I just think it's the closest major league park to Gray's home. Where he's from, he was probably a Cardinal fan growing up.
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I just think it's the closest major league park to Gray's home. Where he's from, he was probably a Cardinal fan growing up.
I'd like that as a depth move. It'd bolster the OF for sure (and probably allow the Reds to trade one of Fraley, Benson, India, or Steer). It'd also protect Friedl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old school 1983
DJ is probably the only reason a pitcher would consider about coming here , because we're pretty sure the front office isn't ready to give a slobber knocker contract to attract them.
Krall has his work cut out for him.
When he was kid he thought Tom Lampkin once looked at him at a gameQuote:
Originally Posted by mth123
And of course, who wouldn't want to play in front of the smartest baseball fans in the country every day?Quote:
Originally Posted by westofyou
Self Esteem generated by the Cardinals is the major export of the St Louis metro areaQuote:
Originally Posted by SunDeck
I feel like Bieber is trending in the wrong direction and is more a MOR guy moving forward. I'm not totally out on him but I don't think he's getting back to 2019-2020 level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne Krivsky
One more year of development of young pitching is not going to cancel the need for established starters. How many years have Hunter Greene and Nick Lodolo been establishing themselves? Usually, it isn’t something that happens without years of development, including in the big leagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by JCM11
There is a single reason why Reds may be focused on one year pitching. Lower cost, avoidance of LTC dollar risk. Period.
It would be the latest manifestation of the Reds’ unwillingness to “play in the big leagues” of acquisitions. Taken as a long term strategy, one year trades will result in the departure of lots of prospects for guys who may be gone after four months (trade deadline).
To me, it’s a terrible idea, a bad approach to joining the circle of excellent ballclubs in the big leagues.
I think he can provide innings similarly to Bronson Arroyo when the Reds acquired him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Servo
Is that a TOR guy?
I would add that a one-year pickup could be sensible if it were one of several pitching pickups. The Cards added Gibson and Lynn for one year at $12 and 10 million respectively. But then they added Gray for 3X25.
The Reds are obviously not going to do that, this is likely one big move. If it’s for one year, it tells me something about the nature of the Reds’ commitment.
Yep, last summer, the Cards were in transistion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc61
They still have work to do.
They could have just put 3 garbage starters in the rotation and/or rushed up kids that weren't ready.. that's what the Reds have done in the past.
Gibson and Lynn are likely to be better than the dumpster dives (ie Weaver , Mike Minor). Does that mean they are great? No, but likely better than garbage.
Gray said that those two signings enticed him to sign as well.
It's actually pretty impressive they plugged 3 holes in the rotation before December, they are on an upward path.
I'm loving hearing that the Reds are very active, I just hope it doesn't become reckless. If Krall is truly making the decisions I have more confidence then if Bob is looming. The Guardians and Rays are two teams that rarely lose trades (yes I know Will Benson). Again, loving it, just a little trepidation on my part. lol
Cardinal fans are not as impressed, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by REDREAD
Also, wasn't his injury issues in 2023 regarding his elbow? Thats a big red flag right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Servo
Well, their fans have higher standards than us :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 757690
A Lynn or Gibson would have helped eat innings for the Reds last year. Maybe it would have kept the pen fresh in the last month. Couldn't have hurt. Neither was great, but better than SanMartin, Cessa and the other dreck the Reds used.
I can almost guarantee that if the Reds had just signed either Gibson or Lynn, the majority of Redszone would have approved and optimism would have surged.
Gibson maybe, but just imagine the number of home runs Lynn would have given up.Quote:
Originally Posted by REDREAD
Gibson was decent last year, however…Quote:
Originally Posted by NebraskaRed
Last year:
Lynn - 5.53 FIP
Weaver - 4.86 FIP
It was rumored that the Reds might sign Wacha or Miley, and many on this board were angry, and they are better options than Gibson or Lynn.Quote:
Originally Posted by REDREAD
Yes, Lynn did not have a good year last year, his value would have been in saving the bullpen.Quote:
Originally Posted by NebraskaRed
Although it's a fair point to ask.. Would Bell have let Lynn pitch 180+ innings? I'm not so sure he would have.
I guess I don't remember any anger at Wacha or Miley.Quote:
Originally Posted by 757690
I think there were people saying "I hope we aim higher than that".
I think if Miley or Wacha is signed, it will create a wave of optimism too.
Look how excited everyone got about Moll last summer.. and jsut about every minor move the Reds do.
I think there was even optimism when Weaver was signed.. and I"m not criticizing anyone for it.. but
Red fans are so starved for any help to arrive, they usually get excited no matter what.
Even Milton generated some optimism -- although a lot of people did criticize that as well on the day it happened -- many people were hopeful he could at least be around a 500 pitcher.
It's just the nature of being a fan of a losing team, any move gives hope (not a criticism)
Reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by REDREAD
The food is terrible at this restaurant, but the portions are huge!
I doubt the majority of Redszone would have been happy about signing either of those guys but I'm sure you wouldn't have approved of those signings. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by REDREAD
This is apples and oranges, as you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by 757690
If Reds sign Wacha or Miley, he would be their main SP acquisition. The apt Cards comp would be Sonny Gray.
Thanks for making my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc61
Your point is that Reds’ main course is marginally tastier than the Cards appetizer. Even if true, it doesn’t say much for a Reds meal.Quote:
Originally Posted by 757690
My only point was that this board would not be too happy with the Reds signing Lynn or Gibson. They would be just as unhappy as Cardinal fans were with those signings by the Cardinals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc61
You can believe whatever you want, whatever makes you feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Madden
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by REDREAD
If the Reds signed the guy who gave up the most HRs in MLB this year an the guy who gave up the most hits in the NL would created a surge in Redszone optimism?
Ouch... that doesn't bode well for the collective baseball acumen of the RZ hive-mind
Most people rallied behind just about every trade / move since Milton. Heck, even Milton had roughly 1/2 the people approve.Quote:
Originally Posted by westofyou
I was one of the dumb ones that thought he might be able to pitch 500 ball, because I wanted to believe the team would get better.
It's part of the fan mindset, that's the point.
People were generally ok with Cessa and Weaver in the rotation, at least until the season started.
I will concede that Lynn would get criticized by some, but in general, there's enough homers here that pretty much every move is looked through rosy colored glasses by most people. IIRC, there were some folks that were talking about getting Lynn at the summer deadline, but I don't want to dig through old posts to prove or disprove it..
Considering that the Reds were a couple of decent Lance Lynn starts short of a postseason berth, I’d take him. He takes the ball, rarely injured, the Reds need SP depth more than virtually any MLB roster on earth. I’d be fine adding him. Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by westofyou
The first and most precious tool: Health.
Health is a tool, Lynn's last 300 innings are B A D (worst of his career) and he's a 36 year old guy who weighs about 285, so betting on health will be a bit precarious moving forwardQuote:
Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
Lynn was worse than Weaver last year. He would not have helped the Reds win more games last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
Ironically, had the Reds held on to Weaver and given him his usual four inning stints, they might have preserved the pen long enough to win a couple more games. Instead of doing that bullpen-as-starter routine they did for like 5-6 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by 757690
Maybe he implodes next season, but if any team can squeeze out whatever is left in his arm it’s the Cardinals.
Ultimately, unless you think the Reds have the starters with lengthy clean bills of health enough to say, “We can’t promise you any innings” then the Reds are beggars that can’t be overly choosy.
They could change that calculus by spending and demoting guys to the minors, but we know that’s going to happen. So they’ll push guys like Phillips into the MLB rotation, ready or not.
The Cardinals are known for squeezing quality innings out of washed up pitchers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
They do virtually everything better than most ballclubs. They’re second in WS trophies despite being smack dab in the middle of the continent in a city that no one wants to move to. Pretty impressive, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!
I have no idea what that has to do with squeezing quality innings out of washed up pitchers in 2023 but sure why notQuote:
Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
Quality organizations figure things out. The Reds used to be one of those organizations. They haven’t been in 30 years. I assume you don’t remember. It’s understandable. That was a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!
At this time and until proven otherwise, the Cardinals are serious and the Reds are unserious. FCB's point is why you would likely trust a player acquisition by the Ravens and you would likely not trust a player acquisition by the Chargers. It's pretty cut and dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!
Exactly. Good is as good does. Some organizations care. Others don’t. At base, it really is that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plus Plus