Royals interested in Bruce?

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06-13-2016, 10:56 AM
TRF

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by WrongVerb

Amphetamines certainly helped sustain players later in their careers. Also, I wasn't suggesting that players couldn't be productive in their 30s. Just that you're not going to see the type of production from a player in his 30s that they gave in their 20s, and teams often pay them like they will. It's actually a market inefficiency for big market clubs as that's where these players tend to wind up.

What's the average age of a MLB rookie? What's the average age of a player's last season? If your prime years are 27-33, and the average age of a rookie is 24, then basically you are comparing age 24-27 to 34-37.

ish. mostly just guessing there.

I don't mind at all the Reds paying a great player into his 30's. I think Votto, for example, will more than earn his contract.
06-13-2016, 10:58 AM
Johnny5

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by Kc61

This off-season the Reds felt they had to trade some guys to cut payroll. They have been widely panned for trading Frazier and Chapman. But it seems smart that they held back on Bruce and hopefully will convert him to a good prospect in any trade.

To get Jocketty or Williams to admit it was a salary dump would be a neat trick. Hopefully the Reds will be able to get a better haul with the Bruce trade...
06-13-2016, 11:55 AM
Cannon

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

Since 2000, outfielders from ages 30 - 35.

Bruce has the talent and pedigree to fall in with a lot of those guys really. Again, outside of injury you're looking at a guy that can probably OBP at .320+ and hit 25+ bombs for the next 5 or so years. I'm sorry but unless you're getting a premium prospect back there's no real reason to move him. Especially with 14/15 to leverage in contract negotiations.

I mean if you assume a win is worth about $8m to the market (according to Fangraphs right now) you could probably make the argument that Bruce will end up worth about 80m from 30-35. I don't mind a contract around there for him if there's no significant offers for him (but I'm willing to bet he'd sign for less).
06-13-2016, 04:03 PM
Cannon

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

Also...

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/an-an...nd-adam-jones/

A little mention about Bruce in the bottom.
06-13-2016, 04:12 PM
WrongVerb

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

Giants are exploring Braun:

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With Hunter Pence on the disabled list due to a torn hamstring, the Giants are “looking everywhere” for another outfielder, reports Bob Nightengale of USA Today Sports (on Twitter). To that end, they’ve had preliminary discussions with the Brewers about Ryan Braun, according to Nightengale, though he also cautions that there’s nothing imminent between the two teams.
06-13-2016, 05:44 PM
PuffyPig

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by WrongVerb

Giants are exploring Braun:

We think the Giants don't have enough prospect for Bruce. Can't imagine they have the pieces to bring in Braun.
06-13-2016, 05:58 PM
Cooper

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

I would not for one second think about signing Bruce long term. I like him -he's been a good Red. I think he'd give you 2 more good offensive seasons. At that point, you have to move him to 1st base and that's not going to work on this team. After this year -if the defensive numbers are correct and I'm still not sure about that.....i think he's give you 7 WAR for rest of career.
06-13-2016, 06:05 PM
westofyou

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

We think the Giants don't have enough prospect for Bruce. Can't imagine they have the pieces to bring in Braun.

He's owed 72 million more plus a 4 million buyout, maybe they take on some of that too
06-13-2016, 06:06 PM
Ron Madden

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

We think the Giants don't have enough prospect for Bruce. Can't imagine they have the pieces to bring in Braun.

I'd rather have Bruce than Braun.
Bruce is two yrs younger and Braun is still owed about 80MM on his contract.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...g-trade-assets
06-13-2016, 06:26 PM
InsaneinthBrame

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by Cannon

Since 2000, outfielders from ages 30 - 35.

Bruce has the talent and pedigree to fall in with a lot of those guys really. Again, outside of injury you're looking at a guy that can probably OBP at .320+ and hit 25+ bombs for the next 5 or so years. I'm sorry but unless you're getting a premium prospect back there's no real reason to move him. Especially with 14/15 to leverage in contract negotiations.

I mean if you assume a win is worth about $8m to the market (according to Fangraphs right now) you could probably make the argument that Bruce will end up worth about 80m from 30-35. I don't mind a contract around there for him if there's no significant offers for him (but I'm willing to bet he'd sign for less).

Well according to fangraphs Bruce is at -.2 war so that negates your argument that he will worth 80 million from 30-35.
06-13-2016, 09:30 PM
REDREAD

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by Cooper

I would not for one second think about signing Bruce long term. I like him -he's been a good Red. I think he'd give you 2 more good offensive seasons. At that point, you have to move him to 1st base and that's not going to work on this team. After this year -if the defensive numbers are correct and I'm still not sure about that.....i think he's give you 7 WAR for rest of career.

I do not think that Bruce at 1b works for any team.
I really appreciate Bruce trying to play 1b when he was asked, but he simply can not do it. It would take a tremendous amount of work to make him a passable 1b.
And if he is tentative about diving for balls in the OF (as speculated due to his injury) , how is he going to dive on the infield?

The team that gets Bruce can use him as a corner OF or DH.. that is pretty much it, IMO.
06-13-2016, 10:14 PM
Ghosts of 1990

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by Cooper

I would not for one second think about signing Bruce long term. I like him -he's been a good Red. I think he'd give you 2 more good offensive seasons. At that point, you have to move him to 1st base and that's not going to work on this team. After this year -if the defensive numbers are correct and I'm still not sure about that.....i think he's give you 7 WAR for rest of career.

How is he any worse in LF than others we've stuck out there over the past 10-15 seasons!
06-13-2016, 10:58 PM
PuffyPig

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by Ron Madden

I'd rather have Bruce than Braun.
Bruce is two yrs younger and Braun is still owed about 80MM on his contract.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...g-trade-assets

I guess it depends on whether you think Braun is more of a game changer than Bruce.

Braun is likely the better bet going forward to continue hitting.

But you might be right.
06-13-2016, 11:22 PM
Cannon

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

Bruce has to be one of the most underappreciated players this team has ever had.
06-13-2016, 11:27 PM
kaldaniels

Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

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Originally Posted by Cannon

Bruce has to be one of the most underappreciated players this team has ever had.

Can we not go there? The past 2 years he was a below average hitter (out of all batters). (Please don't anyone cue up the XBH counting stat.) That doesn't cut it for a RF, on top of the fact that more people than not question his defense.

Most of us loved his play up until 2014.

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