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12-04-2012, 02:01 PM
MikeThierry

Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Madness! Dusty now gets Kutch at center.

Obviously, Jocketty has dealt for Andrew McCutchen to play center.

haha good call!
12-04-2012, 02:03 PM
SidneySlicker

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Originally Posted by RedEye

Wow. I'd really prefer Upton. Do you really think they'd ask more for Fowler than AZ would for Upton? If so, I'm not sure I know what color this sky is.

Looking further into Fowler I've changed my mind. I didn't realize that Fowler has never ops'd over 800. Upton has nearly ops'd 900 twice and come close to opsing 800 in his only other two major league seasons.
I also thought he was more of a stolen base threat than he really is.
12-04-2012, 02:11 PM
blumj

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Originally Posted by Steve4192

Did Gammons just have a stroke?

Should we call someone to make sure he is alright?

No cause for concern, this has been going on for years:

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/61649...-tweeterverse/
12-04-2012, 02:14 PM
RichRed

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Originally Posted by blumj

No cause for concern, this has been going on for years:

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/61649...-tweeterverse/

Makes Fay seem downright coherent.
12-04-2012, 02:17 PM
dougdirt

Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

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Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Fair enough but I still think that it's going to take more than Gregorius and Leake to get Upton. I'm not even seeing Gregorius on the top 100 list of prospects on the MLB Network. I might get flak for this but I think this is a stuation where posters on here value him more than what other teams value him for.

That list hasn't really been updated. Mayo was talking about it during the AFL Championship game that it will be updated in January. Gregorius is going to be a Top 100 prospect.
12-04-2012, 02:25 PM
MikeThierry

Re: Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

That list hasn't really been updated. Mayo was talking about it during the AFL Championship game that it will be updated in January. Gregorius is going to be a Top 100 prospect.

The Reds are still going to have to throw in more considering that other teams will be throwing in higher valued prospects in the mix.
12-04-2012, 02:31 PM
RedlegJake

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Originally Posted by MikeThierry

The Reds are still going to have to throw in more considering that other teams will be throwing in higher valued prospects in the mix.

Undoubtedly. I expect Didi would simply be the first piece, then they'll want a good young arm or and probably a 4th good prospect. Cabrera is drawing serious talk at 4 prospects so that is likely the minimum for Upton (as well as Fowler).
12-04-2012, 02:35 PM
dougdirt

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Originally Posted by MikeThierry

The Reds are still going to have to throw in more considering that other teams will be throwing in higher valued prospects in the mix.

Certainly. As I said earlier, he isn't on the same page as a Profar. But he is enough to get the conversation started (which seems to be focused around 'starting caliber shortstop').
12-04-2012, 02:37 PM
MikeThierry

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Originally Posted by RedlegJake

Undoubtedly. I expect Didi would simply be the first piece, then they'll want a good young arm or and probably a 4th good prospect. Cabrera is drawing serious talk at 4 prospects so that is likely the minimum for Upton (as well as Fowler).

To me, what their asking for Cabrera is beyond ridiculous. There is some talk that the Cards are in on him and I would be highly opposed to getting him if they have to give up the talent to get him. There's a lot of warning signs showing Cabrera is regressing. I can't imagine what kind of haul Upton will get.
12-04-2012, 02:38 PM
kaldaniels

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Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Fair enough but I still think that it's going to take more than Gregorius and Leake to get Upton. I'm not even seeing Gregorius on the top 100 list of prospects on the MLB Network. I might get flak for this but I think this is a stuation where posters on here value him more than what other teams value him for.

No flak on this one. I bet most here agree with me that he is not a top 100 guy.
12-04-2012, 02:38 PM
757690

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Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Fair enough but I still think that it's going to take more than Gregorius and Leake to get Upton. I'm not even seeing Gregorius on the top 100 list of prospects on the MLB Network. I might get flak for this but I think this is a stuation where posters on here value him more than what other teams value him for.

The Reds have been reported to be willing to trade Cozart and put Didi as their starting SS in 2013. I think that speaks volumes about Didi's trade value.

I agree Didi isn't in the same league as rhe other SS's mentioned in Gammon's quote, however, I also think that you might be undervaluing Leake's trade value. He's not a throw in. He's a former 1st round pick with three years of rotation experience who has been around league average, and can give your team 150+ innings.
12-04-2012, 02:46 PM
MikeThierry

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Originally Posted by 757690

The Reds have been reported to be willing to trade Cozart and put Didi as their starting SS in 2013. I think that speaks volumes about Didi's trade value.

I agree Didi isn't in the same league as rhe other SS's mentioned in Gammon's quote, however, I also think that you might be undervaluing Leake's trade value. He's not a throw in. He's a former 1st round pick with three years of rotation experience who has been around league average, and can give your team 150+ innings.

I think what a lot of teams are looking for now are power arms and I don't know if you would describe Leake as a power arm, at least not compared to the other talent in the majors. There are a ton of young, up and coming power arms in the majors and I feel that if teams offer the chips they have, the Diamonbacks will look more favorably on those chips than Leake. For example (to keep it locally from my standpoint), if the Cardinals offered Shelby Miller and Trevor Rosenthal as part of a package for Upton, I'm willing to bet that the Diamondbacks take that package over a package the Reds offer with Leake. I can give you other teams prospects in the same type of scenario and the result would probably be the same.
12-04-2012, 02:51 PM
SidneySlicker

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According to Cleveland radio the Indians reportedly just pulled out of a trade of Cabrera that was close because the trade partner wouldn't add a 3rd prospect. This would have led you to believe the third prospect would have got it done. Now we don't know what prospects were involved, but maybe the trade market isn't as stiff as some of us think.
12-04-2012, 02:53 PM
RedsManRick

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Originally Posted by SidneySlicker

According to Cleveland radio the Indians reportedly just pulled out of a trade of Cabrera that was close because the trade partner wouldn't add a 3rd prospect. This would have led you to believe the third prospect would have got it done. Now we don't know what prospects were involved, but maybe the trade market isn't as stiff as some of us think.

That was a third prospect in addition to a major-leaguer. Given the dearth of SS talent available, I'm sure the Indians will hold the line and take their time unless they get what they want.
12-04-2012, 02:56 PM
757690

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Originally Posted by MikeThierry

I think what a lot of teams are looking for now are power arms and I don't know if you would describe Leake as a power arm, at least not compared to the other talent in the majors. There are a ton of young, up and coming power arms in the majors and I feel that if teams offer the chips they have, the Diamonbacks will look more favorably on those chips than Leake. For example (to keep it locally from my standpoint), if the Cardinals offered Shelby Miller and Trevor Rosenthal as part of a package for Upton, I'm willing to bet that the Diamondbacks take that package over a package the Reds offer with Leake. I can give you other teams prospects in the same type of scenario and the result would probably be the same.

If the Cardinals offered Miller and Rosenthal to the Reds for Leake I pray that they are quick enough to take it before the Cardinals chafe their mind. Lol

But that just means that two good pitchers getting paid league minimum and under control for five+ seasons are more valuable than one good pitcher whose about to get expensive and under control for only three more seasons.

However, I think Leake is worth more than either Miller or Rosenthal by themselves. I doubt teams care how hard a guy throws, if he gets results. Leake is proven decent starting pitcher. There are only around 50-75 of those guys around the league, which makes him more valuable than a young arm who hasn't nearly every time.

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