Pete Rose Committed Statutory Rape (according to court docs)

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

are we just gonna ignore we got the story of someone's conception in here

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It's etched into my brain for eternity.

Southern Ohio, bro, southern Ohio.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

A 10 year old isn't going to do that. A 15 or 16 year old will to consent to sex though, and they do it every day. I'm not arguing the decency of it. I'm arguing the difference of what I see as rape, which is non consensual sex.

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Yes, a 15 or 16 year old will consent to sex with a 34 year old adult at times...and that is why it is the responsibility of the 34 year old adult to not have sex with them. And that is why it is a crime, because they are expected to not take advantage of a child.

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Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!

Thinking sex with a 15 year old as a 34 year old is rape is feminism?

Wowzer.

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I apologize for calling you a feminist. I forgot there's a certain mentality that would consider that an insult.

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Originally Posted by Boston Red

On this I agree. But it kinda has to be.

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No it didn't really. Pete chose to sleep with a girl who I'm sure he knew was a minor. I'm sure he wasn't forced into it. But splitting hairs between a 15 and 16 year old being any kind of real difference is silly.

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

are we just gonna ignore we got the story of someone's conception in here

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Dude, I see concepcion talk on this board like all the time.

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Originally Posted by Mutaman

I apologize for calling you a feminist. I forgot there's a certain mentality that would consider that an insult.

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I didn't say it was an insult. I'm just not seeing how it is feminism, I think it's more along the lines of common sense and decency.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

No it didn't really. Pete chose to sleep with a girl who I'm sure he knew was a minor. I'm sure he wasn't forced into it. But splitting hairs between a 15 and 16 year old being any kind of real difference is silly.

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I think it does. You have to draw a bright line somewhere on this.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

No it didn't really. Pete chose to sleep with a girl who I'm sure he knew was a minor. I'm sure he wasn't forced into it. But splitting hairs between a 15 and 16 year old being any kind of real difference is silly.

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And splitting hairs between 14 and 15 is silly. And so is 13 and 14. And 12 and 13. Where do you draw the line? The law decided it was between 15 and 16.

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Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!

Yes, a 15 or 16 year old will consent to sex with a 34 year old adult at times...and that is why it is the responsibility of the 34 year old adult to not have sex with them. And that is why it is a crime, because they are expected to not take advantage of a child.

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Totally agree. Again, it's not what Pete or any other 34 year old should be doing behind closed doors obviously. It's just not what I see when someone throws out "rape." That's a loaded word and accusation.

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Originally Posted by Boston Red

I think it does. You have to draw a bright line somewhere on this.

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That's why it's messed up. Yeah it's to some degree an "arbitrary" cutoff, but as mentioned earlier mostly to protect teenagers from being labeled as sex offenders for having sex with another teenager. Grown ass men shouldn't be trying to sleep with the youngest legally possible girl in the first place, don't try to toe right up to the limit and you won't have these problems.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

No it didn't really. Pete chose to sleep with a girl who I'm sure he knew was a minor. I'm sure he wasn't forced into it. But splitting hairs between a 15 and 16 year old being any kind of real difference is silly.

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Pete Rose sleeping with another woman while he's married makes him a bad guy.
Sleeping with a minor makes him a scumbag.
Sleeping with a 15 year old, technically makes him a criminal.

So it's worth noting, sure.

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

And splitting hairs between 14 and 15 is silly. And so is 13 and 14. And 12 and 13. Where do you draw the line? The law decided it was between 15 and 16.

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Obviously you don't have kids. The difference between 12 and 13 to 15 and 16 is massive. Physically, mentally, everything. 15 to 16? Not so much.

If you want to draw an arbitrary line, just make it 18 like most everything else.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

If you want to draw an arbitrary line, just make it 18 like most everything else.

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Aside from making a large percentage of high school senior/college freshman boys felons, this seems fine to me.

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Originally Posted by Tracy Jones

Obviously you don't have kids. The difference between 12 and 13 to 15 and 16 is massive. Physically, mentally, everything. 15 to 16? Not so much.

If you want to draw an arbitrary line, just make it 18 like most everything else.

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I guess my point is, the difference between each individual "next age" is almost meaningless. But you've got to draw the line somewhere. And for whatever the reason, it was drawn at 16 a long time ago. So, yeah, don't go there, adults.

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Originally Posted by Boston Red

Aside from making a large percentage of high school senior/college freshman boys felons, this seems fine to me.

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Well that would be something they'd have to consider before they took the plunge. Might be better off. Plus when I was 17-18, I had no idea what I was doing anyway. I thought I did, but believe me, I didn't. The girls didn't either.