Claussen out for season

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Originally Posted by MaineRed

I wasn't trying to misquote you TC. Obviously when talking about a pitcher and then using the term garbage, you are talking about his stuff, not him personally. I thought that was obvious. Sorry for any confusion.

My point was, that depending on your perception of what was said, saying, "good news", is the same as saying, "his stuff is garbage".

I was just trying to point out that you could say the same thing and nobody would blink but this other guy is getting eaten alive.

I don't think he is saying, "good news, I was hoping for an injury," but rather, "good news that there is a reason for his struggles.

No harm meant.

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I wish you would have posted that instead of calling us out. All is fair in love and baseball. Let's just all agree that Claussen needs to be healthy and fulfill his potential.

Here's the big question:

Do you re-sign Claussen this fall?

I say no. You non tender him. I think he's done. Can anyone help me out and name a pitcher who had his shoulder scoped by Kremchek who came all the way back? How about a guy who's had TJ and a frayed rotator cuff surgery?

Turn the page on this guy. He was never Cy Young anyway. I know this sounds harsh but it's a harsh business. Tough decisions need to be made. This team does not need any more rehabilitating mediocre pitchers.

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Originally Posted by keeganbrick

I said "good news", thats it. Was it sarcastic, in a way I guess. The point being he is having surgery to hopefully fix part of his problem. Obviously something was wrong because he was getting killed in AAA as well. I really dont understand why everyone is getting pissed about it(well I can in a way). If I offended anyone, my apologies.

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Dont apologize. it was obvious that you were being sarcastic. **knock off the attacks and hostile attitude -ochre**
like i stated before, all u can eat crow and stop with the name calling on my reputation comment thing. (hypocrits)

As sad as it is to say the first name that comes to my head when I hear the word "labrum" is Wade Miller. Miller has never fully recovered from his torn labrum and has lost a velocity on his pitches. As Reds fans know he was quite a good pitcher with Houston. I've always heard that a pitcher never fully recovers from these types of injuries. Claussen has it real bad because he was a soft tosser anyway and had Tommy John surgery so in my mind the chances of him pitching successfully in a Reds uniform or any other major league uniform is slim to none.

Tough luck. He has some talent. I'd like to see him get another shot if he can make it back. Maybe a minor league deal.

GUess my sarcasim meeter was in the off mode because I didnt detect any. I'm glad you (Keeganbrick) clarified your remarks for those like me who thought you were serious. Unfortunately, there are those out there who cheer injury.

Back to Brandon, its a shame, a nice kid by all reports. I hope he can reocver but as many have posted, its far, far from a sure bet.

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Do you re-sign Claussen this fall?

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It's not like he'll be a free agent for 3 more years. The worst the reds would have to do is go to arbitration with him and given the numbers he put up this last year, that would work to the reds favor. Arbitrators are traditionaly not kind to injued players, but reward those with playing time and results.

While There seems to be no decision here, meaning Claussen would continue to be reds property next year, I don't expect him to throw a pitch for the reds. Narron made some comments about Brandon "only" being a starter and Claussen has not given the new regime any reason to expect him to succeed. It's not like the reds have a shortage of lefthanded pitching. I expect Claussen to be traded the second he's healthy.

Just like Hudson and Hancock...it will not be a good move for the reds.

I'm really saddened to hear about this.I always thought Claussen would be an effective starter in the rotation for years to come.

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Originally Posted by dfs

It's not like he'll be a free agent for 3 more years. The worst the reds would have to do is go to arbitration with him and given the numbers he put up this last year, that would work to the reds favor. Arbitrators are traditionaly not kind to injued players, but reward those with playing time and results.

While There seems to be no decision here, meaning Claussen would continue to be reds property next year, I don't expect him to throw a pitch for the reds. Narron made some comments about Brandon "only" being a starter and Claussen has not given the new regime any reason to expect him to succeed. It's not like the reds have a shortage of lefthanded pitching. I expect Claussen to be traded the second he's healthy.

Just like Hudson and Hancock...it will not be a good move for the reds.

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Free agency would be preferable to arbitration. Arbitrators give ridiculous sums of $$ to players. No way I risk that. Did Hancock have shoulder surgery? Hudson has been a project for the Royals and given their abysmal record they have nothing to lose but I doubt Krivsky loses any sleep wishing Luke was back on the Reds.

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Originally Posted by Sea Ray

Here's the big question:

Do you re-sign Claussen this fall?
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Great question. He only made 370k this year. It's not like he had a good season to justify a raise. I'd try to negotiate with him and sign him for under a million (shouldn't be too hard). The main reason I do that is because pitching is so thin. If Claussen insists on going to arb, I probably nontender him because it's not worth the headache.

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Free agency would be preferable to arbitration. Arbitrators give ridiculous sums of $$ to players. No way I risk that. Did Hancock have shoulder surgery? Hudson has been a project for the Royals and given their abysmal record they have nothing to lose but I doubt Krivsky loses any sleep wishing Luke was back on the Reds.

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With the injury you're talking about at most 500K for Brandon in arbitration. That's Rick White money. If he's not worth that to you, then you let him go. He's worth that to me.

Hancock had several leg injuries that cost him the last couple of years. He seems to be thin enough to pitch in St. Louis.

Not sure if you are aware, but since being put into KC's starting rotation Luke Hudson has turned in essentially five straight quality starts with the royals behind him.

If Krivsky isn't losing sleep over that and paying attention to his own mistakes and learning from them, we might as well all just start paying attention to football, because he'll continue to trade real prospects for Kyle Lohse and legitimate starting position players for magic beans.

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Originally Posted by REDREAD

Great question. He only made 370k this year. It's not like he had a good season to justify a raise. I'd try to negotiate with him and sign him for under a million (shouldn't be too hard). The main reason I do that is because pitching is so thin. If Claussen insists on going to arb, I probably nontender him because it's not worth the headache.

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I disagree. What are you hoping for? Are you hoping he'll be the pitcher he was for a month or 6 weeks in 2005? Or are you hoping he'll be the pitcher he has been for the rest of his career? Or are you thinking after another surgery he'll blossom and be better than he's ever been?

IMO, he's not going to be worth a sub million salary, a precious roster spot and all the coaching and medical resources he'll require. It's possible he'll turn into Jamie Moyer and find his niche into his 40s but that's so far off we can't invest for that now. I don't see that he has a high ceiling. I see him as another junk balling lefty.

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Originally Posted by dfs

With the injury you're talking about at most 500K for Brandon in arbitration. That's Rick White money. If he's not worth that to you, then you let him go. He's worth that to me.

Hancock had several leg injuries that cost him the last couple of years. He seems to be thin enough to pitch in St. Louis.

Not sure if you are aware, but since being put into KC's starting rotation Luke Hudson has turned in essentially five straight quality starts with the royals behind him.

If Krivsky isn't losing sleep over that and paying attention to his own mistakes and learning from them, we might as well all just start paying attention to football, because he'll continue to trade real prospects for Kyle Lohse and legitimate starting position players for magic beans.

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To Luke Hudson's credit, he has had a good month of pitching for the Royals. Kudos to him. I wish him well. But as recently as the beginning of July he still had an ERA over 7 and if I'm not mistaken he also made trip to the minors. Bottomline is it's still way to early to say it was a mistake to cut him loose. Anybody could have had him and if the Royals can resurrect his career kudos to them. They can reap the rewards.

No question Hancock could have helped this team in 2006. They decided to make a statement with him in hopes of shaking a few others into line where conditioning is concerned. This "statement" would have been hallow if they were cutting a guy who couldn't pitch anyway. The point is "hey if we're willing to cut a guy who's not a bad pitcher, the same can be done to you."
But that's not what we're dealing with here with Claussen. The issue is whether he respresents a proper use of team resources.

Thank you again Mr Bowden, may I have another!