Reds Trade And Free Agent Rumours 2023-24 Offseason

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Originally Posted by Kinsm

The Cast years have sucked just as bad. He's owned the team since the winter of '05. Over the past decade they haven't finished better than 3rd in their division.

Don't blame 30 years of ineptitude on Schott and Lindner.

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I’m not. There’s a difference between ineptitude and not trying. Ineptitude implies trying but being bad at it. I agree the Castelinis have been incompetent at times. During the Linder years, I think there was no real effort to win so long as the gate receipts came in. A lot of people seem to want to put that on the castellinis as well. That’s not the case. They’ve gone hard to win at times. Tried one rebuild prior to this one and screwed the pooch on it. There is a difference between trying and failing and not trying. Up until a couple posts ago, all I was hearing was that the Reds really weren’t trying.

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Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank

TMI

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Lol

If the Reds break the curse and legitimately add some beefy dudes (IMO, the offseason before 2012 is the only time I remember believing this team was serious about trying to go for it #ScrewYouRyanMadsen) and build a first place caliber team this off season, I will happily be wrong.

If they sign a few relievers and a washed up former front end starter and a hitter everyone else passed on who is on the decline and happy to be on a big league club to start the year, I will categorize that with the half-hearted years that have been referenced as “going for it” by others. I will keep saying that this is a loser approach to being a Major League Baseball team, even if there is still a chance the kids overcome their own front office’s disinterest and make the season interesting.

Please prove me wrong, Reds. I would love that.

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Originally Posted by Larry Schuler

If the Reds break the curse and legitimately add some beefy dudes (IMO, the offseason before 2012 is the only time I remember believing this team was serious about trying to go for it #ScrewYouRyanMadsen) and build a first place caliber team this off season, I will happily be wrong.

If they sign a few relievers and a washed up former front end starter and a hitter everyone else passed on who is on the decline and happy to be on a big league club to start the year, I will categorize that with the half-hearted years that have been referenced as “going for it” by others. I will keep saying that this is a loser approach to being a Major League Baseball team, even if there is still a chance the kids overcome their own front office’s disinterest and make the season interesting.

Please prove me wrong, Reds. I would love that.

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My thoughts exactly.

I want to give Krall credit for hitting homers on nearly all off his “sell” trades. The organization has as much talent as it’s had in the last 30 years (2009-2012 excepted - perhaps). This was the point in the mid-aughts rebuild that Krivsky was dismissed and Jocketty was brought in because the prevailing thought was the Krivsky was a scout and couldn’t do roster construction. I want to give Krall 100% of the reasonable doubt here. He’s earned the right to build a contender. That probably means trading his hard-earned prospect equity for a Dylan Cease or a Tyler Glasnow. If you believe in your ability to identify talent and churn out cheap production from your system, then trading for a “win-now” piece should be easy.

It sucks… Yonder Alonso and Yasmani Grandal turned out to be useful MLB players. Mat Latos flamed out pretty quickly, and the system stopped producing shortly after the trade. There’s risk here. But if effing exhausting entering every season with the primary thought of “we’re gonna be good in few years.”

Make something happen. Trade the farm for Edward Cabrera or Logan Gilbert or Logan Allen. We can always find new minor league talent. The central is still weak. Milwaukee is in sell mode. The Cubs are gonna throw money around. The Cards are trying to paper over massive holes with FA money. It’s there for the taking. Make it happen.

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Originally Posted by Larry Schuler

I don’t want to be mean here but it’s really sad if the sentiment “4 years ago and then also 10 years ago, we acquired some players that were above ‘warm body’ level” is sincerely delivered by a sports fan to defend their team.

The Reds haven’t won a single playoff series in 28 years.

That sentence doesn’t mean that, 28 years ago, they didn’t win a playoff series.

It means every single year, for 28 years, the Reds have not won a single playoff series.

That includes last year, the year before that, even 2020 and 2010-2013.

It’s not even past tense.

The Reds continue, to this day and beyond, to have not won a playoff series since 1995.

Signing B and C level free agents in 3 off seasons over the last 13 years is not the defense you think it is. Acquiring Alex Wood and Yasiel Puig and Matt Kemp and Mike Moustakas and Trevor Bauer is not a sterling advertisement for front office excellence.

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This is based on defining success as “winning a playoff series.” That is one way to define it, nothing wrong with that definition. But it’s a random definition that doesn’t fit every team’s fans.

No Dodger, Yankee, Red Sox, Braves, Astros fan would define it that way, though, that goal would be too low for them. And that goal would be too high for Brewers, A’s, Rays, Guardians, Royals, Rockies and many other team’s fans.

I would say it would be too high for Reds fans too. My definition for success is quite low, to be honest, it’s being competitive all season long. I think for many, making the playoffs is the definition of success.

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Originally Posted by Old school 1983

I’ll choose to ignore 2010-2013 when this ownership group said they spend and spent and traded to improve the team. Same with 2020. That’s not the evidence my dog is looking for. I choose to live in 1993. Who wants to watch the new Married with Children? I heard Al may have some evidence for my dog sniff up this week.

Signed Larry City Beer

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You’re really good at this, being a satirist. I hope you keep it up. It seems what Larry does isn’t that hard after all.

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Originally Posted by 757690

My definition for success is quite low, to be honest, it’s being competitive all season long. I think for many, making the playoffs is the definition of success.

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I think RZ would agree with your assessment of yourself and them.

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Originally Posted by 757690

This is based on defining success as “winning a playoff series.” That is one way to define it, nothing wrong with that definition. But it’s a random definition that doesn’t fit every team’s fans.

No Dodger, Yankee, Red Sox, Braves, Astros fan would define it that way, though, that goal would be too low for them. And that goal would be too high for Brewers, A’s, Rays, Guardians, Royals, Rockies and many other team’s fans.

I would say it would be too high for Reds fans too. My definition for success is quite low, to be honest, it’s being competitive all season long. I think for many, making the playoffs is the definition of success.

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The Reds are failing at any metric that is not “be better than last place.”

We’re not talking about being ‘average’ or a ‘mediocrity’ that a majority of fan bases all deal with. It’s colossal irrelevance and lack of success. They’ve won 2 (?) playoff games since 1995 and they were all in the same year/series. You are fine to say “I don’t care about the Reds being good” and even cloak it as “the Reds have been successful to me” but beyond that you can’t define this franchise as successful in any meaningful competitive way for three decades.

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Originally Posted by 757690

You’re really good at this, being a satirist. I hope you keep it up. It seems what Larry does isn’t that hard after all.

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Whatever man… we can all talk ourselves in to thinking the half-assed way the organization goes about its business may luck itself in to playoff success.

I’m angry. We are loaded with 4+WAR position players making the league minimum. Squandering that window is malpractice. We aren’t the Rays. We aren’t the Guardians. Sustained success has never been in the cards for us (as long as I’ve been following). This is the time. This is when we can add to the roster and be a monster. If they don’t do that, it’s just another brief competitive window punctuating long stretches of irrelevance.

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Originally Posted by Larry Schuler

The Reds are failing at any metric that is not “be better than last place.”

We’re not talking about being ‘average’ or a ‘mediocrity’ that a majority of fan bases all deal with. It’s colossal irrelevance and lack of success. They’ve won 2 (?) playoff games since 1995 and they were all in the same year/series. You are fine to say “I don’t care about the Reds being good” and even cloak it as “the Reds have been successful to me” but beyond that you can’t define this franchise as successful in any meaningful competitive way for three decades.

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Over the past 30 years this franchise has been overall unsuccessful. That is rather obvious.

However, I think the Reds have been more successful, or more precisely, less unsuccessful, over the last 15 years under this ownership, than they were over the 15 years previous to that period, under the Linder/Allen ownership. Two short streaks of success vs. zero streaks of success.

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Originally Posted by 757690

Over the past 30 years this franchise has been overall unsuccessful. That is rather obvious.

However, I think the Reds have been more successful, or more precisely, less unsuccessful, over the last 15 years under this ownership, than they were over the 15 years previous to that period, under the Linder/Allen ownership. Two short streaks of success vs. zero streaks of success.

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It’s crazy to me that anyone would flex on being “somewhat less incompetent,” than maximum incompetence. Insane.

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Originally Posted by redsfan9988

Whatever man… we can all talk ourselves in to thinking the half-assed way the organization goes about its business may luck itself in to playoff success.

I’m angry. We are loaded with 4+WAR position players making the league minimum. Squandering that window is malpractice. We aren’t the Rays. We aren’t the Guardians. Sustained success has never been in the cards for us (as long as I’ve been following). This is the time. This is when we can add to the roster and be a monster. If they don’t do that, it’s just another brief competitive window punctuating long stretches of irrelevance.

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I agree with you on what the Reds need to do. Our difference is that I am confident that the Reds will add significant pieces to this team. You are convinced they will not.

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Originally Posted by redsfan9988

It’s crazy to me that anyone would flex on being “somewhat less incompetent,” than maximum incompetence. Insane.

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How is that post “a flex?” lol

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Originally Posted by 757690

Over the past 30 years this franchise has been overall unsuccessful. That is rather obvious.

However, I think the Reds have been more successful, or more precisely, less unsuccessful, over the last 15 years under this ownership, than they were over the 15 years previous to that period, under the Linder/Allen ownership. Two short streaks of success vs. zero streaks of success.

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Do you exist in some kind of Saw/Crank shared cinematic universe where you have some kind of device attached to your heart that detonates if you simply agree with another human being with no counter argument?

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Originally Posted by Old school 1983

I think any post saying anything remotely positive about the FO would. It’s easy to state how terrible everything is. It’s easy to say the Reds haven’t won since X date. It’s harder to read the tea leaves on positive things. I’m sticking my neck out here and saying that the Reds will improve the team in a significant way this off-season

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It’s harder to read the positive tea leaves because there really aren’t many.

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Originally Posted by Larry Schuler

Do you exist in some kind of Saw/Crank shared cinematic universe where you have some kind of device attached to your heart that detonates if you simply agree with another human being with no counter argument?

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The “like” button was added to eliminate the need to reply that one likes another post with an actual reply. There is no point in replying only “I agree” when there is a like button. Needless to say, I have liked a vast number of posts here, which means that I agree with them.

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Originally Posted by Larry Schuler

Do you exist in some kind of Saw/Crank shared cinematic universe where you have some kind of device attached to your heart that detonates if you simply agree with another human being with no counter argument?

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757690 being Jason Statham is blowing my mind.