Reds Hot Stove Rumors (Discussion)

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Originally Posted by Plus Plus

If I remember correctly, the Astros' ownership is adamantly against trading within the division. I believe that this was a reason that the Pence trade to the Reds did not happen.

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New owner, new GM, soon to be in a new league. So who knows?

Stubbs for Morse.

Wood for Marshall or Marmol.

Reds finished with the offseason and ready to move on and win the world series. :D

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Originally Posted by Vottomatic

Stubbs for Morse.

Wood for Marshall or Marmol.

Reds finished with the offseason and ready to move on and win the world series. :D

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Wood+ for Marshall (with 2 yr extension)

Stubbs+ for Storen

Sign Beltran (3yrs/$10million)

Reds finished with the offseason and ready to move on and win the world series. :D

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Originally Posted by Dan

Wood+ for Marshall (with 2 yr extension)

Stubbs+ for Storen

Sign Beltran (3yrs/$10million)

Reds finished with the offseason and ready to move on and win the world series. :D

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I prefer this plan

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Originally Posted by HeatherC1212

I don't want to lose Travis Wood for Sean Marshall. Travis had a rough year last year but I still think he can be very effective for the Reds either in the bullpen or as that extra starter a team always needs at some point during the season.

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You can't get a pitcher like Marshall without giving up something of value.

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Originally Posted by IslandRed

New owner, new GM, soon to be in a new league. So who knows?

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And that new GM is Luhnow who was one of if not the main reasons Walt was ousted in St. Louis, they had a major falling out over control of drafting when he was GM and Luhnow was Scouting Director. I don't now how much dealing they are gonna be able to do.

Wood + 2 prospects (hopefully of the Valaika variety) for Marshall + 3 million

Cordero = 2 years/10 million (3 in 2012, 7 in 2013)

Beltran = 2 years/22 million


BP
Cozart
Votto
Beltran
Bruce
Rolen
Mez
Stubbs

Latos
Cueto
Leake
Arroyo
Bailey

Chapman in AAA

Cordero
Marshall
Massett
Bray
Ondrusek
Arredondo

I wonder if Chapman does really well in ST, if Oakland would do a Bailey for Bailey swap, then don't sign Coco, use that money on a Willis type or 2 to backup the rotation in AAA. Just an idea. I still think Beltran would be the biggest improvement to this team. Oswalt would be great, but then you almost have to trade Bailey or move him to the pen. Beltran would only bump Sappelt to AAA or the 5th OF spot.

Hopefully this isn't too tangential:

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The Braves made a run at Orioles outfielder Adam Jones earlier this month, according to Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun. Connolly reports that Atlanta offered Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado, and a pitching prospect for Jones, but the O's "didn't bite," indicating how much they value their center fielder.

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How ya like that? A CFer with power, .750 OPS, and 2 years of team control...For the vaunted Jair Jurrjens AND Prado? NO??!?!?

C'mon Walt, get Stubbs out on the market, see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Vottomatic

I didn't say anything about how long we waited on Volquez. I'm not a Volquez fan anyway and I'm glad he's gone.



If you look at his actual stats, his walk decrease and strikeout rate increase aren't really that noticeable or significant. Especially since he only pitches 100 to 130 innings per year because he's hurt all the tiime.



Yeah, he uses even more analysis and still sucks on his predictions. Maybe he shouldn't waste his time. :D




That negligible difference you spoke of is almost a run allowed per game more by Bailey. Doesn't seem so negligible to me. :thumbup:



Bailey hasn't started 30 games in a season ever. He has been full time with the big league club the last 3 seasons and can't stay healthy. Wandy may get injured this year but his track record shows a guy making 30-32 starts per season. Bailey's shows a guy that can't make more than 20 starts per season.

If I'm going all in now to win this thing, I don't count on Bailey and I make a play for Wandy. And the Reds should raise payroll more than $85M. They just should go for it. Now is the time. I get tired of the bandaid patches and "hoping" they catch lightning in a bottle.

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The only thing I strongly agree with in your post is that a 1 BB:9 decrease per year is undoubtedly significant. Homer is definitely improving his control. His outpitched his ERA significantly over the past two years according to his FIP. I have already given you that Wandy has been a better pitcher than Bailey and is more likely to put up a better ERA than Bailey. I just don't think you are giving his improving control enough credit. We aren't talking about a Homer Bailey who is walking 4+ guys per 9 innings. We are talking about a guy who has average to above average control. Homer hasn't been lucky with injuries. That being said, Homer is an athlete and I think he is as likely as Wandy to put up 30 starts next year. I just think that we have very limited dollars to improve the team and the improvement of Wandy over Homer Bailey isn't as much as you think it is.

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Originally Posted by mdccclxix

Hopefully this isn't too tangential:



How ya like that? A CFer with power, .750 OPS, and 2 years of team control...For the vaunted Jair Jurrjens AND Prado? NO??!?!?

C'mon Walt, get Stubbs out on the market, see what happens.

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oops I hadn't checked in on this thread in a day and was creating a thread on this comparison while you put this up.

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Originally Posted by mdccclxix

Hopefully this isn't too tangential:



How ya like that? A CFer with power, .750 OPS, and 2 years of team control...For the vaunted Jair Jurrjens AND Prado? NO??!?!?

C'mon Walt, get Stubbs out on the market, see what happens.

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So how would you compare Jones and Stubbs? Would ATL offer Jurrjens and Prado and a prospect for Stubbs? How does the money work out in that move?

I am very much against trading Stubbs, but my initial reaction on that deal without a lot of research is that I would pull the trigger in a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by buckeyenut

So how would you compare Jones and Stubbs? Would ATL offer Jurrjens and Prado and a prospect for Stubbs? How does the money work out in that move?

I am very much against trading Stubbs, but my initial reaction on that deal without a lot of research is that I would pull the trigger in a heartbeat.

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Prado and Jurrjens both made about 3 mill last year and are in arb 2 stage in 2012.

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Originally Posted by mdccclxix

Hopefully this isn't too tangential:



How ya like that? A CFer with power, .750 OPS, and 2 years of team control...For the vaunted Jair Jurrjens AND Prado? NO??!?!?

C'mon Walt, get Stubbs out on the market, see what happens.

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I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Jurrjens and Prado for Stubbs? Are you kidding me?

First I'd go to the Nats and make a proposal first, but let them know that there were talks with the Braves and we're going to revisit those talks if you're not interested.

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