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cumberlandreds
09-14-2012, 03:35 PM
Who would you rather have batting 2nd, Valdez or Stubbs?

First game in the new fish tank at Miami.

1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=phillbr01&year=Career&t=b)
2. Wilson Valdez (R) SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=valdewi01&year=Career&t=b)
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=vottojo01&year=Career&t=b)
4. Ryan Ludwick (R) LF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=ludwiry01&year=Career&t=b)
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=bruceja01&year=Career&t=b)
6. Todd Frazier (R) 3B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=frazito01&year=Career&t=b)
7. Drew Stubbs (R) CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=stubbdr01&year=Career&t=b)
8. Ryan Hanigan (R) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=hanigry01&year=Career&t=b)
9. Bronson Arroyo (R) P (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=arroybr01&year=Career&t=b)

(http://www.baseballpress.com/lineup_team.php?team=MIA)1. Bryan Petersen (L) LF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=peterbr01&year=Career&t=b)
2. Justin Ruggiano (R) CF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=ruggiju01&year=Career&t=b)
3. Jose Reyes (S) SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=reyesjo01&year=Career&t=b)
4. Giancarlo Stanton (R) RF (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=stantmi03&year=Career&t=b)
5. Carlos Lee (R) 1B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=leeca01&year=Career&t=b)
6. Greg Dobbs (L) 3B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=dobbsgr01&year=Career&t=b)
7. Donovan Solano (R) 2B (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=solando01&year=Career&t=b)
8. Rob Brantly (L) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=brantro01&year=Career&t=b)
9. Jacob Turner (R) P (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=turneja01&year=Career&t=b)

Tadasimha
09-14-2012, 03:50 PM
All I know is that I can't wait for tonight to watch some real baseball. The ONLY game on this afternoon is the Pirates at the Cubs - talk about an unpleasant experience!

REDREAD
09-14-2012, 04:23 PM
Who would you rather have batting 2nd, Valdez or Stubbs?


I'd rather have Stubbs at #2, but I'm guessing the Reds are giving Stubbs a chance to prove he's productive at the bottom of the order, since he was struggling at the top.. So in the big picture, I can understand batting Valdez #2.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2012, 05:01 PM
All I know is that I can't wait for tonight to watch some real baseball. The ONLY game on this afternoon is the Pirates at the Cubs - talk about an unpleasant experience!

The Pirates are getting beat 4-0 by the Cubs. Good chance the Pirates will be in 4th place by the end of the day.

Kc61
09-14-2012, 06:30 PM
Valdez has done pretty well over the last few games.

Degenerate39
09-14-2012, 08:14 PM
The fences of this stadium make me feel like I'm going blind. Looks like they colored it in with a green highlighter

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 08:17 PM
Reds go 1-2-3 in the first

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 08:35 PM
Bottom 1st: Miami
- B. Petersen struck out looking
- J. Ruggiano popped out to second
- J. Reyes singled to left center
- G. Stanton struck out swinging

Top 2nd: Cincinnati
- R. Ludwick flied out to center
- J. Bruce flied out to deep center
- T. Frazier doubled to left
- T. Frazier to third on wild pitch
- D. Stubbs grounded out to third


Frazier already looks like the days off helped him, Stubbs still looks lost.


Bottom 2nd: Miami
- Lee struck out looking
- Dobbs flied out to deep center
- Solano flied out to center

Top 3rd: Cincinnati
- Hanigan grounds out to third
- Arroyo strikes out
- BP lines out to third

mbgrayson
09-14-2012, 08:48 PM
Reds third:

Hanigan grounds tyo 3rd.
Arroyo Ks looking.
Phillips lines out to 3rd.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:00 PM
- Brantly singled to deep right center
- Turner struck out swinging
- Petersen singled to center, R. Brantly to second
- Ruggiano doubles, Brantly scores
- Reyes pops up to second
- Stanton walks

George Foster
09-14-2012, 09:01 PM
Not a big crowd in the ole game thread tonight....Arroyo needs an out here.

George Foster
09-14-2012, 09:03 PM
not a bad walk....

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:03 PM
Lee grounds out to short with the bases loaded

1-0 Marlins after 3.

George Foster
09-14-2012, 09:05 PM
that was a perfect example of don't give in..a walk is ok. Pitch to the guy you want to pitch too. Leake could learn from that. Arroyo...the crafty veteran..

Gallen5862
09-14-2012, 09:06 PM
Thanks for the pp and inning summaries.

George Foster
09-14-2012, 09:09 PM
a healthy Votto is standing at second base.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:13 PM
- Valdez grounded out to third
- Votto singled to left
- Ludwick grounds out to pitcher, Votto to second
- Bruce strikes out

George Foster
09-14-2012, 09:14 PM
Bruce swung at ball 4 twice. When he has a full count, he hacks at everything.

klw
09-14-2012, 09:14 PM
Bruce swing 3-0 and 3-1 at balls 4 and 5 (per Gameday) and then k's on pitch 6.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:18 PM
Dobbs with a monster homerun to start the bottom of the 4th

2-0 Marlins

George Foster
09-14-2012, 09:19 PM
Dobbs with a monster homerun to start the bottom of the 4th

2-0 Marlins

Thats in the river at GABP

alloverjr
09-14-2012, 09:21 PM
Lead seems insurmountable with the way the offense has gone of late. Hitters need a jumpstart badly.

nate
09-14-2012, 09:22 PM
Mid-game chat is open!

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:24 PM
Solano flied out to right
Brantly flied out to center
Turner struck out

2-0 Miami after 4

George Foster
09-14-2012, 09:30 PM
that was a HR at GABP...long out in Miami..

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:38 PM
Top 5th: Cincinnati
- Frazier walked
- Stubbs flied out to deep center
- Hanigan popped out right
- Arroyo struck out swinging


Bottom 5th: Miami
- Petersen popped out to shallow center
- Ruggiano singled to center
- Reyes singles off of Arroyo's and BP's gloves, Ruggiano to second
- Stanton pops up to second
- Lee singles to right, Ruggiano scores. Reyes scores when Lee is in the rundown. Lee eventually tagged out, and is hurt.

4-0 Miami after 5.

Kc61
09-14-2012, 09:46 PM
4-0 Marlins.

Not too upset with Arroyo, he was due for a clinker. But if the offense doesn't figure out how to attack this stadium, the Reds will be swept.

George Foster
09-14-2012, 09:47 PM
horrible throw by Bruce in shallow right field...horrible.

Kc61
09-14-2012, 09:49 PM
Isn't that the second time this season Carlos Lee got knocked out of the game against the Reds? Think it happened when he was in Houston.

alloverjr
09-14-2012, 09:49 PM
4-0 Marlins.

Not too upset with Arroyo, he was due for a clinker. But if the offense doesn't figure out how to attack this stadium, the Reds will be swept.

Yea, he should be done for the night. But the Reds couldn't attack GABP on the last homestand. I doubt they get swept, but their offense is anemic the last couple of weeks.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:49 PM
Lee is out, Gil Velasquez in at 3rd and Dobbs goes to 1st.

George Foster
09-14-2012, 09:50 PM
Valdez had even a worse throw from 2nd to Hannigan...cost us 2 runs.

Bruce's throw was a "grounder" from the pitchers mound to home plate. :thumbdown:

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:52 PM
Valdez had even a worse throw from 2nd to Hannigan...cost us 2 runs.

Bruce's throw was a "grounder" from the pitchers mound to home plate. :thumbdown:
I'm not thrilled with this game but dude, we're 11 games up. The blame game isn't really necessary. Let's see if the offense can even put up 2 runs tonight, let alone 4.

Kc61
09-14-2012, 09:52 PM
Valdez had even a worse throw from 2nd to Hannigan...cost us 2 runs.

Bruce's throw was a "grounder" from the pitchers mound to home plate. :thumbdown:

If I'm correct, Valdez' throw came after one run had already scored.

And I'm not sure a perfect throw gets Reyes at the plate.

Official scorer did not give Valdez an error on the throw, apparently concluding Reyes would have scored anyway.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:53 PM
- BP flied out to right center
- Valdez flied out to center
- Votto grounded out to second

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:56 PM
Dobbs leadoff single to start the bottom of 6. Not sure why Arroyo is still in the game, to be honest.

klw
09-14-2012, 09:57 PM
This would be a good point to pull Arroyo and use Cingrani for a few innings. Give Bronson a break.

Kc61
09-14-2012, 09:58 PM
Phils lead Astros 4-1. Mets lead Brewers 4-2. Braves lead Nats 1-0. Cubs beat Pirates.

Ondrusek warming.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 09:58 PM
Solano GIDP

Brantly walks on 4 pitches
Turner strikes out

4-0 Miami after 6

Tadasimha
09-14-2012, 10:01 PM
This team just doesn't seem to play well the first game of a road trip.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2012, 10:09 PM
11 games up with this putrid offense for the last 2 weeks. Amazing to me.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:09 PM
- Ludwick walks
- Bruce flies out to left

Kc61
09-14-2012, 10:09 PM
Bruce now 0 for 16.

LOL, is there a "worst player of the week" award?

alloverjr
09-14-2012, 10:10 PM
Has Bruce gotten a hit since he was named Player of the Week?

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:11 PM
Frazier flies out to center
Stubbs fouls out to first


Turner with just two hits allowed over 7 innings

Kc61
09-14-2012, 10:13 PM
Reds setting the world's pop up record.

alloverjr
09-14-2012, 10:13 PM
Frazier flies out to center
Stubbs fouls out to first


Turner with just two hits allowed over 6 innings

7

WVRedsFan
09-14-2012, 10:14 PM
11 games up with this putrid offense for the last 2 weeks. Amazing to me.

When you're up 2-0 and 3-1, does it make sense to hack away? That's what we saw.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:21 PM
Ondrusek in

- Petersen fouled out to third
- Ruggiano walked
- Reyes grounded into fielder's choice, J. Ruggiano out at second
- Stanton strikes out


4-0 Miami after 7

Kc61
09-14-2012, 10:21 PM
Pretty good inning there for Ondrusek.

Kc61
09-14-2012, 10:23 PM
Phils up 5-1 on Stros, Mets 4-2 on Brewers, Nats and Braves tied at 1.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:24 PM
Heath Bell in for the Marlins. If we can't score runs here...



- Hanigan grounds out to second
- X, pinch hitting for Ondrusek, singles to left

Kc61
09-14-2012, 10:24 PM
Heath Bell in for the Marlins. If we can't score runs here...

Also, Reds to face a hot pitcher in Nolasco on Sunday.

One out here.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2012, 10:28 PM
Paul = hit

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:29 PM
BP = DatDudeDP. Inning over.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2012, 10:30 PM
Just a hot mess. They win. Sometimes it goes that way.

George Foster
09-14-2012, 10:32 PM
I'm not thrilled with this game but dude, we're 11 games up. The blame game isn't really necessary. Let's see if the offense can even put up 2 runs tonight, let alone 4.

Bad baseball is bad baseball. There is never an excuse for calling it in. If we get beat, we get beat, but play hard and execute.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:32 PM
Just a hot mess. They win. Sometimes it goes that way.
Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes he eats you.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:33 PM
Bad baseball is bad baseball. There is never an excuse for calling it in. If we get beat, we get beat, but play hard and execute.
Because Bruce and Valdez obviously weren't trying?

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2012, 10:35 PM
When you're up 2-0 and 3-1, does it make sense to hack away? That's what we saw.

All the onus has been on developing pitchers and defense. They need to invest in a different hitting approach.

Kc61
09-14-2012, 10:35 PM
Bad baseball is bad baseball. There is never an excuse for calling it in. If we get beat, we get beat, but play hard and execute.

I always get concerned when the Reds play in a stadium like this. It's so different from GABP. The Reds' style of hitting just isn't made for this type of stadium.

Sometimes it works out, but watching them pop up three straight times after Ludwick walks to lead off the inning . . . .

WVRedsFan
09-14-2012, 10:36 PM
Have to count on the Dodgers to get that magic number lower.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2012, 10:36 PM
Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes he eats you.

Well...the thing about bears is you never know when they will attack.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2012, 10:36 PM
All the onus has been on developing pitchers and defense. They need to invest in a different hitting approach.

True. Time to work on the offense.

Blitz Dorsey
09-14-2012, 10:36 PM
"I'm so pissed off about this loss tonight" -- Absolutely no one.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:37 PM
Simon in

- Velazquez struck out swinging
- Dobbs grounded out to first
- Solano grounds out to short

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2012, 10:37 PM
I always get concerned when the Reds play in a stadium like this. It's so different from GABP. The Reds' style of hitting just isn't made for this type of stadium.

Sometimes it works out, but watching them pop up three straight times after Ludwick walks to lead off the inning . . . .

Why do they need a full game to figure it out? Just by reading the dimensions and walking out there....I think they can get the idea that trying to hit homer runs is not going to work.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:38 PM
If the Reds don't score in the 9th, it will be the first time since June 28th (and the third overall) that they have been shut out this season.

Blitz Dorsey
09-14-2012, 10:38 PM
This whole "Watching Sports And Not Being Bi-Polar Depending On How The Reds Are Doing" is quite the concept. I should look into it.

(Having your team clinch the divisional title with a month remaining in the season does help.)

Blitz Dorsey
09-14-2012, 10:39 PM
If the Reds don't score in the 9th, it will be the first time since June 28th (and the third overall) that they have been shut out this season.

They suck. All the wins have been a mirage.

George Foster
09-14-2012, 10:40 PM
Because Bruce and Valdez obviously weren't trying?

Trying is ok is little league. This is the big leagues. You are paid to execute. That 10 seconds of baseball cost us 2 runs. There is never an excuse for bad defense. Your offense will come and go because their is a guy throwing 90mph trying to get you out and sometimes he will win. However your defense is all on you. Those throws were not even close.

Other than the solo homerun, Bronson just gave up singles in a big ball park. He was really not hit that hard which is a sign of how he pitched.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:40 PM
Valdez grounds out to second
Votto flies out to center

Blitz Dorsey
09-14-2012, 10:42 PM
I will say one serious thing: If you didn't already appreciate Zack Cozart, you sure as hell do after watching Wilson Valdez pretend to be a starting SS for the last couple weeks.

Although, after watching Paul Janish the last couple years, you should have already been appreciating Cozart.

Kc61
09-14-2012, 10:42 PM
Why do they need a full game to figure it out? Just by reading the dimensions and walking out there....I think they can get the idea that trying to hit homer runs is not going to work.

Votto with a GABP home run.

Unfortunately, they aren't playing at GABP.

Two outs.

George Foster
09-14-2012, 10:42 PM
"I'm so pissed off about this loss tonight" -- Absolutely no one.

I'm not pissed at all. Our offense or the lack there of is a little bit of a concern. I'm glad that it is happening now and not the last week of September.

Kc61
09-14-2012, 10:43 PM
I will say one serious thing: If you didn't already appreciate Zack Cozart, you sure as hell do after watching Wilson Valdez pretend to be a starting SS for the last couple weeks.

Although, after watching Paul Janish the last couple years, you should have already been appreciating Cozart.

Wilson Valdez is a fringe backup.

What's the excuse tonight for the regular players who are in there.

Tom Servo
09-14-2012, 10:44 PM
Ludwick walks
Bruce pops up to third



Miami wins 4-0. We're bad again. Get em tomorrow.

Blitz Dorsey
09-14-2012, 10:45 PM
Wilson Valdez is a fringe backup.

What's the excuse tonight for the regular players who are in there.

I just hope this is all precautionary with Cozart and he'll be ready to roll when the playoffs begin.

Reds lose 4-0.

Kc61
09-14-2012, 10:46 PM
Jay in his pop up mode right now.

Bad game.

George Foster
09-14-2012, 10:47 PM
Just 3 hits and one of those was from Paul the pinch hitter....wow..

George Foster
09-14-2012, 10:48 PM
I just hope this is all precautionary with Cozart and he'll be ready to roll when the playoffs begin.

Reds lose 4-0.

Any word on Cozart? Is there a date of an expected return?

WVRedsFan
09-14-2012, 10:49 PM
Offense has been asleep for a week. No offense at all.

alloverjr
09-14-2012, 10:53 PM
Any word on Cozart? Is there a date of an expected return?

Broadcast mentioned the final homestand. They were speculating I think.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2012, 11:07 PM
Listening to Marty tonight, he pointed out that this team, when they face a pitcher they've never seen, make that pitcher look like Grover Cleveland Alexander or Cy Young. Such was the case tonight. Add that to the fact that you pretty much have to score four runs to have a chance when Arroyo is pitching, and the result is obvious. Go get em tomorrow.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2012, 11:08 PM
Broadcast mentioned the final homestand. They were speculating I think.

Thise things can take up to 2-3 weeks to get better.

Can DiDi not play SS at least? It would be nice if one these call ups could help a little. The Cards seem to bring up anyone and they hit for them.

George Foster
09-14-2012, 11:21 PM
Broadcast mentioned the final homestand. They were speculating I think.

not worried about his defense...I hope that will be enough time for his bat

WVRedsFan
09-15-2012, 02:17 AM
Magic number now 7.