5/12/12 -- Nationals at Reds

[KittyDuran]

At the game and don't have access to the full line-ups... Just getting the thread started.

Votto bobblehead night and should be a sell-out.

[KittyDuran]

Old news by now: Frazier @ 3rd tonight.

[KittyDuran]

Here's Joey! (& some guy in a bear suit)60996100

[KittyDuran]

OK... How's this?
61026103

[alexad]

Here and got mine. Frazier getting a chance.

[redsmetz]

Line up yet?

[KittyDuran]

Line up yet?

Not copied.. But I took pics here at the park. Post #4

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cincy

Cozart 6
Stubbs 8
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Bruce 9
Frazier 5
Ludwick 7
Hanigan 2
Latos 1

Nats

Desmond 6
Bernadina 7
RZimmerman 5
LaRoche 3
Harper 9
Espinosa 4
Ankiel 8
Ramos 2
JZimmermann 1

For the life of me, I can't figure out why LaRoche is hitting cleanup for this team. It's just as odd as Phillips for us.

[oneupper]

Jordan Zimmerman is like 20 days younger than Homer Bailey.

[_Sir_Charles_]

LOL. Nevermind. For some reason I was thinking that was ANDY LaRoche. Oopsie.

[_Sir_Charles_]

OK... How's this?


The lineup should be posted like that EVERYDAY! :O) Nice.

[Roy Tucker]

Sunny George on TV. Thought it was 1995.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice! DP ball and both guys are safe!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cozy lead off single, Stubbs & Cozart safe on FC, Votto grounds out but both runners advance.

[Roy Tucker]

So both guys were safe and it was a scored a fielders choice. No hit. Funny scoring.

[_Sir_Charles_]

So both guys were safe and it was a scored a fielders choice. No hit. Funny scoring.

Yeah, I don't buy that. Stubbs might've beat it out if they went straight to first.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Phillips with a tapper to short. 1-0 Reds Drew to 3rd.

[Roy Tucker]

Bruce is just a more consistent hitter nowadays.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Called out on a questionable breaking ball down and away.

[Kc61]

Bruce is just a more consistent hitter nowadays.

Not that inning, LOL.

[Kc61]

Web gem for Cozart.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Web gem for Cozart.

Looking forward to it. Darn MLB.TV

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice. That WAS a pretty play.

[Kc61]

Nice. That WAS a pretty play.

Kid can play.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Kid can play.

Yep. I was skeptical of his D because the few times I got to see him in AAA he was average. Glad I saw his POOR games. :O)

[Roy Tucker]

Hum. Harper hit one out of GABP in BP.

[_Sir_Charles_]

There's another guy I'd heard less than glowing reports on regarding his defense. Ludwick. He's looked VERY solid out there.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hum. Harper hit one out of GABP in BP.

Stitches soaked in juice? :O) I kid.

[Degenerate39]

I can get use to this Latos

[PuffyPig]

So both guys were safe and it was a scored a fielders choice. No hit. Funny scoring.

Stubbs barely beat the throw. If the SS had thrown directly to first, he would have been out.

[Kc61]

There's another guy I'd heard less than glowing reports on regarding his defense. Ludwick. He's looked VERY solid out there.

Ludwick has fielded well, the outfield generally fields well, really the whole team is very good defensively.

But Ludwick has to hit. Reds really need production out of LF. His early slump has been really unfortunate, hopefully he'll start turning it around very soon.

Tonight would be a good start.

[Kc61]

Frazier Ks.

Ludwick smashes to third, Zim can't handle, base hit.

[Kc61]

Fly out, pitcher strikes out, nothing for the Reds in the second.

[nate]

Chat is open!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Zack strikes out. 1 down.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Stubbs taps back to the pitcher. 2 down.

[PuffyPig]

Cards down 3-0 already in the third. Waino has already thrown 64 pitches with one out in the third, 2 ruuners on base.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Joey's good. He takes 2 hacks like he's trying to hit it to Kentucky, then shortens his swing and goes the other way. Infield single.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Phillips K's and strands Votto at 1st.

1-0 Reds after 3 full.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cards down 3-0 already in the third. Waino has already thrown 64 pitches with one out in the third, 2 ruuners on base.

Make that 3. Walks the bases loaded. But strikes out the pitcher to get out of it. 75 pitches after 3.

[nate]

Nice playtos on the bunt.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Close play at first. Bernadina taps one that Latos gets and he beats him to first and tags him.

[PuffyPig]

Make that 3. Walks the bases loaded. But strikes out the pitcher to get out of it. 75 pitches after 3.

After his TJ surgery his command hasn't come back like it eventually will.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks for the pbp.

[PuffyPig]

Nice playtos on the bunt.

How long were you waiting to use that one.....:D

[_Sir_Charles_]

Zimmerman walks. 1 down for LaRoache

[_Sir_Charles_]

Close play at 2nd. Flair to left and Zimmerman makes a HUGE turn. Nearly nailed him diving back to 2nd.

1st & 2nd now. Still 1 down.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Harper flies out to Stubbs. 2 down, everybody holds.

[nate]

How long were you waiting to use that one.....:D

I know it's hard to believe, but I made it up.

ON THE SPOT!

:cool:

[Kc61]

Latos with a full count to Espinosa, and walks him.

Was 0-2.

Ankiel, bags full.

[_Sir_Charles_]

71 pitches for Latos now.

[Kc61]

Ankiel 2-2 count. Bases loaded, two outs.

Big batter because Reds don't look like they will score too many against tough Nats pitcher.


Fanned him.

[_Sir_Charles_]

You might as well take the PBP Kc...you're like 4 or 5 pitches ahead of my feed.

[redsmetz]

BTW, Ankiel struck out.

[Kc61]

You might as well take the PBP Kc...you're like 4 or 5 pitches ahead of my feed.

I can't, I'm half watching the hockey game.

I'll fill in every once in awhile. Sorry.

[Kc61]

Latos did a beautiful job pitching to Ankiel there. Got ahead, pitched him up, then struck him out on a pitch down.

[Kc61]

Bruce lines out.

[Kc61]

Frazier fans again. He is overmatched.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I can't, I'm half watching the hockey game.

I'll fill in every once in awhile. Sorry.

no problem. I can do it, just forgive the delay. :O)

Bruce lined out, Ankiel nearly over-ran it.
Frazier K's for the second time.

[Kc61]

no problem. I can do it, just forgive the delay. :O)

Bruce lined out, Ankiel nearly over-ran it.
Frazier K's for the second time.

Bring home a win, Sir Charles.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ludwick K's.

[_Sir_Charles_]

1-0 Reds after 4.

Central Update:
Brewers 8 Cubs 2 Final
Braves 3 Cards 0 4th inning
Pirates 2 Astros 1 5th inning

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dinger for Ramos. 1-1 ballgame

[_Sir_Charles_]

Heck of an effort from Stubbs. He had a good shot at that one. Missed it by THAT much.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ugh. Walk to the pitcher.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Desmond with a shot off the wall. 2 bagger. 2nd & 3rd, no outs. Not good.

[Tony Cloninger]

Is Walt back from STL so he can continue to see how well put together this team is?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wow. Big mental error. Lineout to Stubbs, he throws to third and they held the runner.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Zimmerman broke for home instead of tagging. Then it was too late. Whew.

[_Sir_Charles_]

latos at 100. Last 2 innings, LOTS of pitches.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wow, what a break. Bruce air-mails the throw to the plate and they held Zimmerman AGAIN! (2 down now after the liner to Bruce)

[_Sir_Charles_]

IBB to LaRoache to load the bases. 2 down, bases jacked for Harper

[Tony Cloninger]

Is he wild or just not getting pitches?

[_Sir_Charles_]

He's missing SOME spots, but the zone is pretty erratic too.

[_Sir_Charles_]

0-2 to Harper

[_Sir_Charles_]

Oooooh. that was close.

[kaldaniels]

Hope Harper doesn't hurt himself again after that.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ball hit up the middle, Phillips goes behind the back to Cozart to end the inning. LOVE IT!

[mth123]

When we talk about luck being a part of ERA and you are having your doubts, remember this game. Latos walking the balpark, gives up a dinger to the 8 hitter and lets the judy lead-off guy take him off the wall. Pretty much doing everything that DIPS theory would make him have a high FIP. Those two fly balls should have been two runs. The first one should have plated the runner on third and the second would have plated the runner on second after he advanced on the first one. Then a great play by Phillips saves the runs for good. LUCK.

Now get somebody up in the pen.

[WrongVerb]

Latos owes Phillips a nice dinner after that play.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Latos owes Phillips a nice dinner after that play.

Actually, I think he owes Zimmerman a dinner after those 2 bone head plays. :lol:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hanigan leads off with a single.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Latos K's as he can't get down the sac.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cozart juuuust got under that one. Flyout to left. 2 down.

[WrongVerb]

When we talk about luck being a part of ERA and you are having your doubts, remember this game. Latos walking the balpark, gives up a dinger to the 8 hitter and lets the judy lead-off guy take him off the wall. Pretty much doing everything that DIPS theory would make him have a high FIP. Those two fly balls should have been two runs. The first one should have plated the runner on third and the second would have plated the runner on second after he advanced on the first one. Then a great play by Phillips saves the runs for good. LUCK.

Now get somebody up in the pen.

I'm not a huge stat-head, but luck evens out in the long run. It's what you do with the luck that makes the difference. Latos shuts it down for 2 more innings, and he's taken advantage of the good luck afforded him.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Tapper to LaRoache....he BARELY beats Stubbs to the bag. Bang-bang. 1-1 it stays after 5 full.

[mth123]

I'm not a huge stat-head, but luck evens out in the long run. It's what you do with the luck that makes the difference. Latos shuts it down for 2 more innings, and he's taken advantage of the good luck afforded him.

I can't imagine he'll be around for two more innings. They should have hit for him.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Arredondo in.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Espinosa dinger. Well, that was quick.

[WrongVerb]

I can't imagine he'll be around for two more innings. They should have hit for him.

Yep

[mth123]

He killed that one.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yep

Well, Dusty wanted to sac bunt. Do you have to waste a pinchhitter to bunt?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ankiel K's

[mth123]

Well, Dusty wanted to sac bunt. Do you have to waste a pinchhitter to bunt?

Just send up a hitter to hit and forget about the friggin bunt.

[_Sir_Charles_]

JUst send up a hitter to hit and forget about the friggin bunt.

I agree. But like I said, he wanted the sac bunt. If that's the decision you're going to go with...do you still burn a PH'er?

[WrongVerb]

Nats broadcaster: He hit the Paducah out of that one, that's for sure.

[mth123]

I agree. But like I said, he wanted the sac bunt. If that's the decision you're going to go with...do you still burn a PH'er?

No.

[Tony Cloninger]

Latos need to give this team close to 7 and he should be out of the game really by 5. This guy has to be better than this. He came in with very good numbers against Washington for his career.

[_Sir_Charles_]

K to end the inning (3 straight). Arredondo actually looked good that inning. The HR pitch was a pretty good pitch too IMO. Unfortunately just a good big swing.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Latos need to give this team close to 7 and he should be out of the game really by 5. This guy has to be better than this. He came in with very good numbers against Washington for his career.

He was out of the game after 5. And he allowed 1 run. (That was Arredondo in the 6th)

[mth123]

He was out of the game after 5. And he allowed 1 run. (That was Arredondo in the 6th)

Shoulda been at least 2 more though. Too many walks. I think this was a bad outing for Latos today.

[Tony Cloninger]

He was out of the game after 5. And he allowed 1 run. (That was Arredondo in the 6th)

I was writing that before I knew he was out. I am not watching the game.

You are going to tell me Latos pitched well enough just beacuse he only gave up 1 run in 5 innings?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Lead off walk for Votto.

As for Latos, he had 2 tough innings with high pitch counts. But overall, he did fine. His control clearly wasn't as good as it should've been, but that wasn't a bad game IMO.

[mth123]

Lead off walk for Votto.

As for Latos, he had 2 tough innings with high pitch counts. But overall, he did fine. His control clearly wasn't as good as it should've been, but that wasn't a bad game IMO.

Are you really watching? He wasn't good IMO.

[kaldaniels]

Maybe I'm naive, but I take 5ip 1r from my starter and am happy with it. Now you can't do it every night, but it gives you a great shot for the win.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I was writing that before I knew he was out. I am not watching the game.

You are going to tell me Latos pitched well enough just beacuse he only gave up 1 run in 5 innings?

No, I'm saying that for someone who didn't have their good stuff, he managed to limit the damage to 1 run. The nats made some mistakes and he took advantage of them. Hardly what i'd call a bad start.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Line drive to short from Phillips and Votto gets doubled up off of first. Brain fart from Joey.

[Kc61]

Maybe I'm naive, but I take 5ip 1r from my starter and am happy with it. Now you can't do it every night, but it gives you a great shot for the win.

Funny, all the debate about a one-run performance.

Want something to debate? How about the Reds offense.

[WVRedsFan]

Luck and GG are driving me nuts.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bruce flies out to left center. 2-1 Nats.

[mth123]

Funny, all the debate about a one-run performance.

Want something to debate? How about the Reds offense.

No debate there. Zimmerman is a RHP and the Reds are overmatched.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Are you really watching? He wasn't good IMO.

No, he wasn't "Good". I'm saying he wasn't "Bad". He didn't have his good stuff, but he managed to control the opposition regardless. He battled through it and took advantage of their mistakes. Hardly an outing to really complain about IMO.

[Kc61]

No debate there. Zimmerman is a RHP and the Reds are overmatched.

I'd like to see the stats on how many times this year the Reds have produced three hits in an inning; four hits in an inning; four baserunners in an inning; five baserunners in an inning.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Logan on the bump

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cards down 5-0 now in the 6th

[_Sir_Charles_]

High chopper back to the pitcher and he jumps to about 9 foot 3 to snag it. 1 down.

[Tony Cloninger]

Funny, all the debate about a one-run performance.

Want something to debate? How about the Reds offense.

Well we already know that stinks besides Votto and Bruce....and sometimes Cozart and even barely sometimes Stubbs.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Uh-oh. Grounder back to the pitcher and Logan tries to bare-hand it. I hope he isn't hurt.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I think he's fine. Not a good move though. It ended up as an IF single btw.

[_Sir_Charles_]

YESSIRREE! 4-6-3!

[mth123]

Nice.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm sorry, but right now, I'd have to say that Ondrusek is the surprise player of the year for the Redlegs. He's been spotless.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Frazier with a broken bat flair for a single. He'll take that. Zimmerman had been eating Todd alive.

[mth123]

Don't bunt.

[757690]

Pretty much a meh start from Latos. He wasn't good, but he wasn't bad. Definitley lucky.

[_Sir_Charles_]

passed ball and Ramos is hurt trying to turn to throw. Frazier to 2nd.

[Playadlc]

Don't bunt.

Why?

[mth123]

Nats are snakebit.

[mth123]

Why?

Bunts to make an out are just one step up from being picked off or caught stealing IMO. Unless its a pitcher who you don't want to take out of the game, no reason to bunt IMO.

[redsfaninbsg]

Ludwick has to hit the ball to the right side here.

[WVRedsFan]

Bunts to make an out are just one step up from being picked off or caught stealing IMO. Unless its a pitcher who you don't want to take out of the game, no reason to bunt IMO.Agreed

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ramos being helped off the field. Flores is replacing him.

[redsfaninbsg]

Pathetic

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ludwick k's

[WVRedsFan]

Was that a strike?

[_Sir_Charles_]

1 down for Manigan.

And no, it wasn't a strike. It WAS a strikeOUT though.

[redsfaninbsg]

No it wasn't a strike

[WVRedsFan]

Didn't think so.

[Playadlc]

Bunts to make an out are just one step up from being picked off or caught stealing IMO. Unless its a pitcher who you don't want to take out of the game, no reason to bunt IMO.

Agree with almost all of it. Late in the game with Ludwick though, I bunt. He just isn't hitting.

[mth123]

Agree with almost all of it. Late in the game with Ludwick though, I bunt. He just isn't hitting.

Then pinch hit. Don't bunt.

[WVRedsFan]

Cairo to pinch hit

[HokieRed]

Pretty much a meh start from Latos. He wasn't good, but he wasn't bad. Definitley lucky.

Wonder what Bailey could do if he started thinking of himself as only having to go 5? Latos is beginning to look like a bullpen killer.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hanny grounds out. Frazier to third.

Cairo ph'ing

[_Sir_Charles_]

103 pitches for Zimmerman.

[WVRedsFan]

Impatient.

[Playadlc]

Good 1-0 swing there, Miguel.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Miggy grounds out to 2nd.

3 innings in a row where we get the leadoff runner on....nothing to show for it. Ugh!

[oneupper]

Do we need to start a "What to do about Ludwick" thread?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Do we need to start a "What to do about Ludwick" thread?

He IS 1 for 3 today. Baby steps.

[kaldaniels]

Let's just enjoy Chapman for 3 batters.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Missile warning.

[Kc61]

Do we need to start a "What to do about Ludwick" thread?

Don't want to pick on Ludwick, but that at bat was very costly.

Man on second, no out, Hanigan a contact man up next, must get the runner to third.

[_Sir_Charles_]

LOL. That looked like it hurt. Fouled right back to the ump's mask. Ouch.

[kaldaniels]

Don't want to pick on Ludwick, but that at bat was very costly.

Man on second, no out, Hanigan a contact man up next, must get the runner to third.

You are correct.

[kaldaniels]

Get out of the way Aroldis!

[_Sir_Charles_]

LOL. No kidding. IF pop up. 1 down.

[kaldaniels]

Matchup of the phenoms.

[_Sir_Charles_]

NASTY. 100. K.

[kaldaniels]

Haha Washington our phenom struck out your phenom. :D

[HokieRed]

Don't want to pick on Ludwick, but that at bat was very costly.

Man on second, no out, Hanigan a contact man up next, must get the runner to third.

Agree. Very bad AB. Key one of the game.

[_Sir_Charles_]

That was in the dirt in FRONT of the plate, and he's swinging. hehehe.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Jeez. 106 mph to first!

[kaldaniels]

That scared me.

[PickOff]

I don't know if anyone else is watching, and listening to, the Nats broadcast. Goodness, what torture. This must be what it feels like to be a Cubs fan and listen to Marty broadcast a Cubs game. Uggh.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Espinosa swipes 2nd and 3rd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

3-0 to Ankiel.

[WVRedsFan]

Enjoying Chapman is tough tonight

[kaldaniels]

Enjoying Chapman is tough tonight

Nah!

[_Sir_Charles_]

High heat. It was ball 4 too. Thank you Ankiel.

[PickOff]

Gotta love Chapmans quick pace. He doesn't give the hitters much time to compose themselves between 100mph heaters. Ankiel shouldn't have swung at either of those last two pitches.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Central update:

5-2 Pirates over Houston 8th inning
6-2 Bravos over Cards 8th inning
8-2 Brew Crew beat the Cubs

[WVRedsFan]

What an inning. Goose egg, though.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Clippard in for the nats.

Top of the order.

[Vottomatic]

Game over. Our offense is pathetic as usual.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cozart pops out to center. 1 down.

[kaldaniels]

What an inning. Goose egg, though.

Wasn't pretty but I'll take 2 strikeouts and 2 balls that don't make it past the pitchers mound.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Game over. Our offense is pathetic as usual.

Really? We're facing the best pitching staff in the NL and we've won like 6 series in a row. Okie-dokie.

[kaldaniels]

So is everyone aware of the other story tonight, Rolen to the DL? GG doesn't think so.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nasty. Stubbs K's.

[WVRedsFan]

We know his story, George...

[_Sir_Charles_]

BB to Votto

[kaldaniels]

Time for BP to come up BIG.

[mth123]

I hate that this isn't Bruce up here.

[WVRedsFan]

Davey Johnson looks very unhealthy. Heard him talk last night and I would have sworn he was sick.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I hate that this isn't Bruce up here.

I hate that this isn't Votto up here again. :p

[Vottomatic]

I hate that this isn't Bruce up here.

Bingo!

[kaldaniels]

I really hope someone will be King of the Queen City tonight.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Little chin music there.

[WVRedsFan]

No punch by these hitters. Game over.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Line drive right at Harper. 3 down. 2-1 Nats it remains heading to the 9th.

[Vottomatic]

Same 'ole Reds.

[_Sir_Charles_]

LOL. I know it's frustrating, but good lord. You guys do know that we're facing the #1 pitching staff in the majors here....right?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Chapman inning #2.

[Vottomatic]

LOL. I know it's frustrating, but good lord. You guys do know that we're facing the #1 pitching staff in the majors here....right?

Yep.

More reason to leave and go see a movie. It's over.

[Brutus]

Yep.

More reason to leave and go see a movie. It's over.

Then why haven't you left yet?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yep.

More reason to leave and go see a movie. It's over.

Bye.

I'll stay and watch since I know that anything can happen in this beautiful game. Plus I get to watch another inning of Aroldis.

[kaldaniels]

Then why haven't you left yet?

Thanks for saying it so I wouldnt have to.

[Vottomatic]

Movie starts at 10:40. I can stick around and thrill you some more with my psychic abilities.

[_Sir_Charles_]

You know, he could throw in the 70's and I'd still enjoy watching him. His windup is just so compact and easy. I love watching his mechanics.

[kaldaniels]

Movie starts at 10:40. I can stick around and thrill you some more with my psychic abilities.

Can we get a Vottomatic movie review tomorrow?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Rodriguez warming.

[Vottomatic]

You know, he could throw in the 70's and I'd still enjoy watching him. His windup is just so compact and easy. I love watching his mechanics.

Silver lining in this pathetic loss, Chapman's delivery?

Sigh.

[Patrick Bateman]

Yep.

More reason to leave and go see a movie. It's over.

How does everyone not see stuff like this as trolling, especially when consistent from the same poster?

The rest of us are interested in continuing to watch and enjoy the company on the game thread. If you don't see the value in the remainder of the game, can you please not ruin it for the rest of us?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Silver lining in this pathetic loss, Chapman's delivery?

Sigh.

No, that comment had nothing to do with the game specifically. Just a general comment about my enjoyment in watching him throw. It's not about the velocity for me.

[Vottomatic]

How does everyone not see stuff like this as trolling, especially when consistent from the same poster?

The rest of us are interested in continuing to watch and enjoy the company on the game thread. If you don't see the value in the remainder of the game, can you please not ruin it for the rest of us?

Sorry. Didn't realize I had to be positive 100% of the time.

[Patrick Bateman]

Bye.

I'll stay and watch since I know that anything can happen in this beautiful game. Plus I get to watch another inning of Aroldis.

Didn't you get the memo? We are down by 1. Game over. It's a pathetic loss. No other team loses 1 run games.

[_Sir_Charles_]

2 inning of 0's from Chappy. 4 k's.

[Patrick Bateman]

Sorry. Didn't realize I had to be positive 100% of the time.

Who said positive?

Declaring a 1 run game over isn't just negative, it's just completely false and annoying. If you really believed your posts, you wouldn't be in this thread anymore.

[kaldaniels]

Maybe I'm cranky but I just jumped in the pool called "Edit your ignore list". Come on in everyone, the water is great!

/nothing permanent I just need a break

[_Sir_Charles_]

Henry Rodriguez on the bump. He's been nasty too this year.

[Vottomatic]

Didn't you get the memo? We are down by 1. Game over. It's a pathetic loss. No other team loses 1 run games.

Just not sold on this team. Walt & Bob continue to ignore the obvious year after year. 2010 was an anomaly. This team won't see the playoffs until they get a true cleanup hitter/LFer. And now 3B is a joke. Stubbs is a joke.

They need to have the guts to tweak this team. But Bob is probably wanting to stand pat like he wanted to do in 2011.

This team will be .500 all season unless they get some guts to tweak it.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nasty stuff. Bruce K's.

[_Sir_Charles_]

100 from Henry. Some flamethrowers on the bump tonight.

[Vottomatic]

Atleast the Cardinals lost to the Braves 7-2.

[Kc61]

Just not sold on this team. Walt & Bob continue to ignore the obvious year after year. 2010 was an anomaly. This team won't see the playoffs until they get a true cleanup hitter/LFer. And now 3B is a joke. Stubbs is a joke.

They need to have the guts to tweak this team. But Bob is probably wanting to stand pat like he wanted to do in 2011.

This team will be .500 all season unless they get some guts to tweak it.

Don't knock Walt and Bob, they have really improved the pitching, Rome wasn't built in a day.

The offense is poorly constructed, they will fix it, but maybe not immediately. It's the next frontier.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Goodness. Just froze Frazier on that 84 mph changeup. Wowsers.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ballgame. Checked swing called a strikeout.

[Kc61]

Riddle. What's mostly right handed and can't get on base?

[PickOff]

Ballgame. Checked swing called a strikeout.

Terrible call, not that it probably would have mattered, but I don't think I've seen a worse check swing strike called.

[The Operator]

Wow, that's crappy to end a game on such a close check swing like that. Not that it would have mattered, though. I doubt they could have hit that guy if he was throwing from second base.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Terrible call, not that it probably would have mattered, but I don't think I've seen a worse check swing strike called.

Agreed. Ludwick was clearly overmatched though. As good as Aroldis is...Rodriguez is right up in that territory too. He's TOUGH.

[CrackerJack]

Ludwick's bat was well behind those FB's, not a chance.

[_Sir_Charles_]

As for the complaining earlier, I just find it amusing that we're considering the game virtually over with a 1 run deficit and Bruce leading off the inning. I know he K'd, but if there was anybody on the club who could've tied it up in a heartbeat, it was Bruce. No way in the world I'd consider the game over with him due up. Alas, the better pitching won the game. As it usually does. Get 'em next time.

[Brutus]

Riddle. What's mostly right handed and can't get on base?

How many thousands of times are you gonna bring this up? We get it... you don't think they can hit righties.

[WVRedsFan]

As for the complaining earlier, I just find it amusing that we're considering the game virtually over with a 1 run deficit and Bruce leading off the inning. I know he K'd, but if there was anybody on the club who could've tied it up in a heartbeat, it was Bruce. No way in the world I'd consider the game over with him due up. Alas, the better pitching won the game. As it usually does. Get 'em next time.Not anymore, Sir Charles. Everybody has learned that if you pitch around Votto, you can beat the Reds by scoring 4 runs or less. Until the Reds get a real bat behind Votto, this is what we have.

[kaldaniels]

Not anymore, Sir Charles. Everybody has learned that if you pitch around Votto, you can beat the Reds by scoring 4 runs or less. Until the Reds get a real bat behind Votto, this is what we have.

I'm hoping Frazier (who didn't look so hot tonight, but 1-4 is an improvement from what we've had) will give the lineup enough of a marginal upgrade that your hypothesis changes a bit.

[WVRedsFan]

I'm hoping Frazier (who didn't look so hot tonight, but 1-4 is an improvement from what we've had) will give the lineup enough of a marginal upgrade that your hypothesis changes a bit.

Me too. This team (the Nats) has a wonderful pitching staff, but they are getting production from the bottom of the order and our guys allowed 2 runs in 9 innings, which is great. The problem is obvious and I think the only solution is to bring in a banger who can hit to boost this club. A trade? I hope because the "kids" haven't been the answer so far.

[Tom Servo]

We're bad again. Feels bad, man.

[jojo]

Not anymore, Sir Charles. Everybody has learned that if you pitch around Votto, you can beat the Reds by scoring 4 runs or less. Until the Reds get a real bat behind Votto, this is what we have.

I would pitch around Votto to make Phillips face a righty every time. The difference in likely outcome is striking.

Against righties, Votto has a career wOBA of .414 while Phillips had a wOBA of .315. Thats a difference of 52 runs or 5 WAR over 600 PAs..... Against righties, Phillips is really miscast at the cleanup bat that splits the lefties.

[kaldaniels]

I would pitch around Votto to make Phillips face a righty every time. The difference in likely outcome is striking.

Against righties, Votto has a career wOBA of .414 while Phillips had a wOBA of .315. Thats a difference of 52 runs or 5 WAR over 600 PAs..... Against righties, Phillips is really miscast at the cleanup bat that splits the lefties.

That is correct what you have written but (and I don't know)....

What would the effect of Votto standing on first base EVERY time Phillips batted do to those net 52 runs?

[757690]

Not anymore, Sir Charles. Everybody has learned that if you pitch around Votto, you can beat the Reds by scoring 4 runs or less. Until the Reds get a real bat behind Votto, this is what we have.

Reds are 13-9 in games in which they hold the opponent to 4 runs or less so far this season.

Reds are scoring .17 runs a game below league average. 12 games against the leagues two best pitching staffs.

Yeah, they could use another bat, but it's not as bad as it seems.

[757690]

I would pitch around Votto to make Phillips face a righty every time. The difference in likely outcome is striking.

Against righties, Votto has a career wOBA of .414 while Phillips had a wOBA of .315. Thats a difference of 52 runs or 5 WAR over 600 PAs..... Against righties, Phillips is really miscast at the cleanup bat that splits the lefties.

Even with less this two outs? That means that Bruce will likely bat with another runner on base. With two outs, definitely, though.

[jojo]

Even with less this two outs? That means that Bruce will likely bat with another runner on base. With two outs, definitely, though.

Then you bring in a lefty.

[jojo]

That is correct what you have written but (and I don't know)....

What would the effect of Votto standing on first base EVERY time Phillips batted do to those net 52 runs?

Good question. It depends upon the number of outs etc. ill think about putting a number to it.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Reds are 13-9 in games in which they hold the opponent to 4 runs or less so far this season.

Reds are scoring .17 runs a game below league average. 12 games against the leagues two best pitching staffs.

Yeah, they could use another bat, but it's not as bad as it seems.

This. We're doing this with a LOT of our hitters scuffling right now.

My point was I thought it was silly to "give up" on that game last night when it was only a 1 run difference and Bruce was due up.