Pete Rose Committed Statutory Rape (according to court docs)

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Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds

Yeah I'm not really seeing the point in splitting hairs here, 16 is not an acceptable age by any stretch dude.

Hell I think dudes that troll around for 18 year olds are creeps too, legality aside.

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Trust me I'm no knight in shining armor here (que raiser) but yeah if you're out of college she should at least be of drinking age

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

So if she's 15 in August but 16 in September she's suddenly mature enough to consent now? Is that really what you're going with?

"Jesus duuuude"

15 year olds are consenting to have sex all the time. Whether it's with a 13, 15, 18, 25, or 34 year old it's not the same as that person she's having sex with forcing himself on her. Not even close. Can she be taken advantage of because she's young and naive? Yes. That's probably the case in many instances, particularly with someone with a massive age difference. But again, it's not the same as forcible rape.

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Brb, going to go wash my eyes out with bleach.

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Ok, stings a little bit, but I'm ok. Let me continue:

Jesus dude.

They are both rape. A 10 year old could consent to fighting in a cage match with a 30 year old. It's still assaulting a minor.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

It's all a mess.

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On this I agree. But it kinda has to be.

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Originally Posted by Homer's Ghost

Nah brah he'd be scum if she was 16 too. You're scum for defending it.

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Where am I defending it internet tough guy?

You're scum for stealing my oxygen.

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Originally Posted by MR X

I first heard about it last year, so it's been out there for a while.

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One reason why it was never reported, is because those who would have done the reporting, weren't exactly squeaky clean during that period themselves, and don't want that Pandora's box opened. Just ask anyone who was associated with Reds over the past 30 years, if they have any "Mons" stories to tell...

are we just gonna ignore we got the story of someone's conception in here

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

Trust me. It's not the same. It's obviously not right, but it's not the same as forcible rape. I'd be pissed for the former. I'd kill him for the latter.

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No one is saying it's the same as forcible rape. But they are still both rape.

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

are we just gonna ignore we got the story of someone's conception in here

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And I choose to believe it's the real Scooter Gennett

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Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!

Brb, going to go wash my eyes out with bleach.

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Ok, stings a little bit, but I'm ok. Let me continue:

Jesus dude.

They are both rape. A 10 year old could consent to fighting in a cage match with a 30 year old. It's still assaulting a minor.

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A 10 year old isn't going to do that. A 15 or 16 year old will to consent to sex though, and they do it every day. I'm not arguing the decency of it. I'm arguing the difference of what I see as rape, which is non consensual sex.

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Originally Posted by Homer's Ghost

if you're out of college she should at least be of drinking age

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When I graduated college, I was 21.

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

are we just gonna ignore we got the story of someone's conception in here

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It's etched into my brain for eternity.

Southern Ohio, bro, southern Ohio.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

A 10 year old isn't going to do that. A 15 or 16 year old will to consent to sex though, and they do it every day. I'm not arguing the decency of it. I'm arguing the difference of what I see as rape, which is non consensual sex.

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Yes, a 15 or 16 year old will consent to sex with a 34 year old adult at times...and that is why it is the responsibility of the 34 year old adult to not have sex with them. And that is why it is a crime, because they are expected to not take advantage of a child.

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Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!

Thinking sex with a 15 year old as a 34 year old is rape is feminism?

Wowzer.

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I apologize for calling you a feminist. I forgot there's a certain mentality that would consider that an insult.

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Originally Posted by Boston Red

On this I agree. But it kinda has to be.

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No it didn't really. Pete chose to sleep with a girl who I'm sure he knew was a minor. I'm sure he wasn't forced into it. But splitting hairs between a 15 and 16 year old being any kind of real difference is silly.

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

are we just gonna ignore we got the story of someone's conception in here

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Dude, I see concepcion talk on this board like all the time.

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Originally Posted by Mutaman

I apologize for calling you a feminist. I forgot there's a certain mentality that would consider that an insult.

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I didn't say it was an insult. I'm just not seeing how it is feminism, I think it's more along the lines of common sense and decency.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

No it didn't really. Pete chose to sleep with a girl who I'm sure he knew was a minor. I'm sure he wasn't forced into it. But splitting hairs between a 15 and 16 year old being any kind of real difference is silly.

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I think it does. You have to draw a bright line somewhere on this.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

No it didn't really. Pete chose to sleep with a girl who I'm sure he knew was a minor. I'm sure he wasn't forced into it. But splitting hairs between a 15 and 16 year old being any kind of real difference is silly.

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And splitting hairs between 14 and 15 is silly. And so is 13 and 14. And 12 and 13. Where do you draw the line? The law decided it was between 15 and 16.

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Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!

Yes, a 15 or 16 year old will consent to sex with a 34 year old adult at times...and that is why it is the responsibility of the 34 year old adult to not have sex with them. And that is why it is a crime, because they are expected to not take advantage of a child.

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Totally agree. Again, it's not what Pete or any other 34 year old should be doing behind closed doors obviously. It's just not what I see when someone throws out "rape." That's a loaded word and accusation.

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Originally Posted by Boston Red

I think it does. You have to draw a bright line somewhere on this.

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That's why it's messed up. Yeah it's to some degree an "arbitrary" cutoff, but as mentioned earlier mostly to protect teenagers from being labeled as sex offenders for having sex with another teenager. Grown ass men shouldn't be trying to sleep with the youngest legally possible girl in the first place, don't try to toe right up to the limit and you won't have these problems.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

No it didn't really. Pete chose to sleep with a girl who I'm sure he knew was a minor. I'm sure he wasn't forced into it. But splitting hairs between a 15 and 16 year old being any kind of real difference is silly.

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Pete Rose sleeping with another woman while he's married makes him a bad guy.
Sleeping with a minor makes him a scumbag.
Sleeping with a 15 year old, technically makes him a criminal.

So it's worth noting, sure.

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

And splitting hairs between 14 and 15 is silly. And so is 13 and 14. And 12 and 13. Where do you draw the line? The law decided it was between 15 and 16.

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Obviously you don't have kids. The difference between 12 and 13 to 15 and 16 is massive. Physically, mentally, everything. 15 to 16? Not so much.

If you want to draw an arbitrary line, just make it 18 like most everything else.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

If you want to draw an arbitrary line, just make it 18 like most everything else.

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Aside from making a large percentage of high school senior/college freshman boys felons, this seems fine to me.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

Obviously you don't have kids. The difference between 12 and 13 to 15 and 16 is massive. Physically, mentally, everything. 15 to 16? Not so much.

If you want to draw an arbitrary line, just make it 18 like most everything else.

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I guess my point is, the difference between each individual "next age" is almost meaningless. But you've got to draw the line somewhere. And for whatever the reason, it was drawn at 16 a long time ago. So, yeah, don't go there, adults.

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Originally Posted by Boston Red

Aside from making a large percentage of high school senior/college freshman boys felons, this seems fine to me.

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Well that would be something they'd have to consider before they took the plunge. Might be better off. Plus when I was 17-18, I had no idea what I was doing anyway. I thought I did, but believe me, I didn't. The girls didn't either.

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Hit em with the Hein!

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

I guess my point is, the difference between each individual "next age" is almost meaningless. But you've got to draw the line somewhere. And for whatever the reason, it was drawn at 16 a long time ago. So, yeah, don't go there, adults.

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Don't go there. Not arguing that at all. The word rape though brings a connotation in most people's minds of forcible sex. It's a loaded accusation and shouldn't be used in any other context.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

Don't go there. Not arguing that at all. The word rape though brings a connotation in most people's minds of forcible sex. It's a loaded accusation and shouldn't be used in any other context.

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Except, yanno, statutory rape is also rape. As is having sex with a girl who is too intoxicated to consent. As is literally any other situation where the woman (or man) can't consent for whatever the reason.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

Don't go there. Not arguing that at all. The word rape though brings a connotation in most people's minds of forcible sex. It's a loaded accusation and shouldn't be used in any other context.

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That's what it means in YOUR mind.

It's not loaded at all. The law is very defined about what constitutes rape. That you disagree with that doesn't change a thing.

It's forcible because the girl cannot consent. Even if she says yes, it's the same as if she says no, legally. And that's rape.

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Originally Posted by Homer's Ghost

Except, yanno, statutory rape is also rape. As is having sex with a girl who is too intoxicated to consent. As is literally any other situation where the woman (or man) can't consent for whatever the reason.

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Oh yeah? Ever had sex with a drunk woman? Maybe a girlfriend? You'd call that rape would you? Let's say you break up with her a month later for whatever reason and to get back at you she claims you raped her when she had too much to drink? And bingo! You're suddenly labeled a rapist for the rest of your life. Would you see yourself as a "rapist?"

Yeah. You're a moron.

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

That's what it means in YOUR mind.

It's not loaded at all. The law is very defined about what constitutes rape. That you disagree with that doesn't change a thing.

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"Rape isn't a loaded term" - Dougdirt

Good lord man. Seriously? Wow.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

Oh yeah? Ever had sex with a drunk woman? Maybe a girlfriend? You'd call that rape would you? Let's say you break up with her a month later for whatever reason and to get back at you she claims you raped her when she had too much to drink? And bingo! You're suddenly labeled a rapist for the rest of your life. Would you see yourself as a "rapist?"

Yeah. You're a moron.

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28 years old, had plenty of sex in my life (congrats to myself on the sex, btw) and amazingly somehow no girl has ever accused me of rape.

Amazing.

I see you're the type of dude who work of the assumption that women are a bunch of dirty liars when for every 1,000 rapes, only 310 are reported to the police, 57 lead to arrest, and an entire 7 end in felony convictions.

You're really showing your ass here.

Unprovoked "women lie about rape" references for 1,000, Alex.

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Originally Posted by Boston Red

It's forcible because the girl cannot consent. Even if she says yes, it's the same as if she says no, legally. And that's rape.

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Yeah I'm not arguing the legality of it. But again, that's not what people think of when they hear or see the term "rape" or "rapist." What they think of is some brute forcing himself on some girl. It has a violent connotation when the reality (not the legality) is that in these circumstances it isn't violent. It's a huge difference, and that's why it shouldn't be thrown around as casually as it is.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

"Rape isn't a loaded term" - Dougdirt

Good lord man. Seriously? Wow.

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It seems that 99% of the rest of us know what rape is defined as. You seem to be the only one dumbfounded by it's definition.

Good lord, man. Wow.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

Yeah I'm not arguing the legality of it. But again, that's not what people think of when they hear or see the term "rape" or "rapist." What they think of is some brute forcing himself on some girl. It has a violent connotation when the reality (not the legality) is that in these circumstances it isn't violent. It's a huge difference, and that's why it shouldn't be thrown around as casually as it is.

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Who thinks that? When I think of a rapist what I picture is some frat boy taking advantage of some drunk teenager at a party.

Also, sex with somebody who is NOT consenting is a violent crime, no matter how badly you don't want it to be.

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Originally Posted by Homer's Ghost

28 years old, had plenty of sex in my life (congrats to myself on the sex, btw) and amazingly somehow no girl has ever accused me of rape.

Amazing.

I see you're the type of dude who work of the assumption that women are a bunch of dirty liars when for every 1,000 rapes, only 310 are reported to the police, 57 lead to arrest, and an entire 7 end in felony convictions.

You're really showing your ass here.

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Yeah. You're still a moron. The difference between the kind of moron you are now and 10 minutes ago just jumped exponentially though.

Your post is filled with so much moronary I'm not even gonna respond to it with any seriousness. But hey! Thanks for telling me how much sex you've had stud! You're an impressive fella!

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

Yeah I'm not arguing the legality of it. But again, that's not what people think of when they hear or see the term "rape" or "rapist." What they think of is some brute forcing himself on some girl. It has a violent connotation when the reality (not the legality) is that in these circumstances it isn't violent. It's a huge difference, and that's why it shouldn't be thrown around as casually as it is.

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When I hear the term rapist i think of a person taking advantage of a person sexually through either physical or mental force. A 40 year old attractive female teacher having sex with a consenting 14 year old boy is rape, for example. She is using her position of authority and mental capacity to take advantage of a child. Rape.