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Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 02:48 PM
Zack Cozart 6
Drew Stubbs 8
Joey Votto 3
Brandon Phillips 4
Jay Bruce 9
Ryan Ludwick 7
Scott Rolen 5
Ryan Hanigan 2
Johnny Cueto RHP

The Operator
07-08-2012, 02:50 PM
Todd Frazier on the bench, eh? Glad to see Dusty playing the hot hand.

Raisor
07-08-2012, 02:54 PM
No Frazier? Really?

The Operator
07-08-2012, 03:03 PM
No Frazier? Really?He and Joey were up late drinking fancy coffees.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltcgyi6M5z1r0w390.jpg

Kc61
07-08-2012, 03:16 PM
No Frazier? Really?

You have four players for two positions. Five if you include Cairo.

They all are right handed hitters so there's no percentage advantage involved against right/left handed pitchers.

So how do you divide up the time for Rolen, Frazier, Heisey, Ludwick and occasionally Cairo?

Beats me. I have no clue. I'm sure Dusty has a reason, but it's really just an ad hoc sharing arrangement.

They are all good enough (except Cairo) to deserve some playing time. When? Who knows.

My guess is simply that Frazier and Heisey played yesterday. So Rolen returns today with Ludwick.

I really can't remember another situation like this. So many guys with similar profiles vying for the same positions with no clearcut starters and subs.

Frazier is having the best year, but he hasn't been declared an everyday player. None of them have.

Whatever.

reds44
07-08-2012, 03:30 PM
No Frazier and no Heisey makes no sense, but whatever.

edabbs44
07-08-2012, 03:34 PM
No Frazier and no Heisey makes no sense, but whatever.

Heisey? The much maligned Chris Heisey??

edabbs44
07-08-2012, 03:36 PM
Don't sweat the lineup....the Reds should win this game with Dusty picking the lineup out of a hat.

Knock on wood. :)

cumberlandreds
07-08-2012, 03:53 PM
No Frazier and no Heisey makes no sense, but whatever.


Hey! We have a good bench today. :)

traderumor
07-08-2012, 03:54 PM
Heisey? The much maligned Chris Heisey??Yea, he's now a "hot hand" instead of tradeable scrub.

The Operator
07-08-2012, 04:10 PM
No Frazier and no Heisey makes...No TV and no beer make Homer something something...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzgt1tvf2Y1qzv4vio1_500.gif

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 04:15 PM
No TV and no beer make Homer something something...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzgt1tvf2Y1qzv4vio1_500.gif
Pirates up 6-0. Urge to kill...rising.

Screwball
07-08-2012, 04:20 PM
No TV and no beer make Homer something something...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzgt1tvf2Y1qzv4vio1_500.gif

Go crazy?

Vottomatic
07-08-2012, 04:37 PM
No Frazier and no Heisey makes no sense, but whatever.

Yeah, let's not do Cueto any favors and put the "hot" guys in the offense. Unreal.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 05:05 PM
LOL. Dusty can't win. Scott's been out for how many days now due to the back spasms? He's got to play eventually guys.

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:06 PM
Better not be any cap tipping today, Reds have traditionally pounded Marquis.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:08 PM
Cozart grounds out to short.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:10 PM
Stubbs strikes out looking.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:11 PM
Votto singles to center.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:12 PM
Votto steals 2nd.

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:13 PM
lol Votto cat walking to 2nd

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:13 PM
Quentin robs Phillips. 0-0 mid 1st.

Tony Cloninger
07-08-2012, 05:13 PM
Knees all better today. :thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 05:13 PM
That was weird. Marquis has NO peripheral vision?!?

It worked, but IMO that was horrible baserunning by Votto. He SHOULD'VE been dead to rights.

757690
07-08-2012, 05:14 PM
That was weird. Marquis has NO peripheral vision?!?

Dude is focused, lol

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:17 PM
Denorfia strikes out swinging.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:18 PM
Forsythe grounds out to short.

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:21 PM
Forsythe grounds out to short.
Cueto must have had the Forsythe to prepare for this dude.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:21 PM
Headley hit by the pitch

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:23 PM
Quentin strikes out swinging. 0-0 after 1.

marcshoe
07-08-2012, 05:24 PM
Hey, how is it fair that the Padres get to wear camouflage uniforms? They could steal a base and no one would even see them!

wheels
07-08-2012, 05:24 PM
I really hope Walt isn't looking at Qunetin. I see nothing redeemable about him that could help our club.

mth123
07-08-2012, 05:25 PM
Cueto must have had the Forsythe to prepare for this dude.

Man. You need the All Star break. That was awful.


I love it.

marcshoe
07-08-2012, 05:25 PM
I really hope Walt isn't looking at Qunetin. I see nothing redeemable about him that could help our club.

I've been thinking that this series, too. Watch the Pirates pick him up and he gets hot.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:26 PM
Bruce flies out to the track in center.

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:26 PM
damn, thought Jay had that one.

marcshoe
07-08-2012, 05:27 PM
Padres' fans have the weirdest reactions to hit balls of anyone in baseball. They seem to cheer anything hit hard or even into the outfield, no matter which team.

Razor Shines
07-08-2012, 05:27 PM
Don't sweat the lineup....the Reds should win this game with Dusty picking the lineup out of a hat.

Knock on wood. :)

The Reds should win this game with Dusty IN the lineup.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:28 PM
Ludwick grounds out to 3rd.

757690
07-08-2012, 05:29 PM
damn, thought Jay had that one.

If these last 11 games were played in GABP, Reds offense probably would look fine.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:30 PM
Rolen strikes out swinging. 0-0 mid 2nd.

BCubb2003
07-08-2012, 05:32 PM
The Reds should win this game with Dusty IN the lineup.

Dusty's probably in the top 10 of good player, successful manager combos.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:33 PM
Grandal flies out to center on the first pitch

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:34 PM
Alonso grounds out to 1st.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:35 PM
Maybin grounds out to short. 5 pitch inning. 0-0 after 2.

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:35 PM
5 pitch inning for Cueto

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:37 PM
Hanigan singles to left.

WebScorpion
07-08-2012, 05:38 PM
5 pitch inning for Cueto:clap: A few more of those would be really nice. 5 pitches. :eek: You could finish a game on 45 pitches at that rate. :beerme:

cbowen2112
07-08-2012, 05:38 PM
So Rolen in the lineup should make most aware of the ineptitude of Baker right now. When you say this is a perfect matchup for Rolen, that is total crap. Rolen looks done to me at the dish.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:38 PM
Cueto bunts into a 2-6 FC. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 05:38 PM
Uh-oh. Is Cueto okay? He's really flexing his knee.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 05:39 PM
Wow. Cueto head first slide into third. Yeah, I guess his knee is fine. :O)

reds44
07-08-2012, 05:39 PM
That. was. awesome.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:39 PM
Cueto looks fine there. Cozart bloop hit to right and Cueto goes to 3rd.

RedsfaninMT
07-08-2012, 05:39 PM
Uh-oh. Is Cueto okay? He's really flexing his knee.

That was my question too, but never mind

reds44
07-08-2012, 05:40 PM
What a slide too.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 05:40 PM
Cueto needed this. These 5 pitch innings...he's having a hard time working up a sweat. :O)

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:40 PM
Is this whole 'Welsh going to the Dominican Republic' video a big practical joke? Are we EVER going to actually see it?

WebScorpion
07-08-2012, 05:41 PM
Uh-oh. Is Cueto okay? He's really flexing his knee.Yeah, that worries me.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

...and now he's sliding headfirst into bases. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:43 PM
vintage stubbs

reds44
07-08-2012, 05:43 PM
No logic in Stubbs playing over Heisey today. None.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:43 PM
Stubbs strikes out swinging.

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:43 PM
No logic in Stubbs playing over Heisey today. None.
Stubbs plays better defense.

CrackerJack
07-08-2012, 05:44 PM
Stop the madness Dusty

elfmanvt07
07-08-2012, 05:44 PM
Is it just me or does Stubbs not watch the ball all the way in?

WebScorpion
07-08-2012, 05:44 PM
Stubbs plays better defense.Dude better start piling up the gold gloves...http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry008.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:44 PM
I could even see Stubbs playing for defense but I can't imagine another MLB team where he would bat anywhere near 2nd.

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:45 PM
:(

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:45 PM
Votto strikes out swinging. Again runner on 3rd with 1 out and they fail to score the run. 0-0 mid 3rd.

The Operator
07-08-2012, 05:46 PM
Another rag-armed pitcher shutting 'em down.

Hopefully they get to him in a few.

dougdirt
07-08-2012, 05:46 PM
Is there a way that we can let Thom know that we feel worse about how he does his job than he feels about how Stubbs does his? I would love for him to know that.

WebScorpion
07-08-2012, 05:47 PM
Johnny's magnificent baserunning is wasted. :( Well, you can't say he's not doing everything possible to get that win. :clap:

cbowen2112
07-08-2012, 05:47 PM
It gets old hearing Thom complain, but he is right on with his frustrations.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:49 PM
Cabrera lines out to short.

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:49 PM
It gets old hearing Thom complain, but he is right on with his frustrations.
I hate an announcer who act like a player's shortcoming is a personal offensive to him.

757690
07-08-2012, 05:50 PM
No logic in Stubbs playing over Heisey today. None.

Well, at least I now understand what you mean when you say there is no logic behind something. It means you disagree with it, and nothing more ;)

The Operator
07-08-2012, 05:50 PM
I hate an announcer who act like a player's shortcoming is a personal offensive to him.He learned from his papa.

Tom Servo
07-08-2012, 05:50 PM
Forgot that Marquis can hit.

DGullett35
07-08-2012, 05:50 PM
Thom really got on Marshall last night too

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:50 PM
Marquis singles to center.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:51 PM
Denorfia grounds into a 5-4 FC. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 05:52 PM
Pretty play there by Rolen.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:54 PM
Forsythe strikes out looking. 3 Ks for Cueto. 0-0 affer 3.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:57 PM
Phillips singles to left.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 05:59 PM
:jump: BRUUUUUUUUCE!

The Operator
07-08-2012, 05:59 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 05:59 PM
Bruce homers to center!!! 2-0 Reds!

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:00 PM
:jump: BACK TO BACK! Ludwick! double decker!

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:00 PM
Wow. Ludwick crushed that ball. 3-0 Reds!!

The Operator
07-08-2012, 06:00 PM
Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudwick! :D

reds44
07-08-2012, 06:00 PM
Well, we still can't score without hitting homers, but it's nice to see (at least the last 3 days) we can hit homers out of anywhere.

Vottomatic
07-08-2012, 06:00 PM
WTG Bruce!!!!

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:01 PM
Rolen grounds out to 3rd.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:01 PM
This game is classic Reds 2012.

First inning out, out, Votto gets to second, out.

Later first and third one out, Stubbs fans, Reds don't score. (Atypical is the Votto K.)

Then the Reds score on homers.

As long as they win. . . .

Vottomatic
07-08-2012, 06:02 PM
Rolen grounds out to 3rd.

Kind of anti-climactic after the 2 homers, eh? ;) :D

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:03 PM
Hanigan flies out to the track in center.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:03 PM
Hanigan has been flashing some power this weekend. He hit that one a ton.

757690
07-08-2012, 06:03 PM
Marquis is the type of pitcher that shouldn't survive a third time through the lineup.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:03 PM
Bruce, who hits best at home, will have a lot of opportunities in the second half.

Reds have a lot of home games.

He needs to have a hot second half. Particularly if Votto is gimpy for awhile, Jay really needs to turn it up a notch and dominate at home.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:04 PM
Pirates won 13-2. Cards are losing 4-2 in the 9th.

Cueto flies out to right. 3-0 Reds mid 4th.

reds44
07-08-2012, 06:04 PM
7 homers in Petco since Friday night. Impressive

Vottomatic
07-08-2012, 06:05 PM
Dempster back off the DL goes 5 IP, 4 hits allowed, 0 runs today as the Cubbies shut out the Mets. Dempster lowers his e.r.a. to 1.99.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:05 PM
Never realized how much power Ryan Ludwick has. When he its it, it stays hit. He's had some real bombs this season.

Vottomatic
07-08-2012, 06:05 PM
Never realized how much power Ryan Ludwick has. When he its it, it stays hit. He's had some real bombs this season.

Yeah, he can be a powerful itter. :D

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:08 PM
Headley strikes out swinging. 4 Ks for Cueto

MikeS21
07-08-2012, 06:08 PM
It's Stubbs' fault the score isn't 6-0!

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:08 PM
Yeah, he can be a powerful itter. :D

Nice. :laugh:

Big Klu
07-08-2012, 06:09 PM
Congratulations to Jay Bruce, who has tied recent Reds Hall-Of-Fame inductee Sean Casey for 21st place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Brandon Phillips - 134
17. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Joey Votto - 133
19. Reggie Sanders - 125
20. Ernie Lombardi - 120
21. Sean Casey - 118
21. Jay Bruce - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:09 PM
Quentin walks.

BCubb2003
07-08-2012, 06:10 PM
Congratulations to Jay Bruce, who has tied recent Reds Hall-Of-Fame inductee Sean Casey for 21st place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Brandon Phillips - 134
17. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Joey Votto - 133
19. Reggie Sanders - 125
20. Ernie Lombardi - 120
21. Sean Casey - 118
21. Jay Bruce - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

Maybe someday Joey will catch Brandon.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:11 PM
Grandal bloop hit to left. 1st and 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:12 PM
Yessirree!

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:12 PM
Alonso grounds into a 4-6-3 DP. 3-0 Reds after 4.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:12 PM
Maybe someday Joey will catch Brandon.

Jay will leave them all in the dust before he's done.

Big Klu
07-08-2012, 06:13 PM
Maybe someday Joey will catch Brandon.

He's caught him three times, and Brandon has gotten away from him each time.

RedsfaninMT
07-08-2012, 06:13 PM
Pretty apparent that Alonso in left would not have worked. Man, is he sloooow.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:13 PM
56 pitches for Cueto through 4.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:14 PM
Yonder hits into a DP. He's young, and he plays at Yosemite, but so far this series he looks like a good contact, good eye, hitter with little power.

Maybe he's just decided that swinging for the fences at Petco is futile.

But he's far from a classic first baseman. I still think Grandal is the bigger loss to the Reds in the trade.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:15 PM
Cozart grounds out to 3rd.

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:15 PM
Billy about to bat in futures game.espn2

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:15 PM
Billy about to bat in futures game.espn2

after the commercial?

757690
07-08-2012, 06:15 PM
Yonder hits into a DP. He's young, and he plays at Yosemite, but so far this series he looks like a good contact, good eye, hitter with little power.

Maybe he's just decided that swinging for the fences at Petco is futile.

But he's far from a classic first baseman. I still think Grandal is the bigger loss to the Reds in the trade.

Can you say Lyle Overbay?

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:15 PM
after the commercial?

I believe so.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:16 PM
I believe so.

Yes, the announcer just called him the fastest man in America.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:16 PM
Stubbs strikes out for the 3rd time today.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:16 PM
Stubbs strikes out for the 3rd time today.

The unDimaggio.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:17 PM
Wow. Maybin just robbed Votto on a spectacular catch. 3-0 Reds mid 4th.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:17 PM
WOW! What a catch! Robbed Votto of a dinger. That was one HELLUVA catch!

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:17 PM
Billy H grounded to first and I missed the great catch by Maybin.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:18 PM
How many posters think there will be changes made over the All Star break for the Reds? I do.

Big Klu
07-08-2012, 06:18 PM
Jay will leave them all in the dust before he's done.

I would be surprised. I look for Bruce to pass Phillips and finish in the mid- to high 200's, maybe even into the 300's. But Votto will likely be the Reds' all-time home run leader when he retires, provided he stays for the entirety of his contract.

marcshoe
07-08-2012, 06:19 PM
When Tom said "did he make the catch?" my reaction was "Don't be silly; nobody could make a catch like that."

reds44
07-08-2012, 06:19 PM
How many posters think there will be changes made over the All Star break for the Reds? I do.
If the Reds are going to trade for a bat it either has to be a CFer or they're going to have to move Bruce to CF because taking Ludwick's bat out of the lineup right now doesn't make a lot of sense.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:20 PM
How many posters think there will be changes made over the All Star break for the Reds? I do.

I think Walt will makes some moves at the trade deadline but I am not sure much will happen over the break. One change that I do think is coming soon is Phillips going back to leadoff.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:20 PM
I would be surprised. I look for Bruce to pass Phillips and finish in the mid- to high 200's. But Votto will likely be the Reds' all-time home run leader when he retires, provided he stays for the entirety of his contract.

I don't know. Bruce is more of a HR hitter than Votto is. Votto's the much better hitter, but I think Bruce will end up as the all-time Reds leader.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:20 PM
If the Reds are going to trade for a bat it either has to be a CFer or they're going to have to move Bruce to CF because taking Ludwick's bat out of the lineup right now doesn't make a lot of sense.

I don't think they'll see it that way, I think they would be satisfied to platoon Ludwick and hit him against lefties.

It's certainly better to improve at CF, but probably a lot more difficult.

But we'll see, this is being debated all over RedsZone.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:21 PM
Maybin doubles to left.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:22 PM
62 pitches for Cueto, low pitch count.

Well, no outs, so "fairly low."

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:22 PM
How many posters think there will be changes made over the All Star break for the Reds? I do.

Not sure when, but I do seriously think one of either Rolen or Cairo hangs them up during the season this year.

Tony Cloninger
07-08-2012, 06:22 PM
How many posters think there will be changes made over the All Star break for the Reds? I do.

#1...I hope so. #2...and I know you disagreed with me, but I doubt Baker would know what to do with it.

You have to trade Stubbs and try and include Ondrusek...so you can take his favorite toys away (Or one of them) This is the only manager I could think of that would bat Eddie Joost 7th and Dave Chalk 2nd if he had them on the team.

Hollcat
07-08-2012, 06:23 PM
I think they are overacting about that catch. It was a great catch but one if the best ever? Probably not in the conversion. Would not surprise me if it is not the number 1 play on sportscenter or MLB network tonight.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:23 PM
Cabrera fouls out to left. Maybin to 3rd. 1 out.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:24 PM
#1...I hope so. #2...and I know you disagreed with me, but I doubt Baker would know what to do with it.

You have to trade Stubbs and try and include Ondrusek...so you can take his favorite toys away (Or one of them) This is the only manager I could think of that would bat Eddie Joost 7th and Dave Chalk 2nd if he had them on the team.

I don't disagree, it depends on the move. It may be obvious for Dusty. It may not involve much discretion.

Again, I'm less concerned with batting orders and such, and more concerned with personnel.

I think Walt has been very quiet and must be working on something. The issues are SO obvious.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:24 PM
Marquis hit in the hand by the pitch

Big Klu
07-08-2012, 06:26 PM
I don't know. Bruce is more of a HR hitter than Votto is. Votto's the much better hitter, but I think Bruce will end up as the all-time Reds leader.

Bruce may outhomer Votto by 5-10 in a given season, though sometimes it's a push. I just don't know that Bruce will spend his entire career in Cincinnati. I think that Votto will still be with the Reds after Bruce has moved on.

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:26 PM
Make no mistake. Cueto owns the inside part of the plate. (and then some)

I like it.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:26 PM
Make no mistake. Cueto owns the inside part of the plate. (and then some)

I like it.

Could have lived without hitting Marquis with the pitch, though.

Tony Cloninger
07-08-2012, 06:27 PM
Make no mistake. Cueto owns the inside part of the plate. (and then some)

I like it.

Leads the NL in HBP? I like it too....not a headhunter.....he just works the inside and it really helps him. Not scared of going inside like a lot of pitchers have been for the last 20 years.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 06:28 PM
Why go inside like that to a weak hitter, though?

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:28 PM
Could have lived without hitting Marquis with the pitch, though.

Valid point.

But it wasn't just Marquis. It was the guy who singled off Johnny earlier.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:28 PM
Why go inside like that to a weak hitter, though?

Ball had a lot of movement. I don't think he meant to come that far inside.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:29 PM
Denorfia grounds into a 6-4 FC. 3-1 Reds.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 06:30 PM
Almost a DP. Good effort on that play.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 06:31 PM
Am I the only one who thinks those camouflaged uniforms look bad?

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:32 PM
Forsythe singles to center. 1st and 3rd.

VR
07-08-2012, 06:32 PM
Forsythe singles to center. 1st and 3rd.

On yet another pitch in the dirt?

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 06:32 PM
And now we get to the meat of the order. Hitting the pitcher instead of a pretty good chance of an out hurts. Just the way it goes.

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:33 PM
On yet another pitch in the dirt?

Yep. One of those things you just learn to live with after watching the game for years.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:34 PM
Headley grounds into a 4-6 FC. 3-1 Reds after 5.

VR
07-08-2012, 06:34 PM
Yep. One of those things you just learn to live with after watching the game for years.

He's definitely got the Reds # this weekend.

Tony Cloninger
07-08-2012, 06:35 PM
He's definitely got the Reds # this weekend.

He's no Charlie's Angel....that's for sure. :laugh: I have been here all week.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:36 PM
Cueto threw 28 pitches that inning and is up to 84

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:36 PM
2 outs, 2 on, 1 in for the Cards in the 9th. 4-3 Fish.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:37 PM
Phillips lines a single to center.

VR
07-08-2012, 06:37 PM
He's no Charlie's Angel....that's for sure. :laugh: I have been here all week.

Been waiting for that reference all weekend......nicely done.

BCubb2003
07-08-2012, 06:38 PM
He's no Charlie's Angel....that's for sure. :laugh: I have been here all week.

Whatever you do, don't try the veal.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:38 PM
Hmmmm....only 2 players in MLB history to play at least 5 ASG's with both the NL AND the AL.

Frank Robinson seems obvious.

Nolan Ryan?

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:39 PM
Phillips swipes 2nd.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 06:40 PM
Wow. Phillips lucky

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:40 PM
Alonso attempts a play at 3rd and the throw is off and Brandon is safe. 1st and 3rd.

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:40 PM
Poor idea. Poor execution.

Hit to the right, get the out at first.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:40 PM
Give Phillips credit on that one. Made a good play to get into third base.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Poor idea. Poor execution.

Hit to the right, get the out at first.

Yep. The normal play is to first and BP thought third was easy. Then the last place club does what they do and it's first and third with no outs.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Descalso walks. Bases loaded, 2 down in the 9th now. 4-3 Marlins

VR
07-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Descalso walks. Bases loaded, 2 down in the 9th now. 4-3 Marlins

The All-Star Rafael Furcal and his <.700 OPS now up

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Nope. Frank Robinson and Randy Johnson.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:43 PM
Brad Brach in to pitch

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:44 PM
Cards won.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:45 PM
Heath Bell implosion. Walkoff by Furcal.

BCubb2003
07-08-2012, 06:46 PM
Hmmmm....only 2 players in MLB history to play at least 5 ASG's with both the NL AND the AL.

Frank Robinson seems obvious.

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:46 PM
Ludwick strikes out swinging. Bruce steals 2nd.

VR
07-08-2012, 06:46 PM
Heath Bell implosion. Walkoff by Furcal.

Wasn't all that long ago that Heath Bell was one of the most coveted reliever's in the bigs.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:46 PM
Ludwick fans, Bruce takes second.

Ryan hits the ball far, but he has a long swing.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:47 PM
Rolen strikes out swinging.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:47 PM
Randy Johnson?

Yeah, it was Johnson.

It's got me curious though to see how many Ryan's gotten. Mets, Angels, Astros, Rangers...you'd think he'd be close.

~edit~ just looked. He never made an all star team with the Mets. 5 with the Angels, 2 with the Astros, 1 with the Rangers.

VR
07-08-2012, 06:47 PM
Rolen gets in to his usual 0-2 hole quickly....

The Operator
07-08-2012, 06:47 PM
Cardinals win. Coolies.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:47 PM
Intentional walk to Hanigan.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 06:47 PM
Bad AB for Scotty. Now the IBB and Cueto up

Virginia Beach Reds
07-08-2012, 06:49 PM
Scott Rolen appears defeated at the plate upon his approach to the batters box. Just dismal. You can just tell by his body language that he has some serious doubts about his ability to continue to play the game of baseball.

cbowen2112
07-08-2012, 06:50 PM
So if this is not it for Rolen. What is it going to take?

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:50 PM
Cueto strikes out swinging. Another failure with a runner on 3rd with 1 out. 3-1 Reds mid 6th.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:50 PM
Anybody notice that little forward shuffle Cueto did on that last swing?

Tony Cloninger
07-08-2012, 06:50 PM
And we thought Cordero was hard to take. Bell is a walking kerosene can. The 1979 version of Doug Bair

cbowen2112
07-08-2012, 06:50 PM
Cueto strikes out swinging. Another failure with a runner on 3rd with 1 out. 3-1 Reds mid 6th.

Actually with no outs. Ouchy

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-08-2012, 06:50 PM
Cueto strikes out swinging. Another failure with a runner on 3rd with 1 out. 3-1 Reds mid 6th.

Runner on third an 0 outs.

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:51 PM
Scott Rolen appears defeated at the plate upon his approach to the batters box. Just dismal. You can just tell by his body language that he has some serious doubts about his ability to continue to play the game of baseball.

I'd lay 4-1 odds that he doesnt come back after the break. Go enjoy a few days with the family Scott...

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:51 PM
And we thought Cordero was hard to take. Bell is a walking kerosene can. The 1979 version of Doug Bair

So who takes the Cy Worst award this year? Bell or Lincecum?

Vottomatic
07-08-2012, 06:52 PM
Ernest Borgnine dies at age 95 for you oldtimers.

reds44
07-08-2012, 06:52 PM
6 of the 8 position players have hits today, all but Rolen and Stubbs. Dustyball.

BCubb2003
07-08-2012, 06:52 PM
Bat Rolen in front of Votto; it'll get him going.

Virginia Beach Reds
07-08-2012, 06:53 PM
I'd lay 4-1 odds that he doesnt come back after the break. Go enjoy a few days with the family Scott...

Dusty will try to talk him out of it...for that leadership trait. Hey, we have to pay him anyways. I think he sticks it out until the end of the year. Good guy who fell off the proverbial cliff pretty quickly.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 06:53 PM
Ernest Borgnine dies at age 95 for you oldtimers.

:( Awwww...I loved Borgnine. Rest in peace. *sigh*

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:54 PM
Quentin strikes out swinging. 5 Ks for Cueto

reds44
07-08-2012, 06:54 PM
I have no problem with Rolen playing out the rest of the season. He'll be a nice veteran with a great glove to have off a bench that sucks.

But he has to stop starting.

Virginia Beach Reds
07-08-2012, 06:54 PM
Stubbs also looks absolutely defeated. I thought he was going to cry after that last K. I have a funny feeling that this one will not end well.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:54 PM
Grandal singles to left.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:54 PM
6 of the 8 position players have hits today, all but Rolen and Stubbs. Dustyball.

Ludwick just showed his limitation as a hitter. He was swinging for the fences there, wild long swings. Didn't make contact, left the guys on.

He has good power and will get his share of long balls, but he didn't show any situational hitting ability in that first and third spot.

I don't expect anything from Rolen any more and Cueto is a pitcher. But I thought Ludwick had a bad at bat that time.

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:54 PM
Dusty will try to talk him out of it...for that leadership trait. Hey, we have to pay him anyways. I think he sticks it out until the end of the year. Good guy who fell off the proverbial cliff pretty quickly.

I'm at 50/50 he retires before the end of the season. And there's no better time than the break.

reds44
07-08-2012, 06:55 PM
Ludwick just showed his limitation as a hitter. He was swinging for the fences there, wild long swings. Didn't make contact, left the guys on.

He has good power and will get his share of long balls, but he didn't show any situational hitting ability in that first and third spot.

I don't expect anything from Rolen any more and Cueto is a pitcher. But I thought Ludwick had a bad at bat that time.
The Ludwick AB was bad but he also went yard today, so he gets a pass.

BCubb2003
07-08-2012, 06:55 PM
Good guy who fell off the proverbial cliff pretty quickly.

I wonder if we'll see more of this in the post-steroid era.

Virginia Beach Reds
07-08-2012, 06:55 PM
I'm at 50/50 he retires before the end of the season. And there's no better time than the break.

If he retires, does he continue to draw the contract salary??? My guess is yes.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:55 PM
Alonso singles to right. 1st and 2nd.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 06:56 PM
Methinks Cueto has about had it.

Virginia Beach Reds
07-08-2012, 06:56 PM
I wonder if we'll see more of this in the post-steroid era.

You suggesting Scotty took PEDs? Would never have thought that, but I've been wrong many times today :-)

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:56 PM
If he retires, does he continue to draw the contract salary??? My guess is yes.

Being a sunk cost, I'm sure the money could be worked out.

JaxRed
07-08-2012, 06:56 PM
Being a sunk cost, I'm sure the money could be worked out.

He does not draw the salary if he retires

Vottomatic
07-08-2012, 06:56 PM
I'd love to see Rolen retire during the AS Break. It's painful watching great players go out like this. Willie Mays-esque.

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:57 PM
You suggesting Scotty took PEDs? Would never have thought that, but I've been wrong many times today :-)

I think he suggests Rolen did not take them, hence the decline.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:57 PM
I always root for the Reds to win, but so far they don't deserve to win this ballgame.

They score on long home runs but don't seem capable of taking advantage of opportunities with men on base at all. Not at all.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:57 PM
Maybin flies out to right. 2 outs.

Virginia Beach Reds
07-08-2012, 06:58 PM
I think he suggests Rolen did not take them, hence the decline.

Thanks for the clarification! I was thinking the opposite, which is par for the course today.

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 06:58 PM
I always root for the Reds to win, but so far they don't deserve to win this ballgame.

They score on long home runs but don't seem capable of taking advantage of opportunities with men on base at all. Not at all.

They deserve to win because they have homegrown an outstanding pitcher.

Kc61
07-08-2012, 06:58 PM
They deserve to win because they have homegrown an outstanding pitcher.

Ok. I'll clarify. The offense doesn't deserve to win.

757690
07-08-2012, 06:59 PM
Ernest Borgnine dies at age 95 for you oldtimers.

Mardy :( RIP

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 06:59 PM
Trouble here. Cabrera singles to left. Bases loaded.

mth123
07-08-2012, 06:59 PM
He does not draw the salary if he retires

He'd probably just go on the DL and go on his way. The Reds can't make him retire and forfeit the money, so they'd agree to some arrangement that pays him and frees up the roster spot if he thinks he's done.

BCubb2003
07-08-2012, 06:59 PM
You suggesting Scotty took PEDs? Would never have thought that, but I've been wrong many times today :-)

The opposite. That Rolen and the rest will have more natural breakdowns now rather than the late-career boost previous players have led us to expect.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-08-2012, 07:00 PM
Cueto looks gassed

Vottomatic
07-08-2012, 07:00 PM
Ok. I'll clarify. The offense doesn't deserve to win.

No clarifications. Your original post is engraved in concrete. Take it from me. You cannot correct or clarify your original statement. ;)

kaldaniels
07-08-2012, 07:00 PM
He'd probably just go on the DL and go on his way. The Reds can't make him retire and forfeit the money, so they'd agree to some arrangement that pays him and frees up the roster spot if he thinks he's done.

Exactly, it would be negotiated quick and fairly I have no doubt.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 07:00 PM
Kotsay pinch hitting.

LeCure warming up

Kc61
07-08-2012, 07:00 PM
Last batter for Cueto, I think.

105 pitches.

Vottomatic
07-08-2012, 07:03 PM
Stubbs last 10 games:

39 at-bats
2 hits - 1 double, 1 HR, 2 rbi
4 walks
14 K's

JaxRed
07-08-2012, 07:03 PM
I like LeCure better in the "eat innings" role rather than the "snuff out rally" role

mth123
07-08-2012, 07:03 PM
Kotsay pinch hitting.

LeCure warming up

I want Kotsay on the Reds bench after the break.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-08-2012, 07:04 PM
Careful Johnny

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 07:04 PM
Kotsay walks in a run. 3-2 Reds.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 07:06 PM
LeCure coming in to face Denorfia

cbowen2112
07-08-2012, 07:06 PM
I don't like these bloops that keep falling for them.

VR
07-08-2012, 07:06 PM
Johnny with 3 mediocre starts in huge ballparks.

Enjoy the AS break, look much needed.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 07:07 PM
Didn't get to six innings. Pretty disappointing outing for Johnny. Your ace is supposed to do better than that against an inferior club. Now we're back to a one-run game again with possible disaster.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 07:07 PM
1 run lead is TOTALLY the fault of the offense.

1st & 3rd with 1 out in the 3rd inning. 2 k's.
1st & 3rd with NO outs in the 6th inning. 2 k's, an IBB and a 3rd K.

That is BEYOND pitiful execution.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 07:07 PM
I don't like these bloops that keep falling for them.

And walks

fearofpopvol1
07-08-2012, 07:07 PM
LeCure comes through big in 1 pitch.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2012, 07:07 PM
Nice job Sam. 3-2 Reds after 6.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2012, 07:08 PM
Denorfia flies out to right on the first pitch. 3-2 Reds after 6.

Tony Cloninger
07-08-2012, 07:08 PM
So who takes the Cy Worst award this year? Bell or Lincecum?

A tie...like the 1976 NL ROY award.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2012, 07:08 PM
Breaks the string of quality starts.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-08-2012, 07:08 PM
Didn't get to six innings. Pretty disappointing outing for Johnny. Your ace is supposed to do better than that against an inferior club. Now we're back to a one-run game again with possible disaster.

I'm sure Tony LaRussa is happy about this outing.