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cumberlandreds
05-02-2012, 03:57 PM
Let's try this again. Hopefully no rain tonight. How's it looking in Cincy?
Lineups via baseballpress.com


1. David DeJesus (L) RF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=dejesda01&year=Career&t=b)
2. Tony Campana (L) CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=campato01&year=Career&t=b)
3. Starlin Castro (R) SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=castrst01&year=Career&t=b)
4. Bryan LaHair (L) 1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=lahaibr01&year=Career&t=b)
5. Alfonso Soriano (R) LF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=soriaal01&year=Career&t=b)
6. Ian Stewart (L) 3B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=stewaia01&year=Career&t=b)
7. Blake DeWitt (L) 2B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=dewitbl01&year=Career&t=b)
8. Geovany Soto (R) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=sotoge01&year=Career&t=b)
9. Jeff Samardzija (R) P (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=samarje01&year=Career&t=b)

(http://www.baseballpress.com/lineup_team.php?team=CIN)1. Zack Cozart (R) SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=cozarza01&year=Career&t=b)
2. Drew Stubbs (R) CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=stubbdr01&year=Career&t=b)
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=vottojo01&year=Career&t=b)
4. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=phillbr01&year=Career&t=b)
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=bruceja01&year=Career&t=b)
6. Scott Rolen (R) 3B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=rolensc01&year=Career&t=b)
7. Chris Heisey (R) LF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=heisech01&year=Career&t=b)
8. Ryan Hanigan (R) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=hanigry01&year=Career&t=b)
9. Bronson Arroyo (R) P (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=arroybr01&year=Career&t=b)

Reds Fanatic
05-02-2012, 05:04 PM
No chance of rain the rest of this series. It going to be unseasonably warm for early May. In fact it feels more like July than May.

The next chance of rain for the Reds will be when they go to Pittsburgh, It always rains when they go to Pittsburgh.

reds1869
05-02-2012, 05:06 PM
Looking forward to heading down to the old ballyard...something I definitely couldn't say last night. Absolutely perfect weather for the Reds offense to take batting practice off of the Cubbies staff.

Redsfan320
05-02-2012, 06:02 PM
I'll be down at GABP tonight with the family. View level seats, 2nd row, almost right behind home, for $10 each is hard to beat.

320

Redsfan320
05-02-2012, 06:02 PM
I'll be down at GABP tonight with the family. View level seats, 2nd row, almost right behind home, for $10 each is hard to beat.

320

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 08:18 PM
Everyone waiting on Arroyo to give up some runs before posting?

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:19 PM
Bronson gives up a 2 out double to Castro but picked him off 2nd to end the inning.

Cozart pops up behind 2nd on the 1st pitch and Stubbs Ks.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:20 PM
Votto Ks but reaches 1st on a wild pitch.

kbrake
05-02-2012, 08:21 PM
Good to see the Reds are working the count tonight.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:21 PM
Brandon flies to RF on the 1st pitch. They must have a party to go to about 9:00.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:26 PM
LeHair takes Bronson deep to RF. 1-0 Cubs.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:27 PM
Soriano singles to LF.

WildcatFan
05-02-2012, 08:28 PM
I turned on the tv as LaHair swung. Welcome back, Reds baseball!

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:29 PM
Stewart grounds to Hanigan. 1 out.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:30 PM
DeWitt grounds to Bronson. Soriano goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:35 PM
Soto walks but the pitcher pops to RF. 1-0 Cubs after 1 and a half.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:40 PM
Bruce lines to Soriano and Rolen flies to RF. Reds really hitting the cover off the ball tonight.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:41 PM
Heisey grounds back to the box. 1-0 Chubs end of 2.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-02-2012, 08:42 PM
Six of the easiest outs imaginable there. Geez...

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 08:43 PM
Heisey really looks bad. Two pitches he swung at we're afterthoughts, especially that weak tap to the pitcher. Let him pinch hit, but starting? Not now.

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 08:47 PM
Bugs Bunny on the mound tonight.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:50 PM
DeJesus pops to LF. Campana Ks. Castro grounds to SS.

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 08:53 PM
Not game related but enjoy

http://m.deadspin.com/5907145/tim-welke-demonstrated-why-the-human-element-is-a-pathetic-joke

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 08:54 PM
Cubs pitcher with 18 pitches thru 2, Arroya with 50+.

Might be a long night

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:55 PM
Hanigan Ks. Bronson flies to medium-deep LF. Hardest hit ball of the night.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 08:55 PM
Bronson hits the ball harder than our power hitters. Strange.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 08:57 PM
I haven't double checked, but are the Reds being NO HIT right now?

Chip R
05-02-2012, 08:57 PM
Cozart must have a hot date after the game as he pops up to Soto on the 2nd pitch.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-02-2012, 08:57 PM
Through three innings: 26 pitches for the mediocre cubs starter and, of course, no hits allowed.

Arroyo needed 54 pitches to get through three

Vottomatic
05-02-2012, 08:57 PM
I haven't double checked, but are the Reds being NO HIT right now?

Yes

redsfaninbsg
05-02-2012, 08:57 PM
Total domination to this point.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 08:57 PM
Alphabet pitcher with 26 pitches through 3. No hitter going. No patience or the guy is Randy Johnson in disguise.

VR
05-02-2012, 08:59 PM
Alphabet pitcher with 26 pitches through 3. No hitter going. No patience or the guy is Randy Johnson in disguise.

It helps when one pitcher has everything in the zip code called a strike...the other has to be in the middle of the zone. Cubs announcers have mentioned it twice now.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 09:00 PM
LaHair grounds to Votto. 1 out.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:01 PM
Ian Stewart? We're doomed. HR. 2-0

Chip R
05-02-2012, 09:01 PM
Soriano Ks. 2 outs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-02-2012, 09:01 PM
Alphabet pitcher with 26 pitches through 3. No hitter going. No patience or the guy is Randy Johnson in disguise.

The Astros rookie hack starter also no-hit the reds the first time through the order. And he wasn't the first. It's becoming expected.

And another HR for the thousands of cubs fans there to celebrate.

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 09:02 PM
Let's go thru the order twice before calling the bats dead today.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:03 PM
The Astros rookie hack starter also no-hit the reds the first time through the order. And he wasn't the first. It's becoming expected.

And another HR for the thousands of cubs fans there to celebrate.

He wasn't a rookie (Jordan Lyles that is). He pitched quite a bit last season. I'm not sure why people were thinking it was his first start.

2-8 last year with 15 starts out of 20 games played.

Chip R
05-02-2012, 09:09 PM
Stubbs grounds to 3rd and Votto walks.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:10 PM
No hitter gone

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:12 PM
Bruce DP but run scores 2-1 Cubbies.

BCubb2003
05-02-2012, 09:12 PM
Productive double play.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:15 PM
Dumb move by LaHair, but smart move by Phillips to allow the run to score.

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 09:15 PM
Dumb move by LaHair, but smart move by Phillips to allow the run to score.

I thought that...Cubbies gave us one there.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:17 PM
I thought that...Cubbies gave us one there.

Yep. Merry Christmas :)

kbrake
05-02-2012, 09:19 PM
That one might hurt real bad.

Degenerate39
05-02-2012, 09:19 PM
No reason for Votto to be over that far

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 09:19 PM
Is there any scenario where Bruce could have got an RBI there?

Cause it seems like not giving him the RBI assumes the Cubs could have turned a 3-6-3 force DP.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:28 PM
Another DP. Hanigan just can't figure this guy out at all. 2-1 Cubbies after 5 full.

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 09:29 PM
nm

redsfaninbsg
05-02-2012, 09:29 PM
It's a small miracle this is a one run game.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:30 PM
It looked like Hanigan hit himself on the ankle on that big swing follow-through. He came up limping and the announcers were saying he rolled his left ankle. It was his right that he smacked.

VR
05-02-2012, 09:31 PM
Great DP by the Cubbies.....Castro with a serious gun over there.

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 09:31 PM
http://drinian.org/dump/lawrence-from-office-space.jpg

That is all.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:33 PM
Bad move by Cozart. Heisey was clearly calling for that ball.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:34 PM
Great DP by the Cubbies.....Castro with a serious gun over there.
And thousands in Florida are looking over their shoulder...

Never mind.

oneupper
05-02-2012, 09:35 PM
Dumb move by LaHair, but smart move by Phillips to allow the run to score.

If LaHair goes to second initially, I doubt they get Bruce at first. Run still scores but they only get one out.
Maybe he could have frozen the runner at third before going to second.
Still, not so cut and dry, IMO.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:39 PM
If LaHair goes to second initially, I doubt they get Bruce at first. Run still scores but they only get one out.
Maybe he could have frozen the runner at third before going to second.
Still, not so cut and dry, IMO.
Looked to me like Bruce would have been out, but no matter. We got a run--probably a gift.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:41 PM
Who is the Cubs' first base coach? He looks VERY familiar.

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 09:42 PM
Lopes?

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:42 PM
3-1 on Soto single.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:43 PM
Lopes?

That's what I was thinking. It sure looked like him.

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 09:43 PM
Lopes is with LA.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:44 PM
Still a quality start, but the Reds need to get busy. It's nearly the same every night. Few hits and struggle.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:44 PM
Now I've got to look it up. It's got me too curious. :O)

~edit~ Dave McKay. Boy, it sure looked like Davey Lopes to me.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:47 PM
Here come the runs. We've got the big bat coming up. Willie Harris. *sigh*

Tom Servo
05-02-2012, 09:47 PM
Willie Harris continues his torrid pace as a Red.

HokieRed
05-02-2012, 09:48 PM
Wasted at-bat.

Plus Plus
05-02-2012, 09:48 PM
Willie Harris continues his torrid pace as a Red.

There is very little that excites me about having Willie Harris on the roster.

VR
05-02-2012, 09:49 PM
And thousands in Florida are looking over their shoulder...

Never mind.

#/gets it

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:49 PM
Say what you want about the Reds hitters, but Samardzjia is throwing the ball VERY well.

Vottomatic
05-02-2012, 09:51 PM
The Reds continue to give me little hope that they are going to contend. This offense is anemic.

"It's early"

membengal
05-02-2012, 09:51 PM
Say what you want about the Reds hitters, but Samardzjia is throwing the ball VERY well.

I guess. That's a common theme for pitchers the face the Reds this year...

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:51 PM
Wasted inning and maybe game

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:51 PM
Drew gets a hold of that one. It's going, going, going.......or not.

Screwball
05-02-2012, 09:51 PM
Samardzija has been impressive. Mid-90s heat, good location, with lots of sink and action on his pitches.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:52 PM
Samardzija has been impressive. Mid-90s heat, good location, with lots of sink and action on his pitches.

Exactly. His slider (I'm assuming) is pretty nasty too. That ain't chopped liver on the bump.

reds44
05-02-2012, 09:53 PM
Cozart batting 1st: .171/.237/.257/.494.
Batting 2nd: .354/.415/583/.988.

And yet he's batting leadoff tonight. #dustyball

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:53 PM
LeCure to all our ails?

Plus Plus
05-02-2012, 09:53 PM
The Reds continue to give me little hope that they are going to contend. This offense is anemic.

"It's early"

Scoring 4+ in 7 straight and 9 of 10, with games where 9 runs were scored twice and 6 were scored another three times, is very far from anemic.

Vottomatic
05-02-2012, 09:54 PM
We make average pitchers look like Randy Johnson.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:54 PM
Cozart batting 1st: .171/.237/.257/.494.
Batting 2nd: .354/.415/583/.988.

And yet he's batting leadoff tonight. #dustyball

Same can be said for Stubbs. Find me a Reds hitter who IS finding success leading off. Worst in the NL right now in the #1 hole.

Plus Plus
05-02-2012, 09:55 PM
We make average pitchers look like Randy Johnson.

We made Adam Wainwright look like he belonged in a softball league.

Tom Servo
05-02-2012, 09:55 PM
Samardzija is an above average pitcher.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:55 PM
Exactly. His slider (I'm assuming) is pretty nasty too. That ain't chopped liver on the bump.

And having thrown only 61 pitches, he will finish this one out. With his ERA coming in, it looked like me might score some runs, but Reds hitters were quick to swing.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:56 PM
Samardzija is an above average pitcher.

I agree. He's got EXCELLENT stuff.

reds44
05-02-2012, 09:56 PM
And having thrown only 61 pitches, he will finish this one out. With his ERA coming in, it looked like me might score some runs, but Reds hitters were quick to swing.
Dusty ball!

klw
05-02-2012, 09:56 PM
Same can be said for Stubbs. Find me a Reds hitter who IS finding success leading off. Worst in the NL right now in the #1 hole.

I say move Phillips back to leadoff, Cozart to 2nd, Stubbs to cleanup

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:57 PM
Wow. Nice swing. LOL

reds44
05-02-2012, 09:57 PM
I say move Phillips back to leadoff, Cozart to 2nd, Stubbs to cleanup
Do you want Votto to walk 900 times?

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 09:58 PM
I say move Phillips back to leadoff, Cozart to 2nd, Stubbs to cleanup

I agree with Brandon to leadoff. As for the 2 hole, I'd like to see a rotation of sorts with Cozart & Stubbs. When not in the 2 hole, lower in the order...like 7 or 8.

Cleanup...I want to see Hanigan & Mesoraco there.

reds44
05-02-2012, 09:59 PM
I agree with Brandon to leadoff. As for the 2 hole, I'd like to see a rotation of sorts with Cozart & Stubbs. When not in the 2 hole, lower in the order...like 7 or 8.

Cleanup...I want to see Hanigan & Mesoraco there.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 09:59 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
My exact reaction.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:00 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Yep. He doesn't have the power, but he's got excellent on base skills, plate disciple and he makes excellent contact. He's a VERY tough out in general. Plus Mesoraco just looks like a middle of the order bat in the making. Putting them both there just keeps the rest of the lineup stable as Dusty obviously loves doing.

Personally, I've got no problem with it being Votto & Bruce back to back 3/4 but Dusty seems to be obviously opposed to that idea unless he's got no other options. So if that idea is off the table...I'd like to see the tough out there.

Degenerate39
05-02-2012, 10:03 PM
Bruce is going to homer soon

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:03 PM
Yep. He doesn't have the power, but he's got excellent on base skills, plate disciple and he makes excellent contact. He's a VERY tough out in general. Plus Mesoraco just looks like a middle of the order bat in the making. Putting them both there just keeps the rest of the lineup stable as Dusty obviously loves doing.
You want the guy with the .735 career OPS, .714 last year, and .657 this year to protect Votto? Again, do you want him to walk 900 times?

You could always bat your second best hitter (Bruce) 4th, but I guess that makes too much sense.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:04 PM
I think the offensive roster needs an overhaul. Third, LF, and CF needs to be addressed with big bats. Then put Stubbs, Rolen, etc in for defense and spot starting. Lots of guys can hit. We could find these bats.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:06 PM
You want the guy with the .735 career OPS, .714 last year, and .657 last year to protect Votto? Again, do you want him to walk 900 times?

You could always bat your second best hitter (Bruce) 4th, but I guess that makes too much sense.

I don't see Dusty hitting Votto & Bruce back to back very often. So I'm thinking outside of the box with that option off the table.

As I said, Hanny doesn't have power, but he also isn't a strikeout waiting to happen...or a DP.

Stubbs is a high K chance no matter where you put him. Phillips just alters his approach too much in the cleanup role. We know how Rolen is there. The options are just too limited, so thinking outside of the box might just be the answer.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:06 PM
I don't see Dusty hitting Votto & Bruce back to back very often. So I'm thinking outside of the box with that option off the table.

As I said, Hanny doesn't have power, but he also isn't a strikeout waiting to happen...or a DP.

Stubbs is a high K chance no matter where you put him. Phillips just alters his approach too much in the cleanup role. We know how Rolen is there. The options are just too limited, so thinking outside of the box might just be the answer.
A slow guy who strikes out very little isn't a DP waiting to happen?

EDIT: Wow, I'm surprised how little he's grounded into DPs in his career.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:08 PM
A slow guy who strikes out very little isn't a DP waiting to happen?

EDIT: Wow, I'm surprised how little he's grounded into DPs in his career.

I was just going to suggest you look into how often he's really doubled up. It's a RARITY.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:08 PM
No one is on in front of him. Rarely anyhow. Most of his career, he batted 8th.

Playadlc
05-02-2012, 10:09 PM
Just try and get to Marmol at this point. Then anything can happen.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:09 PM
No one is on in front of him.

Not true either.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:09 PM
No one is on in front of him.
Yeah, I have to think that has more to do with this then anything. When you're THAT slow and you put the ball in play that much, you are a DP waiting to happen.

Tom Servo
05-02-2012, 10:09 PM
Just try and get to Marmol at this point. Then anything can happen.
:thumbup:

dougdirt
05-02-2012, 10:09 PM
Bruce is going to homer soon

You almost had me... :laugh:

Degenerate39
05-02-2012, 10:10 PM
You almost had me... :laugh:

I just jumped out of my chair lol

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:10 PM
Not true either.
Prove it ;).

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:10 PM
Man, I thought he had that one. :O)

Tom Servo
05-02-2012, 10:11 PM
For those complaining about Samardzija keeping the Reds in check, please note that Jeff Suppan pitched 5 scoreless against the Brewers today. Jeff Suppan.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:12 PM
Rolen is hitting .178. It's not that early anymore.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:14 PM
hang 'em up Rolen. Wow.

LincolnparkRed
05-02-2012, 10:14 PM
Rolen is off the books at the end of the year right?

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:15 PM
hang 'em up Rolen. Wow.

Defense only. So far. 84 pitches for Sam.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:15 PM
Defense only. So far. 84 pitches for Sam.
No amount of defense carries that bat, none.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:16 PM
Rolen is off the books at the end of the year right?
Yes.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:17 PM
No amount of defense carries that bat, none.

Late innings only. Heck, Votto is down to .282. No one is hitting consistently.

LincolnparkRed
05-02-2012, 10:17 PM
No amount of defense carries that bat, none.

Yet we also carry Willie Harris. One glove no stick and one guy with no glove or stick

Yeah Walt and Dusty

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:17 PM
Prove it ;).

I'm not great in navigating the stat sites, but I'll give it a shot.

Hanigan
861 career ab's
341 with men on base
40% of the time, men on base

Votto
2301 career ab's
996 with men on base
43% of the time, men on base

Bruce
1933 career ab's
874 with men on base
45% of the time, men on base

Doesn't look like that much of a drop off to me and you'd almost HAVE to expect a smaller percentage to be on for the 8 hole hitter.

With such a dramatic drop off in DP's hit into, I'd say it's a safe bet that he wouldn't hit into more in the 4 hole.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:17 PM
He is WAAAAY behind any fastball, just guessing up there. It's really sad. He knows it.

LincolnparkRed
05-02-2012, 10:17 PM
Yes.

He can go back to Jasper and live like a small town king

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:18 PM
Yet we also carry Willie Harris. One glove no stick and one guy with no glove or stick

Yeah Walt and Dusty
Had to trade Francisco to carry ole Willie too.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:19 PM
He can go back to Jasper and live like a small town king
Yeah I think this is going to be his last year.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:19 PM
I'm not great in navigating the stat sites, but I'll give it a shot.

Hanigan
861 career ab's
341 with men on base
40% of the time, men on base

Votto
2301 career ab's
996 with men on base
43% of the time, men on base

Bruce
1933 career ab's
874 with men on base
45% of the time, men on base

Doesn't look like that much of a drop off to me and you'd almost HAVE to expect a smaller percentage to be on for the 8 hole hitter.

With such a dramatic drop off in DP's hit into, I'd say it's a safe bet that he wouldn't hit into more in the 4 hole.Heck, I was just joking. Still, as slow as he is, I still think cleanup would be a huge error.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:20 PM
AT this point, given what we have seen so far, is there any optimism that Rolen is going to be even a league average hitter this year? I'm not so sure.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:20 PM
AT this point, given what we have seen so far, is there any optimism that Rolen is going to be even a league average hitter this year? I'm not so sure.
He's been bad since like July of 2010. He's done.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:21 PM
AT this point, given what we have seen so far, is there any optimism that Rolen is going to be even a league average hitter this year? I'm not so sure.You never know. Who would have thought Votto would have the year he's having?

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:21 PM
You never know. Who would have thought Votto would have the year he's having?
Yeah he's got a .940 OPS. He sucks.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:21 PM
This just in....LeCure looking VERY good.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:21 PM
Rolen is off the books at the end of the year right?

I do believe that the Reds structured his contract in such a way that they will be paying him for years to come. I could be wrong though...

VR
05-02-2012, 10:22 PM
This just in....LeCure looking VERY good.

Getting outs....but they are hitting some shots off of him.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:23 PM
Really nice 2 innings from Sam.

edabbs44
05-02-2012, 10:23 PM
AT this point, given what we have seen so far, is there any optimism that Rolen is going to be even a league average hitter this year? I'm not so sure.

League average 3B is .700 ops right now. About the same last year. He'll get close.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:23 PM
He's been bad since like July of 2010. He's done.

Not this overmatched at the plate. Throw any live fastball or slider around the plate and he's not going to get around on it. And that one armed swing tells me his shoulder is toast. Not to be down on Rolen, who is a great pro...but this is not great.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:23 PM
Yeah he's got a .940 OPS. He sucks.No, but he seems to be struggling at the dish for some reason. Must be the lineup or the way they're pitching him.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:24 PM
League average 3B is .700 ops right now. About the same last year. He'll get close.
82 OPS+. Not really close to league average.

VR
05-02-2012, 10:24 PM
Cards up 9-1 in the 3rd. Would be nice to have a game or 5 like that.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:24 PM
No, but he seems to be struggling at the dish for some reason. Must be the lineup or the way they're pitching him.
He was hitting .289/.439/.500 coming into tonight. In what world is that struggling?

Tom Servo
05-02-2012, 10:25 PM
I just don't see the Reds suddenly becoming a better team, offensively or defensively, by getting rid of Rolen at the moment. Not saying they shouldn't pursue a quality 3B, but giving the job to Miguel Cairo or whoever doesn't seem like a much of an upgrade.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:25 PM
He was hitting .289/.439/.500 coming into tonight. In what world is that struggling?

For Votto, yes.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:25 PM
For Votto, yes.
OPS an entire 8 points lower than it was last year.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:25 PM
I just don't see the Reds suddenly becoming a better team, offensively or defensively, by getting rid of Rolen at the moment. Not saying they shouldn't pursue a quality 3B, but giving the job to Miguel Cairo or whoever doesn't seem like a much of an upgrade.

Word

edabbs44
05-02-2012, 10:25 PM
82 OPS+. Not really close to league average.

Season ain't over.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:26 PM
Season ain't over.
That was last year. Season is over. He's at 57 this year.

VR
05-02-2012, 10:27 PM
Hoover or Simon in the 9th?

LincolnparkRed
05-02-2012, 10:27 PM
I want to see Hoover. No interest in Simon

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:27 PM
When Soriano is making good defensive plays in left you know it's not your night. This ND receiver is still throwing mid 90s! A good few games for him, but the Reds are definitely helping him out!

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:28 PM
Pitching change

VR
05-02-2012, 10:28 PM
Reds get a break as they are bringing in a reliever.

Playadlc
05-02-2012, 10:29 PM
YES!

Give me some Marmol.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:29 PM
Nice ab from Frazier. Takes the free pass.

I think MLB.tv is considerably behind.

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 10:30 PM
Strange hook.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:32 PM
Reliever has 2 K's 8 walks. Cozart swings at first two.

LincolnparkRed
05-02-2012, 10:32 PM
Reliever has 2 K's 8 walks. Cozart swings at first two.
good coaching?

Tom Servo
05-02-2012, 10:32 PM
:owned:

Playadlc
05-02-2012, 10:33 PM
What a pathetic AB by Cozart.

edabbs44
05-02-2012, 10:33 PM
That was last year. Season is over. He's at 57 this year.

I know. He'll get better.

reds44
05-02-2012, 10:33 PM
I know. He'll get better.
It would be hard to be worse.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:33 PM
What a pathetic AB by Cozart.
Lots of those tonight

kaldaniels
05-02-2012, 10:33 PM
Stubbs Votto BP Bruce vs Marmol in the 9th.

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:33 PM
Reliever has 2 K's 8 walks. Cozart swings at first two.

Yep, MLB.tv is way behind. You posted that before that Cubs pitcher even threw his first pitch.

But both pitches were strikes. No point in watching them go by.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:34 PM
Just not fun baseball to watch. I know I've sad this before and was attacked by another poster, but this isn't good baseball. No grinding AB's, no energy. Blech.

edabbs44
05-02-2012, 10:36 PM
It would be hard to be worse.

Sure. As bad as he has been, it isn't very far to league average.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:37 PM
Just not fun baseball to watch. I know I've sad this before and was attacked by another poster, but this isn't good baseball. No grinding AB's, no energy. Blech.

I agree. Watching 9 innings and only seeing 3 hits
is as boring as anything I can think of by the home team. No matter what the stats say, we've seen too many games like this so far.

VR
05-02-2012, 10:39 PM
I thought Hoover threw big gas?

Tom Servo
05-02-2012, 10:39 PM
On the plus side, Hoover has still yet to allow a hit as a Red.

Playadlc
05-02-2012, 10:40 PM
If Stubbs get on here we will tie it.

LincolnparkRed
05-02-2012, 10:40 PM
Didn't look like a closer, but serviceable reliever

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:41 PM
I thought Hoover threw big gas?

You misunderstood. They said he had gas :)

Degenerate39
05-02-2012, 10:41 PM
First two Reds batters are going to be out. Votto will be walked, Phillips will single, Bruce hits a walk off blast.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:42 PM
First two Reds batters are going to be out. Votto will be walked, Phillips will single, Bruce hits a walk off blast.

Dreamer...

_Sir_Charles_
05-02-2012, 10:42 PM
Through 2.2 ip, AJ Burnett has allowed 12 hits and 12 runs to the Cards. Yikes!

BCubb2003
05-02-2012, 10:43 PM
Dreamer...

But he's not the only one ...

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:44 PM
Curious move here putting in Marmol.

VR
05-02-2012, 10:44 PM
First two Reds batters are going to be out. Votto will be walked, Phillips will single, Bruce hits a walk off blast.

But Votto will be thrown out for coming up to bat again after making the 2nd out. :)

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:44 PM
That was a ball ump. Terrible

Degenerate39
05-02-2012, 10:45 PM
But Votto will be thrown out for coming up to bat again after making the 2nd out. :)

I thought Cozart was leading off opps

VR
05-02-2012, 10:45 PM
Ump is anxious to get his Chili dog after the game.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:45 PM
Ribs

Playadlc
05-02-2012, 10:45 PM
Marmol is seriously terrible.

elfmanvt07
05-02-2012, 10:46 PM
Is it just me, or are the Reds hitting a lot of balls well that just aren't dropping tonight?

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:47 PM
Even the terrible can get the Reds out

Playadlc
05-02-2012, 10:47 PM
Phillips should be fined for that 1-0 swing.

mbgrayson
05-02-2012, 10:47 PM
That was a ball ump. Terrible

I try not to whine too much about balls and strikes, but the Cubs pitchers have been given a much bigger zone than have the Reds.

VR
05-02-2012, 10:48 PM
Why is Brandon swinging for an HR when it does absolutely nothing?

3 hideous strike calls by the ump that inning. 6 inches off the plate.

Tom Servo
05-02-2012, 10:48 PM
It's only been 4 games against them, and we've won 2, but I'm already sick of playing the Baby Bears.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:48 PM
Let's face it. This is a .500 club.

elfmanvt07
05-02-2012, 10:49 PM
We needed a new hitting coach like yesterday.

kbrake
05-02-2012, 10:49 PM
Let's face it. This is a .500 club.

Certainly feels that way.

LincolnparkRed
05-02-2012, 10:49 PM
Glad I only get to see this team play 18 or so times a year on tv. Don't know how anyone can watch this team every night

Tom Servo
05-02-2012, 10:49 PM
We needed a new hitting coach like yesterday.
Bring back Chris Chambliss.

kbrake
05-02-2012, 10:50 PM
Unless a new hitting coach is bringing a leadoff hitter and a cleanup hitter with him I'm not sure it would help much.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:51 PM
Glad I only get to see this team play 18 or so times a year on tv. Don't know how anyone can watch this team every night
I'm about ready to find out. This was not pleasant. Glad tomorrow is not on TV and I will be at work. That's how disgusted I am.

elfmanvt07
05-02-2012, 10:51 PM
Unless a new hitting coach is bringing a leadoff hitter and a cleanup hitter with him I'm not sure it would help much.

It's not a question of talent, it's a question of approach. Brandon swinging for the fences with one out left down by two in the bottom of the ninth? What the actual f?

Virginia Beach Reds
05-02-2012, 10:52 PM
I was told by another poster last week, probably with a more advanced baseball knowledge degree than I do, that the season is young. I don't know. I'm almost 40 and been watching Reds baseball since the early 80s and this team is in trouble. I did thank the wise poster for calling me out though. Just calling it as I see it.

kbrake
05-02-2012, 10:53 PM
It's not a question of talent, it's a question of approach. Brandon swinging for the fences with one out left down by two in the bottom of the ninth? What the actual f?

I think its a combination of talent and approach, but if approach is your main concern I think you should start your replacing with the head of the dugout. We've all seen the Dusty quotes non stop. Swing first ask questions later.

WVRedsFan
05-02-2012, 10:59 PM
I was told by another poster last week, probably with a more advanced baseball knowledge degree than I do, that the season is young. I don't know. I'm almost 40 and been watching Reds baseball since the early 80s and this team is in trouble. I did thank the wise poster for calling me out though. Just calling it as I see it.
Lack of a true cleanup hitter and the failures in left and shortstop killed last season. What did Walt do? We bring in retreads Ludwick, Harris, and Valdez. No true cleanup hitter and no hitting left fielder. Lots of outs in those bats. Pitching is wonderful, but our starter allowed 3 runs tonight and we lost. It will be a common theme. Oh, they'll break out now and then, but this is your 2012 Cincinnati Reds

lollipopcurve
05-02-2012, 11:21 PM
As KC has been saying for a long time, good RH pitching can have its way with the Reds. They were overmatched tonight.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-02-2012, 11:30 PM
This team is just boring to watch. The offense is like watching someone get waterboarded.

traderumor
05-03-2012, 09:17 AM
So I guess for about a 1/4 to 1/3 of the Reds games when they score 2 or fewer runs, this is going to be the response? The Reds got outpitched. Our guy gave up a couple of dingers, their guy was on top of his game. Pitching is once again the name of the game. For me, so glad to see the beer league softball era of MLB cycle out--but have no fear, it'll be back.

lollipopcurve
05-03-2012, 10:49 AM
So I guess for about a 1/4 to 1/3 of the Reds games when they score 2 or fewer runs, this is going to be the response?

I think it goes a bit deeper than "our hitters stink." But I do agree that last night Samardzija was very, very tough.