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Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 04:47 PM
Mat Latos (5-2, 5.20) vs Yovani Gallardo (6-5, 4.22)

Lineups not posted yet, but hey I've got a pretty good W-L record with game threads of late so forgive me. ;)

VottoFan54
06-25-2012, 05:04 PM
Reds:

Cozart SS
Stubbs CF
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Rolen 3B
Ludwick LF
Hanigan C
Latos P

Brewers:

Aoki RF
Morgan CF
Braun LF
Ramirez 3B
Hart 1B
Weeks 2B
Maldonado C
Izturis SS
Gallardo P

OesterPoster
06-25-2012, 05:34 PM
The most important question...is George Grande done or is he doing this series as well?

His 1-5 record this past week is unforgivable.

cumberlandreds
06-25-2012, 06:28 PM
The most important question...is George Grande done or is he doing this series as well?

His 1-5 record this past week is unforgivable.

I hope so. They always seem to on a losing streak when he's around. ;)

powersackers
06-25-2012, 06:47 PM
Stubbs vs. Gallardo:
.235 avg
10 Ks
21 PAs

Good game for the return?

LincolnparkRed
06-25-2012, 07:51 PM
Unless it says Cubs on the front Stubbs line looks that way around baseball

Kc61
06-25-2012, 08:07 PM
Stubbs vs. Gallardo:
.235 avg
10 Ks
21 PAs

Good game for the return?

I think Chris Heisey needs a rest.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:08 PM
Thom and Welsh are tonights TV announcers, for those keeping track of such things.

VR
06-25-2012, 08:10 PM
Good night for Latos to find his stuff.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:10 PM
Stubbs & Rolen back...Frazier to the bench. I feared that.

PuffyPig
06-25-2012, 08:11 PM
Stubbs & Rolen back...Frazier to the bench. I feared that.

Frazier also looks like he could use a day off.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:12 PM
It sure would be nice to see a solid outing from Latos. I've seen one really good start from him this year.

@ PP And I agree Frazier could use a day off...but I fear this might be an all too common occurrence now. I hope I'm wrong.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:13 PM
Leadoff walk to start the game.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:14 PM
damnit

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:15 PM
Bunt hit. Confusion on the part of Brandon & Latos on who was covering. That should've been an out. Joey got to it in good order.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:18 PM
2 on, no outs. Braun up. 18 game hitting streak. Braun is building up quite the PEDigree. (I keed)

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:18 PM
2 on, no outs. Braun up. 18 game hitting streak. Braun is building up quite the PEDigree.
:thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:19 PM
K

Kc61
06-25-2012, 08:20 PM
That pitch to Braun is the pitch Chapman should have thrown Willingham. High fastball slightly out of the zone.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:20 PM
That looked awfully good. Just missed I guess.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:22 PM
Aramis flies out to center. Aoki advances to third. 2 down.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 08:23 PM
As much as he frustrates me with the strikeouts, it was good to see Stubbs out there to catch the second out.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:23 PM
Corey Hart up.

Is it just me, or does Hart look like he should be wearing a plaid shirt and carrying an axe?

VR
06-25-2012, 08:24 PM
Corey Hart up.

Is it just me, or does Hart look like he should be wearing a plaid shirt and carrying an axe?

so easy a caveman could do it

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:24 PM
Marty must be having a little mini-fit right now. Third to first move. :O)

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:25 PM
Great job by Latos.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:25 PM
KK

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:26 PM
Let's hope the Reds hitters were paying attention. The first two batters want to try to reach...first...base. Say it with me kids. Reach...first...base. Good. Now YOU try it. :O)

VR
06-25-2012, 08:27 PM
Disaster averted....very nice recovery.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 08:28 PM
Let's hope the Reds hitters were paying attention. The first two batters want to try to reach...first...base. Say it with me kids. Reach...first...base. Good. Now YOU try it. :O)

I guess the first guy wasn't paying attention. One out.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:28 PM
Cozart pops out to right field/second base.

VR
06-25-2012, 08:29 PM
Pirates trail 3-0 in the 1st.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 08:29 PM
Cozart pops out to right field/second base.

Cozart could have been more patient there. First one was a ball, then he swung at one that looked off the plate.

Stubbs taking some pitches, now 3-1.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:29 PM
Lesson learned by one of them. :clap:

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:29 PM
Stubbs does in one at-bat what Heisey couldn't do in approximately 9000000.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:31 PM
Dusty running us out of innings again.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 08:31 PM
Dusty running us out of innings again.

Don't be upset. At least there was no bunt that inning.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:31 PM
*sigh* Hit and run....fly out by Votto. DP. Good idea, poor execution. No, that's not a bad call by Dusty.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:33 PM
*sigh* Hit and run....fly out by Votto. DP. Good idea, poor execution. No, that's not a bad call by Dusty.
With a guy like Votto up, I just let him swing and don't risk anything. If it were Phillips up, I'm okay with sending him.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:33 PM
I think Dusty made the right call there. We DO need to be more aggressive on the basepaths. We've been very passive this season in that regard.

kbrake
06-25-2012, 08:33 PM
A guy not named Votto took a walk. I'm happy.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:34 PM
KKK

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:35 PM
Phillies up 4-0 already on the Buccos.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:35 PM
Beat me to it Tom. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:35 PM
KKKK

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:36 PM
After those first 2 batters, he's looking like a different guy. I like it!

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:36 PM
Latos has the Brewers swinging at everything right now.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:37 PM
1-2-3! Grounder to Votto. Nice easy inning. 9 pitches. 21 in the first.

PuffyPig
06-25-2012, 08:37 PM
That pitch to Braun is the pitch Chapman should have thrown Willingham. High fastball slightly out of the zone.

Which would have walked him......

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:40 PM
Line drive out to right center from Phillips. I thought that had collision written all over it.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:43 PM
Thought Bruce almost had that one, just didn't quite have enough power behind it.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:43 PM
Jay with a solid ab. Ends up with a deep drive to center. 2 down. Solid wood on the ball...sign of things to come? Hopefully.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:46 PM
Rolen out on strikes. He's kinda pissed about it too. He clearly thought it was ball 4. Sorry Scott. It was in the zone.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 08:46 PM
Rolen's strike three pitch looked to be right in the middle of his shins. Looks like the low strike may be in play today.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:49 PM
KKKKK

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 08:49 PM
Latos makes Gallardo look like the .103 hitter that he has been this season on a three-pitch strikeout.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:50 PM
Ground out. 2 down. He's just POUNDING the zone.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:50 PM
20 consecutive strikes thrown.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 08:50 PM
Latos really peppering the strike zone- 9/10 first pitch strikes, 19 straight strikes. 28 strikes, 7 balls.

Sir Charles, you and I are on almost the exact same wavelength! Now if only I can convince you that Rolen's strike 3 pitch was low.... :P

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:51 PM
KKKKKK

WOW! Who IS this guy?!?

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:51 PM
Latos really peppering the strike zone- 9/10 first pitch strikes, 19 straight strikes. 28 strikes, 7 balls.

Sir Charles, you and I are on almost the exact same wavelength! Now if only I can convince you that Rolen's strike 3 pitch was low.... :P

No, I agree with you. It WAS low. Just low in the zone. *grin*

PuffyPig
06-25-2012, 08:52 PM
Latos, after 3 innings, on pace for 18 K's on 114 pitches.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:53 PM
38 pitches. 7 balls, 31 strikes. 6 k's, 1 bb, 1 hit. Since those first 2 batters...he's been a monster.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 08:55 PM
Which would have walked him......

Exactly right, unless Willingham swung at it. And if he swung at it he would have missed it or popped up.

And if he walked, the Twins would have had two on, but the Reds would still be leading.

Once Chapman fell behind 3-1 the last thing I wanted was for him to fear the walk. Well, Aroldis avoided the walk. His walk rate was not hurt. His won-lost record was hurt.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:56 PM
Ludwick grounded out to short btw.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:57 PM
HANNY!

LOL. I thought he was going to try for 3 there. Solid double!

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:58 PM
Latos up. This is a BAD swing folks.

LOL. And that's why I'm not a coach. Latos with a single. :O)

Kc61
06-25-2012, 08:58 PM
Hanigan doubles. Ryan has had a rough month or so, with only two extra base hits in that period before today.

Good to see him get the double.

Latos singles.

Mr. Baker, glad you decided not to bunt, for a change.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 08:59 PM
good one cozart

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 08:59 PM
Cozart ALMOST beat it out. DP to end the inning. Crud.

OesterPoster
06-25-2012, 08:59 PM
Looked safe. Need another look.

Degenerate39
06-25-2012, 08:59 PM
Something has to be done with the top of the order. There I said it

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:00 PM
Hanigan doubles. Ryan has had a rough month or so, with only two extra base hits in that period before today.

Good to see him get the double.

Latos singles.

Mr. Baker, glad you decided not to bunt, for a change.

Latos is a pretty horrible bunter. I think that factored into it.

PuffyPig
06-25-2012, 09:01 PM
Hanigan doubles. Ryan has had a rough month or so, with only two extra base hits in that period before today.

Good to see him get the double.

Latos singles.

Mr. Baker, glad you decided not to bunt, for a change.

I don't think that Baker has bunted all year with a runner on second, one out.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:01 PM
Latos is a pretty horrible bunter. I think that factored into it.

Hanigan is also a glacial runner. Swinging away was the best choice there, in my opinion.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:02 PM
Hanigan is also a glacial runner. Swinging away was the best choice there, in my opinion.

Yep. I think PuffyPig is right too though. I sure can't remember him doing it.

PuffyPig
06-25-2012, 09:03 PM
Yep. I think PuffyPig is right too though. I sure can't remember him doing it.



There is no reason to ever do it really. Unless it's for a base hit.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:03 PM
Grounder to Phillips. 1 down.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:03 PM
I don't think that Baker has bunted all year with a runner on second, one out.

With the pitcher up, it's always a risk.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:04 PM
And the string is broken. 23 strikes in a row.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:04 PM
And the streak ends at 24 straight strikes thrown.

powersackers
06-25-2012, 09:04 PM
We need Phillips back at lead off.

Phillips
Stubbs
Votto
Rolen vs rhp ludwick vs lhp
Bruce
Frazier vs lhp Heisey vs rhp
Cozart
Hanigan/Mes

So obvious.

PuffyPig
06-25-2012, 09:04 PM
With the pitcher up, it's always a risk.

I don't think there is much risk of Baker calling a bunt in a situation I've never seen him do.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:04 PM
Flyout to Stubbs. 2 down.

hebroncougar
06-25-2012, 09:04 PM
And the streak ends at 24 straight strikes thrown.

Thanks Thom Brennamen.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:05 PM
Thanks Thom Brennamen.

I only let my girlfriend call me that. :lol:

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:05 PM
1-2-3 after the flyout to Bruce. 6 pitch inning. He's on cruise control. Keep it going Mat. (and let's limit those flyouts please...on a day like today those things tend to carry a bit)

PuffyPig
06-25-2012, 09:06 PM
Pirates down 5-1, Cards down 1-0.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:06 PM
I don't think there is much risk of Baker calling a bunt in a situation I've never seen him do.

Times like this make me wish that I had any way at all to look it up, because I feel like I remember a bunt or two with a runner on second, even just this season.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:07 PM
be right back.

PuffyPig
06-25-2012, 09:08 PM
Times like this make me wish that I had any way at all to look it up, because I feel like I remember a bunt or two with a runner on second, even just this season.

Sure with no outs, or runners on first or second.

But one out and a runner on second? Unless the hitter was clearly bunting for a base hit, I can't recall ever seeing it.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 09:09 PM
big stubby!

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:09 PM
Wait...Latos throwing lights out...and Stubbs getting on base?!?!? My head is spinning.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:09 PM
Stubbs laces a double to the right field corner to lead off the inning.

PuffyPig
06-25-2012, 09:09 PM
big stubby!

That's what she said.....

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:10 PM
Stubbs really does seem more confident hitting second. It cuts off the running game a bit, but Drew his better in that spot.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:11 PM
BB to Votto. They wanted NOTHING to do with him. And rightfully so.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:11 PM
Votto works a walk, so the Reds have runners on first and second with no out and Phillips coming up.

Degenerate39
06-25-2012, 09:11 PM
I'd be tempted to bunt with Phillips :-/

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:12 PM
I'd be tempted to bunt with Phillips :-/

No bunting allowed.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:12 PM
I'd be tempted to bunt with Phillips :-/

Quick! Buy a lottery ticket! :O)

Degenerate39
06-25-2012, 09:12 PM
No bunting allowed.

:D

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:12 PM
Kc61 and Degenerate39 are going to have a cage match after that bunt.

kbrake
06-25-2012, 09:12 PM
I'm ok with it. Offense is scuffling and that was almost a hit.

Degenerate39
06-25-2012, 09:12 PM
Bruce will hit a home run now

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 09:13 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuuce!

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:13 PM
BRUUUUUCE! A shot off the wall! 2-0 Reds!

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:13 PM
Bruce will hit a home run now

Wrong by about 10 feet on the Bruce opposite field double over Braun's head.

kbrake
06-25-2012, 09:13 PM
Bruce will hit a home run now

Clueless. :)

Degenerate39
06-25-2012, 09:13 PM
Clueless. :)

So close!

PuffyPig
06-25-2012, 09:14 PM
Bunting with runners on first and second and no outs is OK with a good hitter as long as he's trying for a base hit, with the sacrifice as a consolation prize.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:14 PM
It shows you what happens with good hitters.

The bunt worked.

And both runs scored.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:15 PM
LOL. Did you see that sly look Rolen gave the ump. He looks pissed.

powersackers
06-25-2012, 09:15 PM
I think Votto's oppo philosophy is rubbing off on Jay. You can see it the last few games.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 09:16 PM
lol ump hates Rolen

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:16 PM
MAN! It happened AGAIN! Called out on what he thought was ball 4. That one WAS out of the zone. He's got a legit beef.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:17 PM
lol ump hates Rolen

I think the feeling is mutual.

NJReds
06-25-2012, 09:19 PM
Outside and low .. Not sure what the ump was looking at.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:19 PM
Outside and low .. Not sure what the ump was looking at.

I think he was pissed that Rolen was showing him up.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:19 PM
Ludwick works the walk.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:21 PM
Men on 1st & 2nd for Hanigan. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:22 PM
Ryan grounds out to 2nd to end the inning. 2-0 Reds though after 4.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:23 PM
*cue the gallen5862 "thanks for the pbp" post* :O) just kidding.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:24 PM
It looks like a pretty decent crowd. Especially for a Monday night. It seems like the attendance is taking a turn for the better this year.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:25 PM
Weeks looks really lost.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:25 PM
It looks like a pretty decent crowd. Especially for a Monday night. It seems like the attendance is taking a turn for the better this year.

The promotion for this series was also a great one. They took away $4 from certain ticket prices for each Reds win in the previous homestand (not against the Twins, but the one before).

It's shaping up to be a good summer for the Reds attendance.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:26 PM
KKKKKKK

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:26 PM
Weeks looks really lost.

Weeks is swinging at everything and strikes out there.

Reminds me of one of the Reds, not playing tonight, no names mentioned.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:26 PM
The promotion for this series was also a great one. They took away $4 from certain ticket prices for each Reds win in the previous homestand (not against the Twins, but the one before).

It's shaping up to be a good summer for the Reds attendance.

Cool. Didn't know that. That's a neat idea.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:27 PM
Great bunt hit there from Maldonado. Perfectly placed.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:27 PM
bunt single.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:28 PM
Pop out to short. 2 down.

alloverjr
06-25-2012, 09:28 PM
It looks like a pretty decent crowd. Especially for a Monday night. It seems like the attendance is taking a turn for the better this year.

Kid Glove Night I believe

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:29 PM
Grounder to Phillips. Another great inning. 9 pitch inning. After throwing 21 in the first, he's at 53 pitches through the 5th. Only NINE balls thrown. 44 strikes. That ridiculous!

OesterPoster
06-25-2012, 09:29 PM
Kid Glove Night I believe

Those are all finished. It is the "you win when the Reds win" promotion.

WrongVerb
06-25-2012, 09:33 PM
Stubbs really does seem more confident hitting second. It cuts off the running game a bit, but Drew his better in that spot.

That's something I've been an advocate of since last season. Hitting in front of Votto he's seeing a lot more fastballs. Now just to get a cleanup LF so Phillips can move to leadoff.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:33 PM
Latos strikes out to start the 5th.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:33 PM
That's something I've been an advocate of since last season. Hitting in front of Votto he's seeing a lot more fastballs. Now just to get a cleanup LF so Phillips can move to leadoff.

Then again...EVERYONE is a better hitter hitting in front of Votto. It's a matter of how much better. :O)

KittyDuran
06-25-2012, 09:34 PM
Those are all finished. It is the "you win when the Reds win" promotion.

And you have the slices and scoops promo as well. If the Reds pitchers record 11 strikes with that game ticket you will receive a small LaRosa's pizza and a voucher for a scoop of UDF ice cream.

alloverjr
06-25-2012, 09:34 PM
Those are all finished. It is the "you win when the Reds win" promotion.

My brother took half his kid's team to the game tonight. I assumed it was something to do with the Kid Glove deal. I mean, it's not like he was going to pay regular price for them :).

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:34 PM
Phillies up 7-2 on the Pirates. (5th)
Cards down 2-0 to the Fish. (5th)
Cubs & Mets, no score.
Astros 2, Padres 4 in the 2nd

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:35 PM
Cozart works the free pass.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:36 PM
Drew K's on 3 pitches.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:37 PM
Votto with a rocket, but Weeks nabs it. 2-0 reds after 5 full.

mbgrayson
06-25-2012, 09:37 PM
After five innings, Reds 2, Brewers 0.

Latos at 53 pitches, 44 strikes.
Gallardo at 87 pitches, 47 strikes.

How we looking?

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:40 PM
All of a sudden, Latos has lost his release point. Nearly airmails one, then bounces one in front of the dish, then airmails another. Then grooved. Dinger Aoki. 2-1 Reds.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:41 PM
nm

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 09:41 PM
damnit

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:43 PM
Nice play by Cozart to get Morgan. 1 down.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:43 PM
Latos allows a lot of homers. That pitch was grooved.

Now Cozart makes a nice play to get Morgan.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:44 PM
LOL, this umpire calls some low strikes.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:44 PM
KKKKKKKK

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:45 PM
If this game stays close, the Reds might need a closer.

Oh, the intrigue.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:45 PM
LOL, this umpire calls some low strikes.

As long as he's consistent about it, I've got ZERO problems with that. It's an erratic zone that drives me nuts.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:46 PM
KKKKKKKKK

Well, he re-discovered his release point I'd say. :O)

Latos at 70 pitches. 14 for balls.

2-1 reds heading to the bottom of the 6th.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 09:50 PM
some more runs would be nice

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:51 PM
Low strike to Phillips avoids the walk. Weird that the ump is calling that pitch a strike.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:51 PM
Brandon flies out to Aoki. 1 down.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:52 PM
Low strike to Phillips avoids the walk. Weird that the ump is calling that pitch a strike.

I agree. That pitch is noticeably low (about 3" lower than a usual bottom of the zone) and disturbingly consistent.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:53 PM
Okay, that zone seems to be sinking by the inning now.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:53 PM
...and it comes back, again. A pitch that looks to cross at the ankles is called a strike.

WrongVerb
06-25-2012, 09:53 PM
I don't think Gallardo believed that was a strike to Bruce.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:54 PM
Bruce stinging the ball tonight. Out to Morgan. 2 down.

As for the zone, some of the credit should go to both catchers. They're both framing pitches VERY well. It "shouldn't" affect the zone...but it does.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:54 PM
Some of these umpires really impact the game. Reds should have two baserunners here on walks. Instead, two outs. Rolen up.

WrongVerb
06-25-2012, 09:54 PM
Maldonado is setting up with his glove at Rolen's shins

757690
06-25-2012, 09:54 PM
I agree. That pitch is noticeably low (about 3" lower than a usual bottom of the zone) and disturbingly consistent.

If it's consistent, I don't have a problem with it. Hitters need to adjust.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:55 PM
If it's consistent, I don't have a problem with it. Hitters need to adjust.

Yep. No question.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 09:55 PM
If it's consistent, I don't have a problem with it. Hitters need to adjust.

I think a strike should be a pitch in the strike zone. I don't think umpires should have the ability to have their own special strike zones.

Inconsistent is obviously worse, but this ump is affecting the game with his unusual strike zone.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 09:55 PM
If it's consistent, I don't have a problem with it. Hitters need to adjust.

It is much more weird than it is annoying or problematic.

kbrake
06-25-2012, 09:56 PM
That seemed like more of a strike than either of the first 2 pitches Rolen was rung up on.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:56 PM
Rolen K's looking. Again. 3 k's on the night for Scott. First 2 were clearly debatable though.

2-1 Reds after 6.

WebScorpion
06-25-2012, 09:59 PM
Latos at 70 pitches, Gallardo at 107. :eek:

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 09:59 PM
It sure would be nice to give Latos a bit of a cushion. He has been fantastic tonight.

mbgrayson
06-25-2012, 09:59 PM
After six innings, Reds 2, Brewers 1.

Latos at 70 pitches, 56 strikes.
Gallardo at 107 pitches, 59 strikes.

RedlegJake
06-25-2012, 09:59 PM
This is the Latos we traded for

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:00 PM
KKKKKKKKKK

Pretty pitch!

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:01 PM
It sure would be nice to give Latos a bit of a cushion. He has been fantastic tonight.

Brewers have a good pitcher going too. Of course, he's over 100 pitches so maybe the Reds will see the bullpen soon.

Tonight you can see why Latos was such a prized property when on the market.

He has an outstanding fastball and an outstanding breaking ball.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:01 PM
Weeks with a double down the RF line.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 10:02 PM
Weeks with a double down the RF line.
If a Red hit that it would have been called foul. :(

RedlegJake
06-25-2012, 10:02 PM
That was a nice bare handed grab by Bruce off the wall to keep the ball from betting by him too

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:03 PM
That was a nice bare handed grab by Bruce off the wall to keep the ball from betting by him too

Jay's gone to the Brandon Phillips school of barehanded defense. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:03 PM
KKKKKKKKKKK

Gas!

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:05 PM
Kottaras PH'ing

KittyDuran
06-25-2012, 10:06 PM
KKKKKKKKKKK

Gas!Free pizza and ice cream for the folks at the ballpark!

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 10:06 PM
damn

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:06 PM
4 pitch walk. 85 pitches for Latos.

RedlegJake
06-25-2012, 10:06 PM
walks Kottaras on 4 straight

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:07 PM
Now Ishikawa ph'ing for Gallardo.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:07 PM
Thank goodness THAT was foul.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:08 PM
Don't fear the walk, Mat.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 10:08 PM
Thank goodness THAT was foul.
you ain't lyin

WrongVerb
06-25-2012, 10:08 PM
If the Brewers are going to pinch hit for Gallardo, why not force their hand by walking the #8 hitter to get to the pitcher's spot?

OesterPoster
06-25-2012, 10:09 PM
Atta boy for Latos.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:09 PM
Grounder to Phillips to end the inning. He labored that inning it seemed. I'd be getting somebody warm.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:09 PM
Hopefully the Reds will have some relievers ready for the eighth. Even if Mat starts the inning, he should be on a short leash.

Now, at this point, I don't know WHICH relievers, but some kind of relief pitcher should be getting ready. Or maybe two of them.

RedlegJake
06-25-2012, 10:10 PM
whew, he hung that first pitch to Ishi and really started getting his pitches up most of the inning which he hadn't done all night - yeah I think he's getting tired

VR
06-25-2012, 10:11 PM
Hopefully the Reds will have some relievers ready for the eighth. Even if Mat starts the inning, he should be on a short leash.

Now, at this point, I don't know WHICH relievers, but some kind of relief pitcher should be getting ready. Or maybe two of them.

KC.....you missed your cue by an inning. Did you doze off? ;)

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:11 PM
7-3 Phillies (7th)
2-1 Marlins (7th)

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 10:11 PM
Latos got that ERA back under 5 for now

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:12 PM
Ludwick with a sharp grounder to 3rd. 1 down.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:12 PM
KC.....you missed your cue by an inning. Did you doze off? ;)

Good catch on your part.

I started to post something last inning. But Latos was pitching so great, even I couldn't give my nightly warning that early.

Now, in a one run game, I felt I had no choice.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:13 PM
Hanigan with a foul out down the RF line. 2 down.

Latos hitting for himself.

klw
06-25-2012, 10:13 PM
Just got in from the office.. did the Reds seriously have their cleanup hitter sacrifice with no one out in the 4th inning?

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 10:14 PM
Just got in from the office.. did the Reds seriously have their cleanup hitter sacrifice with no one out in the 4th inning?
Yes, and it worked. :dunno:

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:14 PM
LOL. Seriously?!? Latos with another hit.

Plus Plus
06-25-2012, 10:14 PM
Just got in from the office.. did the Reds seriously have their cleanup hitter sacrifice with no one out in the 4th inning?

Phillips was bunting for a hit, and got thrown out, which made it go down as a sacrifice.

Gallen5862
06-25-2012, 10:14 PM
Thanks for the pbp. This post is for Sir Charles. :)

RedlegJake
06-25-2012, 10:14 PM
Our pitchers are some of our best hitters

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:14 PM
Hart with a 9.5 landing on that one. Heck of an effort.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:14 PM
Latos singles. Before that, when he got to the plate, Mat had a huge grin on his face.

I'm sure he's delighted to have done so well tonight after that last outing in Cleveland.

Corey Hart flips right into the dugout trying to catch a Cozart foul.

klw
06-25-2012, 10:14 PM
Phillips was bunting for a hit, and got thrown out, which made it go down as a sacrifice.

Oh okay that's not crazy

Degenerate39
06-25-2012, 10:15 PM
Bailey saved the day

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:15 PM
Thanks for the pbp. This post is for Sir Charles. :)

LOL. You saw that did you? *grin*

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:16 PM
Cozart K's to end the inning. On to the 8th boys.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 10:16 PM
end the madness and get Cozart out of the leadoff spot

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:17 PM
Top of the order coming up for the Crew. Two lefties then the long ball righties Braun, Ramirez, Hart.

So we should get Arredondo ready to pitch to the righties if Mat has trouble.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:19 PM
Ondrusek warming.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:20 PM
Aoki pops out to Stubbs. 1 down.

He's still elevating this inning.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:20 PM
Aoki pops to center. Very nice pitch by Latos, off speed breaking ball completely fooled the hitter.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:20 PM
Nyger takes that low strike. 0-1.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:21 PM
Morgan grounds out to Phillips. 2 down for Braun.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:22 PM
Braun 0 for 3 tonight with 2 strikeouts. Ryan looking very PEDestrian tonight.

Patrick Bateman
06-25-2012, 10:22 PM
Braun 0 for 3 tonight with 2 strikeouts. Ryan looking very PEDestrian tonight.

:lol:

kbrake
06-25-2012, 10:22 PM
Can't believe you just posted that in the middle of his AB in a one run game.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:23 PM
KKKKKKKKKKKK

boom! Sit down!

OesterPoster
06-25-2012, 10:23 PM
It'll be interesting to check the stats after the game and see the % of sliders Latos has thrown tonight.

RedlegJake
06-25-2012, 10:23 PM
Wow! 12 Ks and #12 is Braun who was outmatched on that at bat

Gallen5862
06-25-2012, 10:23 PM
It seems that Latos is pitching great tonight.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:24 PM
Win, lose, or draw, if Latos can pitch like this that trade was a great one for the Reds. Don't know how his career turns out, but in terms of potential, this guy is off the charts.

12 Ks against the Brew crew. But even more impressive, his heater is fabulous and his breaking ball is equally excellent.

Guy is a potential ace, now needs consistency. Wow, great outing.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:24 PM
Can't believe you just posted that in the middle of his AB in a one run game.

LOL. I was going to mention that his 18 game hitting streak was on the line too. :O)

kbrake
06-25-2012, 10:24 PM
LOL. I was going to mention that his 18 game hitting streak was on the line too. :O)

You're much braver than I haha. I'd let Latos finish this.

reds44
06-25-2012, 10:25 PM
Let him finish.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 10:25 PM
big stubby

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:25 PM
Single to lead off the inning. Bloop hit. Drew will take it.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:25 PM
With Ramirez, a home run righty coming up to lead off the ninth, I think Latos gets to begin the ninth. There's no pitcher in the bullpen I trust more against Ramirez than Latos right now.

Tom Servo
06-25-2012, 10:25 PM
Let him finish.
A-B-C


anybody but chapman :scared:

Patrick Bateman
06-25-2012, 10:26 PM
Dominating performance by Latos... IMO no other pitcher on the staff is really capable of games like that. Cueto just doesnt overpower like that, more of a control guy that gets K with good location. Great job by Latos.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:26 PM
Let him finish.

Absolutely.

MikeS21
06-25-2012, 10:26 PM
You gotta wonder when Latos gets a couple more years of maturity on him, that some of these inconsistent starts will become fewer and further between. At that point, the Reds may have a legitimate ace on their hands.

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:27 PM
A-B-C


anybody but chapman :scared:

I wouldn't rule out Chapman later in the inning if there is trouble.

But against Ramirez and Hart, two righty home run threats? ABC.

lollipopcurve
06-25-2012, 10:27 PM
Latos, pure filth tonight. Best stuff I've seen from a Reds starter this year.

Tony Cloninger
06-25-2012, 10:28 PM
I guarantee....for all those here who are saying let him finish it....and he goes out there and the Brewers tie it on one swing....there will be a swarm of WTF? posts coming from other posters.

Degenerate39
06-25-2012, 10:28 PM
Imagine if Latos does this the rest of the year or the majority of his remaining starts.

Brutus
06-25-2012, 10:28 PM
I guarantee....for all those here who are saying let him finish it....and he goes out there and the Brewers tie it on one swing....there will be a swarm of WTF? posts coming from other posters.

You are definitely not new here lol

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:28 PM
Time for some add-on! Let's go Joey!

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:28 PM
Lefty comes in to face Votto, LOL.

kaldaniels
06-25-2012, 10:29 PM
Tip of the hat to Stubbs as well.

_Sir_Charles_
06-25-2012, 10:29 PM
Imagine if Latos does this the rest of the year or the majority of his remaining starts.

Look at Latos' ball/strike ratio tonight. I don't think it's fair to EVER expect that from anybody. :O)

Kc61
06-25-2012, 10:30 PM
Thom going through Votto's June stats. The player of the month award for the NL will be no contest.

Tony Cloninger
06-25-2012, 10:30 PM
You are definitely not new here lol

:laugh:

I'm no Phi Beta Kappa....but i know some things and that is......that.