Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
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Falls City Beer
Beats shelling out 120 million to a guy in his 30s with leg problems. The Reds have to take risks like this in the starting pitching realm. It's about their only in. For the Reds ever to be relevant again they have to take big time risks with young starters/drafts.
Absolutely. This, and drafting people like Bailey and Bruce, is the way you get top-tier talent in Cinti.
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
Now for a little more fun.
Compare this move to the Eric Milton for almost nine million per year deal.
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
Even with this signing I would like to see the Reds draft 5 hard throwing pitchers in the first 5 rounds in this years draft, Pete Rose once said, even if you think you have enough pitching go out amd sign 5 more pitchers
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
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Falls City Beer
For the Reds ever to be relevant again they have to take big time risks with young starters/drafts.
paging Tim Lincecum.
I don't mind this signing as long as everyone realizes he could be a huge bust, he could also be a huge prize. If his stuff is as good as it looked in the World Baseball stuff I would love to see him start the season on the major league team but they need to limit his innings.
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
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icehole3
Even with this signing I would like to see the Reds draft 5 hard throwing pitchers in the first 5 rounds in this years draft, Pete Rose once said, even if you think you have enough pitching go out at sign 5 more pitchers
Pete Rose also bet on baseball. What he has to say means very little. I would also avoid taking a pitcher 5 rounds in a row to start the draft. Odds are very unlikely that those are the 5 best choices.
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
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flyer85
paging Tim Lincecum.
I don't mind this signing as long as everyone realizes he could be a huge bust, he could also be a huge prize. If his stuff is as good as it looked in the World Baseball stuff I would love to see him start the season on the major league team but they need to limit his innings.
He could be Sandy Koufax!!
Or he could be Jay Hook.
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
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OnBaseMachine
Update on Chapman
Posted by jfay January 10th, 2010, 4:27 pm
What’s gotten into the Reds? The other day Jocketty told me that the club had talked to Jerry Hairston Jr.’s agent. But a deal was unlikely because Hairston had priced himself out of the club range.
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/
Why in the world would Jocketty (or any other GM) divulge exactly how much money they have to spend to Fay or any other member of the media? Do they expect Dusty to announce before the game what sequence of pitches the starting pitcher will use that night? Or when they will bunt? Or when they will attempt a hit and run? I think Walt is wise to not telegraph the Reds plans. They have enough money to sign quality -- Hairston isn't worth $3 million a year -- Chapman is. And notice that they didn't announce the Rolen extension until after it happened. While it may be frustrating to be a Reds fan at times, I for one, am glad they aren't announcing all future salary plans to the world and making people (and the rest of the league) guess.
By the way, I like this teams future, both short and long term.
Re: Jeff Passan of Yahoo: Reds to sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman?
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flyer85
can't see how, there is no evidence he is up to a major league starter workload. If they are paying him that much I would like to see him in the major league bullpen and build up his stamina there. Just don't overwork him and get him him hurt
How many innings can we realistically expect out of him this year? 120 IP? 150?
One thing that is apparent to me is that the Reds have recognized foreign signings as a way to stockpile talent and have allocated resources to that end. I dare say they are way ahead of MLB curve in that respect. When was the last time the Reds have been ahead of any curve? Not every signing will pay off, but it's much easier to stomach the signing of a 22 year-old flamethrower for half the money of a 32 year-old journeyman even if it doesn't materialize.
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
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OnBaseMachine
Update on Chapman
Posted by jfay January 10th, 2010, 4:27 pm
I still haven’t heard back from Walt Jocketty.
But an announcement about the Reds signing Cuban left-hander Aroldis Chapman could come as soon as today.
A source high in the organization said the deal is close to being signed and could be as long as 10 years. Yahoo.com is reporting it’s for five years and $30 million.
What’s gotten into the Reds? The other day Jocketty told me that the club had talked to Jerry Hairston Jr.’s agent. But a deal was unlikely because Hairston had priced himself out of the club range.
I can’t imagine Hairston asking for more than $3 million. How could the Reds give 10 times that much to a prospect?
The money Chapman gets will be spread over a long period of time. Bronson Arroyo and Aaron Harang are in the last years of their contract. That opens up $23.5 million in 20111. The club also has show a willingness to spend on young Latin American talent in recent years. Yorman Rodriguez and Juan Duran signed in 2008 for $2.5 and $2 million, respectively, in 2008.
This is a great deal more money. But Chapman, who throws close to 100, is a lot closer to the big leagues. A rotation with Edinson Volquez, Johnny Cueto, Homer Bailey and Chapman could return the franchise to its successful past.
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/
Fay obviously needs to work on his relationship with Jocketty. Maybe Walt doesn't like dealing with idiots, one who is trying to compare not signing JHJ with money out of the draft and development budget.
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
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flyer85
paging Tim Lincecum.
I don't mind this signing as long as everyone realizes he could be a huge bust, he could also be a huge prize. If his stuff is as good as it looked in the World Baseball stuff I would love to see him start the season on the major league team but they need to limit his innings.
I fully recognize the risk, but I believe it is a reasonable risk and the kind a team like the Reds needs to take to compete. I will not criticize this move, even if it turns out for the worst. I said that about the Griffey acquisition too and never complained about it despite the end result.
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
Re: Jeff Passan of Yahoo: Reds to sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman?
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Falls City Beer
That's the Jocketty I know and love: pitching, pitching, pitching.
Guess we now know what he was doing on "Vacation":beerme:
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
From Mark Sheldon's twitter:
Details not finalized yet on Chapman. Reds sources indicate 5 years at $25 million w/ sixth yr option. Deal could be announced tonight.
http://twitter.com/m_sheldon
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
Awesome news. It will be interesting to see where they start him this season. I don't know how the Reds' young pitchers are going to turn out, but there is certainly the potential for a killer rotation a few years down the road. There's also the potential they could all flame out, but at least we have something reasonable to hope for and look forward to.
Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $30 million cont
Update from Fay:
#Reds, Chapman deal is done, pending physical. 6 years guaranteed with the payout stretched over a longer period. Announcement tomorrow.
http://twitter.com/johnfayman
Awesome!
