Lynn an All Star

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Originally Posted by 757690

The article misses the entire point of the controversy.

LaRussa could have picked Cueto, then replaced him on the roster with another pitcher because Cueto is pitching on Sunday. The same players get to go to the All-Star game, Cueto gets named, but doesn't have to pitch or take up a roster spot.

So not only is wrong is using Cueto's starting in Sunday as an excuse for not picking him, but Cueto's starting on Sunday actually give LaRussa a reason to name him and still pick everyone else he wanted.

LaRussa just proves again what an classless idiot he is.

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Bingo

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Originally Posted by MikeThierry

But he didn't pick Cueto. It's his choice. Simple as that. Until MLB doesn't grant managers the power to choose players, people have to live with what the manager chooses.

No matter how any of you want to spin it, it is petty what Cueto's agent is doing. It's making your players look like exactly what Brandon Phillips accused the Cards of being. I can't think of any instance in the history of the AS game where a player's agent files an injunction on behalf of the player for not being selected to the AS game. It's ludicrous.

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Again, completely missing the point.

Of course it's LaRussa's choice, that he didn't choose Cueto isn't what people are complaining about. It's why he didn't pick Cueto. His excuse is beyond stupid.

LaRussa said Cueto would have probably made the team, had he not been pitching on Sunday. However, if LaRussa really thought Cueto deserved to go, he can't use the fact he was pitching on Sunday as a reason not to pick him. In fact, because Cueto is starting in Sunday, it gives LaRussa an opportunity to pick him, and then replace him on the roster with someone else.

As for the grievance, money is at stake here, and any and every agent would have and should have filed a grievance. That's their job.

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Originally Posted by MikeThierry

But he didn't pick Cueto. It's his choice. Simple as that. Until MLB doesn't grant managers the power to choose players, people have to live with what the manager chooses.

No matter how any of you want to spin it, it is petty what Cueto's agent is doing. It's making your players look like exactly what Brandon Phillips accused the Cards of being. I can't think of any instance in the history of the AS game where a player's agent files an injunction on behalf of the player for not being selected to the AS game. It's ludicrous.

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Well it's probably a good thing Lynn got picked, because with the regression coming his way- the last three starts have been *awesome*- he isn't likely to see many more chances.

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Originally Posted by 757690

Again, completely missing the point.

Of course it's LaRussa's choice, that he didn't choose Cueto isn't what people are complaining about. It's why he didn't pick Cueto. His excuse is beyond stupid.

LaRussa said Cueto would have probably made the team, had he not been pitching on Sunday. However, if LaRussa really thought Cueto deserved to go, he can't use the fact he was pitching on Sunday as a reason not to pick him. In fact, because Cueto is starting in Sunday, it gives LaRussa an opportunity to pick him, and then replace him on the roster with someone else.

As for the grievance, money is at stake here, and any and every agent would have and should have filed a grievance. That's their job.

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Let's look at the rule again:

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(ii) Sunday Pitcher Rule. Any starting pitcher elected or selected to the All-Star team who makes a start on the Sunday immediately preceding the All-Star Game (“Sunday Pitcher”) shall have the option to participate or not participate in the All-Star Game. If such starting pitcher elects to participate in the All-Star Game, he will not be permitted to pitch for more than one inning, and he may also inform his manager that he should be removed from the game if he reaches a certain pitch count (irrespective of whether he has completed one inning), provided such pitch count is reasonable. If a Sunday Pitcher who was originally named to the team elects not to participate in the All-Star Game, he will be replaced on the roster but treated in the same manner as other All-Stars who are excused from participation, and he will be encouraged to attend and be announced at the All-Star Game.

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By the rules in place, Cueto can choose to be in the game but only be available to pitch for an inning. There is no doubt in my mind that Cueto would select to play in the game. Even if he chooses not to, TLR has to to leave the door open to the chance that he does choose to be in the game. To me, it's a waste of a roster spot to have a starter available for only 1 inning esp. since LaRussa needs pitchers for extra inning in case that happens. Knowing how TLR's mind works after seeing him all these years here in St. Louis, I have a feeling this is more in play than any "payback" Reds fans might thing there is.

Again, you can keep spinning this all you want but it does make Cueto look bad and almost babyish.

If either Cueto or Phillips had made it, there's no issue from most Reds fans who are making comments now. LaRussa doesn't care, but he should be aware of that fact.

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Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Let's look at the rule again:



By the rules in place, Cueto can choose to be in the game but only be available to pitch for an inning. There is no doubt in my mind that Cueto would select to play in the game. Even if he chooses not to, TLR has to to leave the door open to the chance that he does choose to be in the game. To me, it's a waste of a roster spot to have a starter available for only 1 inning esp. since LaRussa needs pitchers for extra inning in case that happens. Knowing how TLR's mind works after seeing him all these years here in St. Louis, I have a feeling this is more in play than any "payback" Reds fans might thing there is.

Again, you can keep spinning this all you want but it does make Cueto look bad and almost babyish.

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1) Absolutley no way Cueto would agree to pitch. The Reds wouldn't let him, even if he wanted to.

2) All LaRussa had to was call Cueto and explain the situation, and ask him what he wanted to do. There is no reason for secrecy here, no reason to have to take any risks.

It will all be better when Cueto has a World Series ring on his finger and puts it next to his Cy Young award at night. Hopefully that will be very soon. :)

Having read through this entire thread...I have come to the conclusion that TLR has managed to kill two birds with one stone, or should I say two Reds? By acknowledging the fact that he's leaving Cueto off because he's pitching the Sunday prior, be it truth or not, he is taking direct aim at Dusty Baker and his consideration of the AS game and the rotation going in...in other words...calling into question his mangerial preparedness.
The second Red to go down by the same stone is Cueto, who I'm sure TLR has lost no love for. The way I see it, Baker was as much a target of TLR as was Cueto. That's just my take on the situation.
I have every confidence that this thread will continue to be more entertaining than the game itself.
Cueto's comments about TLR must have come out of Sean Avery's playbook. Hard to feel for a guy that makes these kind of comments. Robbed or not, very poor taste on his part.

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Originally Posted by muddie

Cueto's comments about TLR must have come out of Sean Avery's playbook. Hard to feel for a guy that makes these kind of comments. Robbed or not, very poor taste on his part.

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True dat... high roads are often empty in today's world... but less stuff sticks to your feet whilst traveling them.

I wonder if the grievance was files because Cueto's agent wants a cut of his all star bonus?

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Originally Posted by 757690

1) Absolutley no way Cueto would agree to pitch. The Reds wouldn't let him, even if he wanted to.

2) All LaRussa had to was call Cueto and explain the situation, and ask him what he wanted to do. There is no reason for secrecy here, no reason to have to take any risks.

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Well there is always the possibility he would have agreed to pitch. That's the thing I have learned about TLR all these years. He takes into account every single detail and applies it to his game plan. This guy thinks two moves down the road. You don't have to look further to "Raingate" two years ago to know this.

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Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Well there is always the possibility he would have agreed to pitch. That's the thing I have learned about TLR all these years. He takes into account every single detail and applies it to his game plan. This guy thinks two moves down the road. You don't have to look further to "Raingate" two years ago to know this.

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There is no reason to think two moves ahead. There is no game to be won in picking players for a meaningless exhibition game. All the matters is making sure the right guys get picked.

There is no possibility, zero, none, nada, that LaRussa picks Cueto and Cueto decides to pitch, because before picking him, all TRL has to is call Cueto and ask him. If LaRussa is so smart, then why didnt he think of that? That would be thinking two moves ahead.

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Originally Posted by 919191

I wonder if the grievance was files because Cueto's agent wants a cut of his all star bonus?

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You don't think Cueto wants his cut of $25,000?

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Originally Posted by 757690

There is no reason to think two moves ahead. There is no game to be won in picking players for a meaningless exhibition game. All the matters is making sure the right guys get picked.

There is no possibility, zero, none, nada, that LaRussa picks Cueto and Cueto decides to pitch, because before picking him, all TRL has to is call Cueto and ask him. If LaRussa is so smart, then why didnt he think of that? That would be thinking two moves ahead.

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Since when did this game become a meaningless exhibition game when now home field advantage is decided by who wins this game? I can say with almost certainty that if the Cardinals didn't have home field advantage last year, I don't think they would have won. Home field advantage in the WS is huge.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/braves-...3373--mlb.html

This was just announced that Chipper Jones was added to the roster in place of Kemp.