Phil Castellini surprised that Opening Day tickets still unsold

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Originally Posted by SidneySlicker

Oh, for sure. There's a high level of incompetency in that organization. Trading guys like Gray, Miley, and Winker and replacing them with below average replacements like Pham and others, isn't trying to win. That's not ineptness. That's forsaking winning to lower expenses and increase net revenue AKA fill their pockets.

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I disagree about the level of incompetency. I think they know how to compete. The past two years saw Williams build a club that was competitive. They had a couple of holes, but for the most part, they were good enough to win more than they lost. With the addition of Greene, Lodolo, Barrero, and some luck and health, this team was on its way to being the NL Central favorites.

But ownership just don't want to spend the money year after year to compete or win.

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Originally Posted by RollyInRaleigh

What day will the Reds be officially eliminated this season?


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Well 10 games in they're 4 out of the division and 10 games out is probably insurmountable? I'll assume things get a little better once they're not playing teams like the Braves and Dodgers most every day. So June 1?

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Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee

I disagree about the level of incompetency. I think they know how to compete. The past two years saw Williams build a club that was competitive. They had a couple of holes, but for the most part, they were good enough to win more than they lost. With the addition of Greene, Lodolo, Barrero, and some luck and health, this team was on its way to being the NL Central favorites.

But ownership just don't want to spend the money year after year to compete or win.

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Signing Moustakas, giving away your closer, trading for injured players is incompetency

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

I don’t know. Players get paid. Stuff like front office clownery probably doesn’t affect them unless it affects their playing time or next contract.

These dudes are extremely wealthy coddled men. I doubt they give much of a damn either way if Phil craps the PR bed. Keep signing those checks.

No need to romanticize multimillionaires.

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Salary envey?
You can't tell me that as much Castellini's words pissed the fans off, his words had no effect on what the players think.

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

The best outcome at this stage—from a fan’s standpoint—would be a 100 loss season. It would hopefully dislodge Krall and maybe result in a reconsideration of a lot of things: Whether to sell, whether to restructure the front office, etc. Losing just 90 probably keeps the entire system in place.

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I am rooting for them to lose 100 games and change this **** show of the last 15 years.

My fandom of the reds since 1975 has never been lower.

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

I am rooting for them to lose 100 games and change this **** show of the last 15 years.

My fandom of the reds since 1975 has never been lower.

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That's a great point.
It's hard to see anything changing, unless there's a 100 loss change to reinforce that management is sabotaging the team.
For example, suppose the Reds get some good breaks and end up going maybe 73-89.. That's probably good enough to keep
1.3 million or so fans coming and still be more profitable to tank.
Honestly, I am not sure if even a 100 loss season changes anything, but at least it would be an embarrassment to ownership.
89-95 losses is probably not embarrassing enough.

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Originally Posted by REDREAD

That's a great point.
It's hard to see anything changing, unless there's a 100 loss change to reinforce that management is sabotaging the team.
For example, suppose the Reds get some good breaks and end up going maybe 73-89.. That's probably good enough to keep
1.3 million or so fans coming and still be more profitable to tank.
Honestly, I am not sure if even a 100 loss season changes anything, but at least it would be an embarrassment to ownership.
89-95 losses is probably not embarrassing enough.

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I have zero hope. They made it pretty evident that they aren't selling, and I believe them. Despite how much they lose, it's a very profitable business for them by the way of TV revenue and revenue sharing. They don't need ticket and merch revenue. They're rich and aloof, they could care less if the go to the playoffs as long as they're stuffing their pockets with cash.

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Originally Posted by SidneySlicker

I have a right to not root for, or financially support this team anymore.

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I'm with you, man...if management doesn't care about winning, why should I? It's a real shame after all the decades I've ardently followed the Reds but I feel like I've cut them loose emotionally this year.

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Originally Posted by Maldez

I'm with you, man...if management doesn't care about winning, why should I? It's a real shame after all the decades I've ardently followed the Reds but I feel like I've cut them loose emotionally this year.

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Not only doesn't care, they've proven inept even when they have tried. See 4 playoffs in 15 years. I have so much other stuff going on in my life then to worry about watching Reds games. I might check a box score or standings every now and then, but I'm not investing my time watching them (which contributes to their ratings) or my money which fills their pockets. I'm just not.

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Originally Posted by SidneySlicker

Not only doesn't care, they've proven inept even when they have tried. See 4 playoffs in 15 years. I have so much other stuff going on in my life then to worry about watching Reds games. I might check a box score or standings every now and then, but I'm not investing my time watching them (which contributes to their ratings) or my money which fills their pockets. I'm just not.

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You quite literally couldn't pay me to watch this vomit. I'd go to the zoo and let chimps throw crap at me before I watch 9 innings of this.

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

You quite literally couldn't pay me to watch this vomit. I'd go to the zoo and let chimps throw crap at me before I watch 9 innings of this.

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Please post that on Youtube.

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Originally Posted by mth123

Please post that on Youtube.

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Certainly more entertaining than this crud.

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

You quite literally couldn't pay me to watch this vomit. I'd go to the zoo and let chimps throw crap at me before I watch 9 innings of this.

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I had a friend that worked a multiple zoos. This happened at either the Cleveland zoo or Detroit zoo (I think), a long time ago.
Some teens were at one of the monkey/chimp displays, taunting and yelling at the animals.
My friend knew what was going to happen, so he just watched.
The animal pooped in his hand, the kids laughed and pointed even louder.
Then the monkey did his throw and hit with the accuracy of a MLB pitcher :)

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

You quite literally couldn't pay me to watch this vomit. I'd go to the zoo and let chimps throw crap at me before I watch 9 innings of this.

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Ah, yes, you've summed it up beautifully, and I have to say I agree.

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Originally Posted by REDREAD

I had a friend that worked a multiple zoos. This happened at either the Cleveland zoo or Detroit zoo (I think), a long time ago.
Some teens were at one of the monkey/chimp displays, taunting and yelling at the animals.
My friend knew what was going to happen, so he just watched.
The aminal pooped in his hand, the kids laughed and pointed even louder.
Then the monkey did his throw and hit with the accuracy of a MLB pitcher :)

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Excellent. *Monty Burns voice*

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

You quite literally couldn't pay me to watch this vomit. I'd go to the zoo and let chimps throw crap at me before I watch 9 innings of this.

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poetry

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

You quite literally couldn't pay me to watch this vomit. I'd go to the zoo and let chimps throw crap at me before I watch 9 innings of this.

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1. If you owned a magic box that printed money, would you sell that box?

2. Would you tell people how much money the magic box prints?

3. If the magic box printed more money, the sadder it made people that look at the box, would you decide to stop printing money?

4. How has all the losing affected the Pirates Ownership's magic box?

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Originally Posted by wlf WV

Ownership deserves to lose money in a statement way.

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That's the problem with the system, even if ZERO fans shows at the ballpark the Reds will still make money.

Time to start keeping tabs on 2023 draft prospects. If we're going to tank, we need to really tank. Secure the #1 pick. Think I'll start watching college baseball on TV instead of the Reds. This Dylan Crews kid from LSU sounds pretty interesting.

https://www.prospectslive.com/prospe...raft-prospects

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/category/2023-mlb-draft/

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The most significant takeaway from the 2023 class is its projected strength at the top. There’s currently only one 50 FV prospect in the 2022 class, but already three atop the 2023 group: Ole Miss shortstop Jacob Gonzalez, Wake Forest third baseman Brock Wilken, and LSU outfielder Dylan Crews. That’s more than has been typical for a class that’s still a year and a half away from draft day. Gonzalez has special bat-to-ball skills and can play a premium position, Wilken already has 70-grade raw power and rare athleticism for a corner defender, and Crews performed in the SEC and reinforced confidence in the huge tools that made him famous as a high schooler.

This group may eventually be joined by more prospects. Most of the college players who will be eligible in 2023 are still teenagers right now, and some of them have not even had the opportunity to play consistently as they are coming off freshman seasons at big, talent-rich programs. With a couple of obviously excellent prospects already in place at the top of the class, and so much of the rest of it still in a magmatic stage of development, the 2023 draft has a shot to be pretty special up top.

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Originally Posted by KronoRed

That's the problem with the system, even if ZERO fans shows at the ballpark the Reds will still make money.

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Boatloads. Let’s please not kid ourselves. They could sell not a single ticket the next five seasons and still easily afford increasing their payroll year over year.

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Originally Posted by OesterPoster

Time to start keeping tabs on 2023 draft prospects. If we're going to tank, we need to really tank. Secure the #1 pick. Think I'll start watching college baseball on TV instead of the Reds. This Dylan Crews kid from LSU sounds pretty interesting.

https://www.prospectslive.com/prospe...raft-prospects

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/category/2023-mlb-draft/

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They’ll just rush him or lose him in 3 seasons.

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Quote Originally Posted by OesterPoster View Post
Time to start keeping tabs on 2023 draft prospects. If we're going to tank, we need to really tank. Secure the #1 pick. Think I'll start watching college baseball on TV instead of the Reds. This Dylan Crews kid from LSU sounds pretty interesting.

https://www.prospectslive.com/prospe...raft-prospects

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/category/2023-mlb-draft/

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We have a new Collective Bargaining Agreement
The team with the worst W-L record is No Longer awarded the first pick in the draft.

Beginning in 2023, the first six choices will be determined by lottery rather than by the reverse order of the previous year's standings.

As an exercise in self torture, I remembered in the past few seasons that the Reds had a real suck start.

May 7, 2018, they were 8-27. 19 games under .500. This years club may give that record a run. Which is tough because in the stretch 2015-2018, the Reds never exceeded 68 wins.

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

You quite literally couldn't pay me to watch this vomit. I'd go to the zoo and let chimps throw crap at me before I watch 9 innings of this.

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Somehow I am fully aligned with ya here, pal. I care too much to be ok with what they are doing and how they are doing it.

I would have respected them more to do a full rebuild, get some interesting talent to watch grow up on the field, rather than watching marginal platoon players that can achieve 1.5 WAR if everything goes right.

Its uninteresting, and I see no hook to watch.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

Its uninteresting, and I see no hook to watch.

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Is this really true? I’m not trying to tell you what to do, but actually? No interest in Hunter Greene throwing meteors, or Joey Votto being one of the only single-team hall of famers of the 21st century? Its obviously bad, but the idea that there’s absolutely nothing to see here feels unearned.

I’m watching

As always though I’m doing it based on MY schedule

Isn’t that anything they interests you?

Nonetheless I’m interested in a lot of stuff Reds wise and baseball wise.

Otherwise why would I bother telling a bunch of strangers about it

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Originally Posted by WildcatFan

Is this really true? I’m not trying to tell you what to do, but actually? No interest in Hunter Greene throwing meteors, or Joey Votto being one of the only single-team hall of famers of the 21st century? Its obviously bad, but the idea that there’s absolutely nothing to see here feels unearned.

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For sure, I will tune it from time to time depending who is pitching.

But the lineup and guys on the field aren’t doing a lot for me.

This is just coming from someone with young child, hectic work schedule… it’s hard to justify tuning in regularly at the moment… I’m not going to another team or anything crazy… I read, watch the scores everyday. I just don’t find the product engaging enough, or believe in the plan of ownership to really feel hooked into watching. Like if Phil and Krall really believes the stuff they say, it’s a tough sell for me to buy into a greater future


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Gosh I hope there are 5,000 fans for their next home game.

It will be interesting to see if the average drops below 15,000 per game for the first time since 1983.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

Somehow I am fully aligned with ya here, pal. I care too much to be ok with what they are doing and how they are doing it.

I would have respected them more to do a full rebuild, get some interesting talent to watch grow up on the field, rather than watching marginal platoon players that can achieve 1.5 WAR if everything goes right.

Its uninteresting, and I see no hook to watch.

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I haven’t watched a single game first to last pitch yet this season. And outside of the Atlanta series, I haven’t watched a single inning.

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Originally Posted by Ron Madden

We have a new Collective Bargaining Agreement
The team with the worst W-L record is No Longer awarded the first pick in the draft.

Beginning in 2023, the first six choices will be determined by lottery rather than by the reverse order of the previous year's standings.

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Thanks, I didn't know that. Maybe that's better though, because the Reds usually have difficulty tanking badly enough to get the #1 pick. And I look forward to hitting the Tankathon.com draft lottery simulator like I do with the Blue Jackets almost every year. :)

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Originally Posted by Griffey012

Gosh I hope there are 5,000 fans for their next home game.

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The April or May weeknight games are always a good indicator of where the season ticket base number is sitting. They'll announce attendance of 12,000-15,000, and then you'll know. Even if the stands look 90% empty.

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Originally Posted by OesterPoster

The April or May weeknight games are always a good indicator of where the season ticket base number is sitting. They'll announce attendance of 12,000-15,000, and then you'll know. Even if the stands look 90% empty.

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That's a great point. If ownership doesn't win back fans before the end of the season, season tickets (at least the non-corporate ones) will probably take a hit this winter.

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Originally Posted by REDREAD

That's a great point. If ownership doesn't win back fans before the end of the season, season tickets (at least the non-corporate ones) will probably take a hit this winter.

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Yet they’ll still make huge profits.

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

I haven’t watched a single game first to last pitch yet this season. And outside of the Atlanta series, I haven’t watched a single inning.

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And this is exactly why I'll take everything that you say about players performance with a huge grain of salt

See ya when you actually follow the team

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Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski

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Truth

"I don't really care about the Reds. I don't watch them or follow them. And I'll keep saying this again and again, every day on a Reds message board for everyone to read."

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Originally Posted by westofyou

And this is exactly why I'll take everything that you say about players performance with a huge grain of salt

See ya when you actually follow the team

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It does explain why FCB so readily hopped on the "Pham is washed up" idea if he wasn't watching any ABs.

I can't blame anyone for not sticking with these games until the end because I largely haven't been but not even an inning? Jeez.

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

It does explain why FCB so readily hopped on the "Pham is washed up" idea if he wasn't watching any ABs.

I can't blame anyone for not sticking with these games until the end because I largely haven't been but not even an inning? Jeez.

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You can tell by what he posts he doesn’t watch any of it.