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cumberlandreds
06-13-2012, 03:16 PM
Here's the Indians lineup. Same as last night except for the pitcher. Latos is going for the Reds tonight. He's replacing Leake who has that virus that is going around the Reds clubhouse.


1. Shin-Soo Choo (L) RF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=choosh01&year=Career&t=b)
2. Asdrubal Cabrera (S) SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=cabreas01&year=Career&t=b)
3. Jason Kipnis (L) 2B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=kipnija01&year=Career&t=b)
4. Carlos Santana (S) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=santaca01&year=Career&t=b)
5. Michael Brantley (L) CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=brantmi02&year=Career&t=b)
6. Johnny Damon (L) LF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=damonjo01&year=Career&t=b)
7. Casey Kotchman (L) 1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=kotchca01&year=Career&t=b)
8. Lonnie Chisenhall (L) 3B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=chiselo01&year=Career&t=b)
9. Derek Lowe (R) P (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=lowede01&year=Career&t=b)

Reds1
06-13-2012, 03:32 PM
It will be interesting to see what the Reds will put out there tonight with all their sickness. I saw a pretty cool article where Dusty said he was sick playing for LA Dodgers and Lasorda wouldn't let him go home and he was in uni laying on the training table. They came and got him in the 11th and he hit a game winning HR. He said he didn't even remember it. Love those classic old stories.

Degenerate39
06-13-2012, 04:18 PM
Heisey 8, Valdez 6, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Bruce 9, Frazier 5, Ludwick 7, Hanigan 2, Latos 1. vs. Lowe

mace
06-13-2012, 04:38 PM
It will be interesting to see what the Reds will put out there tonight with all their sickness. I saw a pretty cool article where Dusty said he was sick playing for LA Dodgers and Lasorda wouldn't let him go home and he was in uni laying on the training table. They came and got him in the 11th and he hit a game winning HR. He said he didn't even remember it. Love those classic old stories.

Mike Piazza tells the story that when he was a rookie, he tweaked something trying to hit home runs in BP with Eric Davis and Darryl Strawberry. The trainer told him he'd better go talk to Tommy, so went into the office, told Lasorda what happened, and Lasorda said, "You know, Mike, you're important to us and we want you healthy for the long haul. You just tell me what you think is best."

Piazza said, "Well, to be honest, I really don't think I can play tonight."

"You CAN'T PLAY? What the F***? You telling me you CAN'T PLAY? J**** C*****! . . ."

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 04:44 PM
Here's the Indians lineup. Same as last night except for the pitcher. Latos is going for the Reds tonight. He's replacing Leake who has that virus that is going around the Reds clubhouse.


1. Shin-Soo Choo (L) RF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=choosh01&year=Career&t=b)
2. Asdrubal Cabrera (S) SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=cabreas01&year=Career&t=b)
3. Jason Kipnis (L) 2B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=kipnija01&year=Career&t=b)
4. Carlos Santana (S) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=santaca01&year=Career&t=b)
5. Michael Brantley (L) CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=brantmi02&year=Career&t=b)
6. Johnny Damon (L) LF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=damonjo01&year=Career&t=b)
7. Casey Kotchman (L) 1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=kotchca01&year=Career&t=b)
8. Lonnie Chisenhall (L) 3B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=chiselo01&year=Career&t=b)
9. Derek Lowe (R) P (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=lowede01&year=Career&t=b)

Good lord, that's a TON of lefties. The 2 non-lefties are switch hitters no less. This is one of the main reasons I was suggesting we look to the Indians as a trading partner. They need pitching and right handed hitters from what I can see. Something we have abundant supply of IMO.

Screwball
06-13-2012, 06:05 PM
Good lord, that's a TON of lefties. The 2 non-lefties are switch hitters no less. This is one of the main reasons I was suggesting we look to the Indians as a trading partner. They need pitching and right handed hitters from what I can see. Something we have abundant supply of IMO.

Lefties are crushing Latos this year, with a line of .317/.379/.583/.962 (for his career, though, Latos has kept LHHers to a pedestrian .703 OPS). Still, this doesn't look like a real good matchup for Latos, especially given the Little League fence in right field.

And Valdez had a good game last night, but he has no business batting second. Lowe is going to mow him down tonight.

klw
06-13-2012, 06:26 PM
Cozart has been Pipped!

Reds1
06-13-2012, 06:43 PM
hopefully 2 nights in a row we can get those lefties out. Cueto hasn't been good against lefties this year either so maybe Latos can find some magic.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 08:13 PM
And this game is underway!

K

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 08:14 PM
Pop out to Valdez. 2 down.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:15 PM
Good start for Latos.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 08:19 PM
Family just came over, so sorry...I can't do PBP right now.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:20 PM
Heisey K's
Valdez walks on four pitches
Votto grounds out weakly to 1st.

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 08:20 PM
Votto with the sacrifice. (Or at least that's what Verlander would argue) ;)

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:24 PM
BP single up the middle, Valdez scores.

1-0 Reds.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:25 PM
Bruce pops up on the first pitch to 2B.

1-0 Reds after 1.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:28 PM
Santana K's.
Brantley flies out to right.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 08:28 PM
KK

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 08:32 PM
Latos has nice control of his breaking balls.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 08:32 PM
1-2-3 again. I'll take that.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:32 PM
Damon grounds out to third to end the frame.

1-0 Reds to the bottom of 2.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:35 PM
Frazier lines out to CF on the first pitch.
Ludwick K's.
Hanigan walks
Latos K's.


1-0 Reds after 2.

WrongVerb
06-13-2012, 08:41 PM
You know, one has to just fantasize from time to time what it would have been like to have had Barry Larkin batting in the 2 hole just in front of Joey Votto. Alas.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:45 PM
Kotchman K's.
Chisenhall grounds out to 2B on a great snag by BP.

WrongVerb
06-13-2012, 08:46 PM
Phillips - the human highlight reel

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:47 PM
Lowe bloop single to center, the perfect game/no-hitter is gone.

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 08:47 PM
Best Latos has looked since the 11 K Pittsburgh game.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:49 PM
Not sure where a 1-2 pitch to Choo missed, and then Choo singles to center. First and second.

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 08:50 PM
Good trip to mound for Hanny.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:51 PM
Cabrera pops up to first.

1-0 Reds to the bottom of 3.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:54 PM
Heisey flies out to center.
Valdez grounds out to short.
Votto walks.

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 08:57 PM
Votto intimidates a BB from Lowe.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 08:58 PM
Votto caught stealing to end the inning.

1-0 Reds after 3.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:02 PM
Kipnis drag bunt single
Santana walks on 4 pitches
Brantley singles to left


Bases juiced, no outs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-13-2012, 09:05 PM
Man, Latos is so easily rattled. Big inning brewing.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:05 PM
Now would be an awfully nice time for K#4

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:06 PM
Damon K's.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:06 PM
KKKK

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:10 PM
Kotchman grounds out to 1st, Votto flips to second for an out. Run scores.

First and third, two outs. 1-1 game.

Reds Freak
06-13-2012, 09:11 PM
Kotchman grounds out to 1st, Votto flips to second for an out. Run scores.

First and third, two outs. 1-1 game.

Could he have gone home there or no?

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Man, Latos is so easily rattled. Big inning brewing.

Other than the walk, one single walk, he pitched very well that inning. The walk cost him a run no doubt, but I saw some mettle there, unlike you I guess.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Chisenhall grounds out to 2nd.

1-1 to the bottom of 4.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Decent job by Latos to limit the damage.

edabbs44
06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Could he have gone home there or no?

No chance.

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Could he have gone home there or no?

Not from his position on the ground.

Kc61
06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Man, Latos is so easily rattled. Big inning brewing.

He wasn't rattled, there was no big inning.

Latos sometimes is hit harder in the middle innings. But rattled? Don't see it.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Could he have gone home there or no?
Nah, too risky. Hell, going to second was pretty risky itself.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 09:13 PM
Man, Latos is so easily rattled. Big inning brewing.

Sorry, better luck next time.

Thanks for playing.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:13 PM
Other than the walk, one single walk, he pitched very well that inning. The walk cost him a run no doubt, but I saw some mettle there, unlike you I guess.

Agreed. He didn't seem rattled one bit. He lost his release point a bit during that Kotchman ab, but he stayed within himself quite well I thought.

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 09:14 PM
He wasn't rattled, there was no big inning.

Latos sometimes is hit harder in the middle innings. But rattled? Don't see it.

Who are we kidding, the opposing team loading the bases, no matter how, is liking putting up the Batsignal for Reds/Flyers.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:15 PM
Could he have gone home there or no?

Speed at third, kinda risky IMO.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:16 PM
BP singles up the middle.
Bruce walks.

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 09:18 PM
I've said it before but someone alert me when Welsh says he wouldn't green light someone.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:20 PM
Fourth walk by Lowe. We need to make them pay for this.

WVRedsFan
06-13-2012, 09:20 PM
Who is this Doug guy on the radio with Kelch?

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:21 PM
Frazier grounds out to 3rd. Runners move up a base.

defender
06-13-2012, 09:21 PM
It will be interesting to see what the Reds will put out there tonight with all their sickness. I saw a pretty cool article where Dusty said he was sick playing for LA Dodgers and Lasorda wouldn't let him go home and he was in uni laying on the training table. They came and got him in the 11th and he hit a game winning HR. He said he didn't even remember it. Love those classic old stories.

I thought I would see how good Baker's lack of memory was:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN197608020.shtml

Looks like he was double switched in, in the 10th. One of only 4 hrs he hit that year.

Reds Freak
06-13-2012, 09:22 PM
Nah, too risky. Hell, going to second was pretty risky itself.

Ok, thanks. I'm not watching, listening to Marty and Jim.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:22 PM
Ludwick sac fly to CF. 2-1 Reds.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:23 PM
IBB to Hanigan

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 09:23 PM
Maybe this will cause a reverse jinx but Latos is one of the worst hitting pitchers I've seen lately.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:24 PM
Latos grounds out to 2nd.

2-1 Reds after 4.

Gallen5862
06-13-2012, 09:25 PM
Thanks for the pbp and inning summaries.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:28 PM
Lowe fouled out to 1st
Choo grounds out to 2nd
Cabrera single to left
Santana flies out to right.

2-1 Reds to the bottom of 5.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:33 PM
Latos at 74 pitches thru 5.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:34 PM
Maybe this will cause a reverse jinx but Latos is one of the worst hitting pitchers I've seen lately.

He reminds me of an early Harang. I thought Aaron improved as he went along, but early on he was pretty brutal too. Latos is almost that bad. We've also been a bit spoiled by our hitting pitchers the past year or so.

WebScorpion
06-13-2012, 09:34 PM
Cabrera single to left
Santana flies out to right.

Not to be too picky, but the single was to right field and the fly out was to Ludwick in left. ;)

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:36 PM
Leadoff walk to Heisey.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:37 PM
Not to be too picky, but the single was to right field and the fly out was to Ludwick in left. ;)
I meant my other right, and my other left.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:39 PM
Valdez can't get a bunt down, and strikes out swinging.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:39 PM
Votto doubles off the wall/LF glove. Heisey to third.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:39 PM
Votto smokes a double off the LF'ers glove

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:40 PM
BP plunked

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:40 PM
BP plunked in the shoulder. Bases juiced.

Kc61
06-13-2012, 09:41 PM
Bags full for Bruce. Jay leads the league in sac flies. Would like to see him hit another one, but maybe it carries over the fence.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:41 PM
Bruce linedrive sac fly to RF. 3-1 Reds.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:41 PM
Dang. Jay smoked that ball, but right at the RF'er.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Frazier flies out to center.

3-1 Reds after 5.

Kc61
06-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Dang. Jay smoked that ball, but right at the RF'er.

Be happy the run scored, the ball wasn't hit that deep.

Three down.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:45 PM
Be happy the run scored, the ball wasn't hit that deep.

Three down.

True. But Heisey was on third, he's got good enough wheels, I wasn't that concerned.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 09:45 PM
Be happy the run scored, the ball wasn't hit that deep.

Three down.

70% of line drives are hits, and that one was smoked.

The run scored easily.

The only luck there belonged to the Indians.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:46 PM
6 walks, a hbp, and 3 hits off of Lowe through 5...and we've only got 3 runs. I hope that doesn't come back to haunt us.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-13-2012, 09:46 PM
Sixth inning is Latos' nemesis ... Hope he overcomes it tonight.

RedsfaninMT
06-13-2012, 09:47 PM
70% of line drives are hits, and that one was smoked.

The run scored easily.

The only luck there belonged to the Indians.

Agree. And Choo has a gun, but no play on Heisey. The ball was smoked and plenty deep.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:47 PM
Santana doubles to right.

Patrick Bateman
06-13-2012, 09:48 PM
Sixth inning is Latos' nemesis ... Hope he overcomes it tonight.

Love the backhanded fandom! :lol:

WrongVerb
06-13-2012, 09:49 PM
6 walks, a hbp, and 3 hits off of Lowe through 5...and we've only got 3 runs. I hope that doesn't come back to haunt us.

If only we had guys who could get on base. :D

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:50 PM
Brantley grounds out to 1st, Santana moves to 3rd.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 09:50 PM
Love the backhanded fandom! :lol:

JSUK, the Cards game is on TV.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:50 PM
Damon grounds out to 2nd, no play but at first.

3-2 game.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:53 PM
Kotchman K's.

3-2 to the bottom of 6.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:56 PM
Ludwick robbed of a HR by Choo :(

Tony Cloninger
06-13-2012, 09:56 PM
Quit giving back runs Latos.

Lowe seems to pitch backwards and does his Jake Westbrook, Doug Davis routine...where you cannot figure out how in the world he has not been knocked out by the 4th inning.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:56 PM
Hanigan bloop single to shallow right.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:57 PM
JSUK, the Cards game is on TV.

I'm trying...I really am. JSUK?

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:57 PM
Latos bunts but too hard and they get Hanigan at second.

hebroncougar
06-13-2012, 09:58 PM
Did Welsh just say Ludwick has power to right center?

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 09:58 PM
Ludwick robbed of a HR by Choo :(

Nah, it was short of the fence. Choo robbed that fan of a ball though.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 09:59 PM
Heisey deep single, Latos to third.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:00 PM
I'm trying...I really am. JSUK?

Just So U Know

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:01 PM
Just So U Know

Arrrgh! You had to toss in the "U" didn't you? LOL.

Patrick Bateman
06-13-2012, 10:01 PM
I'm trying...I really am. JSUK?

Get outta here gramps. Even my pops knows that one!

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:01 PM
Valdez grounds out weakly.

3-2 Reds after 6.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:02 PM
Arrrgh! You had to toss in the "U" didn't you? LOL.

I didn't invent it, you really need to get outside more....

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:02 PM
I didn't invent it, you really need to get outside more....

Nah, I just don't use texting shortcuts. Oh well. :O)

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:03 PM
ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssss

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:03 PM
Get outta here gramps. Even my pops knows that one!

*sigh* Get off my lawn!

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:04 PM
ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

What's that I hear?

I think someone is letting the air out of the Pirates lead balloon.

Down 5-0.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:04 PM
Chisenhall single up the middle

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:05 PM
Central Updates:

Pirates 1 Orioles 5 7th inning
Cubs 2 Tigers 1 3rd inning
KC 1 Milw. 1 3rd inning
Cards 1 White Sox 0 3rd inning
Astros & Giants later

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:06 PM
Pinch hitter Lopez flies out to right.
Choo K's.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:09 PM
KKKKKK

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 10:11 PM
Latos pitched a great game tonight, no other way to spin it.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:11 PM
KKKKKKK

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:11 PM
Cabrera K's.

3-2 Reds to the bottom of 7.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:12 PM
99 pitches for Latos. I'd have no problem letting him go one more.

RedsfaninMT
06-13-2012, 10:12 PM
Now let's hope the pen can get back on track tonight.

Patrick Bateman
06-13-2012, 10:12 PM
99 pitches for Latos. I'd have no problem letting him go one more.

Careful, you might get fired from the board for that choice.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:13 PM
Latos pitched a great game tonight, no other way to spin it.

Maybe not, but I'm sure Flyers/RedsFan will give it the old college try.

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 10:14 PM
99 pitches for Latos. I'd have no problem letting him go one more.

If you don't use Marshall-Chapman in this game, when do you?

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:14 PM
Careful, you might get fired from the board for that choice.

If there's any pitcher on this staff that could use the confidence boost, it's Latos. He got stung by that blown save last time out IIRC. He's also had problems going deep into games thus far.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:15 PM
If you don't use Marshall-Chapman in this game, when do you?

IMO, whenever you NEED to. Not just when you CAN. I think relievers get used too often.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:16 PM
Votto singles to left.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:16 PM
I'm telling you....cyborg.

WrongVerb
06-13-2012, 10:17 PM
Votto sees two pitches from this pitcher, gets fooled on one, and then owns him.

I just LOVE having this guy on my favorite team. WOW!

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 10:17 PM
If there's any pitcher on this staff that could use the confidence boost, it's Latos. He got stung by that blown save last time out IIRC. He's also had problems going deep into games thus far.

Yeah, but sometimes you give a guy confidence by taking him out after he's already got a solid performance in the bank. If the lead was more than 1, I'd have no problem with sending him back for the eighth until a guy reached base.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:18 PM
DatDudeHR! :jump:

5-2 Reds

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:18 PM
:jump: LAUNCHED! BP!

klw
06-13-2012, 10:19 PM
Brandon says I got your LOOGY Right here!!

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:19 PM
Yeah, but sometimes you give a guy confidence by taking him out after he's already got a solid performance in the bank. If the lead was more than 1, I'd have no problem with sending him back for the eighth until a guy reached base.

Remember you said that. *grin* I'm pretty sure it's more than 1 now. :O)

Fair point btw. Every guy is different, and they need different types of motivation. I'll trust Dusty on knowing his players.

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 10:19 PM
Now that the variables have changed, I'm fine with letting Latos go back out for 1 more...no baserunners though.

Patrick Bateman
06-13-2012, 10:19 PM
PP, I thought you said Phillps couldnt hit lefties?

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:19 PM
Bruce flies out to left.

Patrick Bateman
06-13-2012, 10:20 PM
Now that the variables have changed, I'm fine with letting Latos go back out for 1 more...no baserunners though.

He's been dominant tonight, no question I stick with him.

Sea Ray
06-13-2012, 10:20 PM
:jump: LAUNCHED! BP!

Does that have to just completely tick off Indians fans everytime they see Brandon do this?

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:21 PM
Frazier K's

WrongVerb
06-13-2012, 10:21 PM
Think the Indians' bull pen will be glad to be out of Cincinnati?

klw
06-13-2012, 10:21 PM
So in Bruce's 4 AB's tonight, he has swung at the first pitch 3 times and made an out each time. In the 4th AB he took 3 balls, swung at the 3-0 and 3-1 before walking. Nice patience

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:21 PM
PP, I thought you said Phillps couldnt hit lefties?

I didn't say he couldn't hit lefties, I said he wasn't hitting lefties.

Didn't your parents teach you the difference between couldn't and wasn't?

Do you even have parents?

Patrick Bateman
06-13-2012, 10:21 PM
Does that have to just completely tick off Indians fans everytime they see Brandon do this?

Even without considering the benefit of hindshight, I have trouble imagining they couldnt get more than Jeff Stevens for him.

Big Klu
06-13-2012, 10:21 PM
Congratulations to Brandon Phillips, who has passed Joey Votto (again) for 17th place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Brandon Phillips - 131
18. Joey Votto - 130
19. Reggie Sanders - 125
20. Ernie Lombardi - 120
21. Sean Casey - 118
22. Jay Bruce - 113
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

klw
06-13-2012, 10:22 PM
Does that have to just completely tick off Indians fans everytime they see Brandon do this?

Does it upset you when Konerko homers?

Patrick Bateman
06-13-2012, 10:22 PM
I didn't say he couldn't hit lefties, I said he wasn't hitting lefties.

Didn't your parents teach you the difference between couldn't and wasn't?

Do you even have parents?

Well he certainly proved your pompous opinions wrong.

He is and can hit lefties.

Sea Ray
06-13-2012, 10:23 PM
Even without considering the benefit of hindshight, I have trouble imagining they couldnt get more than Jeff Stevens for him.

It's the kind of deal that drives fans to...:alcohol:

Big Klu
06-13-2012, 10:23 PM
Does that have to just completely tick off Indians fans everytime they see Brandon do this?


Even without considering the benefit of hindshight, I have trouble imagining they couldnt get more than Jeff Stevens for him.

I live in an area with a lot of Tribe fans, and the ones I know universally curse Eric Wedge every time Brandon Phillips is mentioned.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:23 PM
Ludwick K's to end the frame.


5-2 Reds after 7.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:24 PM
So in Bruce's 4 AB's tonight, he has swung at the first pitch 3 times and made an out each time. In the 4th AB he took 3 balls, swung at the 3-0 and 3-1 before walking. Nice patience

He made contact each time, once on a scorching line drive.

Those aren't bad odds if you believe in BABIP.

Swinging at the first pitch and missing badly is a bad thing. Swinging and putting it in play is not so bad.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:24 PM
O's tack on 2 more. 7-1 now over the Buccos.

757690
06-13-2012, 10:25 PM
O's tack on 2 more. 7-1 now over the Buccos.

Need to get some space between the Reds and Pirates. They scare me ;)

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:25 PM
Latos' night is done, Marshall in to pitch.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:25 PM
Well he certainly proved your pompous opinions wrong.

He is and can hit lefties.

Isn't "he" and "your" the same person?

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:26 PM
He made contact each time, once on a scorching line drive.

Those aren't bad odds if you believe in BABIP.

Swinging at the first pitch and missing badly is a bad thing. Swinging and putting it in play is not so bad.

Exactly. Sometimes the best pitch to hit that you get IS the first pitch. It's not always a good thing to "work the count" if it means you let the hittable pitch sail past.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:26 PM
Marshall in btw.

Great job by Latos tonight. He looked like the guy I saw for the Padres tonight.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:26 PM
Kipnis grounds out to 2nd.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:27 PM
Frazier boots a groundball by Santana who reaches on the E.

1 on, 1 out.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:27 PM
Exactly. Sometimes the best pitch to hit that you get IS the first pitch. It's not always a good thing to "work the count" if it means you let the hittable pitch sail past.

Hitters often get credit for "working the count" when they swing and miss often.

NJReds
06-13-2012, 10:27 PM
O's tack on 2 more. 7-1 now over the Buccos.

Chris Davis hit a 2-run broken bat HR. The barrel ended up in the dugout.

Reds Freak
06-13-2012, 10:27 PM
Frazier isn't all that strong at 3B, is he?

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:28 PM
Brantley grounds out to 2nd.

Sea Ray
06-13-2012, 10:28 PM
Frazier isn't all that strong at 3B, is he?

We really miss Rolen's glove

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:28 PM
We really miss Rolen's glove
I'm pretty sure Frazier's offense has offset any negative defensive value so far.

kaldaniels
06-13-2012, 10:29 PM
Frazier isn't all that strong at 3B, is he?

He got ate up there but I think he's been passable at 3B over the past month.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:29 PM
We really miss Rolen's glove

I'm surprised that Rolen doesn't let Frazier use his glove if it makes that much of a difference.

He must be quite the meany.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:29 PM
Frazier isn't all that strong at 3B, is he?

He's about average. That one was a bad hop IMO. He'll improve with reps as I've said before. At least that's my take.

Reds Freak
06-13-2012, 10:30 PM
He got ate up there but I think he's been passable at 3B over the past month.

I'd agree with that. As bad as Rolen has been offensively, we have been pretty spoiled by his defense the past few years over at third.

NJReds
06-13-2012, 10:30 PM
Frazier boots a groundball by Santana who reaches on the E.

1 on, 1 out.

On the broadcast they said Rolen could be activated tomorrow, and Frazier would be in the LF "mix." I'll take that over Ludwick ... He swings like a blindfolded kid going after a pinata.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:31 PM
On the broadcast they said Rolen could be activated tomorrow, and Frazier would be in the LF "mix." I'll take that over Ludwick ... He swings like a blindfolded kid going after a pinada.

LOL. Only if the pinata is laying on the ground. :p

Patrick Bateman
06-13-2012, 10:33 PM
I'm surprised that Rolen doesn't let Frazier use his glove if it makes that much of a difference.

He must be quite the meany.

He wouldn't split a bottle of red win with Tony in St Lou and Tony flipped out on him.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:33 PM
nasty pitch!

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:33 PM
Damon K's. Nice outing from DatDudeMarshall.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:34 PM
He wouldn't split a bottle of red win with Tony in St Lou and Tony flipped out on him.

Well we know Tony had other sources of red wine as he was quite the drunk. He's probably the one supplying Shelby Miller with his hootch.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:36 PM
Esmil Rogers now pitching for the Native Americans.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:36 PM
Hanigan pops out to shallow right.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:37 PM
I was looking at the schedule, after the indians, we've got the mets, the tribe and then the twins. Have we ever played the Twinkies in interleague play before? I don't remember it if we have.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:37 PM
Negron pinch hitting. And he K's.

WrongVerb
06-13-2012, 10:38 PM
Negron pinch hitting

That was ugly.

Sea Ray
06-13-2012, 10:39 PM
I'm surprised that Rolen doesn't let Frazier use his glove if it makes that much of a difference.

He must be quite the meany.

Yep, he's got some Gold ones to spare

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:41 PM
Heisey K's.

5-2 Reds to the 9th.


Cuban Missile sighting.

klw
06-13-2012, 10:41 PM
That was ugly.

He didn't want to embarrass Costanzo by making contact.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:41 PM
http://oldbluejacket.com/images/DDG-12%20Standard%20Missile%20Launch.jpg

Kc61
06-13-2012, 10:43 PM
will be interesting to see how Chapman pitches tonight. He's had two days rest. Would like to see him mix in the slider and avoid walks.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:44 PM
Shelley Duncan flies out to left.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:45 PM
Throw the SLIDER!!!!

kbrake
06-13-2012, 10:46 PM
Yep, I'd really like to see him mix in some other pitches.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:47 PM
Chisenhall strikes out swinging at ball 4.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:48 PM
Gone.

kbrake
06-13-2012, 10:48 PM
Has to at least show some off speed stuff.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:48 PM
HR Jose Lopez

5-3

Brutus
06-13-2012, 10:49 PM
Got to stop relying on that fastball. No matter how fast, hitters at this level will start catching up to it if that's all you throw.

kbrake
06-13-2012, 10:49 PM
He used to be able to throw that slider for a solid strike. It looks like he has leaned so much on the fastball he has lost the feel for the slider.

Tom Servo
06-13-2012, 10:50 PM
Choo flies out to center. Reds win 5-3. We're still good! :beerme:

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:51 PM
And this one belongs to the Reds! Great games by Latos and Phillips. Somebody, however, needs to sit down with Chapman and get him to mix up his pitches some. 1 slider in a week...ain't gonna do it.

PuffyPig
06-13-2012, 10:51 PM
And this one belongs to the Reds! Great games by Latos and Phillips. Somebody, however, needs to sit down with Chapman and get him to mix up his pitches some. 1 slider in a week...ain't gonna do it.


Chapman isn't calling his own pitches.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 10:52 PM
Chapman isn't calling his own pitches.

Yeah, I know. I should've phrased that differently. The point remains though.

Big Klu
06-13-2012, 10:57 PM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Brandon Phillips - 131
18. Joey Votto - 130
19. Reggie Sanders - 125
20. Ernie Lombardi - 120
21. Sean Casey - 118
22. Jay Bruce - 113
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

Sea Ray
06-13-2012, 10:58 PM
And this one belongs to the Reds! Great games by Latos and Phillips. Somebody, however, needs to sit down with Chapman and get him to mix up his pitches some. 1 slider in a week...ain't gonna do it.

Honest question: does anyone really think Chapman would be an instant success if he stepped into the rotation?

Aside from his having to work his arm into throwing for 6 innings, his entrance into the rotation will be a work in progress and I don't think we can afford to trade in our closer for a work in progress starter. I think he's in the pen for all of 2012 for that reason. The only way I see that changing is if we fall out of the race and we know that ain't happenin'

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2012, 11:01 PM
Honest question: does anyone really think Chapman would be an instant success if he stepped into the rotation?

Aside from his having to work his arm into throwing for 6 innings, his entrance into the rotation will be a work in progress and I don't think we can afford to trade in our closer for a work in progress starter. I think he's in the pen for all of 2012 for that reason. The only way I see that changing is if we fall out of the race and we know that ain't happenin'

I certainly don't. But I also think he should be given a legitimate shot at it. I know I'll get laughed at, but I wouldn't be against stretching him back out after Bray & Masset come back and sending him to Louisville. Bring him back up if there's an injury. But I want him starting.

I always thought benching Marshall was a bad idea. A couple of bad luck games and he's no longer a closer? I never got that. But I want Chapman OUT of the closer role as soon as possible. The longer he's there, the higher the odds that he won't EVER leave it.

Chip R
06-14-2012, 01:22 AM
Honest question: does anyone really think Chapman would be an instant success if he stepped into the rotation?

That depends on your definition of success.

WVRedsFan
06-14-2012, 02:20 AM
Honest question: does anyone really think Chapman would be an instant success if he stepped into the rotation?

Aside from his having to work his arm into throwing for 6 innings, his entrance into the rotation will be a work in progress and I don't think we can afford to trade in our closer for a work in progress starter. I think he's in the pen for all of 2012 for that reason. The only way I see that changing is if we fall out of the race and we know that ain't happenin'

No. Until he learns that he has to use off speed stuff to complement his heat, he will never be a starter -- or a successful closer. It's fun to watch him hit 100+, but as we saw tonight, see him enough and MLB hitters will catch up. Lots of learning to do. I'm betting on him.

BearcatShane
06-14-2012, 02:40 AM
Now look, I didn't play major league baseball and I don't know what goes through Chapmans head. But I'm starting to wonder if the way people react to his fastball is getting into his head. I love seeing the triple didgets as much as the next guy but I'll tell ya what I like even more- seeing him get people out.

Sea Ray
06-14-2012, 10:00 AM
That depends on your definition of success.

Well don't stop there. What kind of success do you think he'd attain this year as a starter? I'd say not enough to help this ballclub reach the playoffs. At best he'd be a 5 inning pitcher

Sea Ray
06-14-2012, 10:03 AM
I certainly don't. But I also think he should be given a legitimate shot at it. I know I'll get laughed at, but I wouldn't be against stretching him back out after Bray & Masset come back and sending him to Louisville. Bring him back up if there's an injury. But I want him starting.

I always thought benching Marshall was a bad idea. A couple of bad luck games and he's no longer a closer? I never got that. But I want Chapman OUT of the closer role as soon as possible. The longer he's there, the higher the odds that he won't EVER leave it.

So basically you're saying that it's OK with you if we remove him from the team while we're in a pennant race. I understand that it's important to get him into the rotation and all but I don't think it's worth jeopardizing our playoff chances. Those only come around once every ten yrs or so around here

kaldaniels
06-14-2012, 10:23 AM
So basically you're saying that it's OK with you if we remove him from the team while we're in a pennant race. I understand that it's important to get him into the rotation and all but I don't think it's worth jeopardizing our playoff chances. Those only come around once every ten yrs or so around here

If one believes the benefit of having him start outweighs having him close, then yes, you remove him from the team for a few weeks or a month.

Second, I reject the premise that the Reds organization is currently a team that makes the playoffs 1 in 10 years going forward.

Sea Ray
06-14-2012, 12:01 PM
If one believes the benefit of having him start outweighs having him close, then yes, you remove him from the team for a few weeks or a month.

Of course but that's what this debate is all about. I don't think the benefits will outweigh losing a valuable member of our bullpen



Second, I reject the premise that the Reds organization is currently a team that makes the playoffs 1 in 10 years going forward.

I hope you're right and with the added WC spot, you very well may be but I don't think we should take these contending yrs lightly either

kaldaniels
06-14-2012, 12:13 PM
Of course but that's what this debate is all about. I don't think the benefits will outweigh losing a valuable member of our bullpen


I hope you're right and with the added WC spot, you very well may be but I don't think we should take these contending yrs lightly either

I wouldn't move him into the rotation this year, but if one believes he can perform great as a starter in the second half, they shouldn't let the "but we are in a pennant race" angle deter them from converting him mid-season.