Cueto: Best Reds starter since?

[New York Red]

I might be forgetting about someone, but IMO Cueto has already become the best Reds starting pitcher since Jose Rijo. Cueto's BB/9, HR/9, WHIP and ERA have all gradually decreased in each of his five ML seasons. He's gone from a thrower to a pitcher who can go deep innings every time he takes the mound. Since the start of the 2011 season, his ERA is 2.00, and it's a ridiculous 1.10 in 2012, after another strong outing today.

Some will claim small sample size, but for me I've seen enough. Granted we haven't had a lot of great starters over the last couple decades, but I do believe Cueto is our best since Rijo. I just hope Cueto can avoid the injuries that derailed Rijo's career.

[brm7675]

Frank Pastore...:D

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paul moskau

[texasdave]

paul janish

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mike mcqueen

[DirtyBaker]

Scott Sullivan

[DaytonFlyer]

It's pretty sad that we haven't had a real ace in 20 years. I almost don't know what to do with myself.

Latos is showing signs lately of snapping out of his April too, so we may have 2 guys who are better than anyone we've had in literally 15-20 years.

[improbus]

It's pretty sad that we haven't had a real ace in 20 years. I almost don't know what to do with myself.

Latos is showing signs lately of snapping out of his April too, so we may have 2 guys who are better than anyone we've had in literally 15-20 years.

In 2006 Aaron Harang did lead in two out of the three pitching triple crown categories while also leading the league in complete games.

[improbus]

The last Red to win the MLB ERA crown? Elmer Riddle in 1941.

[Revering4Blue]

If we are talking "homegrown" starter, the obvious answer is Mario Soto, though, it looked like Jack Armstrong was heading that way for a brief period of time.

Then again, even though Rijo wasn't drafted by the Reds organization, one can certainly argue that the Reds actually developed him.

[texasdave]

Tom Browning had some very decent years. Not an ace. But a plus in the rotation.

[Red Buckeye]

Dude. You guys totally forgetting The smokin' Terrapin Eric Milton!

Guy was an absolute stud.

[OSUredsFAN]

.........Steve Parris

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joe jay

[GoReds19]

Aaron Harang.... Before he decided to suck.

[DocRed]

Mario Soto...seriously.

[New York Red]

In 2006 Aaron Harang did lead in two out of the three pitching triple crown categories while also leading the league in complete games.
Harang is the only other candidate I could think of, but he was never even close to being the kind of pitcher Rijo was, or Cueto is. I wish the current Reds staff was getting the kind of run support Harang used to get.

[New York Red]

Some of you are forgetting just how good Jose Rijo was. If not for injuries, he would have been a HOF caliber pitcher. He debuted with the Reds at age 22 and moved into the starting rotation that same year. His first six years, he had an ERA of 2.00+ every year, (with a high of 2.84). He didn't walk a lot of batters and didn't allow a lot of HRs. He just couldn't stay healthy. That was his downfall. He was at his best in the 1990 post-season, and without him we definitely don't sweep the A's. I doubt any pitcher has ever been more dominant in a single World Series than Jose was that year.

[miamiredskin]

I read recently on this board that Homer is better than Cueto. So I guess this discussion is moot.

[smixsell]

As of right now, best since Jose Rijo. My prediction for his career, best I've ever seen, and I've been following the Reds closely since 1975.

[swaisuc]

In 2006 Aaron Harang did lead in two out of the three pitching triple crown categories while also leading the league in complete games.

Ya, I would put Harang's stats for 2006 up against Cueto's 2011. Now if Cueto can extend what he's doing in 2012 all season, that's a totally different story.

Cueto's been awesome, but Harang was a solid ace here for a while.

[redssince75]

Tom Browning had some very decent years. Not an ace. But a plus in the rotation.

This is who I was thinking of. I can't think of anyone in between who was any better than those 2. Browning is one of my favorite Reds of all time. Cueto's career likely should surpass his, but it hasn't yet.

[Pete4prez]

Mario Soto?

[Mr Larkin]

Danny Jackson had one very good year for the Reds. Can't recall the year though.
Rijo was a very strong pitcher. There were days when he was lights out, but injuries plagued him.
Mario Soto was a machine for many years. His circle change has worked for several pitchers.

[Mr Larkin]

1988 - 23 wins and 15 complete games with a 2.73 era for Danny Jackson as a Red.

Just one season though.

[New York Red]

1988 - 23 wins and 15 complete games with a 2.73 era for Danny Jackson as a Red.

Just one season though.
Danny would have run away with the CY Young Award that year if not for Orel Hershiser ending the season on that ridiculous scoreless innings streak.

[Moosie52]

In 2006 Aaron Harang did lead in two out of the three pitching triple crown categories while also leading the league in complete games.

This. That year Harang was a gorilla until that fateful game in San Diego.

[Assembly Hall]

Cueto is looking good. In my lifetime the Reds have had very few stud pitchers. But one name that to my recollection of the posts that hasnt come up is Pete Harnish. A great thread, enjoyed the responses.

[Revering4Blue]

Cueto is looking good. In my lifetime the Reds have had very few stud pitchers. But one name that to my recollection of the posts that hasnt come up is Pete Harnish. A great thread, enjoyed the responses.

Pete Harnish and Pete Schoureck..Two of the best reclamation projects in Reds history, though only briefly what you would define as Ace in both cases.

[alett12]

I'm going to go before my time with these two.
Don Gullet or Tom Seaver