112]

Has Hanigan caught Latos yet?

[OldXOhio]

How much more?

6 years. Maybe 7.

[cbowen2112]

6 years. Maybe 7.

Who is he David Freese?:laugh:

[Kc61]

Jay Bruce is still very young. He just needs more time.


6 years. Maybe 7.

I go with 7. Can't see it happening in 6.

[Tom Servo]

Garcia with an at-bat better than most Reds could even imagine.

[cbowen2112]

Garcia with an at-bat better than most Reds could even imagine.

Except Cueto;)

[OldXOhio]

I go with 7. Can't see it happening in 6.

Yeah Rolen will still be hitting clean up in '18

[reds44]

That just happened.

[Playadlc]

Stubbs is absolutely worthless right now.

[Tom Servo]

Welp.

[CTA513]

Yeah Rolen will still be hitting clean up in '18

You think MLB will let him use a walker?

[HokieRed]

Yeah Rolen will still be hitting clean up in '18

No by then Walt will have brought in some more guys who were once good at St. Louis. That seems to be his modus operandi.

[dougdirt]

Stubbs is absolutely worthless right now.

Really?

[cbowen2112]

Stubbs should have had that for sure.

[reds44]

Really?
He's not?

[Playadlc]

Really?

Yes. I mean on the baseball field, obviously.

[dougdirt]

He's not?

Maybe, but not because he didn't track down a 402 foot ball to dead center field.

[cbowen2112]

Tough play, but he broke very late and was playing about as shallow as possible.

[dougdirt]

Tough play, but he broke very late and was playing about as shallow as possible.

Of course he was playing shallow as possible. The opposing pitcher was hitting.

[Kc61]

If Stubbs can't catch that ball, and Stubbs can't make contact with the baseball, then what exactly does Stubbs do?

[Playadlc]

Maybe, but not because he didn't track down a 402 foot ball to dead center field.

Ball should have absolutely been caught. Stubbs is scared to death of the fence.

[HokieRed]

If Stubbs can't catch that ball, and Stubbs can't make contact with the baseball, then what exactly does Stubbs do?

He runs well.

[dougdirt]

If Stubbs can't catch that ball, and Stubbs can't make contact with the baseball, then what exactly does Stubbs do?

How many guys do catch that ball given where Stubbs started the play?

[reds44]

Maybe, but not because he didn't track down a 402 foot ball to dead center field.
He's also hitting .186.

[Cedric]

A good CF makes that play easily. Stubbs is one of the worst CF's I have ever seen around the wall. That's because the guy lacks baseball instincts.

He plays like an athlete that has no idea what to do on the field.

[dougdirt]

He's also hitting .186.

Yes. But that isn't why the comment was made. The comment was made because Stubbs didn't catch a 402 foot crush job by the opposing pitcher.

[reds44]

Yes. But that isn't why the comment was made. The comment was made because Stubbs didn't catch a 402 foot crush job by the opposing pitcher.
Still was an accurate comment.

[dougdirt]

Still was an accurate comment.

I don't know, because he is still pretty good in center.

[Kc61]

Yes. But that isn't why the comment was made. The comment was made because Stubbs didn't catch a 402 foot crush job by the opposing pitcher.

He looked like he was getting to it, but as sometimes happens with Stubbs, he gets messed up when he nears the outfield wall.

It was a nice job getting back to the ball, but then he either turns the wrong way or misses it or whatever.

Now 8-1.

The Reds are terrible and I can't watch this garbage any more.

[reds44]

I don't know, because he is still pretty good in center.
He could be the best CFer ever and he'd still be worthless right now.

[edabbs44]

I have to say, and not only because of that play, but Stubbs' glove is/was extremely overhyped. As are a lot of other Reds defenders.

[dougdirt]

I have to say, and not only because of that play, but Stubbs' glove is/was extremely overhyped. As are a lot of other Reds defenders.

Kevin Goldstein argued the other day that Stubbs is the best defensive center fielder in the game. Clearly scouts still think he can go get it with the best of them.