8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies

[cumberlandreds]

I don't know about this lineup. Seems like we are raising the white flag on this game. No Ludwick or Frazier. :confused: Go getem Leake.

1. Zack Cozart (R) SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=cozarza01&year=Career&t=b)
2. Chris Heisey (R) CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=heisech01&year=Career&t=b)
3. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=phillbr01&year=Career&t=b)
4. Jay Bruce (L) RF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=bruceja01&year=Career&t=b)
5. Scott Rolen (R) 3B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=rolensc01&year=Career&t=b)
6. Xavier Paul (L) LF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=paulxa01&year=Career&t=b)
7. Miguel Cairo (R) 1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=cairomi01&year=Career&t=b)
8. Devin Mesoraco (R) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=mesorde01&year=Career&t=b)
9. Mike Leake (R) P (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=leakemi01&year=Career&t=b)

[Homer Bailey]

Cumberland, please post the real lineup when it's ready. I laughed at your joke though!


(*checks twitter*)

Oh.

[Tom Servo]

That lineup would look a lot better if it had Lyle Overbay (or a similar player) instead of Miguel Cairo playing 1B.

[cumberlandreds]

The Phightin' Phils lineup:

1. Jimmy Rollins (S) SS
2. Juan Pierre (L) LF
3. Chase Utley (L) 2B
4. Ryan Howard (L) 1B
5. John Mayberry (R) CF
6. Domonic Brown (L) RF
7. Placido Polanco (R) 3B
8. Erik Kratz (R) C
9. Roy Halladay (R) P

[traderumor]

I think just trying to not wear out key guys. I did see that Ludwick is 0 for 9 vs. Halladay, so there's one excuse ;)

[westofyou]

That lineup would look a lot better if it had Lyle Overbay (or a similar player) instead of Miguel Cairo playing 1B.

Lyle Overbay the Mike Hargrove of this generation.

[Kc61]

Guessing Dusty doesn't want Frazier, a rookie, to have to cope with Halladay. Rather he's giving Todd a needed rest. Cairo hit well this weekend he'd rather give the veteran a chance against Halladay.

(Cozart, also a rookie, rested one game this weekend, he's in for defense with Leake pitching.)

Not agreeing, just guessing Dusty's thought process on Frazier.

Similarly, I think Dusty is resting Stubbs as unlikely to hit Halladay. As for Ludwick, Dusty rests him often and XMan gets a shot as a reward for the big hit yesterday.

As far as I can try to read the manager's mind. . . .

[klw]

From Sheldon

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

*Miguel Cairo is 5-for-15 lifetime vs. Halladay, Xavier Paul is 2-for-5 and Chris Heisey is 0-for-1, while Drew Stubbs is 3-for-12 and Todd Frazier is 0-for-1. I’m sure the matchups play a part in the manager’s decisions to feature the lineup.

Should be a nice strong bench tonight.

[mbgrayson]

Guessing Dusty doesn't want Frazier, a rookie, to have to cope with Halladay. Rather he's giving Todd a needed rest. Cairo hit well this weekend he'd rather give the veteran a chance against Halladay.

(Cozart, also a rookie, rested one game this weekend, he's in for defense with Leake pitching.)

Not agreeing, just guessing Dusty's thought process on Frazier.

Similarly, I think Dusty is resting Stubbs as unlikely to hit Halladay. As for Ludwick, Dusty rests him often and XMan gets a shot as a reward for the big hit yesterday.

As far as I can try to read the manager's mind. . . .

I certainly think Dusty has factored in the need for rest with playing pitcher/hitter percentages.

But to me, it just comes down to the Zen of Dusty. And with the Reds record in 2012, I will defer any lineup criticism at this point.

[REDREAD]

oh well, at least Rolen is playing.. I thought he'd get the day off today.

The nice thing about getting Votto back is that Frasier can go back to starting on a lot of these "rest days", as opposed to Cairo/Paul/Heisey.

Not complaining about the lineup.. a little disappointed, but I accept it :)

[Tom Servo]

Tough weak for Scotty. First off to Philadelphia, than gets to play his other old team the Cardinals again. At least he doesn't have to go back to Toronto. ;)

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/378/075/091701-rolen_wave_display_image.jpg?1283659884

[Matt700wlw]

The Phillies may be having a bad year, but being able to run Halladay, Hamels, and Lee out there is still as legit as it gets.

[Kc61]

Cozart singles, no-hitter off the table.

[Matt700wlw]

Good start :)

[Kc61]

Heisey singles to left.

Great matchup for Heisey, Halladay always near the plate, Heisey always swinging.

[Tom Servo]

2 singles, no outs. Hopefully the Reds cash in on this opportunity. May be their best one of the night.

[Tom Servo]

another single :)

[Matt700wlw]

3 single and no outs! Bases JUICED!

[Kc61]

Bases loaded, no out, Phillips single to right.

Correct play to hold the runner.

[Degenerate39]

Time for a granny

[Kc61]

Bruce doesn't usually hit on the road, except Philly is like GABP so maybe it won't matter.

[Tom Servo]

Bruuuuuuuuce



damnit Heisey

[Kc61]

Bruce doubles home a run. Mess up on the bases. Heisey out at home. Terrible.

[Degenerate39]

Take Heisey out right now

[Reds Fanatic]

What happened to Heisey on that play?

[KYRedsFan]

How in the hell do you not score 2

[kbrake]

What the hell was that?

[Matt700wlw]

That's inexcusable.

[Degenerate39]

Such a stupid bonehead move. I hope it doesn't come back to haunt

[Kc61]

As far as I can tell, Heisey was confused by third base coach's signal and stopped running.

Phillips by then was at third and Heisey just walked into the tag.

[KYRedsFan]

Guy on the ropes and....

[Tom Servo]

good job Scotty

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

That ball at no point looked like it would be caught. Heisey couldn't read that?

[Tom Servo]

should have been more than 2 :thumbdown:

[KYRedsFan]

That ball at no point looked like it would be caught. Heisey couldn't read that?

Exactly. he should be halfway to three quarters to 3rd and able to jog home. dude was out by 10 feet.

[cincrazy]

"Things like that happen from time to time." Really Chris Welsh? When the hell do you ever see that stupid of a play happen? I haven't been that angered over a play all year.

Luckily, we are at least up 2-0. Hopefully good Leake shows up tonight.

[KYRedsFan]

Cubs made about 10 baserunning errors over the weekend and none were remotely that bad

[cincrazy]

The game threads have seemed strangely dead lately taking into account this team's record. Anyone else notice that or is it just me?

[Degenerate39]

The game threads have seemed strangely dead lately taking into account this team's record. Anyone else notice that or is it just me?

Same with the chat

[Tom Servo]

So close to getting out of the inning unscathed, but Howard singles in Juan Pierre (who doubled and stole third uncontested)

2-1 game

[Matt700wlw]

This could be an interesting game...

[cincrazy]

I just have a sick feeling in my stomach about this game after that Heisey play. We could've absolutely buried Halladay.

[Tom Servo]

I just have a sick feeling in my stomach about this game after that Heisey play. We could've absolutely buried Halladay.
I'm with ya. Hoping for the best but that really took the wind out of the collective Reds sails.


Mayberry grounds out to third.

2-1 Reds after 1.

[WVRedsFan]

After watching that Heisey play, it looked like Berry could chew nails. I repeat...what is it about him everyone finds so wonderful?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Can't see what happened to Hi-C on the highlight. Was it a dumb move by HIM, or Berry? Not scoring on that simply makes no sense.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Heisey major brain fart. It happens.

[Tom Servo]

Halladay puts down the Reds 1-2-3.

[WVRedsFan]

Halladay looks like himself now, so we really messed up. Of course, facing Cairo, Mes, and Leake isn't Murder's Row.

[OldXOhio]

Base running is one of the few areas of the game where we as amateurs can be legitimately critical. There is simply no reason for that sort of blunder to ever happen at the ML level.

[BCubb2003]

It might have been that Berry was signaling Phillips to hold at third, and Heisey thought that was for him.

[cincrazy]

Heisey major brain fart. It happens.

It happens an awful lot with the trio of Stubbs, Bruce and Heisey. It gets tired after a while. A mistake like that in the playoffs against an elite pitcher will kill you.

[Screwball]

As best I can gather, Berry held up the stop sign for Bruce or Phillips. Heisey thought it meant for him to stop so he held up at 3rd. Berry then basically pushed him towards home, at which point it was too late and he was out by a mile.

Whose fault that is, I'm not sure. But that type of miscommunication is inexcusable at the major (or minor) league level.

[WVRedsFan]

As best I can gather, Berry held up the stop sign for Bruce or Phillips. Heisey thought it meant for him to stop so he held up at 3rd. Berry then basically pushed him towards home, at which point it was too late and he was out by a mile.

Whose fault that is, I'm not sure. But that type of miscommunication is inexcusable at the major (or minor) league level.

Surely Heisey has enough baseball instincts to know he could score from second on a hit. Surely.

[Degenerate39]

Why was no one on first for that? Not that it matters

[Kc61]

BTW, it's a 2-1 ballgame with Phils up in the bottom of the second. One on, one out.

[Tom Servo]

Phillies hitting Leake hard. 1st and 3rd, 1 out.

[Kc61]

Now first and third, one out, Halladay coming up.

Leake quite hittable so far, some shots hit hard.

[Degenerate39]

Need a double play badly

[Kc61]

Need a double play badly

Pitcher may bunt. Halladay bunting on first one, takes a strike. Now 0-2 count on foul bunt.

K swinging.

[smith288]

Way to escape Leake

[Tom Servo]

Leake gets out of the jam.


2-1 Reds after 2.

[mbgrayson]

After two innings, Reds 2, Phillies 1.

Halladay at 34 pitches, 24 strikes.
Leake at 36 pitches, 23 strikes.

[Kc61]

Surely Heisey has enough baseball instincts to know he could score from second on a hit. Surely.

Inning over. 2-1 after two.

Not sure you're supposed to disobey the hold sign from the coach. Would like to see that in slow motion because it's still hard to tell what happened and it was a major mess up. To put it mildly.

[Tom Servo]

Reds go 1-2-3 again.

[Kc61]

Pierre, Utley and Howard next inning. Good luck, Mike.

[powersackers]

Reds go 1-2-3 again.

Sorry my fault. We have gone 0-8 since I turned the game on.

[Kc61]

Nice play by Cairo to get Utley. Phils announcers giving him kudos. Two down.

[Tom Servo]

Howard homers

Tie game. 2-2 after 3.

[Kc61]

2-2 after three.

Have to wonder the thought process there. Two outs, nobody on, Ryan Howard up. Can't quite understand why you give him a hittable pitch.

If you walk Howard, you have Mayberry up.

Not saying you intentionally walk him, but keep it off the plate.

I've seen it all year, pitchers seemingly afraid to walk guys and grooving pitches against obvious home run hitters when unnecessary.

[Degenerate39]

First baserunner since the first inning isn't it?

[Tom Servo]

Bruce walks
Rolen flies out to right
Paul FC, Bruce out at 2nd

[Screwball]

First baserunner since the first inning isn't it?

Yep. I blame powersackers.

[Kc61]

First baserunner since the first inning isn't it?

Yeah, walk to Bruce, but two out now.

Miguel Cairo up against Roy Halladay. Inspired?

[Tom Servo]

Cairo grounds out to short.

Halladay in a groove. Not good at all, especially since the Phillies hitters are giving Leake fits.

2-2 to the bottom of 4.

[Degenerate39]

Take out the first inning and they're being no hit again

[Tom Servo]

Take out the first inning and they're being no hit again
If you take out the hits in any game, the pitcher is throwing a no hitter.

[Raisor]

Take out the first inning and they're being no hit again

and if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon

[Kc61]

I read that Votto really regretted missing this series.

I regret that Votto is missing this series.

One out for Leake.

[smith288]

If Leake hadn't give up any hits he'd have a no hitter too. :D

[edabbs44]

and if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon

Is she also red and gives all the kids in town a ride?

[smith288]

Good Lord Mike.

[Screwball]

3-2 Phillies. Should be 3-3.

[Raisor]

Is she also red and gives all the kids in town a ride?

yes

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Take out the first inning and they're being no hit again

Good thing the REDS churned out 4 singles

[Tom Servo]

Kratz homers

3-2 Phillies

[Wonderful Monds]

Take out the first inning and they're being no hit again

It gets worse - take out all of our hits all season, and we've been no hit by everyone all year. :(

[Tom Servo]

I'd be thrilled with a traditional quality start of 6 innings, 3 runs by Leake. I wasn't expecting him to shut down the Phillies.

[smith288]

Good thing the REDS churned out 4 singles
We have gotten to Halliday before.

[Kc61]

At least there's a pattern to Leake tonight.

Out, out, long homer, out.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Is Votto with the club on this small roadie? Any word on any timetable to have him back? Been out a month it seems already.

[Tom Servo]

Is Votto with the club on this small roadie? Any word on any timetable to have him back? Been out a month it seems already.
No, they said he wasn't making the trip to Philadelphia.

[Degenerate39]

Is Votto with the club on this small roadie? Any word on any timetable to have him back? Been out a month it seems already.

I read earlier he wasn't going to Philly.

[Reds Fanatic]

Is Votto with the club on this small roadie? Any word on any timetable to have him back? Been out a month it seems already.

I think at this point he will be out until September. I expect to see him possibly go on a short rehab next week and then maybe come up September 1st.

[Kc61]

Double for Mes.

[Reds Fanatic]

Leadoff double for Mesoraco

[Tom Servo]

Mes leadoff double down the left field line

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Thanks. No info at all, which scares me quite a bit given the track record of the recent Reds with injuries and how they are communicated with the public.

[smith288]

Nice bunt by Leake there. Wonder if Polanco let it roll would it have sniffed foul

[Tom Servo]

Kelch reminding us just how pathetic that 1st inning gaffe was :(

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Big AB here by Cozart....

[Kc61]

Have to say that I think Leake has pitched very poorly tonight.

I'm a fan, and he's only allowed three, but all three runs were preventable.

All three runs with two outs. Two knocked in by Ryan Howard with Mayberry on deck. Why give hittable pitches to Howard with Mayberry on deck and two outs?

Then he allows a homer to Kratz. Eighth hitter, Halladay on deck.

Why throw a gopher ball to Kratz when the pitcher is up next, two outs, nobody on?

I assume this is just a lack of command by Leake, but when you pitch like Leake, you need to have command or you shouldn't be in the rotation.

I've been a fan of Leake, but very poor pitching tonight.

Cozart Ks.

[Tom Servo]

Big AB here by Cozart....
and he K's

[Reds Fanatic]

Big hit. Tie game on a Heisey double.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Heisey makes up for it!

[Tom Servo]

Heisey doubles down the line.

3-3 game.

[Matt700wlw]

Heisey has made up for his blunder :)

[Kc61]

Nice hit for Heisey ties it up.

Don't look at Berry this time, Chris.

[smith288]

Head down around third Heisey... lol

[Tom Servo]

Heisey has made up for his blunder :)
I don't forgive that easily. :deadhorse:

[Kc61]

Halladay with 71 pitches so far in the fifth.

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit. 1st and 3rd.

[Tom Servo]

BP infield single, Heisey to third.

[Kc61]

Infield hit by Phillips.

Heisey makes it to third without incident.

[Screwball]

Heisey properly stops at 3rd this time. :evil:

[Homer Bailey]

That's twice Heisey hasn't scored from 2nd on a hit!

[Matt700wlw]

Yeah, baby!

They just keep on fighting.

[Reds Fanatic]

Another big hit. Bruce singles. 4-3 Reds!

[Kc61]

Bruce is now hot. Officially.

Still first and third two outs, 4-3 Reds.

[klw]

Mez shows Heisey how to score from second on a double.

[smith288]

Hey, we're getting to Halliday... JUST as I eluded to. :D

[Tom Servo]

You know, if not for this inning, Halladay would have a no hitter since the 1st inning :)

[Virginia Beach Reds]

4.57 ERA for the Phillies bullpen this year. Phillies fans are so cheap! How do you boo Scott Rolen???

[RedEye]

Bruce turning it around lately. Nice!

[Degenerate39]

You know, if not for this inning, Halladay would have a no hitter since the 1st inning :)

And the jinx worked thank you :p

[WVRedsFan]

Bruce. What the...

[Kc61]

Another running mess up, but this time it works out. 5-3 Reds, inning over.

[Matt700wlw]

Jay...come on, dude?

The run counts anyway!

[smith288]

Not a bad play. Scores BPEasy

[Tom Servo]

4.57 ERA for the Phillies bullpen this year. Phillies fans are so cheap! How do you boo Scott Rolen???
Because 10 years ago he wanted a trade from their poorly run team lead by GM Ed Wade and Manager Larry Bowa.

[edabbs44]

Bruce turning it around lately. Nice!

At the plate? Yes. In the field and on the base paths? Not so much.

[CrackerJack]

4.57 ERA for the Phillies bullpen this year. Phillies fans are so cheap! How do you boo Scott Rolen???

I don't understand why anyone would want to play there.

[smith288]

I don't understand why anyone would want to play there.
Money talks more than boos.

[WVRedsFan]

Jay clearly has his head up his $&@!. Wow. So many base running mistakes, BUT we get the run.

[reds44]

Bad baserunning gone good.

Jay is going to finish the year with an OPS above .900.

[Reds Fanatic]

4.57 ERA for the Phillies bullpen this year. Phillies fans are so cheap! How do you boo Scott Rolen???

They boo Santa Claus in Philadelphia. If they did not boo we are probably in the wrong city.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

I don't understand why anyone would want to play there.

Truly, me either? Besides the park is always sold out. They must not remember Scott Rolen winning them a bunch of game including the ROY and being a class act.

[Degenerate39]

I don't understand why anyone would want to play there.

I use to live in West Philidephia. Born and raised. Then I got in one little fight and my mom got scared

[Matt700wlw]

I don't understand why anyone would want to play there.

Eric Milton won 14 games there.....but his ERA was Eric Milton.

[Kc61]

Bad baserunning gone good.

Jay is going to finish the year with an OPS above .900.

Bruce's lifetime stats are very strong in August and especially in September.

Hopefully he'll keep it up on the road, which is his nemesis.

Phils announcers say Leake is a pitcher you can come back on. Also saying Chapman probably not available tonight, which makes sense.

[Brutus]

What is up with the Reds' baserunning the last few weeks? It has been perplexing.

[WVRedsFan]

Anyone with a coaching background who can see what the difference is between the 2011 Leake and 2012 Leake is?

[Kc61]

What is up with the Reds' baserunning the last few weeks? It has been perplexing.

True, but Phillips has run the bases very well tonight, scoring on outs.

Aggressive good baserunning by Brandon.

Pierre singles.

Leake now facing Utley and Howard. I'm not planning to watch.

[Tom Servo]

Hopefully Dusty has a quick hook with Leake.

[Reds Fanatic]

5-4 as Utley doubles in a run. It feels like it is going to take about 10 runs to win this game.

[Tom Servo]

Get Leake out.

[Kc61]

Using Leake against these excellent lefty hitters is just ridiculous tonight.

Enough, get him out of there. Use Arredondo, he's tough on lefties.

Leake now facing Howard, just walk him.

They are, good.

Awful pitching by Leake tonight, just terrible.

[reds44]

Anyone with a coaching background who can see what the difference is between the 2011 Leake and 2012 Leake is?
He's been less BABIP lucky. All of his peripherals are about the same but his BABIP this year is .299 compared to .269 last year. He's at his ceiling right now. Never will be anything more than a BOR starter.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Juan Pierre would still look nice in a Reds uni.

[Matt700wlw]

Marty's right. Leake has to pitch better than this....the Reds have scored runs against Halladay, and he gives up the lead again.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Marty's right. Leake has to pitch better than this....the Reds have scored runs against Halladay, and he gives up the lead again.

not yet!

[Kc61]

Marty's right. Leake has to pitch better than this....the Reds have scored runs against Halladay, and he gives up the lead again.

He's definitely right, Leake has been terrible tonight and I don't understand why he is still in the ballgame. Bring in Arredondo.

[Matt700wlw]

not yet!

Sorry. Twice is what he said.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

He's definitely right, Leake has been terrible tonight and I don't understand why he is still in the ballgame. Bring in Arredondo.

Dusty is praying he gets out of this inning then he will probably hook him. Up around 100 pitches already I believe. He fastball is moving quite a bit, but Phillies still have some good hitters.

[Reds Fanatic]

Tie game. 2nd and 3rd.

[WVRedsFan]

Get him out of there. Now!

[OldXOhio]

The back end of this rotation is a major concern. Can Bronson be the #3?

[Tom Servo]

Hopefully Dusty has a quick hook with Leake.
Dusty never listens to me.

[Homer Bailey]

You guys, Dusty wasn't allowed to take him out yet, because he hadn't qualified for the win yet.

[WVRedsFan]

This is going to get uglier. Surely Simon could come in.

[Reds Fanatic]

I will be there Saturday to see Leake against the Cardinals. He better improve a lot over tonight or that could be ugly.

[Tom Servo]

Terrible. Jesus.

[Reds Fanatic]

Make it 7-5 Phillies on 3 straight doubles. On second thought 10 runs may not be enough to win this.

[Tom Servo]

Oh, now's a good time to take him out Dusty. C'mon, what the hell were you thinking?

[reds44]

The back end of this rotation is a major concern. Can Bronson be the #3?
He is the #3. One of Bailey or Leake is going to have to pitch in the NLDS assuming it goes at least 4, though.

[WVRedsFan]

What is wrong with Dusty? Save the bullpen be darned. Win the Daggone game.

[kaldaniels]

The back end of this rotation is a major concern. Can Bronson be the #3?

Hard to say, as it stands I'd ride the hot hand.

[Screwball]

Dear Mike Leake,

You usually don't want to throw the ball over the middle of the plate to every hitter.

Sincerely,

Screwball

[mbgrayson]

They are stealing the Reds signs. Just watched three Phils in a row on 2nd base dip their heads back toward 2nd signaling the batter that a breaking ball is coming.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

He had good movement on his fastball. He just made a ton of mistakes on the breaking pitch that landed in the wheelhouse to decent hitters. Frustrating!

[redsfaninbsg]

This game is totally on Leake. What's Dusty to do, have a guy warming up to start the fifth inning?

[Tom Servo]

He had good movement on his fastball. He just made a ton of mistakes on the breaking pitch that landed in the wheelhouse to decent hitters. Frustrating!
And he should have been pulled after the Utley double.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

They are stealing the Reds signs. Just watched three Phils in a row on 2nd base dip their heads back toward 2nd signaling the batter that a breaking ball is coming.

Did you notice that? They were all over his breaking pitch...all over it.

[WVRedsFan]

You score 5 on Halladay and you should win, but...

[Tom Servo]

This game is totally on Leake. What's Dusty to do, have a guy warming up to start the fifth inning?
Leake pitched like crap, no doubt, but you don't have to leave him to get his brains beaten out and run up a deficit. I think there's blame to go all around.

[Reds Fanatic]

LeCure in to pitch

[mbgrayson]

Watch the guy on 2nd. When he dips his head back toward 2nd, breaking ball.

[Reds Fanatic]

Polanco pops out to 1st.

[schroomytunes]

Gotta get Ludwick and Frazier into the game now!!!! Cairo and Paul to the bench ASAP!

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Gotta get Ludwick and Frazier into the game now!!!! Cairo and Paul to the bench ASAP!

That's a softball move. LOL.

[Kc61]

Just a horrendous outing by Leake and a ridiculous decision to leave him in so long.

[Brutus]

Gotta get Ludwick and Frazier into the game now!!!! Cairo and Paul to the bench ASAP!

Good grief, relax. It's 2 runs and it's still only the 5th inning. It's not the end of the world.

[WVRedsFan]

Gotta get Ludwick and Frazier into the game now!!!! Cairo and Paul to the bench ASAP!

Gotta play everybody. dusty Rules.

[Reds Fanatic]

Halladay grounds into a FC. The inning is finally over. 7-5 Phillies after 5.

[Tom Servo]

Good job Sam.

[Brutus]

And people wonder why others have been avoiding the game threads?

[OldXOhio]

Lecure back to the rotation?

[WVRedsFan]

Surprised Doc is still out there. Only 74 pitches through 5, but Reds hitting him hard.

[redsfaninbsg]

It's really hard to fault Dusty here, seven runs in 4.1 innings out of a starter is Bakers's fault? C'mon, who do you guys want to pitch?

[Kc61]

Lecture back to the rotation?

Lecure hasn't started in several years, is coming off injury, usually works an inning or two.

Um, no. Bring back Redmond!

[kbrake]

And people wonder why others have been avoiding the game threads?

I didn't want to be the one to say it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen lines a single to left.

[Matt700wlw]

Awesome, Bailey goes tomorrow.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

This has the makings to be a fun one. I'm not betting against the Reds.

[Brutus]

I didn't want to be the one to say it.

Yeah I don't mind being the one. Twenty six games above .500 and this board is insufferable at times.

[Reds Fanatic]

Paul grounds into a 4-6 FC.

[Kc61]

Awesome, Bailey goes tomorrow.

Homer is returning to form. He's feeling great and is ready to pitch great.

I read it on the internet today.

[Matt700wlw]

This has the makings to be a fun one. I'm not betting against the Reds.

NEVER bet against the Reds :)

[Tom Servo]

It's really hard to fault Dusty here, seven runs in 4.1 innings out of a starter is Bakers's fault? C'mon, who do you guys want to pitch?
I'm a Dusty fan, I really am. But sometimes you have to admit your starter doesn't have it. He did with Redmond, and I applauded him for it. Dusty seems hellbent on always getting 5 innings out of his starter.

[westofyou]

It's really hard to fault Dusty here, seven runs in 4.1 innings out of a starter is Bakers's fault? C'mon, who do you guys want to pitch?

Sure... If the other team scores ten we have score eleven

Dusty just missed the memo

[Vottomatic]

Leake with about 4 of the worst placed breaking/off speed pitches I've seen all year. Yikes.

Reds are frustrating tonight.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Kelch keeps calling the catcher 'Craps'

He's playing pretty well.

[Reds Fanatic]

Paul caught stealing as the catcher makes the throw from his knees.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cairo flies out to center. 7-5 Phillies mid 6th.

[Screwball]

Paul caught stealing as the catcher makes the throw from his knees.

I gotta admit, that was pretty impressive. Paul didn't have much of a chance.

[redsfaninbsg]

Is it Dusty's fault that Cairo swung through a hanging splitter that led to X getting thrown out?

[WVRedsFan]

1-2-3. Miggy just struggling. Paul needs to pinch hit :)

[Kc61]

Is it Dusty's fault that Cairo swung through a hanging splitter that led to X getting thrown out?

No. But Dusty does decide whether the pitcher stays in.

[Brutus]

I think mbgrayson is on to something about the stealing signs though. It would certainly explain how the Phillies seemed to hit everything being thrown.

[Vottomatic]

This game thread is frustrating tonight.

[WVRedsFan]

Doc only at 82 pitches. We're stuck with him.

[westofyou]

This game thread is frustrating tonight.

Oh just tonight?

Yeah its usually the template for rational response

[Tom Servo]

Well I apologize if any of my posts are causing frustration or annoyance, but I don't believe my statements are unreasonable. I just think some poor decisions were made so far by the players and the manager. Hopefully the Reds have another comeback in them tonight.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rollins leadoff double to right.

[WVRedsFan]

Never saw so many doubles in my life.

[Vottomatic]

Maybe we can sign Roger Clemens.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/828579...ters-texas

[Virginia Beach Reds]

This game thread is frustrating tonight.

How so? That every poster want's the Reds to win every game? Doesn't understand why players sometimes make mistakes? Very critical of the manager at every opportunity, despite that man leading the Reds to a record of 26 games over mid August? Just wondering why you said that!

[Reds Fanatic]

Never saw so many doubles in my life.

yes so far 7 extra base hits for the Phillies tonight (5 doubles, 2 HRs)

[Vottomatic]

Oops. Just saw the Clemens thread on the ORG. Nevermind.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ugh. LeCure attempts to throw Rollins out at 3rd on the bunt attempt but the throw is late. 1st and 3rd.

[Brutus]

How so? That every poster want's the Reds to win every game? Doesn't understand why players sometimes make mistakes? Very critical of the manager at every opportunity, despite that man leading the Reds to a record of 26 games over mid August? Just wondering why you said that!

So you don't need any introduction to this board? :thumbup:

[Vottomatic]

How so? That every poster want's the Reds to win every game? Doesn't understand why players sometimes make mistakes? Very critical of the manager at every opportunity, despite that man leading the Reds to a record of 26 games over mid August? Just wondering why you said that!

Actually, I just chimed in and just now starting watching the game and reading this thread.

My post was meant in humor and to lighten the mood. Seemed like several people were very uptight.

[Reds Fanatic]

Double switch. Frazier in to play 1st.

[WVRedsFan]

Leake got the mound so screwed up nobody can pitch ;)

[Vottomatic]

Leake got the mound screwed up nobody can pitch ;)

I can't wait to read my thread about which pitcher would you keep if you could only keep one - Leake or Bailey..........can't wait to read it tomorrow. ;) :D

[Brutus]

Leake got the mound screwed up nobody can pitch ;)

Did Mike Leake stuff you in a locker at some point in your life?

[Tom Servo]

How so? That every poster want's the Reds to win every game? Doesn't understand why players sometimes make mistakes? Very critical of the manager at every opportunity, despite that man leading the Reds to a record of 26 games over mid August? Just wondering why you said that!
I take exception to the idea that Dusty is apparently infallible.

[Wonderful Monds]

Double switch. Frazier in to play 1st.

I'm a fan of Dusty, but he should've been in from the start. Though admittedly, that's not what has us in the hole tonight.

If your offense spots you 5 runs against a Roy Halladay, you can't let them down.

[redsfaninbsg]

Did Mike Leake stuff you in a locker at some point in your life?

He stole his t-shirt

[Virginia Beach Reds]

So you don't need any introduction to this board? :thumbup:

Nope, I've been a member of this board for 12 years....I think this has been a great season and the Reds have nearly locked down a postseason bid with 40 games to go. This is the most fun I've had since 1990, when I was 18.

[Brutus]

He stole his t-shirt

haha, well played.

:beerme:

[Virginia Beach Reds]

I take exception to the idea that Dusty is apparently infallible.

Who said that? I'm critical of his lineups but what he has been doing is apparently working. He knows his players better than Joe Fan.

[WVRedsFan]

Did Mike Leake stuff you in a locker at some point in your life?

Goodness, Brutus. It Was a joke, as in so and so has left field so screwed up, nobody can play it. Like Vottomatic, trying to lighten the mood.

[Kc61]

I would consider DL'ing Lecure and sending him for a AAA rehab stint.

Lecure was out for awhile with some physical problem. He's somewhat prone to these nagging injuries, seems to happen each year. Even in the minors.

He wasn't good v the Cubs and tonight ran out of gas kind of quickly.

Might be a good idea to bring up Hoover and give Sam a few minor league outings.

[Tom Servo]

Who said that? I'm critical of his lineups but what he has been doing is apparently working. He knows his players better than Joe Fan.
Well I guess I'm bothered than by the fact that you (and certainly others) can be critical of his lineups, but if I'm critical of his slow hook, even once, than I'm being unreasonable.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sac fly to left. 8-5 Phillies.

[Wonderful Monds]

Alright guys deep breaths. We're all here for the same reason.

[westofyou]

Alright guys deep breaths. We're all here for the same reason.

True... Where is the bar?

[Brutus]

I take exception to the idea that Dusty is apparently infallible.

He's not. It's the hand-wringing over every move or non-move Dusty makes in every single game thread that is constantly an annoyance to many people. And truthfully, I can't speak for everyone that might share that concern, but I would not in any way, shape or form include you in that constant negativity that gets annoying. You are usually pretty fair and reserved in your criticism.

It's the Monday morning micromanaging by this board when Dusty's methods, popular or otherwise, has the Reds winning more than 60 percent of their games that is pretty much a turn-off.

[westofyou]

I would consider DL'ing Lecure and sending him for a AAA rehab stint.

Lecure was out for awhile with some physical problem. He's somewhat prone to these nagging injuries, seems to happen each year. Even in the minors.

He wasn't good v the Cubs and tonight ran out of gas kind of quickly.

Might be a good idea to bring up Hoover and give Sam a few minor league outings.

Agreed , he's been off for awhile

That said Leake and Lecure are off my PO roster

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Well I guess I'm bothered than by the fact that you (and certainly others) can be critical of his lineups, but if I'm critical of his slow hook, even once, than I'm being unreasonable.

Wasn't directed at you per se. Just an observation of the general overtone of the game threads nowadays. Still love to follow but calling for 2 position players to be immediately removed (with no injury) is a bit much! Carry on :)

[Tom Servo]

Thank you the responses Brutus and VBR. I promise I'll move on now.

[WVRedsFan]

Agreed , he's been off for awhile

That said Leake and Lecure are off my PO roster

How many pitchers are allowed to be on the PO roster? And who is eligible? Used to know this, but...

[Kc61]

Agreed , he's been off for awhile

That said Leake and Lecure are off my PO roster

Well, Leake is healthy he's just inconsistent. A pitcher of his type needs to have better command or he'll just wash away.

Lecure hasn't been healthy. He's a good middle reliever, but if he isn't quite ready to be effective, let him work it out in the minors.

[westofyou]

I take exception to the idea that Dusty is apparently infallible.

I take exception to the constant buzz that he's an idiot

A shrill whistle that drowns out 75% of the threads in the forum

[Vottomatic]

True... Where is the bar?

It's moments like these that an Animal House quote comes to mind:

"My advice to you is to start drinking heavily."

[Reds Fanatic]

Howard strikes out swinging. Pierre steals 2nd.

[westofyou]

Well, Leake is healthy he's just inconsistent. A pitcher of his type needs to have better command or he'll just wash away.

Lecure hasn't been healthy. He's a good middle reliever, but if he isn't quite ready to be effective, let him work it out in the minors.

I don't dislike Leake nor what he brings, but if the team goes at 4 starters for the PO he's the guy at home

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Great pitch by Arredondo. Had Howard in front by a mile. Lockdown Mayberry here and see what happens.

[WVRedsFan]

Fudge

[Reds Fanatic]

Make it 10-5 on a Mayberry homer to left.