8/18 Game Deux - Reds at Cubs

[The Operator]

Let's go for that rare double-header sweep!


Drew Stubbs 8
Wilson Valdez 6
Brandon Phillips 4
Ryan Ludwick 7
Todd Frazier 3
Jay Bruce 9
Scott Rolen 5
Devin Mesoraco 2
Todd Redmond 1

[mth123]

Let's go for that rare double-header sweep!


Drew Stubbs 8
Wilson Valdez 6
Brandon Phillips 4
Ryan Ludwick 7
Todd Frazier 3
Jay Bruce 9
Scott Rolen 5
Devin Mesoraco 2
Todd Redmond 1

I'd have Cozart in there against this lefty to score as much as possible with Redmond pitching, but that's a minor quibble really. I'm looking for double digits in this game. Valdez is better against lefty pitching than he is righties too.

[Tom Servo]

Deux Deux Deux

Chris Berman On Smuggling Drugs - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0q4oibfs9g)

[KittyDuran]

They're showing the Bucs-Cards game on the scoreboard... Molina just drove in 2 runs.6246

[VR]

Who's spot did Redmond take?

First start outside of the fantastic 5 this year.....It August 18th.

[VR]

Who's spot did Redmond take?

First start outside of the fantastic 5 this year.....It August 18th.

Nevermind...see that they get a free roster spot on DH days.

[KittyDuran]

More Cubs fans, but that was expected. Seem a little more subdued... hmmm... ;)

[KittyDuran]

Well, guess I need to turn in my season tickets for making a BIG mistake! I thought that the big pic on the team shop was Cordero. I even agreed w/another tweeter answering Jamie that he was wrong (Jamie said it was Cueto). So I was ready to tweet Jamie back a pic. Took the pic, then was going to send the pic on the upper level gift shop, which I knew was Johnny. Guess what? They're both him! I guess I was looking at the position not the number. Cordero's # BTW was 48. Oh the shame!!! :( Sorry Johnny and Jamie!

[gilpdawg]

Well, guess I need to turn in my season tickets for making a BIG mistake! I thought that the big pic on the team shop was Cordero. I even agreed w/another tweeter answering Jamie that he was wrong (Jamie said it was Cueto). So I was ready to tweet Jamie back a pic. Took the pic, then was going to send the pic on the upper level gift shop, which I knew was Johnny. Guess what? They're both him! I guess I was looking at the position not the number. Cordero's # BTW was 48. Oh the shame!!! :( Sorry Johnny and Jamie!

Wasn't Cordero on the upstairs one last year?

[KittyDuran]

Wasn't Cordero on the upstairs one last year?

Can't remember.

[Degenerate39]

Valbuena walked

[Degenerate39]

Mather fouled out to catcher

[OnBaseMachine]

Cozart probably catches that.

[alloverjr]

Cozart probably catches that.

Yea. Didn't attack the ball very well.

[WebScorpion]

Pirates down 5-4 in the top of the 9th; men on 1st & 3rd, 1 out.

[VottoFan54]

8 pitch walk to load the bases.

[Degenerate39]

A. Rizzo struck out swinging
- S. Castro singled to shallow left center, L. Valbuena to third
- S. Castro stole second
- B. LaHair walked

[WebScorpion]

Redmond doesn't seem to have an out pitch...everything appears hittable. He needs a ground out.

[Tom Servo]

no damage done :)

[Degenerate39]

Redmond doesn't seem to have an out pitch...everything appears hittable. He needs a ground out.

And that's what he gets

[RedlegJake]

nothing appears eminently hittable either though...case of a tweener...thats the reason he's 29 and just now getting his first showng

[elfmanvt07]

Cards held on.

[Tom Servo]

nothing appears eminently hittable either though...case of a tweener...thats the reason he's 29 and just now getting his first showng
27

[RedlegJake]

27

thanks...27

[kaldaniels]

If you gave me 4 scoreless innings from Redmond I'd take it right now.

[RedlegJake]

If you gave me 4 scoreless innings from Redmond I'd take it right now.

me too...I just hope he sttles down now that he got an inning out of the way - for a pitcher with a rep for control he was kinda shaky...probably nerves

[Degenerate39]

I wish Grande would quit saying Redmond threw a no hitter against the "Cincinnati Reds". It was a minor league team not the actual Cincinnati Reds

[Homer Bailey]

0-1 pitch easily in the zone, called a ball. 1-1 count instead of an 0-2, and Brett Jackson goes yard. Sigh.

[OnBaseMachine]

Redmond doesn't have much. I was really hoping the Reds could acquire better SP depth at the deadline in case of an injury. We are screwed if one of the 5 starting pitchers go down with injury.

[Tom Servo]

Redmond doesn't have much. I was really hoping the Reds could acquire better SP depth at the deadline in case of an injury. We are screwed if one of the 5 starting pitchers go down with injury.
Well there is still another 2 weeks until the waiver deadline is over. And really, while Redmond may not be great, there isn't usually much in the way of decent back of rotation starters available. Not like Joe Blanton is a huge upgrade.

[edabbs44]

Redmond doesn't have much. I was really hoping the Reds could acquire better SP depth at the deadline in case of an injury. We are screwed if one of the 5 starting pitchers go down with injury.

Screwed how? Sizeable lead and won't need a 5th in the playoffs.

[dsmith421]

I remember when we had four versions of this guy in our starting rotation.

[Tony Cloninger]

This guys is like watching Brian Reith.

[KittyDuran]

This guys is like watching Brian Reith.

Thanks for the memories... :(

[Tony Cloninger]

Thanks for the memories... :(

I will always treasure the memories of him, Joey Hamilton ...Jimmy Haynes and of course....The Manzanillo.

[WebScorpion]

This guys is like watching Brian Reith.It's only the 2nd inning, maybe he'll get into a rhythm. :dunno: He's actually gotten a few nice swing and misses on breaking balls, so there is SOME promise. We'll see...

Of course, at his current rate he'll be at 100 pitches after the 4th. :rolleyes:

[Tom Servo]

Redmond even kinda physically LOOKS like some of those past pitchers. :lol:

[Brutus]

Redmond doesn't have much. I was really hoping the Reds could acquire better SP depth at the deadline in case of an injury. We are screwed if one of the 5 starting pitchers go down with injury.

Not really. There's six weeks left in the season. There's 40 games after this (well, 41 to be exact). That's only eight more starts left for a fifth starter even if it happened tomorrow. I wouldn't like to see someone go down, but we're late enough in the season the Reds could get by with a weak link at the end of the rotation.

[Tom Servo]

Ludwick! :jump:

[Degenerate39]

Ludwick so hot right now

[OnBaseMachine]

Ryan Ludwick again! #24! 1-1.

[Homer Bailey]

Ryan Ludwick is amazing. Who could have seen this coming? Solo shot to left.

[Redsfan320]

BROTHER!!!

God this team is fun to watch.

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[Homer Bailey]

I have a feeling Frazier is about to do the same.

[Brutus]

I'm going to assume the Reds will need several more of those before the night is over (no offense to Mr. Redmond).

[alloverjr]

Ryan Ludwick is amazing. Who could have seen this coming? Solo shot to left.

Ryan's mom?

[WebScorpion]

Tie ball game! Ryan Ludwick goes BOOM! :beerme:

[WebScorpion]

Not sure what Todd was saying, but he made the ump laugh. :laugh:

[redhawkfish]

BROTHER!!!

God this team is fun to watch.

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Your avatar is awesome! I dropped my daughter off Thursday for the start of her freshman year!

[KittyDuran]

I will always treasure the memories of him, Joey Hamilton ...Jimmy Haynes and of course....The Manzanillo.

Ouch... ;)

[Redsfan320]

Your avatar is awesome! I dropped my daughter off Thursday for the start of her freshman year!

Thanks... I'm starting freshman year Monday also (commuting from home).

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[Tom Servo]

3 walks already by Redmond

[Tony Cloninger]

3 walks already by Redmond

He's pitching scared. He had nothing to lose and just go out and throw but he could not do that. Too bad.

[Tom Servo]

Make that 4 walks.

[OldXOhio]

I would gladly take 5 IP out of Redmond, but don't see it happening

[Homer Bailey]

He has had pretty darn good control in the minors, so this is surprising. Has to be a little bit of nerves for him.

[Tom Servo]

I'd be pretty mad if that were a called strike 3 on a Red.

[WebScorpion]

Look Redmond, this is the Cubs. They'll get themselves out if you let them. :D

[Homer Bailey]

It was a strike per CSN and per gameday.

[Tom Servo]

Redmond living on the edge and surviving.

[OnBaseMachine]

I'd take 4 innings of 2 runs or less from Redmond and hand it over to the bullpen.

[Tom Servo]

I'd take 4 innings of 2 runs or less from Redmond and hand it over to the bullpen.
I think Dusty is looking for 5 from Redmond.

[mth123]

I'd take 4 innings of 2 runs or less from Redmond and hand it over to the bullpen.

The Reds should score runs the next time around the order. I'd rather get 6 even if it means he gives up 4 or 5 runs. The Reds shiould still score enough and it would save the pen.

[Brutus]

I think Dusty is looking for 5 from Redmond.

http://collegebody.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/you-can-do-it.jpg

[WebScorpion]

I'd take 4 innings of 2 runs or less from Redmond and hand it over to the bullpen.I think he can get us past the 5th now. He seems to be settling down a bit...he's @ 71 pitches after 3 innings, so if he pitches ever so slightly better he can get us through 5 on 30 more pitches or so.

[Tom Servo]

I'm already tired of seeing this Boo Radley fellow.

[WebScorpion]

I'm already tired of seeing this Boo Radley fellow.I don't mind seeing him at the plate...

[Redsfan320]

Trivia question.... Last Red to win his MLB debut.

Wood?
LeCure?

I'll take Wood as my guess.

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[WildcatFan]

Trivia question.... Last Red to win his MLB debut.

Wood?
LeCure?

I'll take Wood as my guess.

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I believe Daryl Thompson won against the Yankees in his debut. May be WAY off on that.

[Brutus]

Redmond wants nothing to do with any of these hitters except for Raley, and that might not have been prudent lol

[VR]

Gotta appreciate a guy w/ a whip higher than his ERA. If he keeps that up, he'll be fine.

[Tony Cloninger]

I'm already tired of seeing this Boo Radley fellow.

The Reds should hit him.

[Brutus]

What I wouldn't give for five more outs without a run allowed...

[Red in Chicago]

Ugh

[Tom Servo]

ugly

[WildcatFan]

Astros-esque there.
BP is shaking his wrist.

[Red in Chicago]

Couldn't Simon have just started?

[OnBaseMachine]

Get him out of there while it's still a winnable game.

[OldXOhio]

This could get ugly right here w Rizzo

[CrackerJack]

Geesh, Redmond is mess.

[WildcatFan]

I walk rizzo there.

[Tony Cloninger]

They traded Paul Janish for this??

Al Farrera and Angel Bravo must be laughing.

[OldXOhio]

He's missing all over the plate. Sad thing is the squib hit by Mather was a good pitch, one of the few Redmond has hit his spot on.

[mth123]

They traded Paul Janish for this??

Al Farrera and Angel Bravo must be laughing.

Funny, I was thinking the opposite. More like, we only traded Paul Janish. What did we expect?

[Tom Servo]

Funny, I was thinking the opposite. More like, we only traded Paul Janish. what did we expect?
This. Are people honestly lamenting the loss of Paul Janish?

[Brutus]

If there's one thing that depresses me about the Reds this year it's that this is the best they could come up with as a backup starter.

[Tony Cloninger]

This. Are people honestly lamenting the loss of Paul Janish?

Sarcasm meter detector off a little tonight?

[CrackerJack]

Enough of Redmond

[WildcatFan]

That was tough to watch.

[Tony Cloninger]

Funny, I was thinking the opposite. More like, we only traded Paul Janish. What did we expect?

Man.....could you not tell my sarcasm After that Bravo comment? I waited all year to pull that one out.

[OesterPoster]

If there's one thing that depresses me about the Reds this year it's that this is the best they could come up with as a backup starter.

If they need another start, I'd say Villareal would get it. Heck, burn an option year on Corcino if you really have to.

[OldXOhio]

Too bad, sure the kid is depressed over this

[Tom Servo]

Thanks for the effort Todd, but you earned a ticket back to Louisville.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m85o3yJwi51qc20q7.png

[OnBaseMachine]

Out of all the bad pitchers the Reds have thrown out there since the early 2000's, Redmond had to be in the bottom 3.

[BCubb2003]

At least he's in the team photo.

[WildcatFan]

At least he's in the team photo.

Hahahaha

[WebScorpion]

Simon says we need a double play.

Nice try by Redmond, but he looks like a AAAA pitcher. I hope we don't need to use him often. ;)

[Brutus]

If they need another start, I'd say Villareal would get it. Heck, burn an option year on Corcino if you really have to.

I suppose they could also use LeCure if necessary. It wouldn't be ideal until they could stretch him out, but it's an option.

[WildcatFan]

Is LeCure still aching? It'll be interesting to see how long Simon goes with a day game tomorrow.

[Brutus]

At least he's in the team photo.

It's a memory he might want to forget lol

[Tom Servo]

Out of all the bad pitchers the Reds have thrown out there since the early 2000's, Redmond had to be in the bottom 3.
I know don't know that I'd go that far. At the very least, it's one start and we're still in the game. I will never forget Joe Mays and Phil Dumatrait losing us multiple games in the first inning.

[mth123]

Man.....could you not tell my sarcasm After that Bravo comment? I waited all year to pull that one out.

Not really. Couldn't figure out what reserve OF guys like Bravo and Farrara had to do with it. Oh well. Sorry.

While we're at it, Ted Savage and Clyde Mashore say hello.

[Homer Bailey]

My goodness, Simon's first pitch was almost right down the middle and called a ball.

[VR]

Out of all the bad pitchers the Reds have thrown out there since the early 2000's, Redmond had to be in the bottom 3.

Nice try. He may not rank in the top 20 of pathetictude for those years.

[Tony Cloninger]

Not really. Couldn't figure out what reserve OF guys like Bravo and Farrara had to do with it. Oh well. Sorry.

While we're at it, Ted Savage and Clyde Mashore say hello.


After Al Farrera booted a few balls in 1971 ...coming over from The Padres for Bravo, he was asked about it.

His response... "What did you expect for Angel Bravo? Willie Mays?"

[Homer Bailey]

Out of all the bad pitchers the Reds have thrown out there since the early 2000's, Redmond had to be in the bottom 3.

He certainly didn't pitch well tonight, but I don't think he's a bad pitcher. He couldn't throw where he wanted to tonight, and that usually isn't a problem for him, looking at his numbers. He's only walked around 2.5 guys for essentially his whole career.

[Tom Servo]

Not the right play there, Todd.

[Homer Bailey]

Good thought. Bad throw.

[OldXOhio]

Why play back and then not take the out at first?

[Brutus]

This is the point on my old Play Station where I'd have hit the reset button.

[CrackerJack]

Score runs please

[Homer Bailey]

This game is faaaar from over.

[WildcatFan]

Alright, time to get some hits here. Pick up your teammates.

[cincrazy]

Let's not forget this is the Cubs. This game isn't even close to over.

I really hope Redmond doesn't start again for this team. But I can probably name 10 pitchers off the top of my head from the Lost Decade that are worse than him.

[OldXOhio]

He certainly didn't pitch well tonight, but I don't think he's a bad pitcher. He couldn't throw where he wanted to tonight, and that usually isn't a problem for him, looking at his numbers. He's only walked around 2.5 guys for essentially his whole career.

He's just got nothing special. Perhaps we as Reds fans have gotten spoiled recently.

[WebScorpion]

Simon says we need a double play.


Yessirreee! Better late than never. ;)

[CrackerJack]

This is the point on my old Play Station where I'd have hit the reset button.

:laugh:

[Homer Bailey]

He's just got nothing special. Perhaps we as Reds fans have gotten spoiled recently.

I agree. There is a reason he's 27 and never had a major league start. That being said, I don't think he's a complete disaster.

[CrackerJack]

He's just got nothing special. Perhaps we as Reds fans have gotten spoiled recently.

My impression of him was that he's a better pitcher with more upside than what he showed tonight certainly, and that he could be a decent #5 type at some point, at least based on the reviews of him during the trade.

[OldXOhio]

I agree. There is a reason he's 27 and never had a major league start. That being said, I don't think he's a complete disaster.

No not at all. I do think nerves got the better of him...understandable. No way he'd have made it this far in his career if he were this wild.

[mth123]

After Al Farrera booted a few balls in 1971 ...coming over from The Padres for Bravo, he was asked about it.

His response... "What did you expect for Angel Bravo? Willie Mays?"

Makes sense now. Ferrara was right.

[BCubb2003]

It's funny how we expected to split, knew he was a warm body, and are still bummed that something rare didn't happen.

[mth123]

It's funny how we expected to split, knew he was a warm body, and are still bummed that something rare didn't happen.

Cubs are just throwing a warm body as well. Reds should still have a good chance.

[Brutus]

It's funny how we expected to split, knew he was a warm body, and are still bummed that something rare didn't happen.

I think it's only because the Reds are facing Boo Radley.

[OldXOhio]

You know things are good when even on a bad night at the yard, you still gain a half game on your nearest chaser.

[Tom Servo]

Took us to till the 5th to get a hit and then a run off of Mr. Boo Radley last week, for the record.

[Raisor]

anyone with a score/inning update?

by the responses in the thread I fear the Reds are down 15-1 at this point.

[OldXOhio]

Cardenas looks like a throwback player from the 70s

[OldXOhio]

4-1 Cubs B4

[OldXOhio]

Sorry top 5th

[Tom Servo]

I feel like Valbuena has been killing us, and he's not very good at all.

[OnBaseMachine]

anyone with a score/inning update?

by the responses in the thread I fear the Reds are down 15-1 at this point.

5-1 Cubs in the 5th inning.

[OldXOhio]

poor job by Bruce missing the cutoff badly. Good try by Valdez though.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Redmond looks like a mop up guy at best to me.

[VR]

Run into one Devin

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce leads off the bottom of the 5th with a single. Rolen follows with a four pitch walk. Two on, none out for Mesoraco. Need to get some runs here.

[Tom Servo]

Mesoraco hasn't had an RBI since July 7.

[OnBaseMachine]

Mesoraco lined out to RF, Bruce to 3rd. Heisey pinch hit single makes it 5-2. First and second, one out for Stubbs.

[OnBaseMachine]

Stubbs K's looking on ball 2.

[OnBaseMachine]

Wilson Valdez makes me miss Paul Janish.

5-2 Cubs after 5.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Real black hole when Stubbs is followed by Valdez.

[VR]

Stubbs K's looking on ball 2.

Gotta protect. Gameday had it right on the zone....you just can't go up there and look at two strikes down the middle and then not protect.

[Brutus]

Real black hole when Stubbs is followed by Valdez.

Stubbs shouldn't be counted on as a black hole against a lefty, though. He has been thus far tonight, but normally I'd feel good about him against LHP.

[Brutus]

The Reds are going to win this game. Just sayin'

[Tom Servo]

The Reds are going to win this game. Just sayin'
Making it tougher now.

[CrackerJack]

I think our Reds have no intention of winning this game, everyone looks sloppy and lethargic

[Brutus]

I hereby retract my previous comment. The Reds will not win this game.

[Homer Bailey]

7-2 Cubs. Not really our night.

[Tom Servo]

Yeah, I think we can just about pack this one in.

[edabbs44]

How did Jay not get an E on that play?

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Not looking good in this one. Ball roll between Bruce's legs in corner. Bruce miss cutoff last inning.

[Tom Servo]

Not looking good in this one. Ball roll between Bruce's legs in corner. Bruce miss cutoff last inning.
I'd say the pitching is a little more to blame than Bruce in this one.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

I'd say the pitching is a little more to blame than Bruce in this one.

I know, you are right. Just atypical of what we have come to expect. Can't win em all...

[edabbs44]

Not looking good in this one. Ball roll between Bruce's legs in corner. Bruce miss cutoff last inning.

I haven't watched the entire game but I also thought he took a very rough route on a double to the gap a few innings ago.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

I haven't watched the entire game but I also thought he took a very rough route on a double to the gap a few innings ago.

He did. He ran sideways with the ball for a few strides and the ball sailed over his glove by about a foot. Having a rough night in the field.

[Tom Servo]

Cubs stealing bases when up by 5. Hopefully Dusty makes a mental note to pour it on them the next time we have the chance.

[Homer Bailey]

I didn't think Bruce took a bad route to that ball, but it seemed like a ball he would have caught in 2010.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

I didn't think Bruce took a bad route to that ball, but it seemed like a ball he would have caught in 2010.

Yeah, watch it again. No worries. It was a drive that I thought he had, IMO, but it's a tough play.

[Tom Servo]

8-2 to the bottom of 6, for those wondering. Not looking so good.

[Homer Bailey]

Yeah, watch it again. No worries. It was a drive that I thought he had, IMO, but it's a tough play.

Yeah, I saw it a couple of times. Didn't look like a bad route, but it did not look like he was moving very fast.

[BCubb2003]

The biggest lie in baseball: "Striking out the side."

[VR]

The biggest lie in baseball: "Striking out the side."

Even more than 'striking out'

[Tom Servo]

lol cubs

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Cubs are trying to equalize things. Maybe they feel sorry for the Reds? LOL

[VR]

Frazier.

[Tom Servo]

Bruce with an actual rally killer pop up, not a euphemism for a HR.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

How can Cubs fans continue their optimistic support for their team? Years upon years without any sustained hints of being any good.

[Tom Servo]

How can Cubs fans continue their optimistic support for their team? Years upon years without any sustained hints of being any good.
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97764

[Virginia Beach Reds]

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97764

I get that...I was just there last Sat to watch a game. Just don't understand rabid fan interest, even to away games when you have not won in years and won't for several more years to come.

[Tom Servo]

Well the deficit is cut in half. 8-4 game.

[Tom Servo]

I get that...I was just there last Sat to watch a game. Just don't understand rabid fan interest, even to away games when you have not won in years and won't for several more years to come.
I was more so referring to the thread title. ;)

[VR]

Run into one Devin.

[Tom Servo]

still no RBI for Mes

[VR]

If only he got more abs. :)

[Tom Servo]

Wasted opportunities there. 2nd and 3rd with 1 out and they get no more runs.

[Scrap Irony]

Mesoraco just isn't as good as many thought he was. Lack of PT or not, the guy just isn't a good hitter.

[edabbs44]

Mesoraco just isn't as good as many thought he was. Lack of PT or not, the guy just isn't a good hitter.

He still could be. However he is a great lesson in why you don't go all in on rookie when you are playing for something.

[Brutus]

Hamilton just singled for Pensacola, for those interested. With two stolen bases, he can tie Vince Coleman this inning.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

What is the WAR on Valdez? minus something?

[Brutus]

So much for that. First pitch groundout by Fellhauer. Inning over.

[Tom Servo]

Ludwick! :jump:

8-6 game

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Ryan Ludwick is in da zone!!!!

[Brutus]

Ludwick is en fuego.

[BCubb2003]

Ludwick is en fuego.

auf feuer.

[Tom Servo]

2 innings to hold the Cubs where they are and score 2 or more runs.

[CTA513]

Ludwick now tied for the team lead in HRs and is closing in on RBIs

[Virginia Beach Reds]

So, it's completely possible the Reds will have...Cy Young (Cueto), ROY (Frazier) and Comeback POY (Ludwick)....I think it's possible.

[kaldaniels]

I didn't get much support when I said I'd go 2 yr 14 MM with Ludwick in the re-sign Ludwick thread. Anyone want to join me on that now?

[BCubb2003]

So, it's completely possible the Reds will have...Cy Young (Cueto), ROY (Frazier) and Comeback POY (Ludwick)....I think it's possible.

And Votto could have made it MVP. Maybe that should go to Ludwick too.

[cincrazy]

Maybe this is too crazy, but why shouldn't we start discussing Ryan Ludwick as a legitimate MVP contender?

[Tom Servo]

I didn't get much support when I said I'd go 2 yr 14 MM with Ludwick in the re-sign Ludwick thread. Anyone want to join me on that now?
Well I did support you when you asked if Ludwick gets to 30 HR. :D

[kaldaniels]

Maybe this is too crazy, but why shouldn't we start discussing Ryan Ludwick as a legitimate MVP contender?

Today was the first day where it occurred to me that he should pick up some votes for MVP...so that's a start.

[cincrazy]

If Cutch continues to cool down, the Pirates miss the playoffs, and Ludwick continues his tear... HIGHLY unlikely. But I think he deserves at least a random vote :).

[Tom Servo]

nasty knee-buckling curve by Marshall

[kaldaniels]

Everything I've read says Ludwick is a class act as well...anyone have info to the contrary? I'm so happy for him.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Maybe this is too crazy, but why shouldn't we start discussing Ryan Ludwick as a legitimate MVP contender?

That is too crazy.

[kaldaniels]

That is too crazy.

It ain't crazy, it's cincrazy.

[BCubb2003]

If Cutch continues to cool down, the Pirates miss the playoffs, and Ludwick continues his tear... HIGHLY unlikely. But I think he deserves at least a random vote :).

In the truest sense of "valuable" Ludwick might deserve it, but in the spotlight-driven sense, it's highly unlikely.

[cincrazy]

That is too crazy.

Most definitely. But color me a homer :).

[Tom Servo]

Real nice work by Marshall tonight to do what Redmond, Simon, and LeCure couldn't do and keep the Cubs off the board for 2 frames.

[Brutus]

I do think Votto can still win the MVP.

Sweeping the MVP, Cy Young, Rookie of the Year and Comeback Player of the Year would be unbelievably crazy.

[cincrazy]

It ain't crazy, it's cincrazy.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT BROTHER! :usa:

[BCubb2003]

Real nice work by Marshall tonight to do what Redmond, Simon, and LeCure couldn't do and keep the Cubs off the board for 2 frames.

Those lackluster innings loom large now, don't they?

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Everything I've read says Ludwick is a class act as well...anyone have info to the contrary? I'm so happy for him.

He's a great guy! Hometown boy with team attitude. He will pull in more money from another team if he declines his option next year.

[cincrazy]

My brother- "If our starters pitched like that every night, I don't think I'd ever watch a game."

Good thing he didn't grow up when I did.

[nate]

Marshall's 1-0 pitch to Clevenger was a thing of beauty. He almost fell down because he thought it was going to hit him and it slipped in for a strike.

Wow, Marshall.

[Tom Servo]

As long as we're throwing out crazy ideas with the stakes so low in this game...with Marshall locked up through 2015, any chance we ever see him get a shot in the rotation? He's a starter converted to reliever.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Rizzo has some work to do in the field.

[cincrazy]

Ummmmm did anyone else see John Allen sitting behind home plate, or was I just having a nightmare?

[VottoFan54]

The tying run is coming to the plate.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

As long as we're throwing out crazy ideas with the stakes so low in this game...with Marshall locked up through 2015, any chance we ever see him get a shot in the rotation? He's a starter converted to reliever.

I think that's a good idea for spring of next year. Perhaps his value is better as a starter with that breaker.

[Tom Servo]

time to go to Camp

[Captain Hook]

As long as we're throwing out crazy ideas with the stakes so low in this game...with Marshall locked up through 2015, any chance we ever see him get a shot in the rotation? He's a starter converted to reliever.

I don't know but it does make me wonder if you couldn't put a starting rotation together from the Reds BP that would be better then what some other teams throw out there.

[BCubb2003]

I don't know but it does make me wonder if you couldn't put a starting rotation together from the Reds BP that would be better then what some other teams throw out there.

Chapman, Marshall, Simon, LeCure, Arredondo?

[Tom Servo]

Thought off the bat that could be extra bases for Mes.

[Captain Hook]

Chapman, Marshall, Simon, LeCure, Arredondo?

Sounds like it could be a decent starting 5.

[MikeS21]

I don't know but it does make me wonder if you couldn't put a starting rotation together from the Reds BP that would be better then what some other teams throw out there.
lol! Five years ago, you'd be talking about the rotation the Reds threw out there!

[Tom Servo]

Fair ball Miggy! 8-7 game! Triple by Miguel!

[VottoFan54]

Cairo triple!

[Captain Hook]

Cairo's getting hot!

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Baseball is so fun when you are sure you team is GOING to win. GO REDS!

[Homer Bailey]

Have to PH for Valdez if it gets to him.

[Tom Servo]

so close.


At the very least, I applaud the Reds for making a run of it here. :)

[kaldaniels]

Ludwick can smell it in the ninth.

[Kc61]

I was thinking Stubbs might want to bunt in that spot, Cubs a good bet to mess it up.

Oh well, still the ninth inning with maybe a pinch hitter, Phillips, Ludwick.

[BCubb2003]

Sounds like it could be a decent starting 5.

They'd all have to go to Louisville first.

[OldXOhio]

I was thinking Stubbs might want to bunt in that spot, Cubs a good bet to mess it up.

Oh well, still the ninth inning with maybe a pinch hitter, Phillips, Ludwick.

I love that call. Wish someone would have told Drew.

[Brutus]

Ludwick can smell it in the ninth.

Ludwick or Frazier. Take your pick.

I know I smell it.

[CrackerJack]

Valdez has to luck himself into a hit some day? Right?

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Valdez has to luck himself into a hit some day? Right?

The bunt!

[Tom Servo]

The bunt!
I heartily endorse this sentiment.

[Homer Bailey]

Valdez has to luck himself into a hit some day? Right?

Have PH Cozart for him in the 9th, right? No brainer for me.

[Tom Servo]

damnit ondrusek

[Homer Bailey]

Ondrusek doing Ondrusek like things. What a huge run.

[CrackerJack]

So sick of Ondrusek at this point

[Kc61]

Terrible pitch to DeJesus there. Looked down the middle.

[Tom Servo]

I like how the Cubs are celebrating because they knew they were going to blow that 1 run lead.

[RedEye]

Ondrusek = the weakest link

[Brutus]

They can celebrate all they want. They're still going to lose.

[WildcatFan]

You can't convince me Hoover wouldn't be more useful. Awful.

[Kc61]

Ondrusek = the weakest link

I haven't seen much of this game, but LeCure apparently didn't look too good either.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ondrusek = the weakest link

I don't think anybody will argue with this. However, I think if Logan is our weakest link, that's a DAMNED good thing.

[Homer Bailey]

In what way is Ondrusek superior to Hoover?

[Tom Servo]

Hoover could have done that.

[RedEye]

I haven't seen much of this game, but LeCure apparently didn't look too good either.

True. But I think Ondrusek is weaker. 30/23 K/BB is just not getting it done. Glad they got Broxton for that reason (although he's hit a rough patch too).

[BCubb2003]

LeCure is still getting healthy, but with Ondrusek it's a pattern.

[Kc61]

In what way is Ondrusek superior to Hoover?

Probably fly ball rate.

[OldXOhio]

Terrible pitch to DeJesus there. Looked down the middle.

3-2 count and he grooved it. Just like pitch before at 3-1.

[Brutus]

In what way is Ondrusek superior to Hoover?

Why does he have to be "superior?"

He's got a heck of a lot more experience than Hoover. If/when the Reds feel Hoover is a better option, I'm sure they'll use him. Maybe he's better, maybe he's not. But Hoover doesn't have much of a track record to know one way or another.

[fearofpopvol1]

This may have been discussed earlier, but I feel like one of the biggest blunders of the game was when they held Frazier at 3B when he could've had easily made it home. Not sure if that was Berry or Frazier's call. Now, Mesoraco wasn't much better because he couldn't get the run in with 1 out, but still. That run would've tied the game into the 9th. Ondrusek probably doesn't come in with that scenario.