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I am taken aback at this largesse.Quote:
Originally Posted by cumberlandreds
I remember thinking he was gonna be a star.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski
Plus speed. Thompson is worth a shot if you have the slots for it. Makes me wonder even more about what the Reds will do with their 40 man roster.
RH Bat who doesn't hit lefty pitching. Or any pitching really. Reds are going to really struggle against LHP next year. Newman was one of the better bats and is already gone. Votto and Senzel were two others who are likely gone. Fraley and Benson (and probably EDLC) need platoon mates. CES, Marte, India don't hit against LHP. Assuming around 50 starts by LH opponents and I'd guess 15-35 in those games unless they make an acquisition or keep Senzel and Votto around. Right now they'll be lucky to have a line-up that is 5 deep against LHP and that assumes they use Stephenson as DH against LHP. Friedl McLain, Steer, Stephenson, Maile and that's all they've got right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by cumberlandreds
Please don't pollute the board with well written analysis on something like this. "If there not league minimum, they aren't solutions" will be the mantra this offseason on offense no matter specific holes that need to be filled.Quote:
Originally Posted by mth123
Don't the Reds always acquire Bubba's that flame out at the MLB level?
Who was the other one?
Bubba Nelson from the Reistma trade with Atlanta?Quote:
Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
It's way too early to be making the claim that CES and Marte don't hit LHP. The fact is there aren't many good LHP in the minor leagues so some adjustment time is needed. CES has had 60 PA vs LHP and Marte 35. Marte also hit .313 with a .371 OBP. CES destroyed LHP and RHP equally in AAA these two will be fine. Elly I'm not so sure about.Quote:
Originally Posted by mth123
Bubba Crosby?Quote:
Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
They don't hit big league lefties until they do. So far they haven't. I wouldn't go into the season hoping they do when the line-up is already so short against LHP. CES and Marte should play against LHP, but that's why they need some proven production against LHP in the platoon spots. Right now, there is no one to play when Benson and Fraley sit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JCM11
Bubba and the Bong. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by REDREAD
I'd be willing to make a significant bet with you that CES and Marte combined will have a better OPS vLHP than vRHP in 2024. It's how baseball works.Quote:
Originally Posted by mth123
Maybe we should try and make him a switch hitter and a bunt machine? Extra guy for spring training (if he sticks that long), they should be farming the waiver wire for guys who might have something to prove. I certainly perfer him over Wil Myers we were given to start last year. Mqybe he can sit under the Votto learning tree and pick up something to make the bat work better :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by mth123
You could easily be right. I'd guess at least one of them probably will. That's different from what I'd plan on. Right now, assuming Votto and Senzel are gone, they have five guys with big league success against LHP and one of those is Maile who isn't really an offensive force against anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*
Best case is you'd have CES, McLain, EDLC, Marte in the IF,. Maile catching, Stephenson at DH and an OF of Steer, Friedl and either Fairchild or Nelson. They need at least one more guy who provides middle of the order type production against LHP. If using Stephenson at DH that much is an issue (and I think it is) then they need 2 guys. Nelson doesn't really fill that role. If there is room, he can be a last guy on the bench who pinch runs type, but I wouldn't plan on anything more than that from him.
Make that betQuote:
Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*
Here are the team splits for each season since 2010 ranked by OPS +
Code:1 = vs LHP as LHB
2 = vs LHP as RHB
3 = vs RHP as LHB
4 = vs RHP as RHB
Code:Hand Split BA OBP SLG OPS tOPS+ Year
3 vs RHP as LHB .288 .381 .511 .892 145 2012
3 vs RHP as LHB .302 .378 .532 .909 134 2010
3 vs RHP as LHB .280 .386 .453 .839 134 2013
3 vs RHP as LHB .280 .373 .474 .846 130 2011
1 vs LHP as LHB .271 .347 .499 .846 129 2011
1 vs LHP as LHB .266 .369 .434 .802 128 2015
3 vs RHP as LHB .276 .352 .454 .806 123 2016
1 vs LHP as LHB .250 .350 .456 .805 122 2012
3 vs RHP as LHB .275 .358 .472 .831 118 2017
3 vs RHP as LHB .272 .348 .480 .828 118 2021
1 vs LHP as LHB .271 .361 .478 .839 116 2010
3 vs RHP as LHB .256 .337 .468 .805 115 2023
3 vs RHP as LHB .229 .338 .428 .766 115 2020
2 vs LHP as RHB .254 .324 .401 .725 114 2022
1 vs LHP as LHB .267 .335 .438 .774 113 2016
3 vs RHP as LHB .242 .339 .440 .779 112 2019
2 vs LHP as RHB .264 .337 .440 .777 111 2019
2 vs LHP as RHB .282 .350 .419 .769 110 2011
3 vs RHP as LHB .269 .353 .410 .762 110 2018
2 vs LHP as RHB .270 .321 .440 .761 109 2012
2 vs LHP as RHB .244 .306 .381 .687 108 2014
3 vs RHP as LHB .253 .335 .391 .726 107 2015
1 vs LHP as LHB .256 .331 .457 .788 106 2017
1 vs LHP as LHB .253 .346 .422 .768 106 2023
3 vs RHP as LHB .228 .303 .392 .695 105 2022
2 vs LHP as RHB .259 .326 .418 .744 104 2018
1 vs LHP as LHB .264 .340 .393 .733 102 2018
1 vs LHP as LHB .239 .337 .383 .719 101 2013
4 vs RHP as RHB .240 .290 .376 .666 101 2014
2 vs LHP as RHB .259 .329 .418 .747 100 2023
4 vs RHP as RHB .246 .325 .425 .750 98 2021
1 vs LHP as LHB .215 .318 .344 .663 97 2022
2 vs LHP as RHB .263 .341 .420 .761 97 2010
2 vs LHP as RHB .216 .288 .423 .710 97 2020
3 vs RHP as LHB .236 .305 .340 .645 96 2014
2 vs LHP as RHB .242 .304 .398 .702 95 2013
4 vs RHP as RHB .245 .293 .393 .686 94 2015
2 vs LHP as RHB .239 .315 .413 .728 92 2021
4 vs RHP as RHB .242 .292 .420 .712 92 2019
4 vs RHP as RHB .199 .296 .392 .687 92 2020
4 vs RHP as RHB .232 .293 .354 .647 92 2022
2 vs LHP as RHB .240 .290 .386 .676 91 2015
4 vs RHP as RHB .240 .317 .390 .708 90 2023
2 vs LHP as RHB .243 .312 .402 .714 88 2017
4 vs RHP as RHB .265 .320 .405 .725 88 2010
1 vs LHP as LHB .202 .258 .366 .625 87 2014
4 vs RHP as RHB .249 .295 .383 .678 87 2016
2 vs LHP as RHB .233 .294 .379 .673 86 2016
4 vs RHP as RHB .237 .307 .403 .709 86 2017
4 vs RHP as RHB .229 .293 .385 .678 85 2018
4 vs RHP as RHB .239 .298 .369 .667 82 2011
4 vs RHP as RHB .235 .291 .368 .658 82 2012
4 vs RHP as RHB .229 .280 .337 .617 72 2013
1 vs LHP as LHB .171 .296 .293 .589 68 2020
1 vs LHP as LHB .197 .291 .307 .598 60 2021
1 vs LHP as LHB .204 .296 .264 .560 57 2019
Votto vs LHP was a sight to behold during this era. IIRC, he had inverse splits a few years to the point that managers who brought in LHP to face him received some serious, deserved derision. Every "1" in the chart that sits above the median here is, in my heart, due solely to that beautiful man.Quote:
Originally Posted by westofyou
Billy wasn't available?Quote:
Originally Posted by RED VAN HOT
Looks like more dumpster diving to me too. Hope I’m wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski
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Who remembers Nick Solak? Yeah. This move likely means nothing.
If Texas wins the World Series Bubba Thompson gets a ring, so the Reds will have an active world champion on their roster. It's all about that clubhouse presence! :laugh:
And they did. So idiotic to me that guys that had nothing to do with the outcome get a ring. Those should only be given out to the players who were on the WS roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny Serafini
The Astros gave out over 1,300 rings. They now give out classes of rings.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasRedsFan
I’ve come around to the fact that guys don’t face good LHP that much coming thru the ranks.
So many rookies arrive with platoon concerns because they don’t fare well against LHP. But it seems that the higher pedigree guys learn on the job and shed the platoon label.
There was an old interview with Don Mattingly. I can not remember the exact details, but when he was a minor leaguer, I believe he played winter ball (it was some other league other than normal minor league ball).Quote:
Originally Posted by kaldaniels
He said, by coincidence, that season had a lot of left handed pitchers and it really helped him hone his skills against left handed pitching and sped up his development. So that supports what you are saying, there may be a shortage of quality LH pitching in the minors which leads to kids struggling vs LH pitching when they get to the bigs.
Obviously, this is not presented as proof, just a story that supports your post (Got to put the Redszone Disclaimer in)
This is exactly why the Reds need a couple of guys who have already shown they can hit against LHP. I'm pretty confident that CES and Marte will eventually kill lefty pitching. I don't know if they will in 2024 though. They need more guys who already have shown they can do it. We can't count on it clicking this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaldaniels
It would be interesting - though highly unlikely - if Reds had Senzel and Kyle Farmer as bench RHHs.Quote:
Originally Posted by mth123
They’d cover all positions except CF. Reds don’t seem to want Senzel in CF anymore. Farmer would be emergency third catcher. Both have shown ability against lefty pitching.
Probably too expensive for Reds as backups.
While India is the superior player he isn’t defensively versatile and doesn’t feast on lefties so far. India might be more valuable as a trade piece for pitching.
I think this is exactly what they should do. They could probably have Farmer and Senzel combined for what they paid Wil Myers to put up a -0.8 WAR in 141 PAs last year. If that's too pricey for a team with guys making the minimum making up the bulk of the roster, then its hopeless IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc61
They might have trouble bringing Farmer back. He's likely to have other options.Quote:
Originally Posted by mth123
Reds made Farmer the only catcher on their roster for awhile (I think 2 weeks or so?) He got a concussion was forced to stay in the game since the Reds had no other catchers and then got hit on the head again. Reds also cut Farmer loose and then forced him to sign a split contract early in his career. I think it's reasonable to assume that the Reds are probably Farmer's last choice, unless they dramatically overpay him. Also, I question whether Farmer would ever want to catch again after that concussion. IIRC, he has not caught since.. but obviously, maybe he has and I am not aware of it.. But at bare minimum, his catching playing time went dramatically down.
Now, I know this is a postseason discussion about moves that would be nice to make, I agree, Farmer or someone like him would be a good fit.. I'm just saying, even if the Reds were willing to pay market value, not sure Farmer wants to come back.. Much like Sonny.. it's kind of unlikely he wants to come back after he was traded while on a "hometown discount" contract.
So ummm...it might not be a terrible idea to try and sign Will Smith for the bullpen.
The guy has won 3 straight World Series........
Like I said, it’s highly unlikely. But most players go to the highest bidder. They likely “want to come back” or not, depending on how much the offer is.Quote:
Originally Posted by REDREAD
I'd want Farmer in place of India as the 5th IF who could back-up all the IF spots and he could also DH instead of Fraley or Benson against LHP. I doubt he'd get a better role than that anywhere else. He had 336 PAs for the Twins last year and he turns 34 in 2024. He's not getting more than $4 Million anywhere and probably with less PT than the Role the Reds would have for him would call for. If somebody wants to pay him $5 Million+, then the Reds should pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by REDREAD
I saw Bowden do one of his lists where he says what teams would be a good fit for the top 40 FAs. Nothing overly exciting for us, he put us as options for Eduardo Rodriguez, Wade Miley, and Harrison Bader.
Jim Bowden is the ESPN Proxy of the AthleticQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom Servo
I haven't seen that yet, my hobby is to troll Ole' leatherpants on his inane posts. Last year he said Cody Bellinger was a terrible pick up for the Cubs as a FA - I think he's got a second job advising Putin on how to win wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Servo
Well, Rodriguez or Miley would help quite a bit. Not excited by Bader, but if they non-tender Senzel, they will need an OF to play against LHP. Bader wouldn't be the worst idea. If Bowden thinks they need him as an everyday CF, then its nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Servo
I feel very comfortable in stating that there is a 0% chance that the Reds will sign Eduardo Rodriguez. If they’re going to acquire actual above-average MLB players, it will be via trade. I would be absolutely shocked if the Reds doled out any more than about $30MM on any one contract.
I listened to the Reds tell everyone they aren't going to spend money like that and well... I believed them
They’re certainly going to find what they believe is the contention sweet spot. They’re not going to spend a penny over what they believe is necessary not to be awful. Whether they’ll locate that sweet spot or they’ll just be awful is the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by westofyou
But free agents? Absolutely not.
For those of you on RedsZone who tend to do well at projecting FA contracts and are bored, Fangraphs has begun their contract crowdsourcing for their FA's again...
Every year they ask their readers to project the upcoming contracts of the top 50-100 Free Agents
If you're going to make some presumptions, do it quickly - they compile the results fairly soon after posting...
Infielders: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/contract...allot-1-of-11/
Infielders 2: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/contract...allot-2-of-11/
Outfielders: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/contract...allot-3-of-11/
Outfielders 2: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/contract...allot-4-of-11/
Foreigners: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/contract...allot-5-of-11/
Starting Pitchers: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/contract...allot-6-of-11/
Starting Pitchers 2: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/contract...allot-7-of-11/
Starting Pitchers 3: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/contract...allot-8-of-11/
Relief Pitchers: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/contract...allot-9-of-11/
Ballots 10 and 11 will be posted tomorrow
I agree about Bader. I could see him hitting for Benson or Fraley against lefties, but definitely not an every day player on this team.Quote:
Originally Posted by mth123