Free Agency Has Officially Begun

[50YrRedsFan]

So do we go after any free agents? We NEED offensive help and a couple more bullpen arms. I am not comfortable with Arredondo, and you don't know what Bray or Masset will do.

[HometownHero]

Still have 6 more days before FA can sign with new teams.

[dMaus14]

NO FA! I would like to trade for either Gerrardo Parra or Justin Upton. I stand by this statement when I say if it takes Billy Hamilton to get Justin Upton then we give up Billy Hamilton. I think we can add to the package and possibly bring back a pitching prospect as well I like the depth in our position prospects. I would look at giving up Masset or Bray to LAA for Bourjos. They need RP and we need a cheap leadoff type OF.

[tedies]

NO FA! I would like to trade for either Gerrardo Parra or Justin Upton. I stand by this statement when I say if it takes Billy Hamilton to get Justin Upton then we give up Billy Hamilton. I think we can add to the package and possibly bring back a pitching prospect as well I like the depth in our position prospects. I would look at giving up Masset or Bray to LAA for Bourjos. They need RP and we need a cheap leadoff type OF.
Upton is extremely overrated and has the same problem as everyone else on our team, not clutch at all

[dubc47834]

NO FA! I would like to trade for either Gerrardo Parra or Justin Upton. I stand by this statement when I say if it takes Billy Hamilton to get Justin Upton then we give up Billy Hamilton. I think we can add to the package and possibly bring back a pitching prospect as well I like the depth in our position prospects. I would look at giving up Masset or Bray to LAA for Bourjos. They need RP and we need a cheap leadoff type OF.

You do not trade 1 of your best prospects for basically Drew Stubbs!!! Thats who Upton reminds me of, but with more power and little less speed.

[dMaus14]

Really? Higher priced Drew Stubbs?There were two Reds hitters with a better average and two Reds hitters with a better OBP. He was top 5 MVP voting in 2011. He's young and controlled for 3 more years.

[storer50]

I pick up Angel Pagan asap

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[MoneyInTheBank]

I wouldn't trade Hamilton for Justin Upton but comparing Upton to Stubbs is a bit much. His BA was nearly 70 points higher, OBP was nearly 80 points higher, his OPS 175 points higher, walked more, struck out less.

In fact, you could argue Stubbs was the worst hitter in baseball that got enough ABs to qualify for the batting title

[JayBruceFan]

It might sound crazy and I know we have Hanigan and Mesoraco but I wouldn't mind seeing AJ Pierzynski in a Reds uniform next year.

Anybody else with me?

[Spider Tre]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/2013-mlb-free-agents.html

wouldn't mind having Michael Bourn
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bournmi01.shtml

expensive (compare $527K to nearly $7M) and older (30 in December) but an upgrade over Stubbs

[The_Mudshark]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/2013-mlb-free-agents.html

wouldn't mind having Michael Bourn
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bournmi01.shtml

expensive (compare $527K to nearly $7M) and older (30 in December) but an upgrade over Stubbs

I agree on Bourn.

TONS of good SP out there in 2013. I know the Reds have bigger needs this off season, but damn... Look at the potential free agent SP's out there and hypothetically insert them as you wish into our existing rotation without Leake. You can make some nasty rotations.... My favorite is Cueto, Latos, Dickey, Bailey, Arroyo - Shut up, I can dream....

[texasdave]

I think the Reds starting day lineup will be the same lineup that ended the 2012 season, replacing Rolen with Frazier.

Phillips
Cozart
Votto
Ludwick
Bruce
Frazier
Hanigan
Stubbs (Unfortunately, the 8-hole defines my game)
Cueto

[foxfire123]

FoxSports is predicting Bourn to Cincinnati.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/lists/top-2013-free-agents-josh-hamilton-zack-greinke-110112#tab=photo-title=Michael+Bourn&photo=31401039

And Hamilton to Atlanta.

[RedsBrick]

I pick up Angel Pagan asap

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Would probably be a good pick up, but I can't stand that guy!

[RedsBrick]

I think the Reds starting day lineup will be the same lineup that ended the 2012 season, replacing Rolen with Frazier.

Phillips
Cozart
Votto
Ludwick
Bruce
Frazier
Hanigan
Stubbs (Unfortunately, the 8-hole defines my game)
Cueto

Gotta get Phillips out of the 1 in my opinion. He's shown he can do it but I think he's better suited elsewhere. Not saying it will happen, I just think it should.

[MoneyInTheBank]

FoxSports is predicting Bourn to Cincinnati.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/lists/top-2013-free-agents-josh-hamilton-zack-greinke-110112#tab=photo-title=Michael+Bourn&photo=31401039

And Hamilton to Atlanta.

You are just the messenger, so don't take this the wrong way but I don't see how the Reds could sign Bourn. The early projections are in the range of a 5 year deal worth $80M. With all the arbitration raises, that would push the payroll well above the $100M mark. Unless they are sitting on a goldmine that we don't know about, I don't see how that's possible. I guess if he's still sitting around in Jan/Feb, I could see them fitting him in on a 1 year, $10M contract.

[scott91575]

You are just the messenger, so don't take this the wrong way but I don't see how the Reds could sign Bourn. The early projections are in the range of a 5 year deal worth $80M. With all the arbitration raises, that would push the payroll well above the $100M mark. Unless they are sitting on a goldmine that we don't know about, I don't see how that's possible. I guess if he's still sitting around in Jan/Feb, I could see them fitting him in on a 1 year, $10M contract.

There is no way he is sitting around and willing to take that type of contract. I am sure there are teams that have no idea of his value, but most know he is one of the better centerfielders in the game. I would kill to see him with the Reds, but I don't think the money will be there. Hope I am wrong.

[Salukifan2]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1285588-cincinnati-reds-club-payroll-due-to-skyrocket-in-2013

after reading this i don't see how the reds can go after any free agents unless they find a way to shed some payroll through trades. Michael Bourn especially appears to be out of the reds price range.

[MoneyInTheBank]

There is no way he is sitting around and willing to take that type of contract. I am sure there are teams that have no idea of his value, but most know he is one of the better centerfielders in the game. I would kill to see him with the Reds, but I don't think the money will be there. Hope I am wrong.

Nobody thought Madson would be sitting around that long either. I'm just saying, if he is unable to land a gig and all of the other CF holes seem to be filled (I agree, this is unlikely), I think the Reds could find it in the budget to give him a contract like Madson got.

[foxfire123]

You are just the messenger, so don't take this the wrong way but I don't see how the Reds could sign Bourn. The early projections are in the range of a 5 year deal worth $80M. With all the arbitration raises, that would push the payroll well above the $100M mark. Unless they are sitting on a goldmine that we don't know about, I don't see how that's possible. I guess if he's still sitting around in Jan/Feb, I could see them fitting him in on a 1 year, $10M contract.

No offense. :) I believe about 10% of what Fox Sports predicts. :lol: It would be nice, but I'm more inclined to got for a bit of a lesser utility type player, and see how Billy Hamilton does if they invite him to ST.

But... Castellini HAS said in the past the money is there for the right players..... ;)

[MoneyInTheBank]

No offense. :) I believe about 10% of what Fox Sports predicts. :lol: It would be nice, but I'm more inclined to got for a bit of a lesser utility type player, and see how Billy Hamilton does if they invite him to ST.

But... Castellini HAS said in the past the money is there for the right players..... ;)

I'm with you there. If we do get him, I won't be complaining

[dMaus14]

What about a back up infielder of Brandon Inge?

[DocRed]

I don't care who plays CF as long as it isn't Mendoza Line Stubbs..

[MoneyInTheBank]

What about a back up infielder of Brandon Inge?

The way he has hit the last couple years, I'd rather give Henry Rodriguez a shot at backing up 2nd and 3rd

[evolveath]

Thoughts on Delmon Young for LF if we dont resign Ludwick? He's not even on MLBTR's top 50 free agents this offseason and might be affordable. I know theres always been character issues with him but hes still just 27.

[dMaus14]

Did you see him in LF during the WS? No thanks

[scott91575]

Nobody thought Madson would be sitting around that long either. I'm just saying, if he is unable to land a gig and all of the other CF holes seem to be filled (I agree, this is unlikely), I think the Reds could find it in the budget to give him a contract like Madson got.

HUUUUUGE difference between a closer who only closed for 1 year and a guy who has been one of the better centerfielders in baseball for the last 4 years.

[MoneyInTheBank]

HUUUUUGE difference between a closer who only closed for 1 year and a guy who has been one of the better centerfielders in baseball for the last 4 years.

Again, I have repeatedly said this is unlikely. However, he's a Scott Boras client (like Edwin Jackson, Ryan Madson, Adrian Beltre, etc.) and Boras advises guys who can't get the contract they want to sign a 1 year contract and try again the next season. Again, unlikely, but I think it would be a bit short sighted to dismiss it completely