Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Lots of years left to see how "brilliant" these moves are. And anyone can sign a cheater to a long term deal. Most other teams have too much integrity to do so.
This is just wrong. You think the reason people didn't sign Peralta and Cruz is because of integrity? Must be nice to be that naive.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Lots of years left to see how "brilliant" these moves are. And anyone can sign a cheater to a long term deal. Most other teams have too much integrity to do so.
I'm pretty sure almost every team in baseball would have liked to have Peralta at the right price, including the Reds.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Lots of years left to see how "brilliant" these moves are. And anyone can sign a cheater to a long term deal. Most other teams have too much integrity to do so.
I think your view of the situation is naive. Teams sign whatever players they think can help them win, whether they've cheated in the past or not.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Lots of years left to see how "brilliant" these moves are. And anyone can sign a cheater to a long term deal. Most other teams have too much integrity to do so.
Integrity lol
But having 3+ kids with 3+ women scattered across the US is ok to be a greatly heralded player.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
Well Walt was part of the A's and the Cardinals PED teams, so you're probably right.
I actually wouldn't have as much of a problem with signing Cruz to the deal he got, because it reflected his worth after being convicted of PED use. The contract he signed was a form of punishment for breaking the rules. Peralta was not signed at the "right" price. He got what any clean player would have gotten on the open market.
Rewarding cheaters for cheating. Then Cardinal Way.
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More like other teams are skeptical that those guys can repeat when clean. Integrity has very little to do with it.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
Ironman92
Integrity lol
But having 3+ kids with 3+ women scattered across the US is ok to be a greatly heralded player.
Integrity to the game of baseball.
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ac084c
More like other teams are skeptical that those guys can repeat when clean. Integrity has very little to do with it.
There's a lot of truth to that.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Well Walt was part of the A's and the Cardinals PED teams, so you're probably right.
I actually wouldn't have as much of a problem with signing Cruz to the deal he got, because it reflected his worth after being convicted of PED use. The contract he signed was a form of punishment for breaking the rules. Peralta was not signed at the "right" price. He got what any clean player would have gotten on the open market.
Rewarding cheaters for cheating. Then Cardinal Way.
Cruz got what he got because he had a qualifying offer attached. Peralta did not.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
The Reds are bad. That is all.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Lots of years left to see how "brilliant" these moves are. And anyone can sign a cheater to a long term deal. Most other teams have too much integrity to do so.
And this is how one continually ends up on the wrong side of player evaluation discussions.....being dogmatic and unwilling to learn.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Well Walt was part of the A's and the Cardinals PED teams, so you're probably right.
I actually wouldn't have as much of a problem with signing Cruz to the deal he got, because it reflected his worth after being convicted of PED use. The contract he signed was a form of punishment for breaking the rules. Peralta was not signed at the "right" price. He got what any clean player would have gotten on the open market.
Rewarding cheaters for cheating. Then Cardinal Way.
Peralta was paid more than Cruz because he is a shortstop, not because Cruz was "punished". Supply and demand.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
ac084c
Cruz got what he got because he had a qualifying offer attached. Peralta did not.
A little truth to that. But a draft pick isn't worth $45M.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Well Walt was part of the A's and the Cardinals PED teams, so you're probably right.
I actually wouldn't have as much of a problem with signing Cruz to the deal he got, because it reflected his worth after being convicted of PED use. The contract he signed was a form of punishment for breaking the rules. Peralta was not signed at the "right" price. He got what any clean player would have gotten on the open market.
Rewarding cheaters for cheating. Then Baseball Way.
I went ahead and fixed that for you.
Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Beltway
Peralta was paid more than Cruz because he is a shortstop, not because Cruz was "punished". Supply and demand.
Again, not a $45M difference in supply and demand.