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Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 01:10 PM
Reds Lineup:


1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B

2. Zack Cozart (R) SS

3. Joey Votto (L) 1B

4. Ryan Ludwick (R) LF

5. Jay Bruce (L) RF

6. Todd Frazier (R) 3B

7. Dioner Navarro (S) C

8. Drew Stubbs (R) CF

9. Mike Leake (R) P

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 01:17 PM
http://mlblogsramsey.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/img_23541.jpg

CySeymour
10-10-2012, 01:20 PM
Fraiser I get. But why not play Hannigan?

Puig Your Red
10-10-2012, 01:21 PM
I'm gonna die.

cumberlandreds
10-10-2012, 01:30 PM
I'm pleasantly surprised with Frazier in the lineup. Rather shocked that Navarro is in there. The only thing I know is Dusty must want as many leftys as possible in the lineup or Hanigan and Leake just don't get along with each other. :)

kbrake
10-10-2012, 01:33 PM
I've never been this nervous for a game. This is unreal.

OesterPoster
10-10-2012, 01:34 PM
Dusty said he's treating it like a day-game-after-night-game scenario, thus Frazier and Navarro. Navarro does have higher slugging (2 HRs) this year against LHP than RHP.

Yeah, I'm nervous too. I noticed at the game last night though that I wasn't nearly as nervous being there in person as I am watching on TV.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 01:37 PM
Need your best defense behind Leake. So I'm not a huge fan of this lineup.

Kc61
10-10-2012, 01:41 PM
Need your best defense behind Leake. So I'm not a huge fan of this lineup.

You can criticize the use of Frazier at third base with a ground ball pitcher going, true.

On the other hand, from a power perspective, Frazier and Navarro are more likely to hit a long ball than Rolen or Hanigan right now.

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 01:48 PM
Other guys:

Pagan cf
Scutaro 2b
Sandoval 3b
Posey 1b
Pence rf
Sanchez c
Blanco lf
Crawford ss
Zito lhp

Puig Your Red
10-10-2012, 01:51 PM
Scott Rolen had 10 errors in 87 games this year in the regular season. He has 2 in 3 postseason games. He really doesn't do anything well at this point in his career.

traderumor
10-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Perhaps the little bit of juggling will provide the heroes for the clinching game. I see putting our best offensive lineup out there, except for Stubbs over Heisey. Dusty figuring the need for runs is more important than the couple of ground balls hit to third. When it gets late, you can bring in Rolen and hope he doesn't get in no man's land on a short hop again.

traderumor
10-10-2012, 01:54 PM
Scott Rolen had 10 errors in 87 games this year in the regular season. He has 2 in 3 postseason games. He really doesn't do anything well at this point in his career.Yea, because number of errors is the sole measure of defense.

Puig Your Red
10-10-2012, 01:56 PM
Reds lineup vs. Zito: 31 for 97 (.320)
Giants lineup vs Leake: 28 for 58 (.483)

757690
10-10-2012, 02:23 PM
Scott Rolen had 10 errors in 87 games this year in the regular season. He has 2 in 3 postseason games. He really doesn't do anything well at this point in his career.

Not sure how you define "well", but Rolen was a key contributor to the Reds winning the division this year. Despite a horrendous starting and being injured, he ended up being a league average 3B during the time he played

The Operator
10-10-2012, 02:44 PM
The real crime in all of this is now I can't spend the whole game thread telling you all about my super realistic crush on a movie star who I've totally got a shot with. :laugh:

Sigh...

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 02:57 PM
Reds lineup vs. Zito: 31 for 97 (.320)
Giants lineup vs Leake: 28 for 58 (.483)

So of course it will probably end up being a low scoring game.

redsmetz
10-10-2012, 02:58 PM
Perhaps the little bit of juggling will provide the heroes for the clinching game. I see putting our best offensive lineup out there, except for Stubbs over Heisey. Dusty figuring the need for runs is more important than the couple of ground balls hit to third. When it gets late, you can bring in Rolen and hope he doesn't get in no man's land on a short hop again.

I checked Zito versus our guys and Stubbs has done quite well against Zito. I didn't jot down the entire line, but Stubbs has batted .385 against him in his career. Others? Phillips .421, Bruce .357, Frazier .600. I envision Leake knocking a home run today.

BTW, I'll be in Section 405 again today.

The Operator
10-10-2012, 03:09 PM
BTW, I'll be in Section 405 again today.If you're coming from the north, have fun with traffic. We were backed up starting at Exit 17 all the way until Exit 5 - not because of a wreck, gridlock, or anything that would warrant it. Everybody and their brother is so scared of the lane separation at mile marker 5 that they cut across the middle lane like crazy just to avoid it. A 12 mile backup over something that stupid - it was unreal.

Boss-Hog
10-10-2012, 03:26 PM
If you're coming from the north, have fun with traffic. We were backed up starting at Exit 17 all the way until Exit 5 - not because of a wreck, gridlock, or anything that would warrant it. Everybody and their brother is so scared of the lane separation at mile marker 5 that they cut across the middle lane like crazy just to avoid it. A 12 mile backup over something that stupid - it was unreal.

Is this from 71 or 75?

The Operator
10-10-2012, 03:37 PM
Is this from 71 or 75?I-75

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 03:42 PM
I-75

You should stay home so we can talk about you know who....

The Operator
10-10-2012, 03:51 PM
You should stay home so we can talk about you know who....I'm home for this one, I'm just torn on whether or not to talk about said gorgeous lady or not. It worked well in Game 2, last night not so much. What's a guy to do??

redsmetz
10-10-2012, 03:55 PM
If you're coming from the north, have fun with traffic. We were backed up starting at Exit 17 all the way until Exit 5 - not because of a wreck, gridlock, or anything that would warrant it. Everybody and their brother is so scared of the lane separation at mile marker 5 that they cut across the middle lane like crazy just to avoid it. A 12 mile backup over something that stupid - it was unreal.

I usually get a look at southbound I-75 when I'm at Mitchell & Spring Grove and then take Spring Grove if needed (or go up through Clifton). Thanks for the heads up.

The Operator
10-10-2012, 04:05 PM
You should stay home so we can talk about you know who....I'm taking a risk here, but I'd feel guilty if I didn't share this.

http://img.celebies.com/img/p/6591/DiannaAgron.jpg

mdccclxix
10-10-2012, 04:31 PM
When you google image that girl she looks like whatever she wants to, rarely looks the same.

Hey, she's like a Mike Leake awesome start!

thatcoolguy_22
10-10-2012, 04:33 PM
I would prefer Hannigan starting, but Dioneer has pop. I think Rolen could use the day, just in case there is a game 5 tomorrow, and Frazier is no slouch himself.

My prediction- Reds win 7-6 in walk off fashion off the bat of pinch hitter Miguel Cairo. (sidenote if that happens exactly as called, I deserve this post to be stickied and placed in the archives after everyone has had the opportunity to gawk at my prediction prowess)

The Operator
10-10-2012, 04:35 PM
rarely looks the same....but always looks amazing. :)

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 04:47 PM
This is great baseball guys...

Seeing if the "odd-man out" Leake can step up to the proverbial plate and become a post-season hero. Storylines like that are what makes this a great game...it would be boring if stuff like this didn't pop up from time to time. Can't wait for it to start. :beerme:

Puig Your Red
10-10-2012, 04:51 PM
I'm taking a risk here, but I'd feel guilty if I didn't share this.

http://img.celebies.com/img/p/6591/DiannaAgron.jpg
GOOOOOOOOOOOD LAAAAAAAAAAAAWD. I needed this.

Blitz Dorsey
10-10-2012, 04:53 PM
Anyone have any Xanax I can borrow? Nervous as hell. Ha. It's good nerves though! (I hope.)

HeatherC1212
10-10-2012, 04:54 PM
Dioner has been catching Leake's games lately so him being in the lineup doesn't surprise me too much. Dude has been clutch quite a few times in September too and hopefully they get a nice lead so Mike can relax and just pitch a solid game. Hoping this one ends up being a huge WIN for our guys. GO REDS!!! :D

Blitz Dorsey
10-10-2012, 04:55 PM
I like the changes in the lineup. Nice mixup for Game 4 and you give Hanigan (and Rolen) a day of rest in case there is a Game 5 (I sure hope not).

kbrake
10-10-2012, 04:56 PM
I just wish I were more confident in Leake. Hope Dusty has a very short leash and isn't afraid to go to Simon, LeCure, and Hoover quickly if needed.

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 04:59 PM
Made it home with 10 minutes to spare...

kbrake
10-10-2012, 05:01 PM
It is almost that time. Let's Goooooooooooooo Reds!

OesterPoster
10-10-2012, 05:02 PM
I should have posted on the game thread from the ball park last night, just for luck. I posted in game 1 and game 2's threads though. ;)

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:06 PM
Ready?

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:08 PM
Here we go

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:09 PM
Ugh. Pagan homers to right.

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:09 PM
damn.

CySeymour
10-10-2012, 05:09 PM
Lead off Home Run for SF.

not good

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:09 PM
Here we go

and there they go. :eek:

CySeymour
10-10-2012, 05:10 PM
was it a bomb, or did it just clear?

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:10 PM
Scutaro fly out to right.

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:10 PM
was it a bomb, or did it just clear?

Big fly

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:10 PM
was it a bomb, or did it just clear?

10 rows up or so... Bounced into the stairwell area to get into the Sun Deck.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:10 PM
was it a bomb, or did it just clear?

It was a bomb.

alloverjr
10-10-2012, 05:10 PM
Get somebody up :laugh::laugh::laugh: There's probably a reason this guy didn't make the roster.

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 05:11 PM
jesus christ

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:11 PM
Sandoval doubles off the wall in left.

CySeymour
10-10-2012, 05:11 PM
Hope Lecure isn't getting too comfy down there in the pen

The Operator
10-10-2012, 05:11 PM
This is absolutely inconceivable.

This is why Mike Leake was left off the roster.

Blitz Dorsey
10-10-2012, 05:11 PM
Horrible idea to start Leake. Latos only pitched 4 innings in Game 1. That was the obvious choice.

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:11 PM
This outcome was so easy to predict that I'm shocked it was open for debate.

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:12 PM
So, 3 batters in and ya'll are giving up?

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 05:12 PM
So, 3 batters in and ya'll are giving up?
Yes. :(

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:12 PM
Rather have Leake today and Latos on full rest tomorrow.

alloverjr
10-10-2012, 05:12 PM
So, 3 batters in and ya'll are giving up?

I gave up when Leake was announced ;)

HeatherC1212
10-10-2012, 05:12 PM
Rather have Leake today and Latos on full rest tomorrow.

THIS.

Our guys can hit too. It's still the first inning.

Blitz Dorsey
10-10-2012, 05:12 PM
Can these idiot umpires quit giving time at the last second to Giant batters? We already got one guy hurt that way. Kind of a key guy, too.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:12 PM
Posey flies out to right. Sandoval to 3rd. 2 outs.

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:13 PM
This is absolutely inconceivable.

This is why Mike Leake was left off the roster.

I do not think that word means what you think it means. ;)

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:13 PM
So, 3 batters in and ya'll are giving up?

Leake is a junkballer without the veteran savvy of an Arroyo. He's a good bet to get shelled if he's even a little off his game, and he's facing a lineup full of guys who have killed him for his career.

kbrake
10-10-2012, 05:13 PM
I'm not giving up but this is exactly why I said I just have no confidence in Mike Leake in a spot like this.

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:13 PM
THIS.

Our guys can hit too. It's still the first inning.

The Reds scored a run in the 1st inning and then was shut up for the following 9.

Nothing says that can't happen today...

Blitz Dorsey
10-10-2012, 05:13 PM
That's big to hold them to 1 run there.

thatcoolguy_22
10-10-2012, 05:13 PM
I'm stuck at work for the next 2 hours! Also the internet is filtered so I have no way of getting any video streaming (your tax money at work). This shouldn't be too quiet of a game thread though, right? ;) I NEED UPDATES

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 05:13 PM
Calm down.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:14 PM
Pence strikes out swinging. 1-0 Giants mid 1st.

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:14 PM
Leake bounces back...

Down 1-0 to start...

Our boys are coming up to bat.

The Voice of IH
10-10-2012, 05:14 PM
Welp, got to go get Zito.

OesterPoster
10-10-2012, 05:14 PM
1 run is big, just like it was last night when the Reds only got 1 in the 1st.

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:14 PM
I gave up when Leake was announced ;)

I'd honestly have been happier with LeCure starting, pitching 2, and giving way to Simon & Hoover.

Buckeye33
10-10-2012, 05:14 PM
Even all the pitches to Pence were elevated. That can not continue.

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:14 PM
I'm stuck at work for the next 2 hours! Also the internet is filtered so I have no way of getting any video streaming (your tax money at work). This shouldn't be too quiet of a game thread though, right? ;) I NEED UPDATES

I have a feeling this game thread is on the verge of exploding...

Red Rover
10-10-2012, 05:15 PM
Giants have already matched their hit total from last night.

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:15 PM
I have a feeling this game thread is on the verge of exploding...

...like a suicide bomber!

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:15 PM
SHORT leash for Leake. Have LeCure ready

kbrake
10-10-2012, 05:16 PM
Even all the pitches to Pence were elevated. That can not continue.

Yep, I think Leake got lucky in that AB. Everything is up in the zone.

CySeymour
10-10-2012, 05:16 PM
How many days has it been since he pitched? You knew there had to be some rust involved.

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:16 PM
Why can I watch the live MLB stream on my phone but not on my computer?

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:16 PM
How many days has it been since he pitched? You knew there had to be some rust involved.

12

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 05:17 PM
How many days has it been since he pitched? You knew there had to be some rust involved.

Can it really be considered rust if this is the way he usually pitches?

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:17 PM
Leake is going to give up some hits and runs but he isn't the 2nd coming of Eric Milton ya'll.

757690
10-10-2012, 05:18 PM
Why can I watch the live MLB stream on my phone but not on my computer?

Funny, I can't watch it on phone or computer, but can on my iPad.

kbrake
10-10-2012, 05:19 PM
Reds have to make Zito work for it today.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:19 PM
Relax guys. Leake was probably just BABIP and HR/FB unlucky that first inning.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:19 PM
Phillips flies out to left.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:19 PM
Phillips hits an infield fly to start the Reds first

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 05:19 PM
Relax guys. Leake was probably just BABIP and HR/FB unlucky that first inning.
We can sit at home while the playoffs continue and talk about how it's so unsustainable.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:20 PM
Cozart flies out to right.

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:21 PM
Having a video feed slower than the game thread is horrible.

CySeymour
10-10-2012, 05:21 PM
Does is seem like DatDude is not trying to hit a homerun every atbat?

thatcoolguy_22
10-10-2012, 05:21 PM
Having a video feed slower than the game thread is horrible.

no video is worse

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:21 PM
Votto lines a single to center.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:22 PM
Votto hits a 2 out Votto to extend the inning

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:22 PM
Relax guys. Leake was probably just BABIP and HR/FB unlucky that first inning.

His xFIP and SIERA say that he shouldn't have given up those runs. Someone notify the official scorer so the change can be made. ;)

OesterPoster
10-10-2012, 05:22 PM
Since I'm listening on the radio, I'll just imagine the TBS announcers talking about Votto's lack of power after another base hit.

kbrake
10-10-2012, 05:22 PM
Does is seem like DatDude is not trying to hit a homerun every atbat?

Seemed like everyone was doing that last night for the 9th and 10th and yeah seemed to continue with BP.

Red Rover
10-10-2012, 05:22 PM
no hitter gone, now lets win this thing.

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:23 PM
Ludwick should see something to hit here

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:24 PM
His xFIP and SIERA say that he shouldn't have given up those runs. Someone notify the official scorer so the change can be made. ;)

Meanwhile Zito's metrics say we actually just hit 3 straight HR, so lighten up everyone, we're actually in the lead.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:24 PM
Ludwick walks. 1st and 2nd.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:24 PM
Ludwick should see something to hit here

Zito is throwing a baseball in his direction so you appear to be right.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:25 PM
Cmon Jay. This is a big AB.

757690
10-10-2012, 05:26 PM
Zito has no control over his curveball. Reds need to capitalize on this.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:26 PM
3-0 count

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:26 PM
Zito has no control over his curveball. Reds need to capitalize on this.

Its gotta be somewhere they can swing at the ball... Everything has been crazy high....

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Zito sucks. Reds need to capitalize on this.
Fixed. :)

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Zito looks like he can't feel the release point. Please let us capitalize.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Bruce walks. Bases loaded for Frazier.

OesterPoster
10-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Now it's getting loud.

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Okay, Todd, be patient! No bad hacks!

757690
10-10-2012, 05:27 PM
I love Fraizer, but to be honest, I'd rather have Rolen hitting here.

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:27 PM
9-5 on "weak grounder to short" who's taking?

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Frazier is a hacker...need him to stay disciplined!

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:28 PM
Zito looks like he can't feel the release point. Please let us capitalize.

It's only been like 10 years since he's had it consistently, so it's important that we score quickly this inning.

thatcoolguy_22
10-10-2012, 05:28 PM
Is Dusty going to be proven a mad genius?

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:29 PM
Zito is all over the place right now.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:29 PM
3-1 count

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 05:29 PM
new game

OesterPoster
10-10-2012, 05:29 PM
Jersey!

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Walks Votto in...

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Frazier walks in a run. 1-1.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Navarro up wih the bases loaded.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
new game

Still looks like baseball to me :confused:

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Smart AB

Let the Giants score runs for us!

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Giants pen already up and rolling.

757690
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Frazier's growing up before our eyes :)

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Frazier showing me something there.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Kontos warming up

thatcoolguy_22
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
YES!!!! Anyone in the Giants pen yet? :)

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Giants pen already up and rolling.
Kontos has had the Reds in a fog this series.

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:31 PM
Still looks like baseball to me :confused:

Someone has their "smart aleck" button on today! :laugh:

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:31 PM
I had no idea until the past few days how stressful the playoffs could be

Degenerate39
10-10-2012, 05:31 PM
I'd keep Leake on a very short leash

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:32 PM
Navarro strikes out swinging. 1-1 after 1.

CySeymour
10-10-2012, 05:32 PM
I'd keep Leake on a very short leash

So that's what you like :p

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:32 PM
I'd keep Leake on a very short leash

Possibly about this length:
http://www.thetippingpointsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/short-leash.gif

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:32 PM
Navarro... ugh.

Degenerate39
10-10-2012, 05:32 PM
So that's what you like :p

;)

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:32 PM
I had this waiting to go last AB but it seems only slightly less relevant now

Down goes Frazier, down goes Frazier, down goes Frazier!!! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZEIMQ42-oU)

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:33 PM
I had this waiting to go last AB but it seems only slightly less relevant now

Down goes Frazier, down goes Frazier, down goes Frazier!!! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZEIMQ42-oU)
But still worth posting. *patting you on your back and calling you sport*

thatcoolguy_22
10-10-2012, 05:34 PM
Leake needs an easy inning here. Get some confidence back now that the jitters are gone. I never thought 1 run in the 1st could feel so huge.

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 05:34 PM
15 straight takes per Fay

Jefferson24
10-10-2012, 05:34 PM
time to step up Leake

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:34 PM
15 straight takes per Fay

Sounds like your average professional athlete cameo in a film.

Bumstead
10-10-2012, 05:35 PM
Why is Hannigan not playing? He can't be tired...

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 05:35 PM
Leake needs an easy inning here. Get some confidence back now that the jitters are gone. I never thought 1 run in the 1st could feel so huge.
It generally doesn't happen. When Leake doesn't have it (ie: giving up a leadoff HR and a big double), he just keeps getting pounded.

fearofpopvol1
10-10-2012, 05:35 PM
Why is Hannigan not playing? He can't be tired...

He's only caught Leake twice is the reason given.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:36 PM
Sanchez lines a single that goes off Votto's glove

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:36 PM
Votto got fooled on that hit...

fearofpopvol1
10-10-2012, 05:36 PM
One thing that has impressed me with the Reds this series is how patient they've been at the plate. It's certainly not the hacking team they normally are. I think that's been a big plus for them.

Bumstead
10-10-2012, 05:36 PM
He's only caught Leake twice is the reason given.

who cares? Hanigan needs to be in there...Leake is throwing everything up...not setting up for good results. Hanigan can catch pitches up in the zone...

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Right, it's Navarro's fault that Leake is a mediocre pitcher. That makes sense.

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
sigh.....

Degenerate39
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Get him out now

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
**** this

fearofpopvol1
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Warm up the bullpen.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Blanco homers to right. 3-1 Giants.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Sounds like your average professional athlete cameo in a film.

Unfortunately YouTube does not have a clip of Barry Zito's cameo on TV series JAG to bring this discussion full circle

Jefferson24
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
still got tomorrow

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Please tell me LeCure is warming up

kbrake
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
I've seen enough of Leake.

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
ARGH!

fearofpopvol1
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
I think Blanco had 5 home runs the whole year prior.

Degenerate39
10-10-2012, 05:37 PM
The fans in the left field seats were giving Blanco hell yesterday

CrackerJack
10-10-2012, 05:38 PM
Lookin' like tomorrow right now...

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:38 PM
Also, vintage Mike Leake. Yank him. Go Lecure.

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:38 PM
Furious. Leake is an absolute joke right now.

Bumstead
10-10-2012, 05:38 PM
Right, it's Navarro's fault that Leake is a mediocre pitcher. That makes sense.

No...but Hanigan is a heck of a lot better than Navarro...Navarro should be for emergencies only. He certainly isn't helping Leake keep the ball down, so why not start him?

fearofpopvol1
10-10-2012, 05:38 PM
Dusty doesn't have anyone warming it seems.

kbrake
10-10-2012, 05:38 PM
This game is far from over but Mike Leake's day should be very close to over.

OesterPoster
10-10-2012, 05:39 PM
The fans in the left field seats were giving Blanco hell yesterday

Some of those losers were two rows in front of me. They were drunk, obnoxious a-holes, doing the woo every 10 seconds, and calling Blanco every name in the book. By about the 7th inning, they were burned out and couldn't even stand up.

The Operator
10-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Unreal that we're gonna be looking at a Game 5.

Hoosier Red
10-10-2012, 05:39 PM
No...but Hanigan is a heck of a lot better than Navarro...Navarro should be for emergencies only. He certainly isn't helping Leake keep the ball down, so why not start him?

How exactly does a catcher help a pitcher keep the ball down?

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Crawford grounds out to short.

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Good news... Zito is coming up to bat... :)

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 05:39 PM
The non-play by Votto also came back to haunt.

thatcoolguy_22
10-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Crawford grounds out to short.

well thats a plus

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Unreal that we're gonna be looking at a Game 5.

Asking this team to beat Matt Cain twice in a week is a terrifying prospect to me.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:40 PM
Zito grounds out to short.

fearofpopvol1
10-10-2012, 05:40 PM
The non-play by Votto also came back to haunt.

it did, but 2 jacks in 2 innings is nothing to sneeze at either.

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:40 PM
Furious. Leake is an absolute joke right now.

He's been a joke since the day he was drafted. Low-velocity junkballers rarely have a place in this league. The Reds already have one, the odds of them finding two anomalies was rare in the extreme.

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 05:40 PM
it did, but 2 jacks in 2 innings is nothing to sneeze at either.

No doubt.

Bumstead
10-10-2012, 05:40 PM
How exactly does a catcher help a pitcher keep the ball down?

I assume Leake is comfortable with Navarro...I really don't care, Navarro shouldn't be playing at all.

mdccclxix
10-10-2012, 05:41 PM
Lot's of baseball left to play guys

cincrazy
10-10-2012, 05:41 PM
The game isn't over yet. With Cueto out, the Reds didn't have much of a choice but to use Leake today. Some things are out of our control. Latos on 3 days rest in back to back appearances, we don't know how he'll respond. And who knows how Arroyo would do in a game 5 on 3 days rest against Cain.

dsmith421
10-10-2012, 05:41 PM
Pagan had eight home runs this year. Blanco had five.

Leake is just lobbing garbage up there.

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:41 PM
Zito is pretty junk ball too and he's keeping the ball down especially after his walks. Sigh.

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:41 PM
Asking this team to beat Matt Cain twice in a week is a terrifying prospect to me.

They've done well all season against Cain and Latos has done even better against the Giants. Our chances are really good.

Still a lot of game left to play but can't give up much more or it will get out of hand.

kbrake
10-10-2012, 05:41 PM
Leake isn't a joke. He's a pretty good 5th starter. He's just not talented enough for this spot.

Dom Heffner
10-10-2012, 05:41 PM
Dusty doesn't have anyone warming it seems.

He's a bullben master. Didn't you see the way he ingeniously yanked Chapman last night? Brilliant.

Oh and Scott Rolen has earned the starting job at third base becuase of his terrifc play in 2003.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:41 PM
Pagan walks

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:42 PM
The game isn't over yet. With Cueto out, the Reds didn't have much of a choice but to use Leake today. Some things are out of our control. Latos on 3 days rest in back to back appearances, we don't know how he'll respond. And who knows how Arroyo would do in a game 5 on 3 days rest against Cain.

LeCure 2IP
Hoover / Simon 2IP

Would have produced better results than Mike Leake.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:42 PM
Get Lecure up. The playoffs is not the time to do confidence building exercises for your worst SP.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:42 PM
Cardinals whose deal with Satan must never expire beat the Nationals 8-0

fearofpopvol1
10-10-2012, 05:42 PM
Leake isn't a joke. He's a pretty good 5th starter. He's just not talented enough for this spot.

This is how I feel about him. I think I would've tried to pitch LeCure from the start and made it a bullpen affair.

cincrazy
10-10-2012, 05:43 PM
LeCure 2IP
Hoover / Simon 2IP

Would have produced better results than Mike Leake.

You don't know that to be a fact. It's easy for anyone behind a keyboard to second guess the Reds decisions. Teams deal with adversity in the playoffs. It's not a magic carpet ride of no stress. This board needs to take a collective chill pill.

Dom Heffner
10-10-2012, 05:43 PM
Well with the pitcher's spot coming up, you'd like to get out of this inning at least.

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:43 PM
Leake isn't a joke. He's a pretty good 5th starter. He's just not talented enough for this spot.

Which is why he should never have been put in this spot.

The Reds understood this when they left him off the post-season roster.

The Operator
10-10-2012, 05:43 PM
Latos on 3 days rest in back to back appearances, we don't know how he'll respond.Couldn't have been worse than what we're getting from the shirt thief.

fearofpopvol1
10-10-2012, 05:43 PM
He's a bullben master. Didn't you see the way he ingeniously yanked Chapman last night? Brilliant.

Oh and Scott Rolen has earned the starting job at third base becuase of his terrifc play in 2003.

no doubt

Kc61
10-10-2012, 05:43 PM
Leake isn't a joke. He's a pretty good 5th starter. He's just not talented enough for this spot.

This is correct. Everyone relax. Looks like a home run day at GABP, that works for both teams.

Problem with the playoffs is the other team is good too. Nobody said it would be easy.

Degenerate39
10-10-2012, 05:44 PM
Some of those losers were two rows in front of me. They were drunk, obnoxious a-holes, doing the woo every 10 seconds, and calling Blanco every name in the book. By about the 7th inning, they were burned out and couldn't even stand up.

What section were you in?

fearofpopvol1
10-10-2012, 05:44 PM
i get nervous with every pitch here. leake isn't fooling anyone. giants are hitting the ball hard.

CySeymour
10-10-2012, 05:44 PM
Is now a bad time to bring up that Mike Trout was taken in the same draft as Leake, but like 17 spots later then Leake?

OldXOhio
10-10-2012, 05:44 PM
This is BP

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:44 PM
You don't know that to be a fact. It's easy for anyone behind a keyboard to second guess the Reds decisions. Teams deal with adversity in the playoffs. It's not a magic carpet ride of no stress. This board needs to take a collective chill pill.

Sam LeCure made the postseason roster.

Mike Leake didn't.

That tells me even the Reds understood he wasn't worth pitching in this series.

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 05:44 PM
Nice tag.

Dom Heffner
10-10-2012, 05:44 PM
This is correct. Everyone relax. Looks like a home run day at GABP, that works for both teams.

Problem with the playoffs is the other team is good too. Nobody said it would be easy.

You're probably exactly right, but with the luck in postseason play in that town, you see how people get jittery.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:44 PM
Pagan caught stealing. 3-1 Giants mid 2nd.

OnBaseMachine
10-10-2012, 05:45 PM
Leake is awful. I would have pitched anyone, ANYONE, but him. Unreal that this is headed to game five.

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:45 PM
Navarro shows off the gun - nice!

Dom Heffner
10-10-2012, 05:45 PM
Is now a bad time to bring up that Mike Trout was taken in the same draft as Leake, but like 17 spots later then Leake?


Anybody got a rope? lol...

smith288
10-10-2012, 05:45 PM
Is now a bad time to bring up that Mike Trout was taken in the same draft as Leake, but like 17 spots later then Leake?
Can Trout pitch?

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 05:46 PM
Leake is awful. I would have pitched anyone, ANYONE, but him. Unreal that this is headed to game five.

You may be right. But the Reds are down 2 in the bottom of the second. Enough with "the game is over" junk.

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:46 PM
Leake is awful. I would have pitched anyone, ANYONE, but him. Unreal that this is headed to game five.

Latos v. Cain.

Series has gone from a 2-0 steamroll to a pick-em. Pretty sad.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:46 PM
Is now a bad time to bring up that Mike Trout was taken in the same draft as Leake, but like 17 spots later then Leake?
What was the story with Trout anyway? How did he go so late that year?

Chip R
10-10-2012, 05:47 PM
What was the story with Trout anyway? How did he go so late that year?

I don't know, but it sounds fishy to me.

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:47 PM
Can Trout pitch?

I imagine he can hit 90 no problem.

Mike Leake, on the other hand....

Kc61
10-10-2012, 05:47 PM
You're probably exactly right, but with the luck in postseason play in that town, you see how people get jittery.

Nobody gets more jittery than me. I'm not being critical of folks for getting nervous. It's nerve wracking.

But I have a lot of confidence in Dusty and the team and I think it will work out ok.

Go Reds.

Dom Heffner
10-10-2012, 05:47 PM
You may be right. But the Reds are down 2 in the bottom of the second. Enough with "the game is over" junk.

Or, we could say we're on pace to be down by six by the sixth....I'm not seeing an end to the bleeding, it's not like he's got his A game today.

kbrake
10-10-2012, 05:47 PM
Are you guys really THAT convinced this game is over? I'm not feeling good about this game either but so many of you really ready to call it in the 2nd inning?

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:48 PM
I don't know, but it sounds fishy to me.

Olé!

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:48 PM
Or, we could say we're on pace to be down by six by the sixth....I'm not seeing an end to the bleeding, it's not like he's got his A game today.

And, to be fair, Mike Leake's "A game" is C level pitching.

Kc61
10-10-2012, 05:48 PM
Are you guys really THAT convinced this game is over? I'm not feeling good about this game either but so many of you really ready to call it in the 2nd inning?

Nothing is over, not even close.

Bumstead
10-10-2012, 05:48 PM
Not ready to call it, but you can't let Leake keep getting lit up by non-power hitters...

Dom Heffner
10-10-2012, 05:49 PM
Nobody gets more jittery than me. I'm not being critical of folks for getting nervous. It's nerve wracking.

But I have a lot of confidence in Dusty and the team and I think it will work out ok.

Go Reds.

I think Dusty wins in spite of himself sometimes. I'm a fan, but last night Aroldis Chapman should have faced Buster posey, and it's hings like that that get me down on him. And Rolen lost his job in May. Yet there he was, healthy as a tomcat.....

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:49 PM
Stubbs strikes out on 3 pitches. Looks like Zito located the strike zone.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:49 PM
Drew swings and misses and Stubbs out to begin the second

CySeymour
10-10-2012, 05:49 PM
What was the story with Trout anyway? How did he go so late that year?

He played high school ball in the North East and scouts didn't get to see a lot of him because it was a pretty rainy year.

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2012, 05:50 PM
Are you guys really THAT convinced this game is over? I'm not feeling good about this game either but so many of you really ready to call it in the 2nd inning?

Here's what's going to happen -- the deeper the game goes, the more the pressure is going to build on the Reds. They're human, they can sense they're choking this whole thing away. They know Latos hasn't been feeling well, and they know Matt Cain is one of the best pitchers in baseball. They don't want this to go to a Game 5, where the chokejob can be complete and they'll be eliminated.

So they'll start to press.

And that plays right into the hands of a guy like Barry Zito, who is happy to spin up awful pitch after awful pitch.

And before you know it, the game is over and they've been shut out over the remainder of the game.

durl
10-10-2012, 05:50 PM
I'm just hoping that losing last night hasn't put the Reds into a funk. When your starter gives you a 1-hitter, you should take advantage of it.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:50 PM
He played high school ball in the North East and scouts didn't get to see a lot of him because it was a pretty rainy year.

Yikes

Dom Heffner
10-10-2012, 05:50 PM
And, to be fair, Mike Leake's "A game" is C level pitching.

I could not agree more.

Tadasimha
10-10-2012, 05:50 PM
Or, we could say we're on pace to be down by six by the sixth....I'm not seeing an end to the bleeding, it's not like he's got his A game today.

Then quit watching and come back tomorrow if you're so certain. :rolleyes:

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:51 PM
Leake strikes out swinging. 3 straight Ks.

RedsMan3203
10-10-2012, 05:51 PM
Here's what's going to happen -- the deeper the game goes, the more the pressure is going to build on the Reds. They're human, they can sense they're choking this whole thing away. They know Latos hasn't been feeling well, and they know Matt Cain is one of the best pitchers in baseball. They don't want this to go to a Game 5, where the chokejob can be complete and they'll be eliminated.

So they'll start to press.

And that plays right into the hands of a guy like Barry Zito, who is happy to spin up awful pitch after awful pitch.

And before you know it, the game is over and they've been shut out.

Impossible to get shut out... The Reds already scored a run. :)

Dom Heffner
10-10-2012, 05:51 PM
Here's what's going to happen -- the deeper the game goes, the more the pressure is going to build on the Reds. They're human, they can sense they're choking this whole thing away. They know Latos hasn't been feeling well, and they know Matt Cain is one of the best pitchers in baseball. They don't want this to go to a Game 5, where the chokejob can be complete and they'll be eliminated.

So they'll start to press.

And that plays right into the hands of a guy like Barry Zito, who is happy to spin up awful pitch after awful pitch.

And before you know it, the game is over and they've been shut out.

And here's the thing: Zito is a guy who is not very good, and the Reds just make guys like him look like Bob Gibson circa 1965.

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:51 PM
Need BP to go deep here as he is oft to do against LHP

Kc61
10-10-2012, 05:51 PM
I think Dusty wins in spite of himself sometimes. I'm a fan, but last night Aroldis Chapman should have faced Buster posey, and it's hings like that that get me down on him. And Rolen lost his job in May. Yet there he was, healthy as a tomcat.....

If Dusty wins in spite of himself, then presumably a GOOD manager would have won 105 games this season.

He's brought the team a long way, and they are still playing ball on October 10. Cut the guy some slack.

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 05:51 PM
Then quit watching and come back tomorrow if you're so certain. :rolleyes:

I was going to suggest starting a Game 5 thread.

GAC
10-10-2012, 05:52 PM
Which is why he should never have been put in this spot.

The Reds understood this when they left him off the post-season roster.

Yep. Should have started Latos. I don't understand this logic (and I like Leake... just not in this spot)

kbrake
10-10-2012, 05:52 PM
Here's what's going to happen -- the deeper the game goes, the more the pressure is going to build on the Reds. They're human, they can sense they're choking this whole thing away. They know Latos hasn't been feeling well, and they know Matt Cain is one of the best pitchers in baseball. They don't want this to go to a Game 5, where the chokejob can be complete and they'll be eliminated.

So they'll start to press.

And that plays right into the hands of a guy like Barry Zito, who is happy to spin up awful pitch after awful pitch.

And before you know it, the game is over and they've been shut out over the remainder of the game.


This isn't a mid 2000's Reds team. I don't think there is a single guy in this lineup that is afraid to face Matt Cain at this point. And I don't think there is a single guy that is thinking this game is already over.

Dom Heffner
10-10-2012, 05:52 PM
If Dusty wins in spite of himself, then presumably a GOOD manager would have won 105 games this season.

He's brought the team a long way, and they are still playing ball on October 10. Cut the guy some slack.

They won a great number of those games with Todd Frazier at third base.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2012, 05:53 PM
Phillips singles.

Degenerate39
10-10-2012, 05:53 PM
I'll take it

Wonderful Monds
10-10-2012, 05:53 PM
Also I hate to remind everyone of this, even if we chase Zito, the Giants have a multiple Cy Young winner in the pen.