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cumberlandreds
09-10-2012, 03:52 PM
The automatic out is back in the lineup as SS tonight. Good to see Heisey back in CF. I thought Frazier would have had tonight off.

1. Brock Holt (L) 2B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=holtbr01&year=Career&t=b)
2. Alex Presley (L) RF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=preslal01&year=Career&t=b)
3. Andrew McCutchen (R) CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=mccutan01&year=Career&t=b)
4. Garrett Jones (L) 1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=jonesga02&year=Career&t=b)
5. Pedro Alvarez (L) 3B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=alvarpe01&year=Career&t=b)
6. Jose Tabata (R) LF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=tabatjo01&year=Career&t=b)
7. Clint Barmes (R) SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=barmecl01&year=Career&t=b)
8. Rod Barajas (R) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=barajro01&year=Career&t=b)
9. Wandy Rodriguez (S) P (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=rodriwa01&year=Career&t=b)

(http://www.baseballpress.com/lineup_team.php?team=CIN)1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=phillbr01&year=Career&t=b)
2. Chris Heisey (R) CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=heisech01&year=Career&t=b)
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=vottojo01&year=Career&t=b)
4. Ryan Ludwick (R) LF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=ludwiry01&year=Career&t=b)
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=bruceja01&year=Career&t=b)
6. Todd Frazier (R) 3B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=frazito01&year=Career&t=b)
7. Dioner Navarro (S) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=navardi01&year=Career&t=b)
8. Wilson Valdez (R) SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=valdewi01&year=Career&t=b)
9. Mat Latos (R) P (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=latosma01&year=Career&t=b)

Puig Your Red
09-10-2012, 04:11 PM
Didi hit .243 and had a .288 OBP in Louisville this year. He is also an automatic out, just a younger version of it right now.

OesterPoster
09-10-2012, 04:26 PM
I was wondering if I'm crazy, because I seriously can't remember Valdez hitting one out of the infield in a long time. His chart shows that he's only hit 6 balls farther than 300 feet all season at home...and 5 of those were outs. Checked all his road games, and he only has 2 total balls farther than 300 feet, both outs.

I'm not picking on him, but I honestly didn't know he was such an extremely weak hitter. He really makes Janish appear Herculean.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 04:34 PM
^ Yeah, I cannot believe the guy actually hit 5 HR's in 2010-2011.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2012, 04:51 PM
Didi hit .243 and had a .288 OBP in Louisville this year. He is also an automatic out, just a younger version of it right now.

At least he can play defense.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 04:53 PM
I'm not picking on him, but I honestly didn't know he was such an extremely weak hitter. He really makes Janish appear Herculean.

Good post, and I know you're not picking on him. But I do think too much blame is being directed to Valdez. He cannot hit, no dispute. But he's a fringe backup player.

There are so many posts on RedsZone directed to Valdez. They really should be directed to the REGULAR players who have fallen into September swoons so far.

Funny thing is the only game the Reds won this weekend, Valdez got a key hit, albeit a swinging bunt, but it produced two runs. And he fouled off a gazillion pitches, a very fine at bat in a key spot.

Valdez is what he is, a versatile backup player who can't hit. More of the guys who CAN hit need to do so.

OesterPoster
09-10-2012, 05:04 PM
Valdez knows his role. His filling in for CF during a big road trip (was it the west coast trip?) might have been his most important job this season so far.

Jefferson24
09-10-2012, 05:20 PM
Dusty should have considered moving the pitcher up a spot.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 05:26 PM
Valdez knows his role. His filling in for CF during a big road trip (was it the west coast trip?) might have been his most important job this season so far.

It was at CitiField. I was at one of the games. LOL, CF could be his best position!

traderumor
09-10-2012, 05:53 PM
I was wondering if I'm crazy, because I seriously can't remember Valdez hitting one out of the infield in a long time. His chart shows that he's only hit 6 balls farther than 300 feet all season at home...and 5 of those were outs. Checked all his road games, and he only has 2 total balls farther than 300 feet, both outs.

I'm not picking on him, but I honestly didn't know he was such an extremely weak hitter. He really makes Janish appear Herculean.He got off the juice :D

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 06:13 PM
Re: Gregorious


At least he can play defense.

I'm with Dusty on this one: after losing two out of three to the Astros, needing to get back on track in the win column and with a chance to finish off the Pirates, I go with the vet over the rookie.

cumberlandreds
09-10-2012, 06:25 PM
At least he can play defense.

That's my thinking too. Valdez did hit one to the warning track in cf in the Astro series. I believe that was the furthest he has hit one this season.

VR
09-10-2012, 06:37 PM
That's my thinking too. Valdez did hit one to the warning track in cf in the Astro series. I believe that was the furthest he has hit one this season.

Out of 397 MLB players with >125 abs this year....the Reds have the 2nd and 5th worst OPS performers in Valdez (#2) and Cairo (#5)

cumberlandreds
09-10-2012, 06:47 PM
Out of 397 MLB players with >125 abs this year....the Reds have the 2nd and 5th worst OPS performers in Valdez (#2) and Cairo (#5)

Really, when you think about it, it's amazing how well the Reds have done this season with such a putrid bench and considering the injuries they have had.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 06:50 PM
Wandy has pitched very well his last two times out against Houston and before that Cards. Both were at home.

Latos has been tremendous since June, except for that recent outing against the Cards.

I only posted this to try and end the discussion of Valdez for awhile, as fascinating as Wilson may be.

PuffyPig
09-10-2012, 06:53 PM
Good post, and I know you're not picking on him. But I do think too much blame is being directed to Valdez. He cannot hit, no dispute. But he's a fringe backup player.

There are so many posts on RedsZone directed to Valdez. They really should be directed to the REGULAR players who have fallen into September swoons so far.

Funny thing is the only game the Reds won this weekend, Valdez got a key hit, albeit a swinging bunt, but it produced two runs. And he fouled off a gazillion pitches, a very fine at bat in a key spot.

Valdez is what he is, a versatile backup player who can't hit. More of the guys who CAN hit need to do so.

This is a nice post.

Valdez is likely our best alternative at SS with Cozart out.

Such as it is.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:14 PM
First batter flies out to left. Forgot the guy's name. Now Presley up and singles.

McCutchen gets ahead 3-0. Swings away and misses, 3-1 count.

McCutchen walks, two on.

I'm not doing PBP, I'm bad luck.

Bucs don't score. That much I can say.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 08:19 PM
Anyone else out there?

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:21 PM
Anyone else out there?

Must all be watching the football game.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 08:22 PM
Must all be watching the football game.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking... I've got the Bengals game on and Reds game updating via Yahoo.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 08:23 PM
Just got here from work

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:25 PM
Heisey might have swung at ball four there, long fly out.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:27 PM
Wandy half way to the dugout, called ball three to Votto.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 08:29 PM
How close was the fly out for Votto? Yahoo says "Deep Left Center"

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 08:30 PM
How close was the fly out for Votto? Yahoo says "Deep Left Center"
It was to the warning track. Earlier in the year he probably would have hit it out.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 08:32 PM
Bengals down 10-0 to start the game..... :sigh:

Brutus
09-10-2012, 08:32 PM
It was to the warning track. Earlier in the year he probably would have hit it out.

Balls typically travel better later in the summer, although the 'peak' is probably July and August, admittedly.

Nonetheless, I suppose it depends on the weather on that given day.

Degenerate39
09-10-2012, 08:32 PM
This might be a long football season

Gizmo
09-10-2012, 08:35 PM
Hell of a grab by Phillips there.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:35 PM
Bottom two, no score, amazing play by Phillips, as Gizmo said.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Balls typically travel better later in the summer, although the 'peak' is probably July and August, admittedly.

Nonetheless, I suppose it depends on the weather on that given day.

I hope the problem is weather, not Votto's ability to drive the ball.

Hope he's healthy enough to hit the ball with his usual authority.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 08:38 PM
Well tonight's weather is like weather in April... We know the ball doesn't carry well in April.. So, I chalk it up to being the weather.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:41 PM
Wandy pitching a perfect game through two innings.

BCubb2003
09-10-2012, 08:42 PM
Hell of a grab by Phillips there.

Similar to one by Gregorius the other day. Rookie pushing the star.

cincrazy
09-10-2012, 08:44 PM
I don't think it's the weather or his knee, although it could be either I suppose. I think it's more likely that his timing is just off. He's missing them by just an inch. He's been out a really long time, it's going to take some time to get his timing back.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:45 PM
Wandy is 2 for 51. The second hit is a single right now.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 08:45 PM
End of the 1st, Bengals down 10-0 but they are driving.... FYI for those Bengals fans

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:45 PM
This umpire isn't calling anything a strike for Latos.

Degenerate39
09-10-2012, 08:45 PM
End of the 1st, Bengals down 10-0 but they are driving.... FYI for those Bengals fans

Was that a fumble at the end of the 1st?

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:46 PM
That lead off hitter whose name I can't remember, just hit into a DP.

cincrazy
09-10-2012, 08:46 PM
Nice job there by Latos getting a DP.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 08:46 PM
Was that a fumble at the end of the 1st?

Nope... Ground caused.

cincrazy
09-10-2012, 08:46 PM
I think I may be the only one that doesn't give two hoots about the Bengals tonight hahaha. Still baseball season for me :).

Kc61
09-10-2012, 08:46 PM
Brilliant fielding on the DP by Valdez. Just kidding, right to him.

Reds coming up with Navarro, Valdez, and Latos. Wandy with a no-hitter so far.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 08:55 PM
Wandy Rodriguez going Sandy Koufax on this offense.

Degenerate39
09-10-2012, 08:56 PM
Where's Jobu when you need him?

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 09:01 PM
1-0 Pitt on a long ball.

dman
09-10-2012, 09:04 PM
I know it's September and a lot can take place, but here lately this team hasn't looked like a team that will still be playing in October. Kinda' discouraging.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 09:04 PM
1-0 Pitt on a long ball.

the way the Reds are hitting the ball..1 run might be enough tonight.

alloverjr
09-10-2012, 09:06 PM
Latos seems like a giant head case. Game's about to get out of hand.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 09:07 PM
Latos seems like a giant head case. Game's about to get out of hand.

What makes you derive at the conclusion that he's a giant head case?

Gizmo
09-10-2012, 09:07 PM
Latos seems like a giant head case. Game's about to get out of hand.

Looks like he got a bad no call for what would have been a K.

alloverjr
09-10-2012, 09:09 PM
What makes you derive at the conclusion that he's a giant head case?

Seems to pout everytime a call or play doesn't go his way. At least from my vantage point. Call it immaturity?

George Foster
09-10-2012, 09:09 PM
a walk here is not that bad

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 09:11 PM
I think I may be the only one that doesn't give two hoots about the Bengals tonight hahaha. Still baseball season for me :).

I'm with you there - I'll check the scores but I won't be watching any games until after baseball is done.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:12 PM
Latos has two problems here. Ump has a very tight strike zone. Second, it's hard to pitch when your team doesn't score.

Gizmo
09-10-2012, 09:12 PM
I'm with you there - I'll check the scores but I won't be watching any games until after baseball is done.

Got reds on MLB.tv, Bengals on tv. Nothing wrong with watching both.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 09:12 PM
ugh. bloop.

Red in Chicago
09-10-2012, 09:13 PM
I think a healthy votto would have had that

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 09:13 PM
Tough play for Votto

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 09:14 PM
This team is just asleep at the wheel.

Gizmo
09-10-2012, 09:16 PM
Not looking like a playoff team fighting for best record in all baseball :(

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 09:16 PM
Not looking like a playoff team fighting for best record in all baseball :(
The Braves may end up passing us in wins.

Jefferson24
09-10-2012, 09:17 PM
This team is just asleep at the wheel.

I think they just hit the curb, then a mailbox, and now a construction zone and still sleeping.

dman
09-10-2012, 09:17 PM
Not looking like a playoff team fighting for best record in all baseball :(

After losing 2 of 3 to a AAA Astros team, I pretty much had the same opinion.

cincrazy
09-10-2012, 09:17 PM
I think it's just a stretch that every team goes through... geesh. Still a playoff team, everyone chill out.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:18 PM
Reds hitters need to be patient because this umpire has such a small strike zone.

That was one disgusting half inning.

Gizmo
09-10-2012, 09:19 PM
I think it's just a stretch that every team goes through... geesh. Still a playoff team, everyone chill out.

yeah, I'm not overly concerned yet, but they do need to start looking like they can win in October again before it's too late.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 09:20 PM
The Braves may end up passing us in wins.

You say that a little bit like it's disgraceful. The Braves have the fourth-most wins in baseball and are playing really well. They could still potentially catch up with the Nats too.

Jefferson24
09-10-2012, 09:20 PM
Do they think they have it all rapped up and can just coast home? Keep playing like this they may just open things back up.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 09:23 PM
Heisey! :jump:

alloverjr
09-10-2012, 09:23 PM
Hello CF'er.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:23 PM
Brutus - if you're in the thread - I think Heisey is NOW the incumbant CFer.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 09:23 PM
Get use to the bench Stubbs!!

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 09:27 PM
As hot as Bruce is, Wandy seems to own him for his career.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 09:27 PM
As hot as Bruce is, Wandy seems to own him for his career.

Seems is an understatement lol

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 09:29 PM
As hot as Bruce is, Wandy seems to own him for his career.

I'd forgotten about that when I saw the lineups - I have to assume Bruce is in due to his recent hitting. Otherwise I'd have thought we'd see Heisey, Paul and Ludwick in the outfield.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:30 PM
I'd forgotten about that when I saw the lineups - I have to assume Bruce is in due to his recent hitting. Otherwise I'd have thought we'd see Heisey, Paul and Ludwick in the outfield.

Not going to play Paul against a lefty. The guy would be Stubbs. Rather have Bruce.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:30 PM
I get the feeling Latos is extremely frustrated by this umpire.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 09:31 PM
This strike zone is absurd.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 09:32 PM
Bengals answer at the end of the half with a TD.

Halftime, Bengals down 17-10 but will get the ball to start the half.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:32 PM
Latos with 85 pitches.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 09:33 PM
Latos with 85 pitches.

He always seems to get up to high pitch counts pretty early in a game. About the only thing I'd like to see him change.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 09:34 PM
He always seems to get up to high pitch counts pretty early in a game. About the only thing I'd like to see him change.
He was running up high counts in April, the last few months he's generally been good at going deep into games.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:35 PM
He always seems to get up to high pitch counts pretty early in a game. About the only thing I'd like to see him change.

Maybe. I think he's been just terrific and has pitched deep into games plenty.

This game should be 1-1 if not for the defense and the umpire.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 09:35 PM
Latos wanting every pitch that is close to the zone...the last 3 pitches he was upset about were balls off the plate.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 09:36 PM
Not going to play Paul against a lefty. The guy would be Stubbs. Rather have Bruce.

Forgot Wandy was a lefty. Looking at the stats, Stubbs wouldn't have been a poor choice to be out there even over Bruce going against the left handers.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 09:37 PM
Maybe. I think he's been just terrific and has pitched deep into games plenty.

This game should be 1-1 if not for the defense and the umpire.

Didn't say he pitched badly, just that he runs his pitch count up.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:37 PM
Frazier really, really needs a couple of days off. Weak swings, defensive mistakes, he's really going poorly.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:38 PM
Didn't say he pitched badly, just that he runs his pitch count up.

I don't see any serious problem. It's not like Volquez or anything.

Thom is talking playoffs like it's a done deal. I don't view it as a done deal.

klw
09-10-2012, 09:39 PM
Frazier enjoyed flying out on the 1st pitch the first time, he did it again his second time up.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 09:40 PM
Frazier really, really needs a couple of days off. Weak swings, defensive mistakes, he's really going poorly.

ya...don't know why Cairo did not start 3rd tonight...frazier is struggling.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:46 PM
98 pitches for Latos, one on one out in the sixth.

99 pitches after the pitch out.

alloverjr
09-10-2012, 09:47 PM
98 pitches for Latos, one on one out in the sixth.

99 pitches after the pitch out.

I think this is his last inning if he makes it out. Leads off next inning.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:49 PM
I think this is his last inning if he makes it out. Leads off next inning.

Certainly should be his last inning.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 09:50 PM
Quality start by Latos.

Gizmo
09-10-2012, 09:50 PM
Let's get some runs.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 09:52 PM
Let's get some runs.
I'm not holding my breath :(

George Foster
09-10-2012, 09:52 PM
Quality start by Latos.

is it 6 innings or 7 innings with 3 runs or less that is considered a quality start?

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:52 PM
If Wandy is out there I'd let Hanigan or Rolen hit. A good righty hitter. There's plenty of bench depth today with the callups.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 09:52 PM
is it 6 innings or 7 innings with 3 runs or less that is considered a quality start?
6 innings of 3 runs or less.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:53 PM
Cairo. Reasonable choice, he's hit ok recently.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 09:53 PM
6 innings of 3 runs or less.

that's a 4.5 ERA. Is there a stat for a "ok" start?

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 09:53 PM
Cairo. Reasonable choice, he's hit ok recently.

Did that really just get said on RedsZone?

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:54 PM
Did that really just get said on RedsZone?

I am the defender of Cairo and Valdez.

To a point.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 09:56 PM
Two outs. The Reds have only one hit tonight. According to the box score on my computer. Maybe I need a new computer.

dsmith421
09-10-2012, 09:57 PM
Latest in a series of completely pathetic innings.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 09:57 PM
Two outs. The Reds have only one hit tonight. According to the box score on my computer. Maybe I need a new computer.

Nope, just checked out the White House's website and they also told me 1 hit. :(

George Foster
09-10-2012, 09:58 PM
Latest in a series of completely pathetic innings.

How many games were we over .500 when Votto left the line-up?

klw
09-10-2012, 09:58 PM
With a 10 man bench if dusty's best option is Cairo, I'm going to bed

NJReds
09-10-2012, 09:58 PM
This team is playing like it already clinched.

Jefferson24
09-10-2012, 10:00 PM
that's a 4.5 ERA. Is there a stat for a "ok" start?

not when you are supported by one hit, better be a perfect start

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:01 PM
I'm never comfortable unless the team has clinched or is darn near clinching.

The Cards have a tough schedule, but they do have a Astros, Cubs, Astros stretch later on.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:04 PM
This team is playing like it already clinched.
I'm thinking more like they are already out of the race.

dman
09-10-2012, 10:05 PM
I'm thinking more like they are already out of the race.

Do they know something that we don't???

Jefferson24
09-10-2012, 10:06 PM
I'm thinking more like they are already out of the race.

typical Cubs baseball in August.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:08 PM
if we don't make some noise in this inning....pack it in.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:08 PM
All right, got big bats coming up - time to cut into the lead a bit.

dsmith421
09-10-2012, 10:10 PM
How many games were we over .500 when Votto left the line-up?

12, I think.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:10 PM
if we don't make some noise in this inning....pack it in.

There's a lot of lumber on the bench. All three innings will count.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:11 PM
Votto singles

alloverjr
09-10-2012, 10:11 PM
Another hit!

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:11 PM
12, I think.



That's what I was thinking.. it's under 12 now for sure.

Votto not running like he's healthy.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:11 PM
Good start

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:12 PM
Why is Thom talking about Frank Robinson endlessly at this point in the ballgame?

Red in Chicago
09-10-2012, 10:13 PM
Why is Thom talking about Frank Robinson endlessly at this point in the ballgame?

Has there really been anything else to talk about?

alloverjr
09-10-2012, 10:13 PM
Why is Thom talking about Frank Robinson endlessly at this point in the ballgame?

Because the Reds are batting? ;)

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:13 PM
Thom calls it a sure DP, and it's not.

He does this ALL THE TIME.

Red in Chicago
09-10-2012, 10:14 PM
Ludwig and Bruce working the count;)

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:14 PM
Because the Reds are batting? ;)

I accept your thanks for setting up that line.

Two outs now for the Reds. Bruce runs it out nicely to avoid the DP.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:14 PM
Why is Thom talking about Frank Robinson endlessly at this point in the ballgame?

What Red hit the most homeruns on their birthday?

My guess...The big Klu, or Adam Dunn

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:14 PM
Bruce should have sat again tonight against Wandy as he usually does. Recent streak or no streak, Wandy owns him.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:15 PM
Bruce should have sat again tonight against Wandy as he usually does. Recent streak or no streak, Wandy owns him.

Usually Heisey replaces Bruce. Heisey is in there anyway. I guess Stubbs could have played. Not sure what righty hitter would have been better, frankly.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:16 PM
Bruce should have sat again tonight against Wandy as he usually does. Recent streak or no streak, Wandy owns him.

totally agree. Batting against a guy that u can't hit is a good way to END a hot streak.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:16 PM
totally agree. Batting against a guy that u can't hit is a good way to END a hot streak.

Who would you have played in the outfield, just curious to know? Stubbs?

alloverjr
09-10-2012, 10:17 PM
Not sure I get this move by Hurdle.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:17 PM
Not sure I get this move by Hurdle.

Navarro is better right handed. Presumably he is bringing in a righty to switch Navarro around.

Not sure who is coming in.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:18 PM
Not sure I get this move by Hurdle.

2009 to 2011, Navarro was .190 against righties.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:18 PM
Not sure I get this move by Hurdle.
Yeah, Rodriguez probably could have pitched thru 8 and then handed it off to Hanrahan in the 9th. Their pen is good, but not lights out.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:19 PM
Who would you have played in the outfield, just curious to know? Stubbs?

Stubbs or Paul. Bruce is like 2 for 30 against Rod. He does not pick the ball up against him for some reason. Stubbs or Paul would have a better chance, even Paul as a left hander. My first pick would be Stubbs.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:19 PM
Right now I would use XMan for Navarro.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:20 PM
Who would you have played in the outfield, just curious to know? Stubbs?

Stubbs does have a career .861 OPS against Wandy.

alloverjr
09-10-2012, 10:21 PM
See :D

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:21 PM
Right now I would use XMan for Navarro.
Yeah but what do you know? ;)


Navarro :)

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:21 PM
wow...the dead has risen!!!

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:21 PM
Navarro continues to reward the Reds' faith in him over Mesoraco.

Jefferson24
09-10-2012, 10:22 PM
we are good again

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:22 PM
Stubbs does have a career .861 OPS against Wandy.

I didn't intend to argue that Stubbs was a bad choice. Was just asking.

Me, I would have played Bruce like Dusty did. Jay's had a lot of big hits against lefties. I don't buy that he can't hit Wandy. Some times these things turn around.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:22 PM
wow...the dead has risen!!!

And as we used to answer in church... it has risen indeed!

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 10:23 PM
So, there is a scoring play and no one explains what that play was.... I'm blind here!

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:23 PM
Maybe Navarro's performance will represent a culture change for the Reds. Maybe they will accept the notion of switch hitters in the 21st century.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:23 PM
I didn't intend to argue that Stubbs was a bad choice. Was just asking.

Me, I would have played Bruce like Dusty did. Jay's had a lot of big hits against lefties. I don't buy that he can't hit Wandy. Some times these things turn around.

1-for-32 with 16 Ks... I think that's enough to suggest he can't hit him.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:23 PM
So, there is a scoring play and no one explains what that play was.... I'm blind here!
Navarro doubled in Bruce and Frazier. Tie game.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:23 PM
Stubbs does have a career .861 OPS against Wandy.

it would seem if you are trying to get a guy hitting again you would play him against a pitcher that he has hit pretty well in the past...just sayin.

Maybe Stubbs is just in Dusty's dog house.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:24 PM
1-for-32 with 16 Ks... I think that's enough to suggest he can't hit him.

Whatever, I've seen Bruce hit too many big homers against lefties. Not going to debate it, tie game.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 10:24 PM
Navarro doubled in Bruce and Frazier. Tie game.

Thanks Servo.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:25 PM
PH X-Man grounds out to end the inning.

3-3 after 7.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:25 PM
Whatever, I've seen Bruce hit too many big homers against lefties. Not going to debate it, tie game.

Not all lefties are created equally. That's like saying a guy should be able to hit Justin Verlander because they were able to hit Todd Redmond. Just because Bruce has had big hits against lefties doesn't make him more capable of hitting a guy that has owned him for his career.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:25 PM
it would seem if you are trying to get a guy hitting again you would play him against a pitcher that he has hit pretty well in the past...just sayin.

Maybe Stubbs is just in Dusty's dog house.

My guess is that Dusty had the following thought process: I can hit Jay Bruce or Drew Stubbs tonight. I prefer Jay Bruce.

Let's hold the Pirates here in the eighth.

Jefferson24
09-10-2012, 10:26 PM
our pen > their pen

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:26 PM
PH X-Man grounds out to end the inning.

3-3 after 7.

I was going to suggest that Dusty should have PH with Paul and then brought in Hanigan or Mes to catch the rest of the game - glad I didn't actually make that comment! :D

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:26 PM
I was going to suggest that Dusty should have PH with Paul and then brought in Hanigan or Mes to catch the rest of the game - glad I didn't actually make that comment! :D

I said XMan should hit for Navarro. And I DID make that comment.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:28 PM
I said XMan should hit for Navarro. And I DID make that comment.

...thus we find out why we're not big league managers!

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:30 PM
Marshall dispenses with two lefties with power.

Now Marshall pitching to righty Tabata.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:30 PM
Dusty not playing the odds ...staying with Marshall

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:31 PM
Dusty not playing the odds ...staying with Marshall

Sean has him 0-2. Hopefully it works out. Count now full on three curves that missed to various degrees.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:32 PM
When did Tabata become a world beater?

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:33 PM
Sean has him 0-2. Hopefully it works out.

why have Broxton warm and not use him? WTH!!!!

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:33 PM
When did Tabata become a world beater?

First time he had the umpire's help. That time, Tabata had a real good at bat.

Broxton coming in one on, two out.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:34 PM
First time he had the umpire's help. That time, Tabata had a real good at bat.

Broxton coming in one on, two out.
Tabata also doubled off Latos.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:34 PM
When did Tabata become a world beater?

that was his 3rd hit and Marshall had no business pitching to him. If you are going to pitch Marshall against Tabata why not the next righty? Why? Someone explain that one?

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:35 PM
First time he had the umpire's help. That time, Tabata had a real good at bat.

Broxton coming in one on, two out.

Tabata held up twice on those last few pitches from Marshall - good ab for him.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:36 PM
Broxton getting squeezed

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:36 PM
Broxton getting squeezed

This ump's been doing it to the Reds pitchers all night

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:37 PM
Did Clement swing 3-0? Wild.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:37 PM
THANK you, Pirates' PH

alloverjr
09-10-2012, 10:38 PM
Did Clement swing 3-0? Wild.

Not Hurdle's finest hour, assuming the kid didn't miss a sign.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:39 PM
Not Hurdle's finest hour, assuming the kid didn't miss a sign.
Clint isn't much of an intellectual.

RANDY IN INDY
09-10-2012, 10:39 PM
Terrible night for the home plate umpire. Just awful.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:39 PM
Broxton getting squeezed

I know we got out of that inning but Broxton should of pitched to Tabata from the wind-up where he has been most effective. When he has struggled it has been with runners on and pitching from the stretch.

Don't understand Dusty sometimes.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:39 PM
Hanigan, Phillips and Heisey coming up.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:41 PM
That was a ball when Marshall and Broxton were pitching.

Ump is TERRIBLE

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:41 PM
Bengals defense stays in Cincy... 13-42 Ravens at the start of the 4th

RANDY IN INDY
09-10-2012, 10:41 PM
Doesn't look like the Buc pitchers are getting squeezed.

RedsfaninMT
09-10-2012, 10:42 PM
Just tuned in a bit a go. Ump WAS NOT giving those pitches to Broxton. Consistency should not be too much to ask.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:43 PM
Thom...he's a homer, but he's our homer!:laugh:

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:43 PM
Dang - thought Hannigan had gotten enough of that one.

RedsfaninMT
09-10-2012, 10:43 PM
I'm not generally in favor of a manager getting tossed, but Dusty ought to be in this ump's face. Get tossed. See if it fires up the team.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:43 PM
BP ain't even mad.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:44 PM
let's beat this jerk...

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:44 PM
BP ain't even mad.

All this chatter about hitting guys is interesting but I'll take the baserunner with one out. If Heisey can do something we got Votto coming up.

REDSEER
09-10-2012, 10:44 PM
LOL at Hughes. This guy is a tool.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:45 PM
That may have been intentional, as the Pirates never got their 'retribution' so to speak. Nonetheless, I'll just take the win if the Reds can get it.

REDSEER
09-10-2012, 10:45 PM
BP is not pleased.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:45 PM
Key here is NOT to have first base open for Votto. Want him to hit.

Gizmo
09-10-2012, 10:45 PM
I hope we're in his head and win it here.

Tadasimha
09-10-2012, 10:46 PM
Pirates? More like punks.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:46 PM
I would love for Phillips to steal

RedsfaninMT
09-10-2012, 10:47 PM
Not trying to jinx, but that is a horrible pick off move.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:49 PM
steal 3rd...

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:50 PM
Phillips steal of second there was unwise. Now Votto walks.

Also, Heisey swung at a bad pitch. He isn't a very disciplined hitter. He could have really generated an inning here.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:50 PM
Phillips steal of second there was unwise. Now Votto walks.

Also, Heisey swung at a bad pitch. He isn't a very disciplined hitter. He could have really generated an inning here.

Why is it ever unwise to put a runner in scoring position? Runners won't score on singles. By stealing second with two outs, you greatly increase your chances of a run.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:51 PM
Why is it ever unwise to put a runner in scoring position?

I'd rather have Votto hit with Phillips on first. He's a doubles machine.

Now the bat is out of Joey's hands.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:51 PM
Phillips steal of second there was unwise. Now Votto walks.

Also, Heisey swung at a bad pitch. He isn't a very disciplined hitter. He could have really generated an inning here.

I think they were trying to avoid the double play, but I agree with u

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:52 PM
look for words to be said after the inning if Brandon does not score

OesterPoster
09-10-2012, 10:53 PM
Pretty bad ABs by Heisey and Ludwick.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 10:53 PM
:(


Ludwick pitiful so far in September

Gizmo
09-10-2012, 10:53 PM
well that was pathetic.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:53 PM
I can't remember Ludwicks last RBI

Jefferson24
09-10-2012, 10:54 PM
sad at bat

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:54 PM
I'd rather have Votto hit with Phillips on first. He's a doubles machine.

Now the bat is out of Joey's hands.

Despite being a 'doubles machine,' he only hits a double in 6% of his plate appearances. That's not very good odds to gameplan for.

OesterPoster
09-10-2012, 10:55 PM
I'm calling it now. Bruce walk off in the 9th.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:55 PM
look for words to be said after the inning if Brandon does not score

told ya....

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:57 PM
told ya....

What happened? I wasn't paying attention.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 10:58 PM
What happened? I wasn't paying attention.

Brandon told McCutchen that was bull @#$#@ then he was barking at the umpire for not tossing the pitcher...

Kc61
09-10-2012, 10:58 PM
Despite being a 'doubles machine,' he only hits a double in 6% of his plate appearances. That's not very good odds to gameplan for.

Not one of your better arguments. The double is one possible good outcome with Votto. There are many others. Votto gets hits of all different types, has a huge OBP, great hitter.

Taking the bat out of his hands that inning is a BAD idea.

dsmith421
09-10-2012, 10:59 PM
Uh oh.

Brutus
09-10-2012, 10:59 PM
Not one of your better arguments. The double is one possible good outcome with Votto. There are many others. Votto gets hits of all different types, his a hugue OBP, great hitter.

Taking the bat out of his hands that inning is a BAD idea.

The percentages say otherwise, KC. The Reds increased their chances of a run in that situation by getting a runner to second base.

The odds of a single or more by Ludwick are greater than the odds of an extra base hit by Votto. You can get out a calculator and find that out for yourself rather easily.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 11:00 PM
The percentages say otherwise, KC. The Reds increased their chances of a run in that situation by getting a runner to second base.

The odds of a single or more by Ludwick are greater than the odds of an extra base hit by Votto. You can get out a calculator and find that out for yourself rather easily.

Maybe when Ludwick was hot. But there, I'll give Votto a bat.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 11:00 PM
I don't know if I trust Broxton here. I'd rather see Hoover in.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 11:01 PM
I don't know if I trust Broxton here. I'd rather see Hoover in.

Hoover's rep on RedsZone warrants a wing in Cooperstown.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 11:02 PM
Snider the lefty up. Can we bring Marshall back?

George Foster
09-10-2012, 11:02 PM
Hoover's rep on RedsZone warrants a wing in Cooperstown.

I really laughed out loud at this one....thanks:thumbup:

Brutus
09-10-2012, 11:02 PM
Maybe when Ludwick was hot. But there, I'll give Votto a bat.

Even this month, Ludwick is getting a hit 24% of the time. That's, statistically, more than twice the odds of Votto getting an extra base hit.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 11:03 PM
Runner at third, two outs. Broxton vs. Snider.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 11:03 PM
Even this month, Ludwick is getting a hit 24% of the time. That's, statistically, more than twice the odds of Votto getting an extra base hit.

Whatever, you win, I'm busy watching the Reds try and give me a heart attack.

OesterPoster
09-10-2012, 11:04 PM
Put him away Brox.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 11:04 PM
Whatever, you win, I'm busy watching the Reds try and give me a heart attack.

Sounds like a guy giving into his wife.... :laugh:

George Foster
09-10-2012, 11:04 PM
Sounds like a guy giving into his wife.... :laugh:

sounds like my wife giving into me:p

OesterPoster
09-10-2012, 11:05 PM
97 heater.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 11:05 PM
Brox can throw.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 11:05 PM
Broxton is a big ole' boy throwing 97mph gas.

WVRedsFan
09-10-2012, 11:06 PM
K

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 11:06 PM
K

K what?

George Foster
09-10-2012, 11:06 PM
K what?

Broxton is out of the inning..

WVRedsFan
09-10-2012, 11:06 PM
K what?

You texter, you :).

Brutus
09-10-2012, 11:07 PM
Rumors of Broxton's demise were greatly exaggerated... or utterly fabricated.

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 11:07 PM
K what?
Broxton beat Snider :)

Brutus
09-10-2012, 11:08 PM
Lefty brought in during the 9th inning to try and get Bruce out. We've seen this movie before.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 11:08 PM
Rumors of Broxton's demise were greatly exaggerated... or utterly fabricated.

Let's not dredge up old threads, but you are correct. The dude can still throw.

George Foster
09-10-2012, 11:08 PM
Rumors of Broxton's demise were greatly exaggerated... or utterly fabricated.

I trust him as much as anybody in the bullpen

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 11:09 PM
Lefty brought in during the 9th inning to try and get Bruce out. We've seen this movie before.
Oh the movie never ends, it goes on and on and on and on.

KittyDuran
09-10-2012, 11:09 PM
Lefty brought in during the 9th inning to try and get Bruce out. We've seen this movie before.

I :luvu: happy endings (innings)!

OesterPoster
09-10-2012, 11:09 PM
A walk to Bruce was elementary.

Kc61
09-10-2012, 11:10 PM
Reds HITTERS finally got the call on that outside pitch. Walk.

Now it gets interesting with Frazier and then Didi. Not sure they can hit for Didi. Who plays short?

Tom Servo
09-10-2012, 11:10 PM
please just don't hit into a you know what Frazier

George Foster
09-10-2012, 11:11 PM
GREEN

LIGHT!!!

PLEASE!!

End this Frazier.

OesterPoster
09-10-2012, 11:13 PM
Man. Frazier needs a day off badly.

RedsMan3203
09-10-2012, 11:13 PM
I :luvu: happy endings (innings)!

:lol::lol:

alloverjr
09-10-2012, 11:14 PM
Kid's lost right now. I'd take Cairo tomorrow if Rolen can't play.