6/3/12 - Reds at Houston

[elfmanvt07]

Reds lineup per Fay:

Cozart SS
Stubbs CF
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Heisey LF
Cairo 3B
Hanigan C
Arroyo P

[cbowen2112]

Wow, Cairo? Really?! Frazier hits bombs, Cairo hits nothing. Prove me wrong Grandpa Miguel!

[_Sir_Charles_]

You don't have to hit "bombs" in Houston. Mild pop ups leave that park. I've never understood that whole thing about GABP being such a hitters paradise...Minute Maid and that short porch is just such a joke.

I will admit that it's a beautiful ballpark and a great place to watch a game, but there are 3 things that just bug the hell out of me there. The Crawford boxes that are WAAAAAY too close/short, Tal's hill that's just an injury waiting to happen, and the flag pole in centerfield that's in play. Sure, they're "unique"...but not in a good way.

Let's take it to 'em fellas! Get out the BROOMS!!! :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

I would've liked to have seen Devin get the start. Not only should he catch Bronson occasionally, but he was hitting absolute rocket shots over the walls (left AND right) in bp yesteday. Probably the most impressive of the Reds in bp.

[OldXOhio]

If today is a repeat of last night, Bronson's going to need every edge possible. I'd like to see Mes in the lineup too, but now is not the time to get him chances at catching Arroyo. Make haste while the rest of the division is struggling.

[CySeymour]

It's my birthday. Get me a win, Reds!

[Superdude]

Reds Fantasy Camp highlights! YEA!

[Blitz Dorsey]

No question Frazier needs a day off. He's getting up there in age at 26, and he probably got worn out running around the bases after jacking that HR yesterday. Cairo is definitely the smart start today.

[sarcasm off]

[WVRedsFan]

I'll go on record as never (well, hardly ever) understanding Dusty's lineup moves. He quotes lots of statistics, but I think he does it by the seat of his pants--how he feels that day--a hunch, so to speak. His love of veterans like Cairo and others means they will start at the expense of a better player. Maybe he'll retire? Nah, just kidding.

[Reds Fanatic]

Astros lineup:

Schafer CF
Altuve 2B
F. Martinez RF
J. Martinez LF
Johnson 3B
Wallace 1B
Castro C
Gonzalez SS
Lyles P

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart strikes out swinging.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs grounds out to short.

[Kc61]

In the last 20 games at the Astros park, Votto is hitting .494.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto walks.

[Tom Servo]

Dusty running us out of innings.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto is caught stealing. 0-0 mid 1st.

[Tom Servo]

Thought that would be extra bases off the bat.

[Reds Fanatic]

Schafer flies out the the track in left center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Alktuve grounds out to short.

[cbowen2112]

Arroyo getting squeezed according to gameday. As small as Atuve's zone is, pitchers need those calls.

[Reds Fanatic]

F. Martinez strikes out looking. 0-0 after 1.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips pops out to 3rd.
Bruce lines out to short.

[Reds Fanatic]

Heisey grounds out to short. 7 pitch inning. 0-0 mid 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

J. Martinez pops out to Phillips in shallow center field.

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo is getting no calls on the corners

[Reds Fanatic]

Johnson walks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wallace singles to center. 1st and 3rd.

[Tom Servo]

Rut roh.

[Kc61]

Stros loaded up with lefty bats against Arroyo.

Sac fly.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro sac fly to center. 1-0 Astros.

[cbowen2112]

Arroyo strikes out Johnson. Oh, no wait. No call. Guy walks. Ends up scoring 1st run. BS.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez grounds into a FC at short. 1-0 Astros after 2.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cairo pops out to 1st.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hanigan grounds out to the pitcher

[Kc61]

This Lyles has not been around too long, but he's had a 5 plus ERA both last season and this. Lefties destroy him, even righties have an .802 lifetime OPS against him.

Reds should be able to get runs against him.

[Tom Servo]

Bronson with a long single.

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo singles off the wall in left.

[Tom Servo]

Cozart! :jump:

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart homers to left! 2-1 Reds.

[Tom Servo]

Had a feeling something good would happen there after Arroyo's at-bat. :beerme:

[VR]

Arroyo singles off the wall in left.

Apparently the only one so far who realized Lyles was pitching today.

[mbgrayson]

Like to see Arroyo or Leake used to pinch hit if we insist on keeping Costanza, Cairo, and Valdez on the bench....

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs flies out to center. 2-1 Reds mid 3rd.

[Kc61]

LOL, I remember when Cozart was drafted. The book on him was that he wasn't a great hitting prospect, but did hit with good power. That's exactly how he's turned out so far.

No way should he be leading off. Probably could handle sixth in the order, though. Very nice power for a shortstop.

[Tom Servo]

LOL, I remember when Cozart was drafted. The book on him was that he wasn't a great hitting prospect, but did hit with good power. That's exactly how he's turned out so far.

No way should he be leading off. Probably could handle sixth in the order, though. Very nice power for a shortstop.
Agreed.

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Lyles on a ball Cozart can't handle.

[mbgrayson]

Infield hit for Lyles on a ball Cozart can't handle.

When the grounds crew wetted down the infield between innings, they left it VERY wet. Cozart slipped and fell down in the dirt. Bad grounds work.

[Reds Fanatic]

Schafer grounds into a 3-6 FC.

[Reds Fanatic]

Altuve grounds into a 5-4 FC. 2 outs.

[Kc61]

Nice play by Cairo, going to the line and making a good throw to second.

Not quite a statue just yet.

I wish Miggy would come around at the plate. I have no desire to see him leave, but he hasn't hit this season.

[VR]

Nice play by Cairo, going to the line and making a good throw to second.

Not quite a statue just yet.

I wish Miggy would come around at the plate. I have no desire to see him leave, but he hasn't hit this season.

I think it's time for Miggy to join Maggs.

[Tom Servo]

The Manigan throwing em out

[Reds Fanatic]

Hanigan nails the runner at 2nd. 2-1 Reds after 3.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto lines a single to left. Now 7 for 9 this series.

[Tom Servo]

Votto lines a single to left. Now 7 for 9 this series.
:KoolAid:

[Tom Servo]

Nearly DatDudeDP

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds into a FC at 2nd. Would have been a DP but Altuve throws it away.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce flies out to the track in left.

[Reds Fanatic]

Heisey flies out to center. 2-1 Reds mid 4th.

[757690]

Joe Morgan might not have embraced advanced stats, but he still is one of the smartest guys in baseball. I love to hear him talk baseball.

[Reds Fanatic]

F. Martinez grounds out to 1st.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice play by Brandon. 2 outs.

[VR]

Bronson with the two Martinez inning

[Tom Servo]

BP is unreal.

[Reds Fanatic]

Great catch by Phillips! 2-1 Reds after 4.

[Kc61]

That was about the finest infield play you can ask for in one half inning.

Votto made the first one with excellent positioning.

Phillips then with two tremendous plays at second.

The Reds have some leather on this ballclub, it really helps a pitcher like Arroyo. Great half inning.

[mbgrayson]

After 4 innings, Reds 2, Astros 1.

Lyles at 61 pitches, 39 strikes.
Arroyo at 59 pitches, 34 strikes.

[Tom Servo]

I feel like Cairo's at-bats are getting better, but the end results are about the same.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cairo grounded out to 3rd.

[Tom Servo]

Thom and Brantley going on again about what Cowboy likes to eat.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hanigan singles to center.

[Degenerate39]

I can't stand the Cowboy

[Kc61]

I feel like Cairo's at-bats are getting better, but the end results are about the same.

I think Cairo is entitled to more time to get it going. He's not entitled to the whole season, though.

When the Reds add a player, Costanzo is obviously the first to go.

But if they pick up two guys, Cairo could be on the bubble. Needs to pick it up offensively.

[VR]

Is the webbing of BP's glove painted gold?

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo grounds into a 4-3 DP. 2-1 Reds mid 5th.

[Tom Servo]

BA is DatDudeDP.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wallace bloop single to center.

[_Sir_Charles_]

No question Frazier needs a day off. He's getting up there in age at 26, and he probably got worn out running around the bases after jacking that HR yesterday. Cairo is definitely the smart start today.

[sarcasm off]

I'm not going to argue about who the better player is, I think it's obvious Todd is at this point. But if a player is on the roster, it only makes sense for that player to get the occasional start in order to stay somewhat in sync. Even if Cairo hasn't gotten there yet, he's got to play SOMETIME. IMO Dusty is very good about this. It's not about vet-love, it's about not putting a player to sleep to his detriment.

[Tom Servo]

Bronson in some trouble now.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro lines a single to right. 1st and 3rd. Bruce's arm kept that from being a double.

[mbgrayson]

Is the webbing of BP's glove painted gold?

Yes it is. He DID win the gold glove....lol.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Tie ballgame.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez lines a single to center. 2-2.

[Tom Servo]

:bash::doh:

[Kc61]

Unfortunate to give up that hit to Gonzalez with the pitcher on deck.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lyles sacrifices the runners to 2nd and 3rd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Everything is up this inning for Arroyo. He's got to get that ball down.

[Kc61]

Arroyo ahead on the count 1-2 to the lefty hitter. Needs to get him.

[_Sir_Charles_]

3-2 on the sac fly. Crud.

[Reds Fanatic]

Schafer sac fly to right. 3-2 Astros.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Has Hanny gone out to chat yet? Everything is middle of the zone or higher.

[Reds Fanatic]

Has Hanny gone out to chat yet? Everything is middle of the zone or higher.
Yes he has been out a few times this inning.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Thanks RF. I'm blacked out obviously.

[Reds Fanatic]

Altuve flies out to right. 3-2 Astros after 5.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart flies out to left
Infield hit for Stubbs.

[Kc61]

One out, Stubbs on first, Votto up, good opportunity for the Reds to get at least one back.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto strikes out swinging.

[Kc61]

I expect Stubbs to try and steal here.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs steals 2nd. 12th steal of the year.

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Phillips. Big Ab for Bruce.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Let's go Jay! Big hit in front of your family!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Crud. Flyout to Martinez

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce flies out to center. 3-2 Astros mid 6th.

[Reds Fanatic]

F. Martinez strikes out looking.

[Reds Fanatic]

J. Martinez flies out to center. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Johnson doubles to right

[Kc61]

Arroyo with 89 pitches. He often fades after 90. This should be his last inning.

[Kc61]

Pick off attempt at second, called him safe, probably was out. Astros coverage showed several replays, looked out, very close.

Arroyo ahead in the count needs this one.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wallace strikes out. 3-2 Astros after 6.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Heisey due for a dinger.

[_Sir_Charles_]

He remains due. k

[_Sir_Charles_]

I love Miggy...but he really does seem to be done.

[Kc61]

Heisey up there hacking. Strikes out looking. Heisey has 6 walks in 133 plate appearances this season. Needs to be more patient.

Two out in the seventh, Cairo grounds out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cairo groudns out to 3rd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Heisey up there hacking. Strikes out looking. Heisey has 6 walks in 133 plate appearances this season. Needs to be more patient.

Two out in the seventh, Cairo grounds out.

Did Heisey have any sort of a track record of walking more in the minors?

[Reds Fanatic]

Hanigan grounds out to 1st. 3-2 Astros mid 7th

[Kc61]

Did Heisey have any sort of a track record of walking more in the minors?

172 walks in 2032 plate appearances in the minor leagues for Heisey.

[PuffyPig]

Brutal 3rd strike call on Heisey, equally brutal 2nd strike call on Hannigan.

Likely the worse two calsl of the day on balls/strikes.

Arroyo clearly had the pickoff in the last inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro strikes out looking

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez singles off the wall in right

[_Sir_Charles_]

Shot off the wall in right, Bruce plays it perfectly and hold him to a single.

[WebScorpion]

Gonzalez singles off the wall in rightI thought that was gone when he hit it...not enough elevation. Whew!

[Kc61]

If the Reds really intend to win this game, they should bring in a pitcher. Arroyo continues to fool some guys, but some of these hits are rocket shots.

Arroyo leads off next inning, so manager probably would like to see him get through this inning.

I would make a move for Arroyo now.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Justin Maxwell pinch hitting. Astros seem to really like this guy.

[WebScorpion]

Justin Maxwell pinch hitting. Astros seem to really like this guy.I see why. :(

[Reds Fanatic]

A long home run by Maxwell. 5-2 Astros.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I would make a move for Arroyo now.

Good call. Unfortunately. Dinger. 5-2 ballgame.

[Kc61]

Good call. Unfortunately. Dinger. 5-2 ballgame.

I've watched Bronson Arroyo pitch for many years now. He fades badly after 90 pitches most times. I've posted this dozens of times.

If I know it, why doesn't Dusty know it? Or the pitching coach or whomever?

So now Dusty takes him out.

I don't expect sweeps on the road, but leaving Arroyo out there was not a close call. He should have been out.

[TOBTTReds]

Dusty has never learned how to manage Arroyo. I'd say clearly his weakest point (outside of lineup construction).

[PuffyPig]

The Reds inability to get a base runner on last inning (with help from the umpire) has likely kept the Reds from having a reasonable chance to win this game, as Arroyo would have been PH for.

It happens.

[TOBTTReds]

The Reds inability to get a base runner on last inning (with help from the umpire) has likely kept the Reds from having a reasonable chance to win this game, as Arroyo would have been PH for.

It happens.

And it probably would have been Frazier with a man on base. Instead, Frazier will leadoff with no one on base.

[Reds Fanatic]

Altuve flies out to center.5-2 Astros after 7.

[mth123]

The Reds inability to get a base runner on last inning (with help from the umpire) has likely kept the Reds from having a reasonable chance to win this game, as Arroyo would have been PH for.

It happens.

Well, that's true, but Arroyo should have been out anyway. KC is right on target. We complain about Dusty, but I'm completely unimpressed with Price. IMO, he should be the one making the manager see the light and its pretty clear with Arroyo. Monday is an offday. Most of the pen should have been available tday.

[alloverjr]

The Reds inability to get a base runner on last inning (with help from the umpire) has likely kept the Reds from having a reasonable chance to win this game, as Arroyo would have been PH for.

It happens.

It really shouldn't though. A pitcher's done he's done. He could have double switched or not, makes no difference. It's not like whoever would have otherwise pitched the 7th was going more than 1 anyway. Don't like the decision at all.

[Kc61]

The Reds inability to get a base runner on last inning (with help from the umpire) has likely kept the Reds from having a reasonable chance to win this game, as Arroyo would have been PH for.

It happens.

Dusty didn't have to leave Arroyo in the game, just because Bronson led off the next inning.

Dusty manages Arroyo like he is a 110 pitch type guy. He isn't. He wasn't before Dusty ever got here.

IMO, Dusty is responsible for taking this game from the "possible win" column to the "real longshot" column.

[mbgrayson]

Arroyo with 89 pitches. He often fades after 90. This should be his last inning.

Very typical for Bronson to lose some effectiveness after 100 pitches for sure.

Very sad: Dusty left him out there one batter too long.... Pitch #106 is a two run homer for the Astros. With tomorrow an off day, and the bullpen fairly well rested, why send Bronson back out there to pitch the seventh given the quality of the Reds bullpen??

[WebScorpion]

3 runs down with 2 innings to go against a team they should be able to beat handily. It does not seem impossible to me. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[alloverjr]

3 runs down with 2 innings to go against a team they should be able to beat handily. It does not seem impossible to me. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Nice pom-poms.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wilton Lopez in. One of their few good relievers.

[Kc61]

Very typical for Bronson to lose some effectiveness after 100 pitches for sure.

Very sad: Dusty left him out there one batter too long.... Pitch #106 is a two run homer for the Astros. With tomorrow an off day, and the bullpen fairly well rested, why send Bronson back out there to pitch the seventh given the quality of the Reds bullpen??

It's just a classic managerial mistake to stick with a pitcher because he is due to lead off the next inning. You figure, if he gets me through one more, I'll pinch hit for him.

It's really very poor reasoning and costs teams ballgames on many occasions. Today could be such a game.

[PuffyPig]

3 runs down with 2 innings to go against a team they should be able to beat handily. It does not seem impossible to me. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Houston'sr home record is better than our road record.

Baseball is not a game in which anyone should be expected to sweep another team handily.

[Kc61]

Houston'sr home record is better than our road record.

Baseball is not a game in which anyone should be expected to sweep another team handily.

Agree. Sweeps on the road are very tough. This game was always going to be a tough one to win.

Still, Dusty handled Arroyo incorrectly.

[WVRedsFan]

Very typical for Bronson to lose some effectiveness after 100 pitches for sure.

Very sad: Dusty left him out there one batter too long.... Pitch #106 is a two run homer for the Astros. With tomorrow an off day, and the bullpen fairly well rested, why send Bronson back out there to pitch the seventh given the quality of the Reds bullpen??

Typical. Gotta trust those veterans.

[Kc61]

Double for Frazier.

[WVRedsFan]

Double for Frazier.

Must have been the rest he got -- not

[_Sir_Charles_]

I still think we pull this one out. I like our chances against their pen.

[Kc61]

infield hit for Cozart.

[Reds Fanatic]

Check swing infield hit for Cozart. 1st and 3rd.

[WVRedsFan]

Wow. Base hit for Zach on a mistake

[WebScorpion]

2 strikes Drew, Choke up.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs strikes out swinging.

[Kc61]

If Drew Stubbs ever fouled off a two strike pitch, I would faint.

[_Sir_Charles_]

2 strikes Drew, Choke.

Is this what you meant to type?

[Degenerate39]

Please tie this up Joey PLEASE

[WebScorpion]

Is this what you meant to type?Nah, that's just the way he took it.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Deep sac fly to center. Zack nearly doubled up. Ball got away, so Zack advances to third.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto flies out to deep center. 5-3 Astros.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart goes to 3rd on the throwing error.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds ou to 1st. 5-3 Astros mid 8th.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ground out to 1st. Should've gotten more than 1 there darnit!

[Kc61]

Ground out to 1st. Should've gotten more than 1 there darnit!

The real issue is that the game should be 3-3.

But I guess it's time to move on. Maybe we'll get them in the ninth.

[WebScorpion]

Cozart goes to 3rd on the throwing error.
This is the reason I think the Reds can always beat these guys. Frazier should have never been on base - they pitched him something like 4 or 5 fastballs in the same spot until he hit one fair. Cozart should not have been on base - the pitcher or 2nd baseman should have grabbed that and thrown him out, then he gets to third on a throwing error when he should have been thrown out on the deep fly. This team gives us too many chances, eventually our guys should come through.
:beerme:

[PuffyPig]

The real issue is that the game should be 3-3.

But I guess it's time to move on. Maybe we'll get them in the ninth.

Of course if you had taken Arroyo out earlier, the Reds inning would have gone completely different. And of course you are assuming the Astros wouldn't have scored on the Red's reliever.

[Vottomatic]

Dusty should have taken out Arroyo after the guy doubled off the wall. It was obvious Arroyo didn't have it and the wheels were about to fall off.

Dusty strikes again!!!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Ondrusek in to pitch

[Kc61]

Of course if you had taken Arroyo out earlier, the Reds inning would have gone completely different. And of course you are assuming the Astros wouldn't have scored on the Red's reliever.

Agree on the second point. It's possible the Reds' reliever would have given up the runs anyway.

On the first point, if Arroyo comes out, Reds would have (should have) double switched Frazier into the game anyway. So I don't see why the Reds inning should have been different.

Bottom line, if I knew Arroyo should have been out, the Reds should have known it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Martinez.

[Reds Fanatic]

They are calling that an error on Frazier which is a bad scoring decision

[PuffyPig]

On the first point, if Arroyo comes out after the sixth, Reds would have (should have) double switched Frazier into the game anyway. So I don't see why that eighth inning would have been any different for the Reds.


Becuase the timing would be different. Everything about the inning would be changed. The Reds might have scored 10 runs, they may have scored 0. But every sequence would be different.

If the pitcher decides to hesitate a second before throwing a pitch, he's changed the sequence of events. Especially in a sport like baseball, where randomness runs supreme.

[Reds Fanatic]

Johnson strikes out swinging.

[alloverjr]

Of course if you had taken Arroyo out earlier, the Reds inning would have gone completely different.

I'm not sure you can assume that at all. In fact, good chance Frazier hits in the nine hole regardless. Sure, maybe they pitch differently or the Reds don't take the same approach at the dish, but the order would have been the same, IMO. Dusty made a mistake, and one he needs to learn from.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wallace hit by the pitch

[WebScorpion]

Argh. Logan beaned Wallace. That Wallace kid has a weird grip...the bottom 2 fingers on his top hand are overlapping the top 2 fingers on is bottom hand.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro singles to left. Bases loaded.

[Kc61]

Becuase the timing would be different. Everything about the inning would be changed. The Reds might have scored 10 runs, they may have scored 0. But every sequence would be different.

If the pitcher decides to hesitate a second before throwing a pitch, he's changed the sequence of events. Especially in a sport like baseball, where randomness runs supreme.

Sure, anything could have been different.

Leaving Arroyo to pitch to Maxwell, indeed to pitch that seventh inning at all, was awful managing that directly led to this being a three run game (now two) instead of a one run game.

The manager left the pitcher in too long, he likely did it because the pitcher was up lead off, it was poor reasoning, a poor decision, and may have cost the team the game.

Although Ondrusek, who has struggled lately, isn't helping matters right now.

[Vottomatic]

I would make a move for Arroyo now.

I would have too. Key reason the Reds are losing. Manager waits too long to give the yank.

[RedlegJake]

After 15 pitches Ondrusek gets hit at a .300 clip - time to change

[PuffyPig]

I'm not sure you can assume that at all. In fact, good chance Frazier hits in the nine hole regardless. Sure, maybe they pitch differently or the Reds don't take the same approach at the dish, but the order would have been the same, IMO. Dusty made a mistake, and one he needs to learn from.

You've missed my point.

It doesn't matter that the order would be the same.

The changed timing means that every pitch and every swing would be different.

We change pitchers and even if we get out of it, Frazier would bat at a different time. That changes everything. Frazier might still hit a double, as he sometimes hits doubles. But what he actually did on this AB is likely not particularly relevant ton what he would have done if the timing is different.

[Kc61]

After 15 pitches Ondrusek gets hit at a .300 clip - time to change

Logan's numbers have suffered lately. I'm concerned that he can't handle this much usage.

Logan's strikeout to walk ratio is flattening, and he was much more effective in April.

Reds aren't using him too much for many relievers, but this pitcher seems to fade with a lot of use.

[RedlegJake]

Whew - come backer that Logan bobbled but he had plenty of time to get him anyway

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez grounds back to Ondrusek. 5-3 Astros after 8.

[WebScorpion]

Logan's numbers have suffered lately. I'm concerned that he can't handle this much usage.

Logan's strikeout to walk ratio is flattening, and he was much more effective in April.

Reds aren't using him too much for many relievers, but this pitcher seems to fade with a lot of use.Pray for Masset and Bray... ;)

[Reds Fanatic]

One last chance.

Bruce, Heisey and a pinch hitter due up

[Reds Fanatic]

Myers in to pitch. Bogusevic in to play right.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce flies out to center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Heisey fouls out to 3rd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Last chance. Ludwick steps up to hit the 3 run solo shot. *grin*

[_Sir_Charles_]

K. Ballgame.

I'm glad I went to last night's game instead.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ludwick strikes out swinging. Reds lose 5-3.

[WVRedsFan]

Tough game to lose. Now, if the Mets can beat the Cardinals again tonight, we still lose ground with Pittsburgh still winning despite everyone's proclamation that they will come down to earth. If that happens, we're up 3 and it's Pittsburgh in second place. If the Cards win, we are once again 2.5 up.

I do know this. If I were the manager, and it's probably a good thing I'm not, Bronson always goes only 6 innings. More often than not, bad things happen after 6 for Arroyo.

[lollipopcurve]

Leaving Arroyo to pitch to Maxwell, indeed to pitch that seventh inning at all, was awful managing

I think you're right on with the Arroyo thing, KC. He's not the innings eater he once was. The fact that Baker does not recognize this is completely predictable.