Phil Castellini surprised that Opening Day tickets still unsold

Not for nothing but... I think this team may have a LEGIT shot to set the mark for worst Reds team of modern times in terms of record.

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Originally Posted by membengal

Not for nothing but... I think this team may have a LEGIT shot to set the records for worst Reds team of modern times in terms of record.

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Losing 100 games is really hard to do, and I didn't think they had a chance to be that bad before the season, but oh boy, they aren't good.

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Originally Posted by membengal

Not for nothing but... I think this team may have a LEGIT shot to set the records for worst Reds team of modern times in terms of record.

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This team isn't quite as bad as the 1982 team. But with the right people getting injured they could be there.

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Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

This team isn't quite as bad as the 1982 team. But with the right people getting injured they could be there.

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The offense might get there.

It's truly horrid.

I still think the bullpen and especially the starting staff will stabilize as guys get healthy/ learn their roles.

Until the Trading Deadline. Which will be vicious. Red ownership is going to gut this team.

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Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

This team isn't quite as bad as the 1982 team. But with the right people getting injured they could be there.

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right. Like, if India is out for any length of time, or NEEDING the kids who are in the rotation to eat innings and be solid, or if they deal Castillo at some point, etc. etc. Like, the things that could go wrong are fairly foreseeable and they have very little room for error.

I’lll say it again - the Reds will win 88 games!


But maybe not this season:(

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Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee

The offense might get there.

It's truly horrid.

I still think the bullpen and especially the starting staff will stabilize as guys get healthy/ learn their roles.

Until the Trading Deadline. Which will be vicious. Red ownership is going to gut this team.

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the bolded is what is putting me in mind of the 1982-83 teams. Those teams could pitch. Soto was amazing. Bruce Berenyi laid down a 3.36 ERA and was rewarded with a 9-18 record in 1982. Frank Pastore, before Gary Burbank immortalized him was passable. The pitching was FINE. It was OK. the offense was...brutal. If anything happens to Votto, if India is out, I mean...they have a chance to be REALLY bad.

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Originally Posted by LeatherPants

Losing 100 games is really hard to do, and I didn't think they had a chance to be that bad before the season, but oh boy, they aren't good.

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yea, in today's world, it's really hard to lose 100 games, due to multiple teams not even trying.
For example, I think we have 19 games against the Pirates, it's reasonable to expect at least 9-10 wins out of that, even with this Reds roster.

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Originally Posted by membengal

the bolded is what is putting me in mind of the 1982-83 teams. Those teams could pitch. Soto was amazing. Bruce Berenyi laid down a 3.36 ERA and was rewarded with a 9-18 record in 1982. Frank Pastore, before Gary Burbank immortalized him was passable. The pitching was FINE. It was OK. the offense was...brutal. If anything happens to Votto, if India is out, I mean...they have a chance to be REALLY bad.

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After the 81 season the Reds traded or let go Foster, Griffey and Collins. After the 2021 season the Reds traded or let go Winker, Castellanos and Suarez. See a pattern.......

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Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

After the 81 season the Reds traded or let go Foster, Griffey and Collins. After the 2021 season the Reds traded or let go Winker, Castellanos and Suarez. See a pattern.......

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Why is Suarez there. None of those other guys forgot how to hit.

As I watched last night, I had thoughts of Larry Biittner, Mike Vail, and Wayne Krenchicki


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Originally Posted by Old school 1983

Why is Suarez there. None of those other guys forgot how to hit.

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I just threw him in to make an even three for three. I didn't mind at all they traded him because it is doubtful he will ever bounce back.

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Originally Posted by RollyInRaleigh

As I watched last night, I had thoughts of Larry Biittner, Mike Vail, and Wayne Krenchicki


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I see a lot of Paul Householders out there.

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Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

After the 81 season the Reds traded or let go Foster, Griffey and Collins. After the 2021 season the Reds traded or let go Winker, Castellanos and Suarez. See a pattern.......

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In addition, Iglesias and DeSlafini both had outstanding years for other teams in 2021 and would be among the Reds' best players if they were still in Cincy. And I'll be interested to see what Sonny Gray does this year.

But where am I gonna go? No place. Not to GAB certainly. Where are the Reds top players gonna go? They're leavin on a jet plane.

So what options do the Castellini's have? Attendance and fan morale seem like the are going to get really, really bad. My guess is they are going to keep the status quo and hope this backlash blows over, and then hope an eventual winner will forgive all sins a la Mike Brown (what a guy to emulate).

The problem is that the "eventual winner" has to actually materialize at some point, and from all appearances the organization is a shambolic mess, so there's no reason to think they could successfully pull off a TB Rays strategy, or even a Marlins strategy. Also it seemed like the Castellini's were (somehow) envisioning that revenue would not plummet, even before Phil opened his big fat mouth and turned fan/media sentiment hostile.

So things are probably going to get probably even uglier. I think we are on a Pirates trajectory.

I think their best course of action, that's remotely realistic, would be to fire Phil ASAP and beg Dick Williams to come back. But even that scenario (replacing incompetent Trust Funder with another Trust Funder who at least does not give the "spent last night doing coke at Scores" vibe that Phil does) is probably too much to ask.

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Originally Posted by Jaysland Red

I’lll say it again - the Reds will win 88 games!


But maybe not this season:(

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Ownership setting sites on 2032!!

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Michael W.
@mweinst594

@johnfayman
how much ownership stake does the Williams family have in the Reds? The Reds need to get Dick Williams back. The Reds PR was so much better with him in a prominent role.

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John Fay
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Castellinis have controlling interest. “Investors” have zero say in running the team.

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Probably why Dick Williams left. They told them the plan to trade certain players away to save money and he walked away. Why come back for this mess?

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Phil would already be fired.

Ahh but the last name...

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Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

This team isn't quite as bad as the 1982 team. But with the right people getting injured they could be there.

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I had season tickets to that season and they really did suck. Could not score runs. The pitching wasn’t half bad and Mario Soto was totally wasted on that team. Pastore and Berenyi weren’t awful.

We drank a lot of cheap Hudepohl. A *lot*.

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Originally Posted by Roy Tucker

I had season tickets to that season and they really did suck. Could not score runs. The pitching wasn’t half bad and Mario Soto was totally wasted on that team. Pastore and Berenyi weren’t awful.

We drank a lot of cheap Hudepohl. A *lot*.

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The 82 team was better than this assemblage of nonsense. It’s just that there was no parity back then and the 82 bunch was really snakebit. Fluky bad.

This is just an unholy mess amidst terrific parity.

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

The 82 team was better than this assemblage of nonsense. It’s just that there was no parity back then and the 82 bunch was really snakebit. Fluky bad.

This is just an unholy mess amidst terrific parity.

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Actually no

Do your homework and report back please

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/1982.shtml

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Originally Posted by westofyou

Actually no

Do your homework and report back please

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/1982.shtml

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The '82 team had almost no future value. Soto was great. Gary Redus, Charlie Leibrandt and Greg Harris were the only guys who went on to do anything, and Leibrandt and Harris got jettisoned.

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Originally Posted by M2

The '82 team had almost no future value. Soto was great. Gary Redus, Charlie Leibrandt and Greg Harris were the only guys who went on to do anything, and Leibrandt and Harris got jettisoned.

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The talent of players under the age of thirty never created the value that the Reds currently can claim for players under thirty

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Originally Posted by M2

The '82 team had almost no future value. Soto was great. Gary Redus, Charlie Leibrandt and Greg Harris were the only guys who went on to do anything, and Leibrandt and Harris got jettisoned.

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I'm not disagreeing with your main point.
But Joe Price had a pretty decent (But mediocre) career, he pitched until 1990.

Most rebuild teams look a lot worse in hindsight.
A classic example is the optimism we had in all the young pitching after Leake was traded.
IIRC, Mahle was the only one that amounted to anything. I guess we could be generous and maybe count Garrett too.
In hindsight, that "young core" looks awful too.. Not quite as bad as Duane Walker and company , of course.

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Originally Posted by REDREAD

I'm not disagreeing with your main point.
But Joe Price had a pretty decent (But mediocre) career, he pitched until 1990.

Most rebuild teams look a lot worse in hindsight.
A classic example is the optimism we had in all the young pitching after Leake was traded.
IIRC, Mahle was the only one that amounted to anything. I guess we could be generous and maybe count Garrett too.
In hindsight, that "young core" looks awful too.. Not quite as bad as Duane Walker and company , of course.

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I was on the fence on mentioning Price. He was all right. Looks like a Hall-of-Famer compared to most of that team.

And no doubt rebuilds can be brutal.

I hate the lib woke mob and cancel culture as much as anyone, but right about now might be the perfect time foe them to actually do some good in this country and go after Phil :laugh:

Another enjoyable experience tonight. Where are you gonna go indeed

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Originally Posted by westofyou

Actually no

Do your homework and report back please

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/1982.shtml

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I guess. The sport is utterly different now. This team would win the Central outright with the 82 pitching staff. There won’t be a starter with anywhere near Soto’s innings on this team, and potentially not even Berenyi’s. Parity is a hall of mirrors that makes teams like the Reds look far better than they are. The bottom fell out of this team last August/September because they were a puff pastry. It’s just a terrible organization with no design, no emphasis. Just a hodgepodge.

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

This team would win the Central outright with the 82 pitching staff.

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Pitchers havent gotten worse since 1982.

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Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee

Pitchers havent gotten worse since 1982.

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They’ve gotten differently deployed. It’s pretty apples/oranges to compare starters in 82 vs. now. It’s the 4 inning, 160 innings-a season-for-an-ace-era of baseball. But if the Reds had a guy like Soto, capable of throwing complete games, 8 inning games with regularity they’d be a dangerous team in this age of parity.

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

They’ve gotten differently deployed. It’s pretty apples/oranges to compare starters in 82 vs. now. It’s the 4 inning, 160 innings-a season-for-an-ace-era of baseball. But if the Reds had a guy like Soto, capable of throwing complete games, 8 inning games with regularity they’d be a dangerous team in this age of parity.

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You ignore stuff. Soto could coast against the Johnny LeMasters of the world. His stuff would be considered average-- at best-- today.

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Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee

You ignore stuff. Soto could coast against the Johnny LeMasters of the world. His stuff would be considered average-- at best-- today.

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I’m not ignoring. You’re simply pointing out what I’m saying. It’s impossible to do an apples to apples comparison. I’m sure if you transported this 2022 team with its 100 mph pitchers and physically trained to the hilt athletes back to 1982 with dudes sporting beer bellies, yeah this team would mop up in 1982. I’m simply saying, it’s relative. This 2022 team only looks better than 1982 because of parity. This is a terrible team that will finish in the bottom third of everything but it won’t sport a gaudy 100 loss figure.

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Originally Posted by UKWhoDey

I hate the lib woke mob and cancel culture as much as anyone, but right about now might be the perfect time foe them to actually do some good in this country and go after Phil :laugh:

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I know you are just having some fun but please keep this stuff in the political forums

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

This team would win the Central outright with the 82 pitching staff.

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I know you've rarely been accused of this, but I think you're wildly overrating the current Reds' offense.

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Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee

You ignore stuff. Soto could coast against the Johnny LeMasters of the world. His stuff would be considered average-- at best-- today.

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NO

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Originally Posted by membengal

NO

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Soto would be terrific in any era.