would u...?

[ShaySongz]

Drew Stubbs for BJ Upton...would you do that trade?

[New York Red]

Seems like a lateral move to me. But then again, I'm a Stubbs homer.

[brm7675]

You gain nothing, why do it?

[ShaySongz]

BJ numbers might not be that good, but you got to grade him on a curve..AL East..far better pitching in AL. stubbs stock is reasonable, W/o strikeouts. But limited in lineup order.only hits well in front of Votto. BJ might be able to get that lead off slide, cozart to second

[ShaySongz]

dont tel me you have complete confidence stubbs won't strikeout 150 times this year

[dubc47834]

Upton is batting .300 I believe so far. So yeah, I do it.

[New York Red]

Upton is batting .300 I believe so far. So yeah, I do it.
But that's not his typical season. He's normally more of a .240/.250 type of hitter. If you look at their careers so far, there's very little difference between Upton and Stubbs, other than perception and reputation.

[texasdave]

I think Upton is the better player, but he is also a free agent after this year. Upton is making 7 million this year and that is only going up I would imagine. Stubbs is under control for three more years. I will pass.

[improbus]

I think Upton is the better player, but he is also a free agent after this year. Upton is making 7 million this year and that is only going up I would imagine. Stubbs is under control for three more years. I will pass.

+1

[R_Webb18]

I don't think stubbs will ever be an amazing hitter but I do think ive seen some good things. like hitting the other way more. yes he will strikeout a lot just need to do it less.

[texasdave]

When Stubbs gets on he can find his way home quite proficiently.

[Ohioballplayer]

I think Upton is the better player, but he is also a free agent after this year. Upton is making 7 million this year and that is only going up I would imagine. Stubbs is under control for three more years. I will pass.


THe answer is a big NO!

[Jr's Boy]

I'd do that deal today,and twice on Saturday.

[Big Red Hoss]

BJ numbers might not be that good, but you got to grade him on a curve..AL East..far better pitching in AL. stubbs stock is reasonable, W/o strikeouts. But limited in lineup order.only hits well in front of Votto. BJ might be able to get that lead off slide, cozart to second

Cozart will do fine in the leadoff. If it works to have stubbs in front of votto leave him there. Just like last night vottos RBI's will skyrocket with stubbs on base in front of him.

[bounty37h]

Upton is a frickin head case

[joshua]

Yep. Cozart, Stubbs, Votto, Bruce, Hanigan/Mes, Frazier should be the top of the lineup every game. That would be an RBI machine. I feel that whoever is in front of Votto is going to do well no matter what...Stubbs is inconsistent, but can hit fastballs so he belongs there. He's a weapon on the bases and should be put in the best position to get on.

And no, I wouldn't trade him for BJ Upton.

[swaisuc]

VERY similar players. I'd probably swap all things being equal, but they're not. Stubbs is under team control and arbitration shouldn't be too bad for him. I'll pass for contract/money reasons.

[Kcbuckeye22]

Yep. Cozart, Stubbs, Votto, Bruce, Hanigan/Mes, Frazier should be the top of the lineup every game. That would be an RBI machine. I feel that whoever is in front of Votto is going to do well no matter what...Stubbs is inconsistent, but can hit fastballs so he belongs there. He's a weapon on the bases and should be put in the best position to get on.

And no, I wouldn't trade him for BJ Upton.

I agree, but Dusty doesn't want Votto and Bruce back to back. I'd love to see it.

[miamiredskin]

I would trade Stubbs for any player off of any other team. Or any player in any other team's minor league system. Or any draft pick.

As harsh as that may seem, I am NOT a hater. He seems like a nice guy, and runs like the wind. And I know he is trying to get better at various things. But I just don't see him as a winner. And the object of the game, to me, is to win.

Give me guys like Hannigan, Phillips, Cozart, and Votto who know how to compete.

Stubbs may well become a good ballplayer. But I have serious doubts.
Now if we played all our games against the Cubbies...

[smixsell]

I would trade Stubbs for any player off of any other team. Or any player in any other team's minor league system. Or any draft pick.

As harsh as that may seem, I am NOT a hater. He seems like a nice guy, and runs like the wind. And I know he is trying to get better at various things. But I just don't see him as a winner. And the object of the game, to me, is to win.

Give me guys like Hannigan, Phillips, Cozart, and Votto who know how to compete.

Stubbs may well become a good ballplayer. But I have serious doubts.
Now if we played all our games against the Cubbies...

Completely inconsistent statements.

[justincredible]

I would trade Stubbs for any player off of any other team. Or any player in any other team's minor league system. Or any draft pick.

As harsh as that may seem, I am NOT a hater. He seems like a nice guy, and runs like the wind. And I know he is trying to get better at various things. But I just don't see him as a winner. And the object of the game, to me, is to win.

Give me guys like Hannigan, Phillips, Cozart, and Votto who know how to compete.

Stubbs may well become a good ballplayer. But I have serious doubts.
Now if we played all our games against the Cubbies...

You sure about that?

[ShaySongz]

Stubbs will never hit .280!! right now he's hitting well in front of Votto..but if Votto was to go down due to any injury this two spots in the lineup will be easy outs. Right now everyone wants Stubbs because Reds winning and he's playing well RIGHT NOW!!! in about two weeks when he struggles again and it will happen you will trade Stubbs for anyone that can walk and chew bubble gum. you can get .275 20 and 80 RBIs from Upton. Stubbs can't see those number in his sleep. Right now the price for Upton is low because he's a free agent..but do you really care if your "ALL IN" this season??! He would probably get a draft pick if the Reds lose him in free agency.

[New York Red]

you can get .275 20 and 80 RBIs from Upton.
Upton has accomplished that trifecta one time in his career.

[nmculbreth]

you can get .275 20 and 80 RBIs from Upton.

History suggests otherwise. Here are Upton's stat lines from the past three full seasons:

2009: .241/.313/.373/.686
2010: .237/.322/.424/.745
2011: .243/.331/.429/.759

For fun, let's compare that to Stubbs

2010: .255/.329/.444/.773
2011: .243/.321/.364/.686

Why exactly would the Reds trade Stubbs for a player with the exact same skillset who is only under team control through 2012 and costs $6.5mil more?

[R_Webb18]

History suggests otherwise. Here are Upton's stat lines from the past three full seasons:

2009: .241/.313/.373/.686
2010: .237/.322/.424/.745
2011: .243/.331/.429/.759

For fun, let's compare that to Stubbs

2010: .255/.329/.444/.773
2011: .243/.321/.364/.686

Why exactly would the Reds trade Stubbs for a player with the exact same skillset who is only under team control through 2012 and costs $6.5mil more?

i wouldn't. its crazy how you can put player a/b next to each other and want it when there close to same thing but cost 6.5m more and people really want that?

[ShaySongz]

The Rbi and homeruns not the same..stolen bases not even close.stubbs got 40 only once, Upton did it over three times in a row!

[ShaySongz]

Al east..NL central is not the same pitching also..stats the same but yankees and Astros not!!

[ShaySongz]

Stubbs never had any significant injuries either..where's the stolen bases??! I call it speed wasted

[ShaySongz]

Is it impossible to think, every time Votto comes to bat there should be someone standing on second? With the speed this guy has?!

[DirtyBaker]

If the Reds wanted to get BJ Upton, they could just pay Stubbs 8 times as much as he's making now, have him change his name, and give him plastic surgery.

[R_Webb18]

just looked it up he was better last year but if drew stubbs can do what he did in 2010 there about even

[ShaySongz]

If the Reds wanted to get BJ Upton, they could just pay Stubbs 8 times as much as he's making now, have him change his name, and give him plastic surgery.

Is this guy serious?! Stubbs equaled this man in one season 2010..

[DirtyBaker]

Is this guy serious?! Stubbs equaled this man in one season 2010..

If you're essentially paying $6.5M for 40 less strikeouts, .020 better OBP, the same average, same power, and maybe 5 more stolen bases. If you think that's a major upgrade that's worth the price, I have some mint condition Beanie Babies to sell you.

There's only two and a half seasons to judge Stubbs on anyway. 2010 was half of his career practically.

[ShaySongz]

Stubbs plays 80 games in a small park. Everyone knows there is better pitching in american league, why you think pujols struggling? Fielder would have ten homeruns about now in national league

[ShaySongz]

Dude the contract is in last year, so it would be down. You dont buy stock when it's high..you buy when it's low..he won't get that money in his next contract

[ShaySongz]

Berkman looked like dead man walking in yankees uniform, put a cardinals uniform on ALL STAR

[R_Webb18]

Berkman looked like dead man walking in yankees uniform, put a cardinals uniform on ALL STAR

you do realize he was terrible all year that year?


he got new life going to cardinals b/c he thought he could win. yea im sure he did with yankees but that was mid season less ready.

[DirtyBaker]

If you're saying Reds need to get some talent from the AL on this club, I'm all for that.

That's just a huge gamble when there's not a lot of wiggle room as it is to suppose Upton will continue that trend of dominating the NL Central coming from the AL East. If it was <$2M maybe, but I'd rather save that kind of cash for Youklis or a cleanup hitter type of player.

[ShaySongz]

Youklis I think is best suited to be a role player now in his career..Rolen in my eyes was a risk, with his age and injury history. His bat is not that good anymore plus he's slow. Youklis would only be a player to sell tickets..we dont need that, we want winners. I would love to have a homegrown player here, but how is a player that's regressing in his career going to help us? I like Upton because he's everything Between the ears I want stubbs to be..the intangibles that dont show on the baseball card..that competes, steal bases hit the ball the other way to advance the runner. Just this off season people was complaining about why stubbs doesn't bunt more. It seems like to me that Drew doesn't play 100% every game. Maybe 75..tired of seeing ball hit in the gap between drew, and jay track it down one time please! With your speed .One of the players took second base on a lazy toss to second base from stubbs..can't name the player from milwaukee it was the game they lost just recently though if you can call it. Homer was on mound

[texasdave]

you do realize he was terrible all year that year?


he got new life going to cardinals b/c he thought he could win. yea im sure he did with yankees but that was mid season less ready.

I think the biggest factor in Berkman's sub-par 2010 season, was the fact that he had knee surgery before the season started and never looked quite right all year.

Fat Elvis can hit.

[cincyredway]

How about an arroyo for Beckett trade

[miamiredskin]

Completely inconsistent statements.



I can't say Stubbs won't become a good player, eventually, but I can say I don't like his chances. How is that inconsistent?

[miamiredskin]

You sure about that?




Yes. I don't believe not wanting a guy to start for the team you root for means you hate him. I wish him well and if he proves me wrong I will be happy for him and myself. But I have the feeling he's more of an athlete than ballplayer.

I think we would be better served to see what someone else could do in centerfield over the next few years, than wait on Drew to cut down on strikeouts and mistakes and get on base more often. We'll see.