8/10/12 - Reds @ Cubs

[Tom Servo]

Zack Cozart 6
Drew Stubbs 8
Brandon Phillips 4
Ryan Ludwick 7
Xavier Paul 9
Todd Frazier 3
Wilson Valdez 5
Devin Mesoraco 2
Homer Bailey 1

no lineups yet, but I have a pretty good W-L record with starting game threads :)

[cumberlandreds]

no lineups yet, but I have a pretty good W-L record with starting game threads :)

It's time for desparate measures. :)

Here is the Cubby Bears lineup via baseballpress.com:

1. David DeJesus (L) RF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=dejesda01&year=Career&t=b)
2. Darwin Barney (R) 2B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=barneda01&year=Career&t=b)
3. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=rizzoan01&year=Career&t=b)
4. Alfonso Soriano (R) LF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=soriaal01&year=Career&t=b)
5. Starlin Castro (R) SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=castrst01&year=Career&t=b)
6. Josh Vitters (R) 3B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=vittejo01&year=Career&t=b)
7. Brett Jackson (L) CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=jacksbr01&year=Career&t=b)
8. Welington Castillo (R) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=castiwe01&year=Career&t=b)
9. Justin Germano (R) P (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=germaju01&year=Career&t=b)

[cumberlandreds]

No FSNOhio TV today. It is on WGN.

[cumberlandreds]

Here's the Reds lineup. No Bruce or Rolen today.

1. Zack Cozart (R) SS
2. Drew Stubbs (R) CF
3. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
4. Ryan Ludwick (R) LF
5. Xavier Paul (L) RF
6. Todd Frazier (R) 1B
7. Wilson Valdez (R) 3B
8. Devin Mesoraco (R) C
9. Homer Bailey (R) P

[Tom Servo]

so...interesting lineup

[lollipopcurve]

Glad to see Paul in there ahead of Bruce. Bruce needs a break.

[REDREAD]

Glad to see Paul in there ahead of Bruce. Bruce needs a break.

Hopefully Bruce can get back on track.. Now that Dusty's magic leprechaun
appears to have left.. we really need Bruce to pull out of his funk.

I was really hoping to see Rolen today. He's had the 5th, 8th, and 9th off.
But I guess better safe than sorry. I know with his shoulder/back, the Reds really have to be careful not to run him into the ground.

So not really complaining.. just commenting.. I really hope we can win today. I'm hoping for 2 of 3 from the Cubs. I'm really going to be bummed out if the Pirate catch us.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce is 0 for his last 12 AB with 7 strikeouts in the 12 ABs so probably a good time for a day off.

[Crumbley]

Happy to see Paul playing.

[OldXOhio]

What's wrong w/ Rolen?

[OesterPoster]

What's wrong w/ Rolen?

One source said back spasms again, but another source said "soreness"...whatever that means. I'm sore every day. :D

[OldXOhio]

One source said back spasms again, but another source said "soreness"...whatever that means. I'm sore every day. :D

So what you're saying is this is what happens next week:

Votto returns
Rolen to the DL
Cairo lives another day

[cumberlandreds]

So what you're saying is this is what happens next week:

Votto returns
Rolen to the DL
Cairo lives another day

Don't doubt that a bit.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart strikes out swinging

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs grounds out to short on the first pitch. 2 outs.

[cumberlandreds]

Cozart K's to start the game. 70 degrees in Chicago. That sounds really good after a extremely hot summer here in DC.

Stubbs grounds out for the 2nd out.

[LawFive]

So what you're saying is this is what happens next week:

Votto returns
Rolen to the DL
Cairo lives another day

And if they do that, and leave Rolen on the DL until after 9/1, I believe that would expand the pool of playoff-eligible players by one.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to 3rd. 0-0 mid 1st.

[Reds Fanatic]

DeJesus singles to left off the glove of Valdez

[OesterPoster]

I'm listening, not watching. Should Valdez have made that play?

[cincrazy]

Cubs announcers just compared Homer Bailey to Justin Germano. "Similar pitching styles. This guy isn't going to overpower anybody." Ouch babe.

[Reds Fanatic]

I'm listening, not watching. Should Valdez have made that play?

No that would have been a pretty hard play to make

[cumberlandreds]

No that would have been a pretty hard play to make

Thanks. I'm listening too. Kelch didn't describe the play very well.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bloop hit to left center. Stubbs attempted a sliding catch but could not come up with it. 1st and 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wind blowing in from left today about 24 MPH.

[cincrazy]

This sucker might get ugly real quick. And with the end blowing in, and this lineup, it might become six straight losses in a hurry if this inning gets away from Homer. Bases loaded no one out as Rizzo walks.

[Reds Fanatic]

This is an ugly start. 4 pitch walk. Bases loaded no outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Soriano grounds into a 6-4 FC.1-0 Cubs. 1st and 3rd.

[kbrake]

This isn't fun.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro strikes out looking.

[Reds Fanatic]

Vitters grounds into a 5-4 FC. 1-0 Cubs after 1.

[cumberlandreds]

Good comeback by Bailey. Lets just hope that one run does not hold up this game.

[Tom Servo]

Good job Homer.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ludwick singles to left

[cincrazy]

That was a huge bounceback from Bailey. Soriano and Castro killed us last night. Getting those 2 guys out and only giving up a run is big.

[cincrazy]

If we score more than 3 runs today, I feel like it would take a miracle. I still like our chances of winning the games. But don't like our chances of scoring much.

[Reds Fanatic]

Paul pops out to Castro in shallow center.

[cumberlandreds]

WooHoo a run!

[Reds Fanatic]

Frazier doubles to left. Tie game 1-1

[cincrazy]

Rbi double by Frazier. Big-time hit right there.

[OldXOhio]

Rbi double by Frazier. Big-time hit right there.

finding his stroke again

[Reds Fanatic]

Valdez flies out to left.

[Tom Servo]

If we score more than 3 runs today, I feel like it would take a miracle. I still like our chances of winning the games. But don't like our chances of scoring much.There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to score runs against Germano and the Cubs bullpen.

[Reds Fanatic]

Intentional walk to Mesoraco

[Chip R]

There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to score runs against Germano and the Cubs bullpen.

Could have said the same thing last night.

[cincrazy]

There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to score runs against Germano and the Cubs bullpen.

In theory, you're correct. In reality, this lineup is a poo-poo platter of awfulness.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bailey singles to center. 2-1 Reds!

[Tom Servo]

Could have said the same thing last night.
I did say it last night. They should have. I guess I should say there's no 'good reason', with lack of performance being a bad reason.

[cincrazy]

Well, maybe they'll make me look silly. Here's hoping they do.

[OesterPoster]

They just scored two runs without the benefit of a HR. Who is this team?

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart grounds into a 6-4 FC. 2-1 Reds mid 2nd.

[cincrazy]

If this were the early 1900s and everybobdy had to have nicknames, what do you think Cozart's would be? I'm voting Popup Cozart. Even though he grounded out there, not popping out, per usual.

[cincrazy]

They just scored two runs without the benefit of a HR. Who is this team?

It's called "Cubs opponent." Amazing things happen to those teams ;).

[cumberlandreds]

Brett Jackson has now struck 9 of his last 11 AB's.

[Reds Fanatic]

Jackson strikes out looking. 2 Ks for Bailey

[Tom Servo]

If this were the early 1900s and everybobdy had to have nicknames, what do you think Cozart's would be? I'm voting Popup Cozart. Even though he grounded out there, not popping out, per usual.
Puddin Head Cozart

[Kc61]

If this were the early 1900s and everybobdy had to have nicknames, what do you think Cozart's would be? I'm voting Popup Cozart. Even though he grounded out there, not popping out, per usual.

Cozart has been very good of late. I have high hopes for the young player.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castillo flies out to center.

[cumberlandreds]

Cozart has been very good of late. I have high hopes for the young player.

If this team had a true lead off hitter, Cozart would have been much better hitting towards the bottom of the order. That would have let him have less pressure and developed a little quicker. I think he will be a very good MLB player nonetheless.

[Reds Fanatic]

3 Ks for Bailey. 2-1 Reds after 2.

[cumberlandreds]

Bailey settling in. We sure could use an excellent outing by him.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs flies out to right.

[cincrazy]

I like Cozart, just having a little fun :). Would like him a lot more if he wasn't going to end up with 1200 ABs this season. Not his fault, of course.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips reaches on an error on Rizzo

[OesterPoster]

Phillips reaches on an error on Rizzo

Rizzo made a mistake?

Even though the neighborhood thinks I'm trashy,
And no good,
I suppose it could be true,
But there are worse things I could do.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ludwick homers to left center!!! 4-1 Reds!

[Reds Fanatic]

Paul singles to right.

[Plus Plus]

Paul singles to right.

I like what I have seen out of Paul and hope he gets to stay around for a while.

[Reds Fanatic]

Paul steals 2nd on a pitch in the dirt.

[Reds Fanatic]

Frazier chases an outside pitch and strikes out swinging.

[Reds Fanatic]

Valdez reaches on an error on Vitters. 1st and 3rd.

[OesterPoster]

Oh wow. Chicago Bad News Baby Bears

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow another error. Wow the Cubs are bad. Error on Castro. 5-1 Reds.

[757690]

If Barney had made an error that inning, would that be considered fielding for the cycle?

[WildcatFan]

Three errors by three different Cubs this inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bailey grounds into a 6-4 FC. 5-1 Reds mid 3rd

[Reds Fanatic]

DeJesus grounds out to 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Barney reaches on an infield hit off the glove of Bailey

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Rizzo

[Reds Fanatic]

That is 4 hits for the Cubs today and they have not hit a single ball hard all day. Just infield hits and bloops.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wild pitch moves the runners to 2nd and 3rd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Soriano doubles to left. 5-3 Reds.

[smith288]

Reds are just not getting the stops or drops they got when they were winning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Soriano steals 3rd

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro walks

[Reds Freak]

And here we go...

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro steals 2nd. This is going downhill fast.

[kbrake]

Feels like early April again. Nothing goes right for too long.

[Reds Freak]

I've only been watching on Game Day the past few nights but I don't think the Reds have got a pitch called for a strike on a corner in a week..

[Reds Fanatic]

1-2 FC. 2 outs.

[cincrazy]

Can't believe we are blowing this game. This is all Ondrusek's fault, I hate him!

[Reds Fanatic]

Good block of the plate by Mesoraco

[cincrazy]

What a play by Bailey. Whew.

[Reds Fanatic]

Fly out to left. 5-3 Reds after 3.

[smith288]

Need to stop these types of innings.

[OesterPoster]

That's a relief. Need. More. Runs.

[NJReds]

Two stolen bases in the inning. Is Bailey just ignoring the runners, or is it more on Mes?

[REDREAD]

Come on Homer.. pull yourself together for the rest of the game.

I know the world won't end if we lose this game, but man.. we have to win this one.. :)

[cincrazy]

Two stolen bases in the inning. Is Bailey just ignoring the runners, or is it more on Mes?

Homer has always had a problem holding runners. I'd lay the blame at his feet.

[kbrake]

Two stolen bases in the inning. Is Bailey just ignoring the runners, or is it more on Mes?

Think Bailey has always had issues holding runners on.

[Reds Fanatic]

I missed it but Cozart is out.

[NJReds]

Homer has always had a problem holding runners. I'd lay the blame at his feet.

I figured as much, but I'm only following the game on this gamethread. Not watching today.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs grounds out to 2nd.

[cincrazy]

I figured as much, but I'm only following the game on this gamethread. Not watching today.

You're lucky you don't have to watch this torture on the air lol.

[Tom Servo]

Yeah apparently I'm blacked out of WGN coverage. C'mon Homer, stop coughing up runs.

[bucksfan2]

Its nice to have a 5 game losing streak and Homer is bringing is D game.

[Reds Freak]

Alfredo Simon will need to be big today.

[Tom Servo]

Apparently I do get the game :)

Nice DP

[Red Rover]

Wow, only 15 pitches for Bailey that inning. Too bad 10 of them were to the pitcher. Bailey at 76 pitches, possibly 2 more innings at most.

[REDREAD]

I think Logan needs to be rested today.. We want him fresh for the stretch run. :laugh:

[Tom Servo]

With 2 outs Frazier walks and Valdez singles, Frazier to third.


Valdez takes 2nd on a ball in the dirt to Mez.

[Chip R]

I think Logan needs to be rested today.. We want him fresh for the stretch run. :laugh:

in spring training.

[Tom Servo]

Mes flies out to right with runners on 2nd and 3rd. Disappointing. I feel like our catchers stats with RISP have got to be pretty bad.

[Red Rover]

.219, .215, .146, .245 & .231 in a row is probably not going to scare a whole lot of teams. Actually could be worse, I forgot about Cairo & his .154

[Tom Servo]

Nice 1-2-3 there for Homer.

5-3 after 5.

[Chip R]

Mes flies out to right with runners on 2nd and 3rd. Disappointing. I feel like our catchers stats with RISP have got to be pretty bad.

[Tom Servo]

Cozart isn't very fast...

[Tom Servo]

Stubbs with a two out infield single. That's it for Germano.

[Big Klu]

Cozart isn't very fast...

Cozart has good speed. He just wasn't running hard out of the box.

[Tom Servo]

lol! Stubbs steals second, and the ball goes past everybody so Stubbs scores.

6-3 Reds.

[OesterPoster]

LOLcubs.

[smith288]

LOLZ@CUBS

[Tom Servo]

BP bloop double

[NJReds]

The Cubs are trying their hardest to help out the cause. Hopefully the Reds can take advantage.

[Big Klu]

The Cubs are trying their hardest to help out the cause. Hopefully the Reds can take advantage.

The Cubs are trying their hardest to kill Dale Sveum.

[Tom Servo]

Ludwick walks
Paul walks

Bases juiced for Frazier

[Tom Servo]

Frazier base hit to right! BP and Ludwick score.

8-3 Reds

[Tom Servo]

Valdez grounds out to third.

8-3 good guys to the bottom of 6

[VR]

Continue to enjoy Todd Frazier.

[REDREAD]

lol! Stubbs steals second, and the ball goes past everybody so Stubbs scores.

6-3 Reds.

Thank you Cubbies.. We needed the confidence booster :)

[Tom Servo]

lol! BP faked out Castro, and he's out at 3rd after a Vitters single.

[RedsManRick]

Starlin Castro is a very talented disaster. The kid just can't seem to get his head out of the clouds.

[smith288]

LOL....

"That kind of day" says the announcer.

No, "we're the cubs"

[cincrazy]

And we get mad at Bruce for his brain cramps lol.

[Tom Servo]

8-4 off a Castillo double. Ugly play again. You can tell Dusty just wants Homer to get thru 6.

Won't get the chance though. Arredondo in.

[cincrazy]

double post

[cincrazy]

What a strange game. I hate this ballpark. Crazy stuff always happens.

[Tom Servo]

Arredondo gets PH LaHair to flyout to left.


8-4 Reds after 6.

[Tom Servo]

Mez with a single
PH Leake K's
Cozart with an ugly swing, a grounder to first off the bat head. Cubs take the out at first.

[cincrazy]

This bench situation is so putrid. Dusty's probably had an undermanned bench in at least half of the games he's managed this year.

[Tom Servo]

Stubbs K's looking.

8-4 to the bottom of 7

[Tom Servo]

Marshall in


DeJesus walks

[Tom Servo]

ugh. Barney single, DeJesus to third. no outs.

[cincrazy]

A leadoff walk followed by a single has runners at the corners with no one out. Marshall not looking good today. Rizzo up, LeCure warming up in pen.

[Tom Servo]

Rizzo lines one off of Marshall. DeJeus doesn't score. Rizzo out at first. 2nd and 3rd, 1 out.


Marshall out, LeCure in.

You know, this does beg the question of why Dusty used Arredondo once again just to face 1 batter...

[Kc61]

Rizzo hits lines one off of Marshall. DeJeus doesn't score. Rizzo out at first. 2nd and 3rd, 1 out.


Marshall out, LeCure in.

You know, this does beg the question of why Dusty used Arredondo once again just to face 1 batter...

Exactly right. Arredondo is effective. Is he only allowed to pitch to one man usually in the sixth?

[Tom Servo]

Soriano pops up to left.

[Tom Servo]

Castro doubles off the wall

8-6 game.

[Tom Servo]

Vitters grounds out to third

8-6 after 7. I don't know if I can take anymore of this.

[REDREAD]

Is Brox or someone else warming up?
Hopefully just one more "hold your breath" inning. (I'm exaggerating, the pen has been good for the most part.. it just seems like everything bad than can happen, does :) )

[Tom Servo]

Is Brox or someone else warming up?
Hopefully just one more "hold your breath" inning. (I'm exaggerating, the pen has been good for the most part.. it just seems like everything bad than can happen, does :) )
I'm sure Dusty is thinking Broxton 8 and Chapman 9, but unfortunately I have 0 confidence in any Reds pitchers right now.

[Tom Servo]

Ludwick doubles down the line with 1 out. I'd say he's an important insurance run.

Ludwick to third on a wild pitch.

X-Man walks. 1st and 3rd for Frazier.

[Tom Servo]

Frazier single up the middle!

9-6 Reds

[VR]

Frazier single up the middle!

9-6 Reds

/sig

[Tom Servo]

runner to 2nd and 3rd on a passed ball

[cincrazy]

So much for my call that this team would be lucky to score more than 3 runs. Never underestimate the Cubs ability to suck.

[Tom Servo]

aaaand Valdez pops one up a few feet in front of home. Fail.

[RedsMan3203]

aaaand Valdez pops one up a few feet in front of home. Fail.


Well, I'm sure he was thinking... "This is the Cubs, anything is possible"

[Tom Servo]

Mez with a shallow popup caught in the outfield by Barney. I wanted more runs.

9-6 to the bottom of 8.

[VR]

Boy it would be nice if Mes caught fire for some stretches like he did the last couple of years in the minors. It seems like his D has really come around, but the bat, not so much.

[edabbs44]

This bench situation is so putrid. Dusty's probably had an undermanned bench in at least half of the games he's managed this year.

And they are killing it. Can you imagine what a real manager would do with an undermanned bench?

[RedsMan3203]

How about Chapman for a 6 out save?

[kbrake]

I wouldn't waste much time. Chapman has had a few days off. I'd hate to see this one slip away.

[VR]

This feels like 2007.

[kbrake]

I would not give them any more chances. Bring Chapman in now.

[Cedric]

Hurry back Nick.

[OesterPoster]

I would not give them any more chances. Bring Chapman in now.

You don't like losing games with your best pitcher on the bench? ;)

[Cedric]

Did somebody really scout this guy and think he looked like an upgrade? He looks defeated after every hit given up and he can't locate a pitch to save his life.

[Crumbley]

Hurry back Nick.
You're not kidding, he's gone from luxury to urgently needed. Hoover has been unhittable in Louisville, time to see if he can get some outs.

[Cyclone792]

Phillips made a very nice play to snag that ball behind the bag at second and throw Barney out.

Dusty now with the proverbial "I've seen enough." Chapman's coming in.

[757690]

And people wondered why the Reds wanted to add relief pitching at the deadline.

[cincrazy]

Doug is too classy to do this, so I'll do it for him: He told us so. Broxton should not be pitching the eighth.

[Cyclone792]

Rizzo gone swinging! Inning over, and we've still got a 9-8 lead.

[RedsMan3203]

Chapman K's him on a 102 mph heater....

[OesterPoster]

More runs please.

[Cedric]

More runs please.

Chapman has this one finished.

[westofyou]

When the wind blows in Chicago the game becomes weird, always has... crazy stuff

[Brutus]

Did somebody really scout this guy and think he looked like an upgrade? He looks defeated after every hit given up and he can't locate a pitch to save his life.

Are you serious with this?

I'm not sure you're watching the same guy.

[Brutus]

Doug is too classy to do this, so I'll do it for him: He told us so. Broxton should not be pitching the eighth.

So all of the good outings mean nothing, but the bad outings are proof.

This board is downright silly sometimes.

[NJReds]

Reds have 12 hits, 5 walks and the Cubs have committed 5 errors and have 2 wild pitches, yet the closer still has to come in in the 8th inning.

[VR]

When the wind blows in Chicago the game becomes weird, always has... crazy stuff

23-22, craziest game I have ever had the pleasure to see.

[Cyclone792]

Hanigan came in for Mesoraco on a double-switch when Chapman entered and now he promptly singles to lead off the 9th. It'd be nice to get him across the plate.

[kbrake]

So all of the good outings mean nothing, but the bad outings are proof.

This board is downright silly sometimes.

Yes it is.

[Cyclone792]

Cozart doubles down the line! Hanigan scores! We're rolling again.

[cincrazy]

So all of the good outings mean nothing, but the bad outings are proof.

This board is downright silly sometimes.

Did I say that he was a trash pitcher? I didn't say the pickup was a mistake, so please don't take my words out of context. I said he shouldn't be pitching the 8th. That role should belong to Marshall.

[cincrazy]

[QUOTE=kbrake;2699764]Yes it is.[/QUOT

So is the Reds' ability to bunt :(.

[kaldaniels]

Officially a crazy day at Wrigley. Take it all with a grain of salt.

[OesterPoster]

No more bunts! Ugh.

[Cyclone792]

Stubbs pops out to the pitcher on a bunt attempt. One down, Cozart still at second.

[NJReds]

Soriano really wasn't in much of a hurry to get that ball. Great job by Hanigan to score.

[kbrake]

[QUOTE=kbrake;2699764]Yes it is.[/QUOT

So is the Reds' ability to bunt :(.

I prefer to use words that this board frowns upon to describe the Reds ability to bunt.

[757690]

I just think the team hasn't fully recovered from the whole "talking in the third person" jinx here on Redszone :p

[Brutus]

Did I say that he was a trash pitcher? I didn't say the pickup was a mistake, so please don't take my words out of context. I said he shouldn't be pitching the 8th. That role should belong to Marshall.

Yet Sean Marshall struggled today too. If you haven't noticed, everyone on the Reds have been struggling for almost a week. I'm not sure why Broxton's performance is any more suggestive he shouldn't be pitching the 8th than Marshall's was where he gave up three baserunners in the 7th.

[Cyclone792]

Did I say that he was a trash pitcher? I didn't say the pickup was a mistake, so please don't take my words out of context. I said he shouldn't be pitching the 8th. That role should belong to Marshall.

I agree with you that Marshall should be pitching the 8th. However, to be fair, even Marshall's had two straight rough outings.

Even good relievers have bad games and a rough stretch. But when both our setup guys decide to have a rough stretch simultaneously, it's not going to be pretty. Just be thankful that we should hopefully still grab this win if Chapman comes through.

[cincrazy]

[QUOTE=cincrazy;2699773]

I prefer to use words that this board frowns upon to describe the Reds ability to bunt.

haha, indeed. It really is like an epidemic at this point.

LOL at this game and this weather.

[NJReds]

Game feed froze, but something wacky happened.

[OesterPoster]

I'd love to see Chapman hit this inning.

[cincrazy]

Cyclone and Brutus, I agree. Marshall has been a bit shaky lately too. Just a bad stretch by the team overall. Trust me, I'm not overreacting to this like most. I like Broxton as a pickup, I truly do. I just think his stuff plays better in the 8th. That's all I was implying. He's not a HORRIBLE 8th inning option, I just think Marshall is better.

[757690]

How was Phillips not at second. That was a mile high.

[Chip R]

Game feed froze, but something wacky happened.

Phillips popped up to short LF and it fell in. Hanigan at 3rd, Phillips at 1st.

[Cyclone792]

Ludwick pops out to shallow left and Cozart's unable to tag from third. Two out.

[Chip R]

Ludwick pops to LF. 2 outs.

[cincrazy]

I would hate it if my team's home games were in a park like this. It's truly a crapshoot on days like this.

[Chip R]

You don't have to swing at every pitch, Xavier.

[kaldaniels]

Per Brenly, the most consistent hard wind in years at Wrigley.

[NJReds]

Phillips popped up to short LF and it fell in. Hanigan at 3rd, Phillips at 1st.

I could hear the Cubs announcers, and they made it sound more adventurous then that. Apparently the outfielders collided, too.

[Brutus]

Cyclone and Brutus, I agree. Marshall has been a bit shaky lately too. Just a bad stretch by the team overall. Trust me, I'm not overreacting to this like most. I like Broxton as a pickup, I truly do. I just think his stuff plays better in the 8th. That's all I was implying. He's not a HORRIBLE 8th inning option, I just think Marshall is better.

Let's set aside what anyone thinks of Broxton for a moment. A case could be made that Marshall is much more suited to pitch the 7th because of his versatility.

Broxton is basically a one-inning pitcher because of his surgery and durability, except in isolated cases. So if you bring him in during the 7th, you're usually guaranteed of needing someone for the 8th.

However, if you bring in Marshall, you can be a lot more versatile and keep him in for two innings depending on the lineup, whether the Reds score in the 7th/8th, etc. I think by having Marshall in the 7th, the Reds can play against high leverage much better than if they did it the other way around.

[Chip R]

I could hear the Cubs announcers, and they made it sound more adventurous then that. Apparently the outfielders collided, too.

Castro and Jackson collided. Jackson seemed to get the worst of it. It was an adventure.

[cincrazy]

Let's set aside what anyone thinks of Broxton for a moment. A case could be made that Marshall is much more suited to pitch the 7th because of his versatility.

Broxton is basically a one-inning pitcher because of his surgery and durability, except in isolated cases. So if you bring him in during the 7th, you're usually guaranteed of needing someone for the 8th.

However, if you bring in Marshall, you can be a lot more versatile and keep him in for two innings depending on the lineup, whether the Reds score in the 7th/8th, etc. I think by having Marshall in the 7th, the Reds can play against high leverage much better than if they did it the other way around.

Fair point. Never thought of it from that approach.

[Big Klu]

Cyclone and Brutus, I agree. Marshall has been a bit shaky lately too. Just a bad stretch by the team overall. Trust me, I'm not overreacting to this like most. I like Broxton as a pickup, I truly do. I just think his stuff plays better in the 8th. That's all I was implying. He's not a HORRIBLE 8th inning option, I just think Marshall is better.

I think it depends on lefty-righty matchups. Marshall and Broxton are interchangeable in the seventh and eighth, depending on whether the opponent has LH or RH batters due up.

[NJReds]

10-8 going to the bottom of the ninth.

[Cedric]

Let's set aside what anyone thinks of Broxton for a moment. A case could be made that Marshall is much more suited to pitch the 7th because of his versatility.

Broxton is basically a one-inning pitcher because of his surgery and durability, except in isolated cases. So if you bring him in during the 7th, you're usually guaranteed of needing someone for the 8th.

However, if you bring in Marshall, you can be a lot more versatile and keep him in for two innings depending on the lineup, whether the Reds score in the 7th/8th, etc. I think by having Marshall in the 7th, the Reds can play against high leverage much better than if they did it the other way around.

That's exactly how I would play it. I would just use Arredondo or Masset for the 8th going through September and October.

[Big Klu]

I could hear the Cubs announcers, and they made it sound more adventurous then that. Apparently the outfielders collided, too.

CF Jackson collided with SS Castro. LF Soriano had to retrieve the ball and return it to the infield.

[Brutus]

That's exactly how I would play it. I would just use Arredondo or Masset for the 8th going through September and October.

If Masset is healthy, he would be a tremendous lift to the bullpen (it would take away leverage innings from Ondrusek). That said, I trust Broxton a whole heck of a lot more than Arredondo and his nearly 5 1/2 walks per nine innings.

[OesterPoster]

Slider.

[cincrazy]

Ummmm I think we can all agree Chapman is nasty.

[cincrazy]

Are we currently watching the nastiest arm in the history of this franchise?

[kaldaniels]

I'm concerned it is getting too late for Masset to ramp it up into top form this year.

[kaldaniels]

Are we currently watching the nastiest arm in the history of this franchise?

No question.

[NJReds]

2 out ... flyout to Stubbs.

[Kc61]

I'm concerned it is getting too late for Masset to ramp it up into top form this year.

Last time he was in top form was 2009.

[OesterPoster]

We're good again. Finally.

[Tom Servo]

We're good again. Finally.
You ain't lying. :beerme:



I give credit to you guys who stuck around. I turned off the TV when the Reds went up 9-6 because I KNEW it was going to be like that.

[VR]

No question.

Kirk Saarloos

[NJReds]

Thank the lord, we got a win.

[757690]

757590 thinks the third person jinx is over ;)

[Kc61]

Root for Volquez tonight at Pitt.

[membengal]

Is that a win? Zoinks!

[_Sir_Charles_]

I wasn't able to watch the game today, so I followed on WLW...MAN am I'm pissed I couldn't watch this one. That comedy of errors had to have been a blast to watch. I'm still giggling after watching the highlights of Phillips' play faking out Castro and Phillips' giving Paul a hard time with that "adventure" he had in right. Too darned funny.

[REDREAD]

Doug is too classy to do this, so I'll do it for him: He told us so. Broxton should not be pitching the eighth.

Too early to say either way, IMO