Phil Castellini surprised that Opening Day tickets still unsold

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Originally Posted by Sea Ray

Your last line seems like it's a plan. I don't think this is a profit scheme. I think they're incompetent and not skilled enough to build a winner...so they might as well make some money. They decided, rightly so, that even with Miley, Gray, Winker and Cast that the team would be bad so might as well cut some salary. If they were primarily in it for profit they wouldn't have brought in Mike Minor and Pham

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You're absolutely right. They have every right to make money AND absolutely kill a storied baseball organization and tradition. They have a right to lose and make money which they can do from tv revenue without a single fan showing up at a game. I have a right to not root for, or financially support this team anymore.

My point isn't about rights. It's about skills. I don't think they have the skills to build a consistently winning franchise

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Originally Posted by Sea Ray

My point isn't about rights. It's about skills. I don't think they have the skills to build a consistently winning franchise

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Oh, for sure. There's a high level of incompetency in that organization. Trading guys like Gray, Miley, and Winker and replacing them with below average replacements like Pham and others, isn't trying to win. That's not ineptness. That's forsaking winning to lower expenses and increase net revenue AKA fill their pockets.

What day will the Reds be officially eliminated this season?


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Originally Posted by RollyInRaleigh

What day will the Reds be officially eliminated this season?


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Bob already eliminated them before the season started..

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Originally Posted by SidneySlicker

Oh, for sure. There's a high level of incompetency in that organization. Trading guys like Gray, Miley, and Winker and replacing them with below average replacements like Pham and others, isn't trying to win. That's not ineptness. That's forsaking winning to lower expenses and increase net revenue AKA fill their pockets.

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I disagree about the level of incompetency. I think they know how to compete. The past two years saw Williams build a club that was competitive. They had a couple of holes, but for the most part, they were good enough to win more than they lost. With the addition of Greene, Lodolo, Barrero, and some luck and health, this team was on its way to being the NL Central favorites.

But ownership just don't want to spend the money year after year to compete or win.

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Originally Posted by RollyInRaleigh

What day will the Reds be officially eliminated this season?


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Well 10 games in they're 4 out of the division and 10 games out is probably insurmountable? I'll assume things get a little better once they're not playing teams like the Braves and Dodgers most every day. So June 1?

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Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee

I disagree about the level of incompetency. I think they know how to compete. The past two years saw Williams build a club that was competitive. They had a couple of holes, but for the most part, they were good enough to win more than they lost. With the addition of Greene, Lodolo, Barrero, and some luck and health, this team was on its way to being the NL Central favorites.

But ownership just don't want to spend the money year after year to compete or win.

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Signing Moustakas, giving away your closer, trading for injured players is incompetency

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

I don’t know. Players get paid. Stuff like front office clownery probably doesn’t affect them unless it affects their playing time or next contract.

These dudes are extremely wealthy coddled men. I doubt they give much of a damn either way if Phil craps the PR bed. Keep signing those checks.

No need to romanticize multimillionaires.

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Salary envey?
You can't tell me that as much Castellini's words pissed the fans off, his words had no effect on what the players think.

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

The best outcome at this stage—from a fan’s standpoint—would be a 100 loss season. It would hopefully dislodge Krall and maybe result in a reconsideration of a lot of things: Whether to sell, whether to restructure the front office, etc. Losing just 90 probably keeps the entire system in place.

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I am rooting for them to lose 100 games and change this **** show of the last 15 years.

My fandom of the reds since 1975 has never been lower.

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

I am rooting for them to lose 100 games and change this **** show of the last 15 years.

My fandom of the reds since 1975 has never been lower.

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That's a great point.
It's hard to see anything changing, unless there's a 100 loss change to reinforce that management is sabotaging the team.
For example, suppose the Reds get some good breaks and end up going maybe 73-89.. That's probably good enough to keep
1.3 million or so fans coming and still be more profitable to tank.
Honestly, I am not sure if even a 100 loss season changes anything, but at least it would be an embarrassment to ownership.
89-95 losses is probably not embarrassing enough.

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Originally Posted by REDREAD

That's a great point.
It's hard to see anything changing, unless there's a 100 loss change to reinforce that management is sabotaging the team.
For example, suppose the Reds get some good breaks and end up going maybe 73-89.. That's probably good enough to keep
1.3 million or so fans coming and still be more profitable to tank.
Honestly, I am not sure if even a 100 loss season changes anything, but at least it would be an embarrassment to ownership.
89-95 losses is probably not embarrassing enough.

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I have zero hope. They made it pretty evident that they aren't selling, and I believe them. Despite how much they lose, it's a very profitable business for them by the way of TV revenue and revenue sharing. They don't need ticket and merch revenue. They're rich and aloof, they could care less if the go to the playoffs as long as they're stuffing their pockets with cash.

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Originally Posted by SidneySlicker

I have a right to not root for, or financially support this team anymore.

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I'm with you, man...if management doesn't care about winning, why should I? It's a real shame after all the decades I've ardently followed the Reds but I feel like I've cut them loose emotionally this year.

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Originally Posted by Maldez

I'm with you, man...if management doesn't care about winning, why should I? It's a real shame after all the decades I've ardently followed the Reds but I feel like I've cut them loose emotionally this year.

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Not only doesn't care, they've proven inept even when they have tried. See 4 playoffs in 15 years. I have so much other stuff going on in my life then to worry about watching Reds games. I might check a box score or standings every now and then, but I'm not investing my time watching them (which contributes to their ratings) or my money which fills their pockets. I'm just not.

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Originally Posted by SidneySlicker

Not only doesn't care, they've proven inept even when they have tried. See 4 playoffs in 15 years. I have so much other stuff going on in my life then to worry about watching Reds games. I might check a box score or standings every now and then, but I'm not investing my time watching them (which contributes to their ratings) or my money which fills their pockets. I'm just not.

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You quite literally couldn't pay me to watch this vomit. I'd go to the zoo and let chimps throw crap at me before I watch 9 innings of this.