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Tony Cloninger
07-04-2012, 06:56 PM
Sorry for the hyperbole...... But it's the 4th of July.

Zack Cozart 6
Drew Stubbs 8
Joey Votto 3
Brandon Phillips 4
Jay Bruce 9
Ryan Ludwick 7
Todd Frazier 5
Devin Mesoraco 2
Mike Leake RHP

vs. RH Aaron Harang. Harang pitched against the Reds once in 2002 for Oakland. He went six innings and allowed a run in 5-3 A’s win.

Only four Reds have faced Harang: Miguel Cairo (0-for-1), Scott Rolen (5-for-31), Wilson Valdez (2-for-3) and Ryan Ludwick (14-for-33). Ludwick has three home runs and nine RBI.


All info starting with the lineup....has been copyrighted with reluctunace from John Fay. (the misspelling is in honor of John Fay)

Tony Cloninger
07-04-2012, 07:00 PM
It does bear saying that it truly boggles the mind that this manager cannot see fit to change or move around players in the lineup ....at least once in a while.

Pure laziness cannot just be an issue......and I do not mean putting Cozart and Heisey as #1 and #2.

Ludwick has killed Harang....even if it was long ago and probably most of it at Cincy....but would he not be a better fit as #4? Does not Baker sometimes use stats to justify starting 1 person over another based on their hitting record?

Is he this obtuse? Does no one lend an ear and give any suggestions to him? I man someone he at least respects...beacuse it's sure not bloggers, posters and writers.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 07:34 PM
I think the Dodgers should hold Harang in reserve in case the game goes into extra innings. He was very good in that outing against San Diego years ago.

powersackers
07-04-2012, 07:49 PM
I am so glad this is just baseball and nothing too important rides on the decisions of Baker, his staff and the front office. Stubbs hitting second is complete incompetence. If your using him for just his glove don't handicap our scoring chances like we have for 24 straight at bats. Laughable.

PuffyPig
07-04-2012, 09:07 PM
Stubbs hitting second is complete incompetence.

His lifetime OPS batting second is about .800.

powersackers
07-04-2012, 10:09 PM
His lifetime OPS batting second is about .800.

So that makes it make sense to hit him there tonight?

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:13 PM
Am I the only one getting the Dodgers feed on FSN right now?

Not that I mind Vin Scully.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 10:13 PM
Stubbs is 0 for his last 24. Now for 25.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:15 PM
Double for Joey.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 10:16 PM
Scully says Votto is undoubtedly the best left handed hitter in the major leagues right now.

mth123
07-04-2012, 10:16 PM
Scully says Votto is undoubtedly the best left handed hitter in the major leagues right now.

Vin has always known what's what.

CrackerJack
07-04-2012, 10:16 PM
Another double with no one on base for Votto - and the beat goes on there

Kc61
07-04-2012, 10:17 PM
Another double with no one on base for Votto - and the beat goes on there

Reds will fix this at the All Star break. To speculate.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:18 PM
typical Reds first inning

Cedric
07-04-2012, 10:18 PM
Another wasted Votto double. Hitting Cozart and Stubbs 1-2 is a lineup killer. And I rarely complain about lineup order.

kbrake
07-04-2012, 10:18 PM
Can't help but feel like we're wasting all these Votto doubles with the fact that Dusty/Walt refuses to put anyone in front of him who can get on base.

Plus Plus
07-04-2012, 10:19 PM
The out factory of Cozart and Stubbs hitting in front of the best Reds hitter in a generation is absolute lunacy.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 10:21 PM
The out factory of Cozart and Stubbs hitting in front of the best Reds hitter in a generation is absolute lunacy.

Thankfully, the Reds signed Votto for big money.

They HAVE to fix the tablesetter problem.

The fact that they haven't changed the batting order suggests that they will change personnel.

It will happen.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:22 PM
Well that's a pretty bad start. 1-0 Dodgers.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:24 PM
Leake is dealing so far.

Plus Plus
07-04-2012, 10:25 PM
Dodgers start with three straight hits. Runners on the corners, one already in, and nobody out.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:25 PM
Could we have a mulligan?

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:26 PM
4 batters, 4 hits. 2-0 Dodgers.

Plus Plus
07-04-2012, 10:26 PM
Four straight. 2-0.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:26 PM
I didn't realize they were broadcasting batting practice tonight. Oh wait.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:30 PM
of course

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:30 PM
Wow.

Plus Plus
07-04-2012, 10:30 PM
A throwing error on a double play ball leads to another run.

Tony Cloninger
07-04-2012, 10:30 PM
No kemp...No Ethier....no problem. Everything's fine. Playing small ball is awesome.....makes Dusty get involved in the game so he can over manage it later.

yab1112
07-04-2012, 10:32 PM
On the bright side...there's more than enough time for a comeback :dunno:

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:32 PM
On the bright side...their's more than enough time for a comeback :dunno:Much more optimism out of you and I'll throw you out of here.

This is a Game Thread!

This is SPAARTAAA!!!

:p

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:34 PM
I do remember Harang being unable to hold a lead every now and then.

yab1112
07-04-2012, 10:34 PM
Much more optimism out of you and I'll throw you out of here.

This is a Game Thread!

Sorry, it was a moment of weakness.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:34 PM
Had to plunk him.

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/the-movie-picture.jpg

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 10:35 PM
I do remember Harang being unable to hold a lead every now and then.

Yeah, especially against this offense.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:36 PM
nice recovery by Cozart, I was ready to go nuts on him

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:36 PM
Sorry, it was a moment of weakness.Better not let it happen again!

http://www.drundel.com/cartmen.gif

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 10:36 PM
Geez Cozart.

So, regardless of the number of runs Leake gives up, do you leave him in for his bat? ;)

Tony Cloninger
07-04-2012, 10:37 PM
I do remember Harang being unable to hold a lead every now and then.

I drink to his milkshake!....or something like that.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:39 PM
I drink to his milkshake!....or something like that.My milkshake makes all the Reds' hits leave the yard? ;)

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:40 PM
Aaron's Aces K's Bruce's Battalion

Tony Cloninger
07-04-2012, 10:41 PM
My milkshake makes all the Reds' hits leave the yard? ;)


I was following my There Will be Blood theme....but sure.....knock yourself out with that song...and my visions of a fat suited Ben Stiller....eating and stuff....at the end of Dodgeball.

kbrake
07-04-2012, 10:41 PM
Baseball just isn't much fun when things are going poorly.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:42 PM
I was following my There Will be Blood theme....but sure.....knock yourself out with that song...and my visions of a fat suited Ben Stiller....eating and stuff....at the end of Dodgeball.Ah, I'm totally clueless when it comes to There Will Be Blood, LOL. Whoops. :D

Cedric
07-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Mike Leake can't even get this Dodgers lineup out. Pretty depressing.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Baseball just isn't much fun when things are going poorly.I HATE BASEBALL!

...Until I don't anymore.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Baseball just isn't much fun when things are going poorly.
True that. I try and think of times that were worse to make myself feel better. Remember when Paul Wilson gave up 8 runs against the Dodgers and got removed with no outs and Dan O was laughing about it? Or when Ryan Franklin came into the game in extra innings and threw one pitch that Ramon Martinez promptly hit out to give the Dodgers the late night win?

The Operator
07-04-2012, 10:45 PM
You know who else I hate? KEITH HERNANDEZ!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFsTTmM_wZb1k6e5YZLHrRa12xb1aCD qorAzWDjBcyH2U5jBio3IWyybUMUA

kbrake
07-04-2012, 10:45 PM
True that. I try and think of times that were worse to make myself feel better. Remember when Paul Wilson gave up 8 runs against the Dodgers and got removed with no outs and Dan O was laughing about it? Or when Ryan Franklin came into the game in extra innings and threw one pitch that Ramon Martinez promptly hit out to give the Dodgers the late night win?

No I honestly don't remember those. I do remember Nick Masset giving up a grand slam to Manny a couple years ago. That was even less fun than right now. Or Matt Kemp last year off I believe Ondrusek that really didn't go over well at my house.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:47 PM
yeah this is one of those kind of games

Raisor
07-04-2012, 10:47 PM
Had to plunk him.

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/the-movie-picture.jpg



"....and Joe Pepitone or not, I own the inside of the plate."

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 10:47 PM
Not exactly getting stellar defense behind him tonight

Tony Cloninger
07-04-2012, 10:48 PM
I know this is a Game Thread.....but i can see where the dislike of Dusty ...finally....now....comes from. I would go back and forth on it before....but he just seems to be hiding out here, not challenged much about his wacked out ways of creating a lineup and thinking about how an offense is supposed to generate runs.

My 2 favorite teams are the Reds and Bengals and they are both relics of offensive thinking of the 70's...and they are both in Cincy. It's awesome.

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 10:52 PM
Liked that AB from Mez. Didn't chase pitcher's strikes until 3-2. Let Leake hit

kbrake
07-04-2012, 10:54 PM
I won't be able to watch this all night. Dusty is really driving me nuts.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:55 PM
Dodgers are trying to keep us in this one.

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 10:55 PM
2 on for Stubbs. How about breaking the string?

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:57 PM
Stubbs looks at one down the middle, lays off one in the dirt, and then swings at one in the exact same spot as the previous one.

He really has no clue up there, does he?

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 10:57 PM
at least he didn't spike himself

Plus Plus
07-04-2012, 10:59 PM
I'm going to be off making my Dexter Fowler shrine, so I might not post a ton for the rest of the game.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 10:59 PM
Votto can't come through EVERY time, a deep flyout to center. Reds refuse the Dodgers willingness to let them back in the game.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:06 PM
3-0 after 3. Nothing terribly exciting.

kbrake
07-04-2012, 11:06 PM
Found Independence Day on AMC, I'll see you guys later.

Tony Cloninger
07-04-2012, 11:07 PM
You know i really must have something to do besides this.......and reading the Enquirer boards, which you cannot post unless you are on Facebook...... in order to spar with the idiots who defend Dusty logic.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:09 PM
I guess after the Reds got 8 runs in the first game, we should have known they were near their runs quota for the series.

They got 10 altogether in the four game Giants series.

Last night, they got one in support of Cueto.

Tonight, we'll see. But it may just be another "tip of the hat" game.

After all, Harang is pitching, can't really expect too much offense.

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:11 PM
I guess after the Reds got 8 runs in the first game, we should have known they were near their runs quota for the series.

They got 10 altogether in the four game Giants series.

Last night, they got one in support of Cueto.

Tonight, we'll see. But it may just be another "tip of the hat" game.

After all, Harang is pitching, can't really expect too much offense.
I'm told it's the ebbs and flows of a baseball season. Or something.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:12 PM
I guess after the Reds got 8 runs in the first game, we should have known they were near their runs quota for the series.

They got 10 altogether in the four game Giants series.

Last night, they got one in support of Cueto.

Tonight, we'll see. But it may just be another "tip of the hat" game.

After all, Harang is pitching, can't really expect too much offense.
Not sure if that's a shot at me for using that phrase last night in reference to Belisario, but no, the Reds should be hitting Harang and anything less is a disappointment.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:12 PM
I'm told it's the ebbs and flows of a baseball season. Or something.
Ah, I KNOW that one is a shot at me.

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 11:12 PM
Putrid comes to mind. I'm sure others will come. At least they should try swinging at pitches in the middle of the zone early instead of in or up.

Tony Cloninger
07-04-2012, 11:15 PM
I'm told it's the ebbs and flows of a baseball season. Or something.

Too much ebb....not enough flow.

Maybe the recap of this season will be called "The 2012 Reds...Tipping their caps on a semi-daily basis"

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:15 PM
7 pitch inning for Leake.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:16 PM
Not sure if that's a shot at me for using that phrase last night in reference to Belisario, but no, the Reds should be hitting Harang and anything less is a disappointment.

I didn't even remember you said it, so it wasn't directed at you.

It was a reference to all these medium pitchers who shut down the Reds this year. Lots of tipping of caps to these guys.

Right now, I'm on Drew Stubbs watch. I'm focused on seeing if Drew can get a hit before the All Star break. It's much more interesting than these ball games.

7 pitch fourth inning for Leake. He's mowing them down and hoping his offense will bring him back into the ballgame.

BCubb2003
07-04-2012, 11:17 PM
We've gone from a 21-0 pace to a 6.75-0 pace, so it's getting better.

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 11:18 PM
We've gone from a 21-0 pace to a 6.75-0 pace, so it's getting better.

That "0" still seems to be staying the same, but certainly improves the run diff

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:20 PM
Kelch saying that Harang has been very good tonight even though he hasn't won a game since June 7.

I guess it's a tip of the cap.

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:20 PM
Frazier swings at ball 5 and probably ball 6 and strikes out.

BCubb2003
07-04-2012, 11:21 PM
That "0" still seems to be staying the same, but certainly improves the run diff

If the game goes long enough, we'll almost win.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:21 PM
Mez! :jump:

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:21 PM
Mes just killed a baseball.

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 11:22 PM
If the games long enough, we'll almost win.

Well, Mez screwed up my math comps with the zero. Nice shot though.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:22 PM
One more baserunner and Stubbs will hit this inning. C'mon Mike and Zack.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:24 PM
Nope. Drew will lead off next inning trying to break 0 for 26.

Red in Chicago
07-04-2012, 11:24 PM
I'm fascinated by the woman holding the baby behind home plate. That says a lot about the way the game is going.

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:25 PM
Season OPS:
Mesoraco .701
Hanigan .681

The Operator
07-04-2012, 11:27 PM
There's a skeleton in the stands dressed like Charlie Sheen.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:27 PM
There's a skeleton in the stands dressed like Charlie Sheen.
Wearing some Reds gear.

CrackerJack
07-04-2012, 11:27 PM
There's a skeleton in the stands dressed like Charlie Sheen.

Great t-shirt though :)

The Operator
07-04-2012, 11:27 PM
Wearing some Reds gear.I can dig that.

BCubb2003
07-04-2012, 11:28 PM
There's a skeleton in the stands dressed like Charlie Sheen.

The Reds get all the A-list celebrity fans.

CrackerJack
07-04-2012, 11:28 PM
Wearing some Reds gear.

If you can call a red T with a Reds' "C" and "Sheen" in the middle "Reds gear" :)

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:30 PM
Leake has been going good since the horrific start.

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:30 PM
Baseball is weird. Leake couldn't get anybody out in the first.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:31 PM
Leake going well now. 3-1 Dodgers after 5.

Reds can tie it up by the fifteenth inning if this pace continues. Of course, even I will turn this game off by then, it would be 2 AM or so.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:33 PM
Charlie now sporting an official Reds 4th of July hat, for those keeping track at home.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 11:33 PM
Arroyo gave the Sheen crew some hats.

I want hats. Why can't I have some hats?

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:36 PM
Arroyo gave the Sheen crew some hats.

I want hats. Why can't I have some hats?
Do a lot of drugs, get arrested a few times, fired off a few shows, then maybe we can get you some.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:36 PM
Reds go down 1-2-3 again. Disappointing. Votto is hitting Harang hard, but only has the double to show for it.

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:36 PM
What will it take for Drew Stubbs to be benched? .215 and dropping.

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 11:39 PM
What will it take for Drew Stubbs to be benched? .215 and dropping.

Something worse than 0-27? :dunno:

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:39 PM
LOL, announcers say Votto hasn't had an RBI in seven games. Well he missed two plus games and he has outs hitting in front of him.

As for Stubbs, he's now 0 for 27 but I'm confident he'll get that hit before the All Star break. Just have a good feeling about it.

Nice play by Votto.

OldXOhio
07-04-2012, 11:40 PM
What will it take for Drew Stubbs to be benched? .215 and dropping.

Perhaps his career OPS hitting out of the two hole to drop to near .700, which Stubbs is doing his best to insure. I'm sure that's the barometer Dusty's using.

OldXOhio
07-04-2012, 11:41 PM
As for Stubbs, he's now 0 for 27 but I'm confident he'll get that hit before the All Star break. Just have a good feeling about it.



I've been saying that since 2010.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:41 PM
Ryan Roberts seems to be the key guy in Stubbs' slump.

Roberts seems to be playing third for the Padres.

Question is whether Drew can beat out a bunt to third. Roberts will be on the spot to try and throw him out for the four game series.

Another nice inning by Leake.

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:44 PM
Bruce hacks at ball 3

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:44 PM
Ryan Roberts seems to be the key guy in Stubbs' slump.

Roberts seems to be playing third for the Padres.

Question is whether Drew can beat out a bunt to third. Roberts will be on the spot to try and throw him out for the four game series.

Another nice inning by Leake.
Roberts plays for Arizona.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:46 PM
Roberts plays for Arizona.

Correct. I goofed looking up the SD players in their box score tonight.

SD third baseman is Headley. He's the guy some RedsZoners want to acquire.

So it will be up to Headley if Stubbs bunts to try and break the streak.

Sorry about that.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:47 PM
Harang fans Ludwick with Bruce on first in the seventh.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:48 PM
Frazier pops to medium right field. So two outs, Bruce on first. Maybe Mes can hit another one.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:48 PM
:(

RedlegJake
07-04-2012, 11:48 PM
1 pitch pop 1 pitch pop

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:48 PM
Putrid at bats.

NC Reds
07-04-2012, 11:49 PM
Too much first pitch hacking. Pathetic.

BCubb2003
07-04-2012, 11:49 PM
At least they aren't getting behind in the count.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 11:49 PM
Do a lot of drugs, get arrested a few times, fired off a few shows, then maybe we can get you some.Check. Check. And I've been fired from several jobs, but not in the TV business.

Can I have some hats? :)

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:50 PM
Check. Check. And I've been fired from several jobs, but not in the TV business.

Can I have some hats? :)
Two porn star girlfriends?

WVRedsFan
07-04-2012, 11:51 PM
So far the west coast jinx continues. I thought after winning two of RHS first three at SF, we were going Ro be alright. Then thee Pirates never lose and well, this is not dun.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 11:51 PM
Two porn star girlfriends?Well, all my girlfriends have been "on film", per se. Does that count?

alloverjr
07-04-2012, 11:52 PM
At least Mez looked like he swung at a pitch in the middle of the zone. Not the case for Ludwick (on any of his pitches) and didn't see the Frazier AB because it went by so quick.

They need to get back home where some of these pop-ups count for runs.

OldXOhio
07-04-2012, 11:52 PM
Fear not, the Padres suck. No way we go into SD and win less than two.;)

reds44
07-04-2012, 11:52 PM
Well, all my girlfriends have been "on film", per se. Does that count?
I'm not sure I want to know what that means lol

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:54 PM
Fear not, the Padres suck. No way we go into SD and win less than two.;)

I wouldn't expect too much. Petco isn't a great stadium for the Reds. It's hard to hit homers and it requires multiple hits in an inning to score.

Harang being lifted from the game. Pinch hitter coming up. Nice outing by Aaron against a fearsome lineup.

WVRedsFan
07-04-2012, 11:55 PM
Fear not, the Padres suck. No way we go into SD and win less than two.;)

That's what was said about the Pirates. Now they are ahead of us or may be and now we're looking at StL coming on. It ain't gonna be easy.

BCubb2003
07-04-2012, 11:55 PM
I wouldn't expect too much. Petco isn't a great stadium for the Reds. It's hard to hit homers and it requires multiple hits in an inning to score.

Harang being lifted from the game. Pinch hitter coming up. Nice outing by Aaron against a fearsome lineup.

Charlie Sheen tips his free hat.

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:55 PM
Another nice inning for Leake, and overall a nice game for him so far. 3 runs ain't that bad.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:56 PM
Beautiful game by Leake after he allowed the runs early. Maybe the Reds can hit the Dodger bullpen.

Stubbs should be coming up this inning so there is special interest as it approaches.

OldXOhio
07-04-2012, 11:56 PM
I wouldn't expect too much. Petco isn't a great stadium for the Reds. It's hard to hit homers and it requires multiple hits in an inning to score.

Harang being lifted from the game. Pinch hitter coming up. Nice outing by Aaron against a fearsome lineup.

That was said tongue in cheek. The reality is this team is limping to the first half finish. I don't care if it's the Pads or the Nats, don't see us winning the final series.

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:58 PM
That was said tongue in cheek. The reality is this team is limping to the first half finish. I don't care if it's the Pads or the Nats, don't see us winning the final series.

Sorry, I didn't pick it up.

I agree with your view.

Belisario coming in.

Heisey sighting.

The Operator
07-04-2012, 11:59 PM
I'm not sure I want to know what that means lolI've got a security camera outside my front door.

What else could that have meant? :)

Kc61
07-04-2012, 11:59 PM
We get both Heisey and Stubbs this inning.

WVRedsFan
07-04-2012, 11:59 PM
I too misinterpreted your intent. And on with you

Tom Servo
07-04-2012, 11:59 PM
We get both Heisey and Stubbs this inning.
Frank Grimes says 'Doh' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5JUkqxBmAo)

WVRedsFan
07-05-2012, 12:00 AM
We get both Heisey and Stubbs this inning.

Halelujah

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:00 AM
Can Charlie bat left handed and play the OF? Winning!

Kc61
07-05-2012, 12:00 AM
Heisey was patient. He took many pitches. Then swung and missed for strike three.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2012, 12:00 AM
Heisey needs to go. Period.

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:01 AM
Made Cozart look silly

alloverjr
07-05-2012, 12:01 AM
This inning not setting up well for Drew

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:02 AM
Frank Grimes says 'Doh' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5JUkqxBmAo)You sir, have won the game thread with that one.

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:02 AM
Thought it was a 10:10 start tonight. Guess the cap tipping to the Don Drysdale and Mike Marshall de jour against this offense started an hour earlier.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:03 AM
Stubbs strikes out on a pitch that nearly hits him.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2012, 12:03 AM
0-28.

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:04 AM
0 for 28 is hard to do. Remarkable.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:05 AM
0 for 28 is hard to do. Remarkable.
Especially with that speed.

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:05 AM
Jay Bruce no longer holds the world record for most futile slump.

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:05 AM
Kelch saying that Harang has been very good tonight even though he hasn't won a game since June 7.

I guess it's a tip of the cap.

Yes the Dodgers have been simply terrific the last three weeks. No Kershaw and we're headed South down the 5 at a .333 clip after the last two nights of offensive sleepwalking.

Tony Cloninger
07-05-2012, 12:06 AM
Steve Garvey went 0 for 27 in 1978. He was avery streaky hitter.....but this is a bad comp.

I thought H-C had a bad groin since ST and has been playing through it......is that where his power went?

Blitz Dorsey
07-05-2012, 12:06 AM
Stubbs is so bad I don't even have the right word for it.

But I do know this: If he weren't a former first-round pick, he'd been in AAA right now. #guaranteed

kbrake
07-05-2012, 12:06 AM
Can't wait to see the Dusty philosophy of refusing to work the count tomorrow night against Volquez. This could get embarrassing.

alloverjr
07-05-2012, 12:07 AM
0 for 28 is hard to do. Remarkable.

What in fact would be the record (and still start daily)?

Hey Jake, I lived in KC for a short bit off Barry. Nice town.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:07 AM
Can't wait to see the Dusty philosophy of refusing to work the count tomorrow night against Volquez. This could get embarrassing.
Gotta get him early, dude.

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:07 AM
No worries, the Rage of Riverside will turn in the same lineup card tomorrow night with Stubby in the 2-hole and all will be better.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:08 AM
Walking Dee Gordon is an excellent idea.

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:08 AM
What in fact would be the record (and still start daily)?

Hey Jake, I lived in KC for a short bit off Barry. Nice town.

I live north of there in St. Joe but am often on Barry Rd. I like it here.

Tom Servo
07-05-2012, 12:08 AM
Bill Bray is no Ronald Belisario

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:10 AM
Bray comes in and immediately starts a fire.

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:10 AM
Bray gave Mes no chance little enough that he'd have had with Dee - big jump

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:10 AM
Walking Dee Gordon is an excellent idea.I don't know how they're laying off pitches this close.

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kbrake
07-05-2012, 12:10 AM
It is amazing how quickly this team can go from looking like the class of the National League to looking like a .500 team.

nemesis
07-05-2012, 12:11 AM
What in fact would be the record (and still start daily)?.


For some reason I believe it's Robin Ventura...

I know he went like 0-41 or 0-43 at some point.

dsmith421
07-05-2012, 12:11 AM
If nothing else, my cap-tipping form is absolute perfection.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2012, 12:11 AM
Billy Best is the definition of mediocre. He is maybe the worst relief.pitcher with a a low ERA. Just awful.

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:11 AM
It is amazing how quickly this team can go from looking like the class of the National League to looking like a .500 team.

Soon to be 6-10 over the last ten games. .500 is looking good about now.

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:12 AM
Bill Bergen in 1909 went 0-46

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:12 AM
Soon to be 6-10 over the last ten games. .500 is looking good about now.
Isn't that a bit misleading though? 12-10 over last 22.

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:13 AM
Isn't that a bit misleading though? 12-10 over last 22.

or 44-37 over the last 81?

Blitz Dorsey
07-05-2012, 12:13 AM
I love that Dusty bats the worst hitter on the team in the 2 hole.

Wait, I don't like that at all!

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:13 AM
Soon to be 6-10 over the last ten games.Only The Reds could win 6 times in 10 games but still manage 10 losses. :D

DGullett35
07-05-2012, 12:13 AM
We lose tonight and we will be a half game out of the wild card

OldXOhio
07-05-2012, 12:13 AM
0 for 28 is hard to do. Remarkable.

Pencil him in the two hole tomorrow. He's due.

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:14 AM
Only The Reds could win 6 times in 10 games but still manage 10 losses. :D

LOL. Good catch. Gotta love it!

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:14 AM
We lose tonight and we will be a half game out of the wild card
The second one?

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:14 AM
Only The Reds could win 6 times in 10 games but still manage 10 losses. :D

That's when you know things are going bad. All this cap tipping is giving me dementia.

:laugh:

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:14 AM
That was a remarkable play by Mes.

He was out.

Tom Servo
07-05-2012, 12:14 AM
he was out

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:15 AM
Clearly out.

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:15 AM
He was OUT

Reds Fanatic
07-05-2012, 12:15 AM
That is a blown call. He was clearly out on the replay.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:15 AM
Can we get Bray out?

fearofpopvol1
07-05-2012, 12:15 AM
Another god-awful umpire call. Maybe redszone should write a petition and send it to MLB headquarters. It is truly absurd.

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:15 AM
Really the umpiring continues to be as bad as I've ever seen lately. Mes with a gun. Wow!

kbrake
07-05-2012, 12:16 AM
Attendance is up. Clearly the people don't want replay. Bud Selig wisdom.

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:16 AM
The Human Element strikes again.

kaldaniels
07-05-2012, 12:16 AM
You will never see a better throw, wow.

Maybe an overstatement, but still...

Tom Servo
07-05-2012, 12:16 AM
Thanks for coming, Bray

DGullett35
07-05-2012, 12:16 AM
The second one?

yep. theres 2 teams tied for the first one if we lose

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:16 AM
You will never see a better throw, wow.

Maybe an overstatement, but still...
On a terrible pitch to throw on too.

fearofpopvol1
07-05-2012, 12:16 AM
In a game this close, it's unacceptable.

reds1869
07-05-2012, 12:17 AM
Instant replay needs to be expanded. Now.

hebroncougar
07-05-2012, 12:17 AM
Good opportunity for Baker to go all Bull Durham on an umpire and get tossed. Then throw some bats in the locker room.

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OldXOhio
07-05-2012, 12:18 AM
In a game this close, it's unacceptable.

It's about to not be close any longer. I've already moved on to the Cardinals series next week.

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:18 AM
In a game this close, it's unacceptable.

This close -- we're tied? ;)

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:18 AM
Bray has not been a help since returning

Blitz Dorsey
07-05-2012, 12:18 AM
I used to defend Dusty. It's actually amazing how bad he is. My wife knows Drew Stubbs should be batting 8th at best, and I would consider her baseball knowledge a "2" on a 1-10 scale. (Her looks are much better though. Ha.)

Actually, when Leake is pitching, Stubbs should bat 9th. Not even close to joking.

DGullett35
07-05-2012, 12:19 AM
at least my prediction of 88 wins looks like it should hold up

kaldaniels
07-05-2012, 12:19 AM
Not saying it is what I would do right now, but of Bray was released I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep.

alloverjr
07-05-2012, 12:20 AM
Not saying it is what I would do right now, but of Bray was released I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep.

Is he out of options? Seems like he would be.

OldXOhio
07-05-2012, 12:20 AM
I used to defend Dusty. It's actually amazing how bad he is. My wife knows Drew Stubbs should be batting 8th at best, and I would consider her baseball knowledge a "2" on a 1-10 scale. (Her looks are much better though. Ha.)

Actually, when Leake is pitching, Stubbs should bat 9th. Not even close to joking.

Meaning Dusty would be channeling the ghost of Larussa? Never!

It's a good point. I think you even bat Leake 7th.

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:20 AM
Charlie Sheen apparently ran the bullpen session today.

fearofpopvol1
07-05-2012, 12:20 AM
I don't know that I'd give up on Bray, but he needs work. And putting him in during close games isn't the way to get it to him. He really should be in Louisville. But I think he may be out of options.

OldXOhio
07-05-2012, 12:20 AM
Not saying it is what I would do right now, but of Bray was released I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep.

do that and you run the risk of being deemed the loser in "the trade" mister.

BCubb2003
07-05-2012, 12:20 AM
Meaning Dusty would be channeling the ghost of Larussa? Never!

It's a good point. I think you even bat Leake 7th.

Heck, try him in the 2 hole.

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:21 AM
Bray hasn't been getting a lot of work. Dusty immediately throwing him in a high leverage situation upon his return a couple weeks back was one of the more idiotic things he's cooked up all year.

Raisor
07-05-2012, 12:21 AM
Meaning Dusty would be channeling the ghost of Larussa? Never!

It's a good point. I think you even bat Leake 7th.

Leake should be leading off and playing CF when he isn't pitching.

OldXOhio
07-05-2012, 12:21 AM
Leake should be leading off and playing CF when he isn't pitching.

Ding ding ding ding. Tell him what he's won Johnny.

kaldaniels
07-05-2012, 12:21 AM
Charlie Sheen apparently ran the bullpen session today.

That's it! He had one of his hot tub parties and the team is just hungover! It is all coming together now.

kaldaniels
07-05-2012, 12:23 AM
Fraizer should have ran at Ellis.

Cedric
07-05-2012, 12:23 AM
I used to defend Dusty. It's actually amazing how bad he is. My wife knows Drew Stubbs should be batting 8th at best, and I would consider her baseball knowledge a "2" on a 1-10 scale. (Her looks are much better though. Ha.)

Actually, when Leake is pitching, Stubbs should bat 9th. Not even close to joking.

Walt has messed up the roster pretty bad. I wouldn't throw everything on Dusty.

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:23 AM
terrible rundown play - they almost blew it

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:23 AM
They almost blew that rundown on the very first throw.

fearofpopvol1
07-05-2012, 12:23 AM
Scully said the Reds did a poor job with the rundown.

OldXOhio
07-05-2012, 12:24 AM
I guess the positive in all of this is there should be no misconception in the FO about the fact that this team has several immediate needs if it wants to play in October.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2012, 12:24 AM
I don't know that I'd give up on Bray, but he needs work. And putting him in during close games isn't the way to get it to him. He really should be in Louisville. But I think he may be out of options.

I gave up on him two years ago. Time go cut bait. He's done in my opinion.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:24 AM
I'm putting the odds of Arredondo walking in a run at 2-1.

Tom Servo
07-05-2012, 12:24 AM
I'm putting the odds of Arredondo walking in a run at 2-1.
sounds about right

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:24 AM
I guess the positive in all of this is there should be no misconception in the FO about the fact that this team has several immediate needs if it wants to play in October.That was obvious last July as well, perhaps moreso.

I'm not holding my breath.

OldXOhio
07-05-2012, 12:24 AM
Walt has messed up the roster pretty bad. I wouldn't throw everything on Dusty.

True, but the two at the top of the order are all on Dusty.

kbrake
07-05-2012, 12:24 AM
Walt has messed up the roster pretty bad. I wouldn't throw everything on Dusty.

This is definitely a talented team but as the season moves along I find myself putting more and more of the blame on Walt. Dusty is a moron when it comes to constructing a lineup but the roster just simply has too many offensive holes.

alloverjr
07-05-2012, 12:25 AM
Walt has messed up the roster pretty bad. I wouldn't throw everything on Dusty.

He was at the game Monday. Wonder if he's stuck around to see his handywork. I assume he was there to talk about some possible call-ups from Bakersfield (to AA).

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:25 AM
LOL. 2-0 count

OldXOhio
07-05-2012, 12:25 AM
That was obvious last July as well, perhaps moreso.

I'm not holding my breath.

This past offseason made me believe Walt is in fact awake. Last deadline, offseason I would have swore he wasn't.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:26 AM
I don't think Walt has messed up the roster. There's a couple of holes, but they can be fixed pretty easily.

fearofpopvol1
07-05-2012, 12:26 AM
I gave up on him two years ago. Time go cut bait. He's done in my opinion.

He was actually pretty good last year. Look at his numbers.

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:26 AM
Walt has messed up the roster pretty bad. I wouldn't throw everything on Dusty.

I would agree. We are absolutely terrible in the 8th inning on over the past three weeks. Even with an above average pen. As the dog days are approaching, I don't believe this is a cooincidence.

Absolutely no ability to go righty/lefty matchups with this completely piss-poor, redundant roster construction. Throwing seven righties against Volgelsong on Suonday with no other roster choices, etc. etc.

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:26 AM
Well, that's that.

kbrake
07-05-2012, 12:27 AM
I don't think Walt has messed up the roster. There's a couple of holes, but they can be fixed pretty easily.

He needs to fix it though. Dropping lots of games that should be wins. 80 games in and still not even a half way decent bench.

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:27 AM
needed a KO or a groundball and get a flyball. Blast it.

Kc61
07-05-2012, 12:28 AM
I gave up on him two years ago. Time go cut bait. He's done in my opinion.

You may be right, but Bray is an extra lefty arm in the bullpen. I wouldn't have used him tonight, too close a game, but that's on Baker.

Really, it's hard to worry about the last man in the bullpen. The team has an ERA below 3.5, when was the last time you could say that?

Ten runs in four games scored by the offense in SF. Then one good one in LA. Then one run last night. Now one tonight in the eighth.

The offensive issues were clear in mid-April, they remain, and that needs to be the area of concern for the front office. Billy Bray? Whatever, not a big issue.

RedlegJake
07-05-2012, 12:28 AM
He needs to fix it though. Dropping lots of games that should be wins. 80 games in and still not even a half way decent bench.

At least 6-8 games dropped that should have been wins. That is being conservative

kaldaniels
07-05-2012, 12:28 AM
Can't fault Jose toooo much, this is Billy's mess.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:28 AM
He needs to fix it though. Dropping lots of games that should be wins. 80 games in and still not even a half way decent bench.
And a game out of first. If he doesn't get help by the 31st, I'll agree with you.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:29 AM
At least 6-8 games dropped that should have been wins. That is being conservative
Yes, us and just about everybody.

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:29 AM
It's nights like these that I'm glad I have so many personal accomplishments to hang my hat on so the Reds losing doesn't get me too down.

Oh wait, no I don't. I'm sad now. :(

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:29 AM
It's nights like these that I'm glad I have so many personal accomplishments to hang my hat on so the Reds losing doesn't get me too down.

Oh wait, no I don't. I'm sad now. :(

:laugh:

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:29 AM
It's nights like these that I'm glad I have so many personal accomplishments to hang my hat on so the Reds losing doesn't get me too down.

Oh wait, no I don't. I'm sad now. :(
Lets hang out with Charlie Sheen and do blow and get hats.

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:30 AM
And a game out of first. If he doesn't get help by the 31st, I'll agree with you.That may not be in time though. He needs to do something nowsies, just my opinion though.

kbrake
07-05-2012, 12:30 AM
And a game out of first. If he doesn't get help by the 31st, I'll agree with you.

That is why I'm so frustrated right now though. This team should be 5 games up in this division and they just can't sustain anything on offense. The first two weeks of the season it was clear the offense and bench were problematic. The pitching has been great, I really don't want to waste it for another 3 weeks.

Blitz Dorsey
07-05-2012, 12:30 AM
It also must be mentioned that we're losing to the Dodgers with their only two legit hitters on the shelf in Kemp and Either. Also, we didn't get shut down by Clayton Kershaw tonight. We got shut down by Aaron Harang. Embarrassing all around.

kaldaniels
07-05-2012, 12:30 AM
You may be right, but Bray is an extra lefty arm in the bullpen. I wouldn't have used him tonight, too close a game, but that's on Baker.

Really, it's hard to worry about the last man in the bullpen. The team has an ERA below 3.5, when was the last time you could say that?

Ten runs in four games scored by the offense in SF. Then one good one in LA. Then one run last night. Now one tonight in the eighth.

The offensive issues were clear in mid-April, they remain, and that needs to be the area of concern for the front office. Billy Bray? Whatever, not a big issue.

Down two in the 8th and he goes to Bray? Yeah, that's poor.

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:31 AM
Lets hang out with Charlie Sheen and do blow and get hats.I'm in!

DGullett35
07-05-2012, 12:31 AM
Its not like Walt can just call up a random team and say "we want him and we'll give you him" Im sure hes been on the phone just as much as any other GM has. It takes 2 teams to make a trade. Ive kept faith because we were supposed to be "all in" in 2012. If they werent lying to the fans then a move will be made.

OldXOhio
07-05-2012, 12:31 AM
It's nights like these that I'm glad I have so many personal accomplishments to hang my hat on so the Reds losing doesn't get me too down.

Oh wait, no I don't. I'm sad now. :(

It takes a big man to admit he's wrong. I am not a big man.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:31 AM
That may not be in time though. He needs to do something nowsies, just my opinion though.
Ehhh they're spinning their wheels out west, we all saw it coming. We just need to avoid a horrible trip (win at least two in San Diego) and get to the break and they'll be fine. This is not panic time.

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:32 AM
Kenley Jansen is licking his chops right now.

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:32 AM
I'm in!
#winning

oregonred
07-05-2012, 12:32 AM
I don't think Walt has messed up the roster. There's a couple of holes, but they can be fixed pretty easily.

That's the odd part. He did the hard work over the winter with Marshall, Latos and Madsen (the latter one really hurts as we've seen over the last few weeks).

We don't need Carew and Wiliams - just some roster balance. Even a Lance Nix type as a 4th OF and a better LH hitting utility infielder would do wonders for the roster.

No one thought Heisey + Stubbs would be this horrible. Two completely redundant parts that are just an OBP grease fire right now.

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:33 AM
It takes a big man to admit he's wrong. I am not a big man.Best. Movie. Ever? Perhaps...

Tony Cloninger
07-05-2012, 12:33 AM
Did anyone watch Joe Madden use gas can tough guy who fought with Paul Wilson today vs the Yankees.

They had a chance to sweep and what's his name.......kept throwing breaking balls with a 2 run lead against Chavez....... but bottom line is that Madden for all his good......messed up in his bullpen choice and used a guy who had barely got the cobwebs off him in a big game.

The Operator
07-05-2012, 12:34 AM
Kyle Farnsworth?

reds44
07-05-2012, 12:34 AM
That's the odd part. He did the hard work over the winter with Marshall, Latos and Madsen (the latter one really hurts as we've seen over the last few weeks).

We don't need Carew and Wiliams - just some roster balance. Even a Lance Nix type as a 4th OF and a better LH hitting utility infielder would do wonders for the roster.

No one thought Heisey + Stubbs would be this horrible. Two completely redundant parts that are just an OBP grease fire right now.
There's a reason he went after Bourn at the deadline last year. He knows what he's doing.

kbrake
07-05-2012, 12:34 AM
Didn't we limp to the All Star break the last two years also?