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klw
09-05-2012, 10:47 AM
Phillips 4,
Heisey 8,
Votto 3,
Ludwick 7,
Bruce 9,
Frazier 5,
Navarro 2,
Gregorius 6,
Leake 1.


v. Halladay.


No complaints here.

WildcatFan
09-05-2012, 10:51 AM
Welcome back, Joey!!! Here's hoping he's back to lacing doubles and oppo homers soon.

Hey, not a bad lineup. I like getting Gregorius in there.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 10:59 AM
Not exactly a friendly welcome by the Reds. Didi and Joey...welcome back, here deal with Roy Freaking Halladay. *shudder*

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2012, 10:59 AM
Nice lineup. Glad to see Phillips in the leadoff spot.

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2012, 11:03 AM
Phillies lineup:

Jimmy Rollins SS
Juan Pierre LF
Chase Utley 2B
Ryan Howard 1B
John Mayberry CF
Domonic Brown RF
Erik Kratz C
Michael Martinez 3B
Roy Halladay P

OldXOhio
09-05-2012, 11:08 AM
Not exactly a friendly welcome by the Reds. Didi and Joey...welcome back, here deal with Roy Freaking Halladay. *shudder*

Only thing I'd call Roy thus far in 2012 has been freaking average.

Redsfan320
09-05-2012, 11:09 AM
Great lineup. Cozart's been out 2 days in a row, hope nothing's up there, just some rest for him, in which case I have no problem with it.

320

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2012, 11:10 AM
Great lineup. Cozart's been out 2 days in a row, hope nothing's up there, just some rest for him, in which case I have no problem with it.

320

According to John Fay Cozart has a stiff back that is why he is out.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 11:12 AM
Only thing I'd call Roy thus far in 2012 has been freaking average.

True, but still not the guy I'd want to face in my MLB debut. No matter his struggles this year, he's STILL Roy Halladay.

OesterPoster
09-05-2012, 11:16 AM
Several Reds have very good career numbers against Halladay. Combined 21 for 58 from the trio of BP-Bruce-Votto.

mdccclxix
09-05-2012, 11:22 AM
Wow, this is exciting seeing Votto on the Reds...started to feel like he was out for the year. Wish I could watch this on TV or in person, as it's always fun to get that first look at a prospect like Didi. Perhaps I'll have to listen to MLB.tv.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 11:22 AM
True, but still not the guy I'd want to face in my MLB debut. No matter his struggles this year, he's STILL Roy Halladay.

Would you rather see Valdez? I wouldn't. Gregorious couldn't be any worse. Halladay may pitch a gem today but he's not the Halladay of old. The last time the Reds faced him his fast ball was a good 4 or 5 mph slower than the past. He seems very hittable now.

I hope this guy,Votto?,can help out. We could use some pop in the middle of the order to go with Bruce and Ludwick. :)

mdccclxix
09-05-2012, 11:22 AM
Phillies lineup:

Jimmy Rollins SS
Juan Pierre LF
Chase Utley 2B
Ryan Howard 1B
John Mayberry CF
Domonic Brown RF
Erik Kratz C
Michael Martinez 3B
Roy Halladay P

Guns blazing to get to .500

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 11:23 AM
No Reds TV today. The Phillies are broadcasting so if you subscribe to EI or MLBTV you can see it.

mdccclxix
09-05-2012, 11:24 AM
Damn. This is bugging me. The walkup should be pretty good.

Happy Votto Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :KoolAid:

HeatherC1212
09-05-2012, 11:30 AM
That lineup is a beautiful sight today! :luvu: :welcome: :KoolAid: :thisyear:

kbrake
09-05-2012, 11:33 AM
Love this lineup.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 11:41 AM
Would you rather see Valdez? I wouldn't. Gregorious couldn't be any worse. Halladay may pitch a gem today but he's not the Halladay of old. The last time the Reds faced him his fast ball was a good 4 or 5 mph slower than the past. He seems very hittable now.

I hope this guy,Votto?,can help out. We could use some pop in the middle of the order to go with Bruce and Ludwick. :)

I wasn't complaining. I like seeing Didi get a start and of course I welcome Joey back with open arms. Only pointing out that this isn't the easiest guy in the world to face on the first game back.

OldXOhio
09-05-2012, 11:57 AM
True, but still not the guy I'd want to face in my MLB debut. No matter his struggles this year, he's STILL Roy Halladay.

No I agree, he is. I've just been wondering when RH was going to show some wear. Perhaps 2012 has been the start of that.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 11:59 AM
Duran Duran - Notorious - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGDmBLAPikU)
Gregorious!



Sometimes I doubt Didi's commitment to Sparkle Motion

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 12:03 PM
No I agree, he is. I've just been wondering when RH was going to show some wear. Perhaps 2012 has been the start of that.

I think it is, and he's clearly not the dominate pitcher in the game anymore.

His K's are down, his walks are up, and his FB's are also up.

But he's still plenty good.

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 12:07 PM
Duran Duran - Notorious - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGDmBLAPikU)
Gregorious!



Sometimes I doubt Didi's commitment to Sparkle Motion

I like the kid already! ;)

I'm here in the cheap seats...

CySeymour
09-05-2012, 12:14 PM
I like the kid already! ;)

I'm here in the cheap seats...

Drink a beer for me!

OldXOhio
09-05-2012, 12:23 PM
I like the kid already! ;)

I'm here in the cheap seats...

Big crowd on hand today?

HeatherC1212
09-05-2012, 12:27 PM
I like the kid already! ;)

I'm here in the cheap seats...

Scream a little extra loud for Joey from me! :beerme:

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 12:33 PM
Big crowd on hand today?

Filling up... Don't expect too big a crowd tho'.
6270

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 12:34 PM
Scream a little extra loud for Joey from me! :beerme:

Me-me-me... :D

kaldaniels
09-05-2012, 12:36 PM
Phillies broadcast late from commercial missed the first pitch.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 12:37 PM
1 down. That was quick. Tapper back to Leake and Votto gets into the action quickly.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 12:38 PM
Pop out to Hi-C. 2 down quickly.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 12:38 PM
That was nice and easy.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 12:39 PM
Alright Mike. Lather, rinse and repeat. All 9 innings. :O) Utley with a one hopper back to Leake. 1-2-3 baby!

OesterPoster
09-05-2012, 12:44 PM
Votto-matic. Dude is unreal.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 12:44 PM
Just like falling off a log. Votto picks up where he left off two months ago.

HeatherC1212
09-05-2012, 12:45 PM
Welcome back Joey! :D

klw
09-05-2012, 12:46 PM
Votto singled
Ludwick popped up, inning over.

11larkin11
09-05-2012, 12:47 PM
Looks like the old Reds offense is back. Out-out-Votto on base-Out.

Kidding. Kind of.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 12:50 PM
Howard singles to left and beats the shift.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 12:51 PM
Mayberry singles over Didi's leaping attempt. 1st & 2nd, no outs.

OesterPoster
09-05-2012, 12:53 PM
Looks like bad Leake showed up in the 2nd inning so far.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 12:53 PM
1-0 Phillies. Single past Didi. Nice throw by Heisey to make it somewhat close.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 12:54 PM
Thank god we're done with the Phillies after today.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 12:55 PM
Yep, Bad Leake today.

OesterPoster
09-05-2012, 12:55 PM
That ball almost hit Kitty.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 12:56 PM
Crap. 4-0 Phils.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 12:56 PM
jeeeeeezus

klw
09-05-2012, 12:56 PM
Awwww Kratz! 4-0

OesterPoster
09-05-2012, 12:57 PM
Crap. 4-0 Phils.

"Votto is already messing up their chemistry." ~ some idiot fan somewhere :D

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 12:57 PM
That ball almost hit Kitty.

Wish it did... It would have been a long foul ball... :(

CySeymour
09-05-2012, 12:57 PM
I am guessing Leake will not be on the postseason roster again.

medford
09-05-2012, 12:57 PM
Doc is 109-0 when given a 4 run lead in his career.

Feels like a good day to break history :)

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2012, 12:57 PM
Halladay has never given up a 4 run lead in his career. Time to make some history today

OesterPoster
09-05-2012, 12:58 PM
Wish it did... It would have been a long foul ball... :(

Oops. Thought you were in the Kroger Bleachers.

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 12:58 PM
I am guessing Leake will not be on the postseason roster again.

Wow!

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 01:02 PM
I am guessing Leake will not be on the postseason roster again.

IIRC in 2010 Leake was shutdown so he couldn't compete in the post season.

CySeymour
09-05-2012, 01:03 PM
IIRC in 2010 Leake was shutdown so he couldn't compete in the post season.

That is true.

Degenerate39
09-05-2012, 01:04 PM
I don't really want to see Leake pitch in the post season

Homer Bailey
09-05-2012, 01:05 PM
I am guessing Leake will not be on the postseason roster again.

I can't think of a playoff scenario where I would use him.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2012, 01:05 PM
May be time to get Cingrani a few starts...

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 01:08 PM
I can't think of a playoff scenario where I would use him.

John Fay agrees with you... He would use Bailey for a 4th game is necessary.

kaldaniels
09-05-2012, 01:08 PM
May be time to get Cingrani a few starts...

Love to see him be the long man today.

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 01:08 PM
May be time to get Cingrani a few starts...

Really?

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2012, 01:11 PM
6-0 Phillies after Utley's 2 run dinger to center.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2012, 01:11 PM
Really?

Why not?

I have very little faith in Leake going forward.

He could also be a 6th man in the rotation to give the guys a little more rest....5 starters all year, plus the postseason is a lot of innings.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 01:11 PM
jeeeeeezus

CySeymour
09-05-2012, 01:12 PM
Wow, the third inning and the game may already be out of hand...ugly start.

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 01:12 PM
Love to see him be the long man today.

And you might just get your wish... Sigh, Mike... :(

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 01:13 PM
Might as well give Villareal,Cingrani and/or Redmond some work and see what they can do today.

dsmith421
09-05-2012, 01:13 PM
Leake is inching toward the Milton Zone.

kaldaniels
09-05-2012, 01:13 PM
When the book closes on 2012 Leake's pitching line is going to be disappointing. He's been durable...that's about it.

Degenerate39
09-05-2012, 01:14 PM
Might as well give Villareal,Cingrani and/or Redmond some work and see what they can do today.

I wouldn't mind having a day where each of those guys just go three innings

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2012, 01:14 PM
Leake reminds me of Josh Fogg.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 01:16 PM
Extended BP for the Phils today.

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 01:16 PM
Baker coming out...

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 01:17 PM
Extended BP for the Phils today.
Pretty much. Unlike Arroyo, Leake can't just 'get by' when his stuff isn't on. He gets hammered.

kaldaniels
09-05-2012, 01:18 PM
So Leake came into today with an xFIP of 3.66.

Without bashing the metric, can any one offer up a reason for his poor results?

traderumor
09-05-2012, 01:18 PM
I think its safe to say that the Phillies "see the ball" well with Leake on the mound. They're hitting him so hard, makes me wonder if they don't know what's coming, considering they are offensively challenged, even with the big boys back. That or its just flukey bad matchup, like Arroyo and the Blue Jays. Regardless, they should consider skipping him if his turn comes up against this crew in the future.

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 01:19 PM
So Leake came into today with an xFIP of 3.66.

Without bashing the metric, can any one offer up a reason for his poor results?

My head hurts with stats. Let's see of the other pitchers get lit up today...

Cyclone792
09-05-2012, 01:23 PM
The Reds will only need four starters on the postseason roster. No matter the series (LDS, LCS, WS), a four man rotation will guarantee at least four days' rest for all starters.

So the question for Leake becomes: is he one of the four best starters on this team?

If that answer is no, then I honestly don't see a spot for him on a postseason roster. Leake's only value would be during a long extra inning game where he could go extended innings and actually be able to hit for himself. I don't think those types of games happen often enough to justify a roster spot for him.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 01:24 PM
It just figures that even when they're hit by injuries and all the Phillies still find guys off the scrap heap like Frandsen and Kratz and they look like all-stars.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 01:30 PM
At least Joey ensured in the first inning that we wouldn't get no-hit by Halladay again.

CarolinaRedleg
09-05-2012, 01:30 PM
Well, maybe the Mets can salvage something good out of today and beat StL......please?!?

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 01:32 PM
This should be a rocking chair game for Halladay at this point.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 01:32 PM
Well, maybe the Mets can salvage something good out of today and beat StL......please?!?

They get started in about 15 minutes.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 01:33 PM
So Leake came into today with an xFIP of 3.66.

Without bashing the metric, can any one offer up a reason for his poor results?


Without bashing the metric (and I wouldn't be the one to do so), the only explanation is bad luck.

Homer Bailey
09-05-2012, 01:34 PM
So Leake came into today with an xFIP of 3.66.

Without bashing the metric, can any one offer up a reason for his poor results?

I can try, though I'm probably not the one who is best suited to tackle this one.

Leake's actual ERA is much higher than his xFIP mostly because he has a HR/FB rate of over 16%. I believe league average is around 10%. Leake is sporting a career percentage of 14.4%, some of which can be attributed to GABP, but certainly not all of it. Seems that when guys lift balls against Leake, they lift them pretty darn good.

Wonderful Monds
09-05-2012, 01:35 PM
Without bashing the metric (and I wouldn't be the one to do so), the only explanation is bad luck.

No way. The last reason for Mike Leake's season is bad luck.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 01:39 PM
I think its safe to say that the Phillies "see the ball" well with Leake on the mound.

It's probably safer to say that the Phillies success against Leake is just small sample size variation.

It's hard enough to understand that a particular batter "just sees Leake's pitches well", but to extend that to a whole team seems improbable.

BCubb2003
09-05-2012, 01:41 PM
Gregorious robs Pierre after being robbed by Pierre.

mdccclxix
09-05-2012, 01:42 PM
Leake needs to turn a corner at some point, but he's got age and talent on his side. If he can start throwing what's not expected, like Cueto and Arroyo, I think he'll be fine.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 01:43 PM
No way. The last reason for Mike Leake's season is bad luck.

He said "without bashing the metric" of xFIP.

Perhaps you'd like to offer up your own explantion.

But be warned, saying "he's getting bad results because he sucks" is in fact bashing the metric of xFIP.

The initial question really had no answer.

Since xFIP says he's pitching fine, the only two reasons why he's getting poor results would have to be (1) bad luck; and (2) some flaw in xFIP.

Wonderful Monds
09-05-2012, 01:45 PM
He said "without bashing the metric" of xFIP.

Perhaps you'd like to offer up your own explantion.

But be warned, saying "he's getting bad results because he sucks" is in fact bashing the metric of xFIP.

The initial question really had no answer.

Since xFIP says he's pitching fine, the only two reasons why he's getting poor results would have to be (1) bad luck; and (2) some flaw in xFIP.

It's gotta be a flaw in xFIP then. I don't think that's necessarily bashing it. But if if we're saying, what's the reason for this within the parameters of xFIP, then yeah, you got me.

kaldaniels
09-05-2012, 01:46 PM
I don't mind discussing a flaw in xFIP I just didn't want the discussion to devolve as my recent WAR question about Leake did.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 01:47 PM
At least they won't be shutout. Bruce with an RBI double.

Wonderful Monds
09-05-2012, 01:48 PM
I don't mind discussing a flaw in xFIP I just didn't want the discussion to devolve as my recent WAR question about Leake did.

It's gonna be because of the HR/FB discrepancy. To be honest I'm not the biggest fan of xFIP because assuming every pitcher can put up HR/FB numbers in the same ballpark is a pretty hefty assumption to make.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 01:49 PM
It's gotta be a flaw in xFIP then. I don't think that's necessarily bashing it. But if if we're saying, what's the reason for this within the parameters of xFIP, then yeah, you got me.

I assume that if you say that xFIP isn't always an accurate reflection of a pitcher's ability, you are disagreeing with it. Homer Bailey (the poster) indicated that Leake's HR/FB rate is higher than the average number that xFIP gives him.

If in fact Leake will give up HR's at that rate his entire career (and that is an accurate reflection of his skill), then that's a flaw in how xFIP is calculated.

Wonderful Monds
09-05-2012, 01:50 PM
I assume that if you say that xFIP isn't always an accurate reflection of a pitcher's ability, you are disagreeing with it. Homer Bailey (the poster) indicated that Leake's HR/FB rate is higher than the average number that xFIP gives him.

If in fact Leake will give up HR's at that rate his entire career (and that is an accurate reflection of his skill), then that's a flaw in how xFIP is calculated.

Yeah I'll agree with that

Homer Bailey
09-05-2012, 01:51 PM
I assume that if you say that xFIP isn't always an accurate reflection of a pitcher's ability, you are disagreeing with it. Homer Bailey (the poster) indicated that Leake's HR/FB rate is higher than the average number that xFIP gives him.

If in fact Leake will give up HR's at that rate his entire career (and that is an accurate reflection of his skill), then that's a flaw in how xFIP is calculated.

May be a bit of semantics here Puffy, as I think we're on the same page, but I don't think it's necessarily a flaw in how xFIP is calculated. It could be a flaw in how useful it is, but not calculated. xFIP just tells us what a pitchers FIP would be if he had a league average FB/HR rate. On a player by player basis you can assess how meaningful that actually is, but that's all the number really tells us.

Wonderful Monds
09-05-2012, 01:53 PM
I really hope also Cingrani does not debut today because I'd like to watch it. I have a feeling he will though.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 01:53 PM
It's gonna be because of the HR/FB discrepancy. To be honest I'm not the biggest fan of xFIP because assuming every pitcher can put up HR/FB numbers in the same ballpark is a pretty hefty assumption to make.

While pitchers HR/FB rates do vary between pitchers with lots of innings pitched in a career (so the small sample size argument doesn't work), they aren't that extreme. Without looking it up, they tend to range between 9-11% IIRC (some of which might be attributable to ball park effects).

If Leake is at 16%, you should expect that to regress somewhat. But he's always had a higher than normal rate.

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 01:55 PM
https://twitter.com/johnfayman/status/243399312095211520

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 01:56 PM
Nice work by Simon so far.

Wonderful Monds
09-05-2012, 01:56 PM
While pitchers HR/FB rates do vary between pitchers with lots of innings pitched in a career (so the small sample size argument doesn't work), they aren't that extreme. Without looking it up, they tend to range between 9-11% IIRC (some of which might be attributable to ball park effects).

If Leake is at 16%, you should expect that to regress somewhat. But he's always had a higher than normal rate.

Oh yeah I definitely don't think he stays at that rate forever

kaldaniels
09-05-2012, 01:57 PM
https://twitter.com/johnfayman/status/243399312095211520

When one doesn't cherry pick he has had a subpar season. No other way to slice it.

kaldaniels
09-05-2012, 01:59 PM
The HR rate does make sense as to his struggles. Look at today, 2 HR bringing in 5 runs. Though they were teeing off on him.

VR
09-05-2012, 02:00 PM
This would be a fantastic game for the Reds to come back and win.

/just sayin.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 02:01 PM
May be a bit of semantics here Puffy, as I think we're on the same page, but I don't think it's necessarily a flaw in how xFIP is calculated. It could be a flaw in how useful it is, but not calculated. xFIP just tells us what a pitchers FIP would be if he had a league average FB/HR rate. On a player by player basis you can assess how meaningful that actually is, but that's all the number really tells us.

I used the word "calculated" incorrectly.

It's calculation is what it is. You really can't calculate it incorrectly as long as you can add and subtract.

I meant how "xFIP is derived". If pitcher's HR/FB rates differ becuase of different skill sets (as opposed to luck), then there is (in my mind) a flaw in how xFIP is derived.

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 02:02 PM
Gregorius' walk-up music is a mixed "Notorious".

dsmith421
09-05-2012, 02:03 PM
It would appear, based on the charting on At Bat, that Halladay is getting his standard on-deck circle to on-deck circle strike zone.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 02:04 PM
It would appear, based on the charting on At Bat, that Halladay is getting his standard on-deck circle to on-deck circle strike zone.

Yep. The strike three call on Rodriquez was a good six inches off the plate. Not going to comeback with a strike zone like that.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 02:05 PM
LeCure in the game to pitch.

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 02:09 PM
The HR rate does make sense as to his struggles. Look at today, 2 HR bringing in 5 runs. Though they were teeing off on him.

Leake's a ground ball pitcher.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 02:09 PM
Phils out on 7 pitches.

klw
09-05-2012, 02:12 PM
Gregorious robs Pierre after being robbed by Pierre.

Quid pro quo Clarice, quid pro quo.

kaldaniels
09-05-2012, 02:14 PM
Leake's a ground ball pitcher.

But if his HR/FB rate is high, that will erase the advantage of being a GB pitcher. Now will carry forward? I don't know.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 02:14 PM
Votto singles once again.

OesterPoster
09-05-2012, 02:15 PM
Votto trying to beat Melky yet.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 02:15 PM
can't stop Votto

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 02:17 PM
Mets lead the Cards 1-0 in the 2nd.

redsmetz
09-05-2012, 02:17 PM
Bruce doubles again, Joey to third.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 02:17 PM
Bruce another double. Votto to third. A hit here would make a little more interesting.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 02:18 PM
Ludwick is 0 for his career against Halladay, btw.

WildcatFan
09-05-2012, 02:18 PM
I don't know if anybody has video, but would normal Votto have scored on that double?

OesterPoster
09-05-2012, 02:19 PM
What is it with Philly 3rd basemen killing the Reds this year? Geez.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 02:20 PM
WHat is it about Philly 3rd baseman? Another good play and takes the Reds out of the inning.

Gizmo
09-05-2012, 02:23 PM
I don't know if anybody has video, but would normal Votto have scored on that double?

No, it was cut off pretty easily, I'm actually surprised it was a double and not a long single.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 02:24 PM
But if his HR/FB rate is high, that will erase the advantage of being a GB pitcher. Now will carry forward? I don't know.


GB pitchers usually have higher HR/FB rates than FB pitchers. They give up fewer HR's becuase they give up fewer FB's, but the rate tends to be higher.

But not Leake high.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 02:24 PM
WHat is it about Philly 3rd baseman? Another good play and takes the Reds out of the inning.
just not our day

OesterPoster
09-05-2012, 02:25 PM
I don't know how much more Thom I can take on the radio. His overemphasis on certain words drives me nuts.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 02:29 PM
I don't know how much more Thom I can take on the radio. His overemphasis on certain words drives me nuts.
WOW. I mean, it is UNBELIEVABLE that you would say that. GOODNESS.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2012, 02:33 PM
Navarro with another hit. You think he gets the nod over Mez in the post season?

Always Red
09-05-2012, 02:34 PM
Navarro with another hit. You think he gets the nod over Mez in the post season?

Yes.

There will be no need to rest Hanigan, and Navarro hits from both sides off the bench.

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 02:39 PM
I've been critical of the Reds offense over the last few days but today I'll give them credit for making Halladay work and putting him into jams that he was lucky (and obviously, to an extent, good enough) to get out of.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 02:43 PM
I've been critical of the Reds offense over the last few days but today I'll give them credit for making Halladay work and putting him into jams that he was lucky (and obviously, to an extent, good enough) to get out of.

Agreed, with a little better luck, the Reds could have 4 or so runs today.

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2012, 02:43 PM
Mets up 2-0 on the Cards in the 3rd.

klw
09-05-2012, 02:46 PM
I've been critical of the Reds offense over the last few days but today I'll give them credit for making Halladay work and putting him into jams that he was lucky (and obviously, to an extent, good enough) to get out of.

Great job by the pen today as well.
5 2/3 innings of 1 hit ball so far.

OesterPoster
09-05-2012, 02:50 PM
Let's light up the Philly pen.

KittyDuran
09-05-2012, 02:53 PM
A sign today... "Skipped school for Votto"... :D

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 02:56 PM
The mighty Votto has struck out.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 03:03 PM
The mighty Votto has struck out.

On a very nasty slider.

klw
09-05-2012, 03:05 PM
And the Pedro Villareal era begins.

klw
09-05-2012, 03:11 PM
And the Pedro Villareal era begins.

Now to be referred to as Pedro "1-2-3" Villareal or Pedro Villarealgood.

klw
09-05-2012, 03:12 PM
On to the bottom of the 9th and we will see if Todd Frazier can continue his streak of getting on base to something like 27 games.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 03:13 PM
Cards down 5-1, Wainwright getting Leaked.

klw
09-05-2012, 03:15 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce #32
6-2

Frazier reaches on the single. Streak continues.

klw
09-05-2012, 03:16 PM
Live look in on mlb.com

Reds/Flyers Fan
09-05-2012, 03:16 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce #32
6-2

Frazier reaches on the single. Streak continues.

Is Bruce starting his annual white-hot streak about one month too early?

alloverjr
09-05-2012, 03:16 PM
Bruce homered BTW. Love this lineup, even with Phillips and Ludwick goose eggin' it - 10 hits.

klw
09-05-2012, 03:17 PM
Navarro k's

dman
09-05-2012, 03:18 PM
Is Bruce starting his annual white-hot streak about one month too early?

Even if he is, I don't mind... Especially if he bridges a gap for the likes of Votto, Phillips, and Ludwick to heat up for the post season.

klw
09-05-2012, 03:19 PM
didi has wheels but Phils gets the force out, 2 down

klw
09-05-2012, 03:20 PM
Phipps k's, game over
6-2 Phils

oneupper
09-05-2012, 03:23 PM
Six runs scored in the series. Lucky to get away with one W.

PuffyPig
09-05-2012, 03:26 PM
Reds hit the ball well today, not always in luck.

Halladay got he job done, but certainly wasn't dominating. On another day, with the same stuff and less luck, we'd get 5 off him.

Big Klu
09-05-2012, 03:30 PM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Brandon Phillips - 139
17. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Joey Votto - 133
19. Jay Bruce - 132
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

Tom Servo
09-05-2012, 03:34 PM
Bruce homered BTW. Love this lineup, even with Phillips and Ludwick goose eggin' it - 10 hits.
A bit surprised about BP, he's got good career numbers against Halladay. He has been in kind of a funk in the last week or so though. Ludwick, as I pointed out earlier, is apparently 0-for-life against Halladay.

BuckeyeRedleg
09-05-2012, 03:49 PM
Jay Bruce is 25 and kills baseballs.

And getting better every year.

And a Red for a very long time.

Niiiice.

Degenerate39
09-05-2012, 03:58 PM
17. Joey Votto - 133
19. Jay Bruce - 132

I wonder who will be higher on the list at the end of the season?

BuckeyeRedleg
09-05-2012, 04:12 PM
17. Joey Votto - 133
19. Jay Bruce - 132

I wonder who will be higher on the list at the end of the season?

At Bruce's pace, he may pass BP (139).

lollipopcurve
09-05-2012, 08:38 PM
Very impressed with Gregorius' athleticism. Maybe a bit raw at the plate right now, but I see a high-ceiling athlete. Reds have a dilemma at SS, IMO. (Hamilton = OF)

Villareal pumped strikes. That was nice to see.