Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

Doesn't everybody's?

For me, this is the deciding factor...will a trade of Bruce improve the Reds? This year or in the near future? To me, the answer is no or "maybe". The money isn't really an issue to be honest. The team payroll is quite low and there aren't any raises of any significance coming any time soon. Draft/trade for some young hitters and give them time to develop. In the meantime, Jay fills the void quite nice.

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Attrition is the enemy of us all

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Originally Posted by WrongVerb

Royals are offering Yordano Ventura in trades:



Bruce for Ventura?

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Pretty sure I pull the trigger on that deal if I am DW/WJ. I wouldn't give up both Cozart and Bruce for Ventura, though. Ventura has been pretty bad this year, and has had some velocity loss, but I believe he is fixable. Plus, he has enormous raw talent and is signed through 2019 with team options through 2021.

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Originally Posted by Edd Roush

Pretty sure I pull the trigger on that deal if I am DW/WJ. I wouldn't give up both Cozart and Bruce for Ventura, though. Ventura has been pretty bad this year, and has had some velocity loss, but I believe he is fixable. Plus, he has enormous raw talent and is signed through 2019 with team options through 2021.

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But you've overlooked that rather large elephant in the room. Do you want to have to deal with his repeated antics/headaches? Not me.

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Originally Posted by Edd Roush

Pretty sure I pull the trigger on that deal if I am DW/WJ. I wouldn't give up both Cozart and Bruce for Ventura, though. Ventura has been pretty bad this year, and has had some velocity loss, but I believe he is fixable. Plus, he has enormous raw talent and is signed through 2019 with team options through 2021.

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Ventura is a nut job. But for Bruce straight up... tempting.

I didn't even realize that Bruce already has half of his HR total (26 HRs in 649 PAs) from last year in just 215 PAs.


If teams want Bruce, they gotta pay.

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Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

But you've overlooked that rather large elephant in the room. Do you want to have to deal with his repeated antics/headaches? Not me.

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If the Reds do not accept Ventura for Bruce because they dug into Ventura's off-the-field issues and there were enough red flags to kill the deal, I am OK with that. I was trying to evaluate a potential trade solely based upon the grounds of on-the-field production, however I definitely agree that off-the-field issues should be considered as well.

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Originally Posted by Edd Roush

If the Reds do not accept Ventura for Bruce because they dug into Ventura's off-the-field issues and there were enough red flags to kill the deal, I am OK with that. I was trying to evaluate a potential trade solely based upon the grounds of on-the-field production, however I definitely agree that off-the-field issues should be considered as well.

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I would seriously consider a Bruce-for-Ventura swap. Between Ventura, Lorenzen, Finnegan, and Iglesias, that should lock down a top shelf back of bullpen and 1-2 rotation spots.

Especially assuming they don't draft Puk.

Ventura's talent is enough, but I want a young bat, particularly if they take Puk tomorrow.

I'd like to get a quality return for him, preferably a bat, but pitchers are good.

Bruce+Straily for Ventura+Bonifacio/Dozier?

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Originally Posted by Edd Roush

Pretty sure I pull the trigger on that deal if I am DW/WJ. I wouldn't give up both Cozart and Bruce for Ventura, though. Ventura has been pretty bad this year, and has had some velocity loss, but I believe he is fixable. Plus, he has enormous raw talent and is signed through 2019 with team options through 2021.

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He does have enormous raw talent, but do you want to deal with the immaturity? Especially on a team which is going to be increasingly younger as the season continues and we move into future seasons?

If you deal for him, you better be sure he sticks in the rotation, because I'm not sure you want that kind of contract in the bullpen - especially if Iglesias also stays in the bullpen.

And finally, while he does have great stuff, he also is a FB pitcher. While Kaufmann suppresses HRs, GABP would not. Who knows if he could pitch as effectively in Cincy as he has shown the tendency to do at KC.

I'd take a chance on him. Just 25?


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Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg

I'd take a chance on him. Just 25?


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He's about 125 years full of crazy.

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Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

Doesn't everybody's?

For me, this is the deciding factor...will a trade of Bruce improve the Reds? This year or in the near future? To me, the answer is no or "maybe". The money isn't really an issue to be honest. The team payroll is quite low and there aren't any raises of any significance coming any time soon. Draft/trade for some young hitters and give them time to develop. In the meantime, Jay fills the void quite nice.

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Just because you aren't spending the money doesn't mean you throw it away (Jocketty recently said there aren't many funds available for improvement). If you extend Bruce three - four years, you most likely end up with an overpaid aging OF. The last couple of years of that contract, they'll probably be looking to start negotiating early extensions with the current crop of young guns. That also could be a time where they would like to add a FA or higher-priced rental arm or bat. Be a shame to have to walk away from a contract, because you're over-paying an aging bat with diminishing skills. Move Bruce, Cozart, Phillips and yes, even Votto, the first time you get the right offer.

I will say that if you can't get anything at all for Jay then keep him and buy him out - maybe even pick up his option in the unlikely event his offensive renaissance continues, but no more.

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Originally Posted by corkedbat

Just because you aren't spending the money doesn't mean you throw it away (Jocketty recently said there aren't many funds available for improvement). If you extend Bruce three - four years, you most likely end up with an overpaid aging OF. The last couple of years of that contract, they'll probably be looking to start negotiating early extensions with the current crop of young guns. That also could be a time where they would like to add a FA or higher-priced rental arm or bat. Be a shame to have to walk away from a contract, because you're over-paying an aging bat with diminishing skills. Move Bruce, Cozart, Phillips and yes, even Votto, the first time you get the right offer.

I will say that if you can't get anything at all for Jay then keep him and buy him out - maybe even pick up his option in the unlikely event his offensive renaissance continues, but no more.

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Votto and Phillips' contracts mean they won't be going anywhere unless they want to. Bruce's no trade clause also limits the places he can be traded - especially since he has a couple opportunities each year to update the teams on his no-trade clause. Cozart is really the only one they could "easily" move if they wanted to.