Kinsm's 2019 Cincinnati Reds Roster Syllabus

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2019 Cincinnati Reds Opening Day 40 Man Roster Payroll
*** Roster is Currently Full as of 3/28/2019***

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(5) 25 Man:
RHSP - Sonny Gray - $ 7,500,000
RHSP - Tanner Roark - $ 10,000,000
RHSP - Anthony DeSclafani - $ 2,125,000
RHSP - Luis Castillo - $ 575,000 (prorated minor league minimum of $ 90,400 if/when on optional assignment)
RHSP - Tyler Mahle - $ 570,000 (prorated minor league minimum of $ 90,400 if/when on optional assignment)

(3) 40 Man - Reserve:
RHSP - Lucas Sims - $ 90,400 (prorated major league minimum of $ 555,000 if/when on active 25 man roster)
RHSP - Keury Mella - $ 90,400 (prorated major league minimum of $ 555,000 if/when on active 25 man roster)
RHSP - Jose Lopez - $ 90,400 (prorated major league minimum of $ 555,000 if/when on active 25 man roster)

---Bullpen---
(8) 25 Man:
LHRP - Zach Duke - $ 2,000,000
RHRP - David Hernandez- $ 2,500,000
RHRP - Jared Hughes - $ 2,125,000
RHRP - Michael Lorenzen - $ 1,950,000
RHRP - Raisel Iglesias - $ 6,000,000
LHRP - Wandy Peralta - $ 570,000 (prorated minor league minimum of $ 90,400 if/when on optional assignment)
LHRP - Amir Garrett - $ 567,500 (prorated minor league minimum of $ 90,400 if/when on optional assignment)
RHRP - Robert Stephenson - $ 565,000 (prorated minor league minimum of $ 90,400 if/when on optional assignment)

(6) 40 Man - Reserve:
RHRP - Matt Bowman - $ 90,400 (prorated major league minimum of $ 562,500 if/when on active 25 man roster)
RHSP - Sal Romano - $ 90,400 (prorated major league minimum of $ 565,000 if/when on active 25 man roster)
LHRP - Cody Reed - $ 90,400 (prorated major league minimum of $ 560,000 if/when on active 25 man roster)
RHRP - Jackson Stephens - $ 90,400 (prorated major league minimum of $ 555,000 if/when on active 25 man roster)
RHRP - Jesus Reyes - $ 90,400 (prorated major league minimum of $ 555,000 if/when on active 25 man roster)
RHRP - Jimmy Herget - $ 45,300 (prorated major league minimum of $ 555,000 if/when on active 25 man roster)

---Catchers---
(3) 25 Man:
C - Tucker Barnhart - $ 2,500,000
C - Curt Casali - $ 950,000
C/3B - Kyle Farmer - $ 557,500 (prorated minor league minimum of $ 90,400 if/when on optional assignment)

(0) 40 Man - Reserve:
C - NONE

---Infielders---
(5) 25 Man:
1B - Joey Votto - $ 25,000,000
2B/SS - Jose Peraza - $ 2,775,000
SS/3B - Jose Igesias - $ 2,500,000
3B - Eugenio Suarez - $ 7,000,000
2B/1B - Derek Dietrich - $ 2,000,000

(1) 40 Man - Reserve:
SS/3B - Blake Trahan - $ 45,300 (prorated major league minimum of $ 555,000 if/when on active 25 man roster)

---Outfielders---
(4) 25 Man:
LF/RF - Jesse Winker - $ 580,000 (prorated minor league minimum of $ 90,400 if/when on optional assignment)
CF/RF - Scott Schebler - $ 625,000 (prorated minor league minimum of $ 90,400 if/when on optional assignment)
RF/LF - Yasiel Puig - $ 9,700,000
LF/RF - Matt Kemp - $ 14,500,000 ($ 21,500,000 Base Salary - $ 7,000,000 Payment from LAD)

(2) 40 Man - Reserve:
LF/RF - Philip Ervin - $ 90,400 (prorated major league minimum of $ 557,500 if/when on active 25 man roster)
CF/RF - Jose Siri - $ 90,400 (prorated major league minimum of $ 555,000 if/when on active 25 man roster)

---Disabled List---
(0) 60 Day-IL:
NONE

(3) 10 Day-IL:
LHSP - Alex Wood - $ 9,650,000
2B - R.J. "Scooter" Gennett - $ 9,775,000
SS/2B - Alex Blandino - $ 557,500 (prorated minor league minimum of $ 90,400 if/when on optional assignment)

---Restricted List---
NONE

---Dead Money---
SP - Bronson Arroyo - $ 1,406,500 (yearly deferred contract through 2021)
OF - Ken Griffey Jr. - $ 3,593,500 (yearly deferred contract through 2024)

Total Payroll: $ 131,712,100
Total Payroll sans Dead Money: $ 126,712,100
(Largest Payroll in Franchise History when not including "Dead Money")

*Last year's opening day payroll was $ 107,146,500


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A Look At Who Still Has Options Remaining

(0) Three Options Remaining - Special Case: (Rule 5 Selections can't be optioned in the first season after being selected)
NONE

(4) Three Options Remaining:
(3.159) RHRP - Michael Lorenzen
(0.000) RHRP - Jimmy Herget
(0.030) SS/3B - Blake Trahan
(1.000) SS/2B - Alex Blandino

(10) Two Options Remaining:
(4.062) RHSP - Anthony DeSclafani (burned 2014 w/ MIA)
(1.018) RHSP - Tyler Mahle (burned 2018 w/ CIN)
(0.000) RHSP - Jose Lopez (burned 2018 w/ CIN)
(0.027) RHRP - Jesus Reyes (burned 2018 w/ CIN)
(2.010) LHRP - Wandy Peralta (burned 2018 w/ CIN)
(1.101) RHSP - Luis Castillo (burned 2017 w/ CIN)
(2.102) RHRP - Matt Bowman (burned 2018 w/ STL)
(4.075) C - Tucker Barnhart (burned 2014 w/ CIN)
(1.080) LF/RF - Jesse Winker (burned 2017 w/ CIN)
(0.000) CF/RF - Jose Siri (burned 2018 w/ CIN)

(11) One Option Remaining:
(0.110) RHSP - Lucas Sims (burned 2018 w/ ATL, and burned 2017 w/ ATL)
(0.065) RHSP - Keury Mella (burned 2018 w/ CIN, and burned 2017 w/ CIN)
(3.154) RHRP - Raisel Iglesias (burned 2015 w/ CIN, and burned 2014 w/ CIN)
(1.081) RHRP - Sal Romano (burned 2017 w/ CIN, and burned 2016 w/ CIN)
(1.000) RHRP - Jackson Stephens (burned 2018 with CIN, and burned 2017 w/ CIN)
(1.067) LHRP - Cody Reed (burned 2018 w/ CIN, and burned 2017 w/ CIN)
(0.129) C/3B - Kyle Farmer (burned 2018 w/ LAD, and burned 2017 w/ LAD)
(2.141) 2B/SS - Jose Peraza (burned 2016 w/ CIN, and burned 2015 w/ LAD-ATL)
(4.061) 3B - Eugenio Suarez (burned 2015 w/ CIN, and burned 2014 w/ DET)
(0.162) LF/RF - Phillip Ervin (burned 2018 w/ CIN, and burned 2017 w/ CIN)
(2.132) CF/RF - Scott Schebler (burned 2016 w/ CIN, and burned 2015 w/ LAD)

(4) Zero Options Remaining:
(1.049) RHRP - Robert Stephenson (burned 2018 w/ CIN, burned 2017 w/ CIN, and burned 2016 w/ CIN)
(1.099) LHRP - Amir Garrett (burned 2017 w/ CIN, burned 2016 w/ CIN, and burned 2015 w/ CIN)
(2.151) C - Curt Casali (burned 2017 w/ TBR, burned 2016 w/ TBR, and burned 2015 w/ TBR)
(4.151) 2B/1B - Derek Dietrich (burned 2015 w/ MIA, burned 2014 w/ MIA, and burned 2013 w/ MIA)

(11) Can't Be Optioned: (Players with 5+ years of service can't be optioned w/o their approval no matter whether or not all of their options were previously burned)
(5.061) RHSP - Sonny Gray
(5.055) RHSP - Tanner Roark
(5.123) LHSP - Alex Wood
(12.054) LHRP - Zach Duke
(9.084) RHRP - David Hernandez
(6.162) RHRP - Jared Hughes
(11.027) 1B - Joey Votto
(5.071) 2B - R.J. "Scooter" Gennett
(6.036) SS/3B - Jose Iglesias
(5.102) RF/LF - Yasiel Puig
(12.049) LF/RF - Matt Kemp


((x.xxx) = MLB Service Time entering 2019 Season))


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How The Reds 40 Man Roster Was Constructed

(14) Reds - June, Rule 4 Draft Selections:
1B - Joey Votto - 2002 - 2nd rd
C - Tucker Barnhart - 2009 - 10th rd (overslot 3rd rd (sup) bonus)
RHRP - Robert Stephenson - 2011 - 1st rd
LHSP - Amir Garrett - 2011 - 22nd rd (overslot 1st rd (sup) bonus)
RHRP - Sal Romano - 2011 - 23rd rd (overslot 2nd rd bonus)
LF/RF - Jesse Winker - 2012 - 1st rd (sup)
RHRP - Jackson Stephens - 2012 - 18th rd
LF/RF - Phillip Ervin - 2013 - 1st rd
RHRP - Michael Lorenzen - 2013 - 1st rd (sup)
RHSP - Tyler Mahle - 2013 - 7th rd
SS/2B - Alex Blandino - 2014 - 1st rd
RHSP - Jose Lopez - 2014 - 6th rd (Additional info: Claimed via waivers March 2019 from SFG)
SS/3B - Blake Trahan - 2015 - 3rd rd
RHRP - Jimmy Herget - 2015 - 6th rd

(3) Reds - International Signings:
LHRP - Wandy Peralta - August 2009 - Dominican Republic
CF/RF - Jose Siri - September 2012 - Dominican Republic
RHRP - Raisel Iglesias - June 2014 - Cuba

(1) Reds - Non Drafted Free Agents:
RHRP - Jesus Reyes - August 2014

(15) Reds - Trade Acquisitions:
3B - Eugenio Suarez - December 2014 - for Alfredo Simon (from DET)
RHSP - Anthony DeSclafani - December 2014 - for Mat Latos (from MIA)
LHRP - Cody Reed - July 2015 - for Johnny Cueto (from KCR)
RHSP - Keury Mella - July 2015 - for Mike Leake (from SFG)
2B/SS - Jose Peraza - December 2015 - for Todd Frazier (from LAD)
CF/RF - Scott Schebler - December 2015 - for Todd Frazier (from LAD)
RHSP - Luis Castillo - January 2017 - for Dan Straily (from MIA)
C - Curt Casali - May 2018 - for Cash $ (from TBR)
RHSP - Lucas Sims - July 2018 - for Adam Duvall (from ATL)
RHSP - Tanner Roark - December 2018 - for Tanner Rainey (from WSH)
LHSP - Alex Wood - December 2018 - for Jeter Downs (from LAD)
C/3B - Kyle Farmer - December 2018 - for Jeter Downs (from LAD)
RF/LF - Yasiel Puig - December 2018 - for Jeter Downs (from LAD)
LF/RF - Matt Kemp - December 2018 - for Jeter Downs (from LAD)
RHSP - Sonny Gray - January 2019 - for Shedric Long (from NYY)

(5) Reds - Free Agent Signings:
RHRP - Jared Hughes - December 2017
RHRP - David Hernandez - January 2018
LHRP - Zach Duke - February 2019
2B/1B - Derek Dietrich - February 2019 (Minor League Signing - purchased March 2019)
SS/3B - Jose Iglesias - February 2019 (Minor League Signing - purchased March 2019)

(2) Reds - Waiver Claims:
2B - R.J. "Scooter Gennett" - March 2017 (from MIL)
RHRP - Matt Bowman - November 2018 (from STL)

(0) Reds - December, Rule 5 Draft Selections:
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Very interesting info. So, Blake Trahan and Jimmy Herget only makes a salary of $45,300 while in the minors.

Nice, thank you. Two questions.

Is "dead money" typically included when comparing team payrolls?

Are there a couple other teams involved with salary relief for Kemp?

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The #Reds have claimed off waivers from the Giants and optioned to Louisville RHP José López. LHP Brandon Finnegan has been designated for assignment.
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Very interesting info. So, Blake Trahan and Jimmy Herget only makes a salary of $45,300 while in the minors.

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Correct, that is the minimum salary for a 1st year contract player while in the minors - it is ultimately prorated per day of service.

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Nice, thank you. Two questions.

Is "dead money" typically included when comparing team payrolls?

Are there a couple other teams involved with salary relief for Kemp?

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No, dead money is typically not included. Noted, the 2015 payroll was higher when including the dead money owed to Ludwick, Hannahan, LeCure, Arroyo, and Griffey.

There have been numerous reports about different clubs previous salary proportions being included, though I have been told differently from someone with the Reds.

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pregame waiver move

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Got it, updated prior to first pitch.

Goes to show for those younger guys, there's an enormous difference in the paycheck if they're on the 25 man or not. It's the difference between getting paid a little over minimum wage to a half mill/yr.

This is very well done.

If I may make a suggestion (or maybe I missed it), add Free Agency dates for the players with over 6 years of service time so we know when we lose them? Also maybe add extensions under additional info for players such as Votto and Barnhart?

Thanks kinsm. I spend a lot of time looking this stuff up for reference. Nice to have it all in one place. Well Done.

Kinsm, Did the Reds count the dead money twice? Meaning when it was originally differed and then again now as it's due.

Interesting stuff. I'm still amazed we managed to get Castillo for Straily and at the time feeling disappointed we let Straily go. Hindsight is a heck of a drug, huh?

It took 1/6th of the season for the Reds to make a 40 man roster move, here are the updates:

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The Reds purchased OF/IF Nick Senzel's contract (0.000 years of service), he was acquired by the Reds in the 1st round of the 2016 draft, he has 3 options remaining. He'll make league minimum while on the 25 man roster, and 45,300$ if/when he's on optional assignment.

The Reds transferred 2B Scooter Gennett to the 60 Day DL, the earliest he can return from the DL is Monday, May 27th.

The Reds then released OF'er Matt Kemp, the Reds will have paid him nearly 15M$ for a month of play (minus whatever someone else may sign him for).

The Reds 40 man roster now stands at 39.


(As far as 25 man moves go, Schebler was optioned - if he's down for 20 days he will burn his final option year. Reed has been recalled, after this season he will no longer be able to be optioned.)

I haven't updated the Reds 40 man roster movements in forever, so here goes (from May 5th through today):


On the 40 man:

2B Scooter Gennett was activated from the 60 Day-DL.

The Reds purchased 2B Josh VanMeter's contract (0.000) years of service, he was acquired by the Reds in a minor league trade of Rule 5 draft selection Luis Torrens from the Padres in December 2016. He has 3 options remaining. He'll make league minimum while on the 25 man roster, and 45,300$ if/when he's on optional assignment.

The Reds claimed RP R.J. Alaniz (0.000) years of service, off waivers from SEA, he was subsequently optioned to AAA. He has 3 options remaining. He'll make 45,300$ while on optional assignment, and league minimum if/when he's recalled.

The Reds purchased C Juan Graterol's contract (1.051) years of service, he was acquired by the Reds off waivers last winter from the Twins, he was subsequently non-tendered and then re-signed to a minor league contract. He has 1 option remaining. He'll make league minimum while on the 25 man roster, and 90,400$ if/when he's on optional assignment.

The Reds signed C Ryan Lavarnway (3.001) years of service, via free agency after being released from his minor league contract with the Yankees. He has 0 options remaining. He'll make league minimum while on the 25 man roster. If he remains with the club all year (doubtful), he'd be arbitration eligible.


Off the 40 man:

SP Alex Wood was moved to the 60 day disabled list.

RP Zach Duke was DFA'd, cleared waivers, and ultimately released.

SP Jose Lopez was outrighted off the 40 man roster.

RP Jesus Reyes was DFA'd and is currently on waivers.


----The Reds 40 man roster now stands at 40.

A quick look ahead (about 4 months to be precise)....and what ramifications that might have on the Reds trade deadline:

40 man personnel

Eligible for Free Agency:
RF Yasiel Puig, SP Tanner Roark, SP Alex Wood, 2B Scooter Gennett, RP David Hernandez, SS Jose Iglesias

Club/Player option for next season:
RP Jared Hughes (Aside from injury I see no reason to believe the Reds would not pick up their club option)

Arbitration Eligible:
SP Anthony DeSclafani (his final year of control), 2B Derek Dietrich (his final year of control), IF Jose Peraza, RP Michael Lorenzen, C Curt Casali, C Ryan Lavarnway (a clear nontender candidate if he's still on the roster then)

Potentially Arbitration Eligible:
RP Matt Bowman (he needs about 2 more weeks on the 25 man roster to qualify), RP Wandy Peralta (he needs about 2 more weeks on the 25 man roster to qualify), OF Scott Schebler (he'd need to be up with the Reds for 4 more days this year to qualify - if not he'll fail to be arb eligible)

Enter 2020 out of Options:
SP Sonny Gray, SP Anthony DeSclafani, SP Lucas Sims, RP Robert Stephenson, 1B Joey Votto, 3B Eugenio Suarez, C Ryan Lavarnway, 2B Derek Dietrich, OF Phil Ervin, RP Amir Garrett, C Tucker Barnhart, C Curt Casali, SP Keury Mella, SP Sal Romano, RP Jackson Stephens, OF Scott Schebler, RP Cody Reed

Non-40 man personnel

*Rule 5 Eligible (a long list - for the most part highschool kids drafted in 2015 or earlier, international players signed in 2015 or earlier, and college kids drafted in 2016 or earlier):
RP Brandon Finnegan, C Chris Okey, SP Scott Moss, RP Ryan Hendrix, RP Andy Cox, RP Joel Kuhnel, C Cassidy Brown, RP Ryan Olson, RP Jesse Stallings, 1B Bruce Yari, RP Pat Riehl, C Tyler Stephenson, SP Antonio Santillan, OF Miles Gordon, RP Sarkis Ohanian, 2B Brantley Bell, SP Alexis Diaz, SP Andrew Jordan, SP Austin Orewiler, 2B Alejo Lopez, RP Connor Bennett, RP Wyatt Strahan, 1B Gavin LaValley, SP Tejay Antone, SP Jose Lopez, OF Brian O'Grady, RP Brian Hunter, RP Zach Correll, SP Eric Stout, RP Brad Markey, RP Jesus Reyes, SP Reiver Sanmartin, RP Aaron Fossas, RP Tyler Jay, SP Jordan Johnson, OF T.J. Friedl, RP Diomar Lopez, RP Dauri Moreta, RP Aneurys Zabala, OF Lorenzo Cedrola, OF Andy Sugilio, C Ernesto Liberatore, OF Reshard Munroe, SP Wennington Romero, C Hendrik Clementina, SP Jhon De Jesus, RP Carlos Machorro, RP Moises Nova, RP Adrian Rodriguez, RP Clate Schmidt, IF Randy Ventura, OF Mariel Bautista, IF Raul Juarez, RP Jeff Nino, C Valentin Martinez, OF Edwin Yon, C Jose Tello, IF Nadir Ljatifi

Six Year Minor League FA's (this is another long list, as it always is):
RP Tristan Archer, RP Justin Grimm, RP Joe Mantiply, RP Alex Powers, C Stuart Turner, UT Rob Refsnyder, IF Christian Colon, OF Nick Longhi, OF Aristides Aquino, C Chadwick Tromp, OF Narciso Crook, IF Sherman Johnson, RP Rob Wooten, IF Alberti Chavez, IF Luis Gonzalez, RP Ty Boyles, RP Johendi Jiminian, RP Juan Martinez, RP Cory Thompson, 1B Ibandel Isabel, IF Bryant Flete, IF Carlton Daal, IF Mitchell Nay, C Nick Ciuffo, SP Wendolyn Bautista, RP Julio Pinto, IF Yonathan Mendoza, OF Michael Beltre, C Pabel Manzanero, C Morgan Lofstrom, IF Carlos Rivero, RP Junior Arias, RP Raul Wallace, SP Felix Jorge (has not pitched this year), RP Jose Adames (has not pitched this year)

*There may be an exception I missed or accidentally included someone who isn't eligible.

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A quick look ahead (about 4 months to be precise)....and what ramifications that might have on the Reds trade deadline:

40 man personnel

Eligible for Free Agency:
RF Yasiel Puig, SP Tanner Roark, SP Alex Wood, 2B Scooter Gennett, RP David Hernandez, SS Jose Iglesias

Club/Player option for next season:
RP Jared Hughes (Aside from injury I see no reason to believe the Reds would not pick up their club option)

Arbitration Eligible:
SP Anthony DeSclafani (his final year of control), 2B Derek Dietrich (his final year of control), IF Jose Peraza, RP Michael Lorenzen, C Curt Casali, C Ryan Lavarnway (a clear nontender candidate if he's still on the roster then)

Potentially Arbitration Eligible:
RP Matt Bowman (he needs about 2 more weeks on the 25 man roster to qualify), RP Wandy Peralta (he needs about 2 more weeks on the 25 man roster to qualify), OF Scott Schebler (he'd need to be up with the Reds for 4 more days this year to qualify - if not he'll fail to be arb eligible)

Enter 2020 out of Options:
SP Sonny Gray, SP Anthony DeSclafani, SP Lucas Sims, RP Robert Stephenson, 1B Joey Votto, 3B Eugenio Suarez, C Ryan Lavarnway, 2B Derek Dietrich, OF Phil Ervin, RP Amir Garrett, C Tucker Barnhart, C Curt Casali, SP Keury Mella, SP Sal Romano, RP Jackson Stephens, OF Scott Schebler, RP Cody Reed

Non-40 man personnel

*Rule 5 Eligible (a long list - for the most part highschool kids drafted in 2015 or earlier, international players signed in 2015 or earlier, and college kids drafted in 2016 or earlier):
RP Brandon Finnegan, C Chris Okey, SP Scott Moss, RP Ryan Hendrix, RP Andy Cox, RP Joel Kuhnel, C Cassidy Brown, RP Ryan Olson, RP Jesse Stallings, 1B Bruce Yari, RP Pat Riehl, C Tyler Stephenson, SP Antonio Santillan, OF Miles Gordon, RP Sarkis Ohanian, 2B Brantley Bell, SP Alexis Diaz, SP Andrew Jordan, SP Austin Orewiler, 2B Alejo Lopez, RP Connor Bennett, RP Wyatt Strahan, 1B Gavin LaValley, SP Tejay Antone, SP Jose Lopez, OF Brian O'Grady, RP Brian Hunter, RP Zach Correll, SP Eric Stout, RP Brad Markey, RP Jesus Reyes, SP Reiver Sanmartin, RP Aaron Fossas, RP Tyler Jay, SP Jordan Johnson, OF T.J. Friedl, RP Diomar Lopez, RP Dauri Moreta, RP Aneurys Zabala, OF Lorenzo Cedrola, OF Andy Sugilio, C Ernesto Liberatore, OF Reshard Munroe, SP Wennington Romero, C Hendrik Clementina, SP Jhon De Jesus, RP Carlos Machorro, RP Moises Nova, RP Adrian Rodriguez, RP Clate Schmidt, IF Randy Ventura, OF Mariel Bautista, IF Raul Juarez, RP Jeff Nino, C Valentin Martinez, OF Edwin Yon, C Jose Tello, IF Nadir Ljatifi

Six Year Minor League FA's (this is another long list, as it always is):
RP Tristan Archer, RP Justin Grimm, RP Joe Mantiply, RP Alex Powers, C Stuart Turner, UT Rob Refsnyder, IF Christian Colon, OF Nick Longhi, OF Aristides Aquino, C Chadwick Tromp, OF Narciso Crook, IF Sherman Johnson, RP Rob Wooten, IF Alberti Chavez, IF Luis Gonzalez, RP Ty Boyles, RP Johendi Jiminian, RP Juan Martinez, RP Cory Thompson, 1B Ibandel Isabel, IF Bryant Flete, IF Carlton Daal, IF Mitchell Nay, C Nick Ciuffo, SP Wendolyn Bautista, RP Julio Pinto, IF Yonathan Mendoza, OF Michael Beltre, C Pabel Manzanero, C Morgan Lofstrom, IF Carlos Rivero, RP Junior Arias, RP Raul Wallace, SP Felix Jorge (has not pitched this year), RP Jose Adames (has not pitched this year)

*There may be an exception I missed or accidentally included someone who isn't eligible.

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man, THAT was a boring thread. why is it "sticky"???

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like reading a corporation's annual report.

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man, THAT was a boring thread. why is it "sticky"???

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like reading a corporation's annual report.

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Probably because unlike your post it has value to the board???