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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
jojo
One guy hit the market averaging almost 4 WAR/yr his previous three seasons while playing a premium position. The other hit the market with a QO while averaging roughly 1.3 WAR/yr his previous three seasons while basically being an aging DH.
You're being disingenuous by equating their market values in an "integrity" narrative.
Compare what Choo, Peralta and Cruz got.
It's nearly impossible to say with a straight face that Cruz got anywhere near fair market value.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
$122M better? Gimme a break.
The Rangers are in last place. Do you think it's possible they made some mistakes?
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Are you describing Choo or Cruz with the first example? Because Choo is very similar to Cruz, with a qualifying offer, and he got 7 years $130M.
Choo isn't an aging DH with midteir offensive skills and PEDs issues.
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757690
Compare what Choo, Peralta and Cruz got.
It's nearly impossible to say with a straight face that Cruz got anywhere near fair market value.
Cruz absolutely did.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Okay, so I'm being insincere about being wrong? I guess that means I'm actually right about what you think I'm wrong about :mooner:
That's not logically valid either.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
jojo
Choo isn't an aging DH with midteir offensive skills and PEDs issues.
Choo's a DH who is forced to play the field. Cruz actually is more valuable on defense than Choo these past three seasons.
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Originally Posted by
Beltway
The Rangers are in last place. Do you think it's possible they made some mistakes?
Yeah, they should have kept Cruz and not signed Choo, lol.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
Roy Tucker
Cheery place here today. Everyone is in a great mood.
:duel:
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
Choo's a DH who is forced to play the field. Cruz actually is more valuable on defense than Choo these past three seasons.
Choo is a significantly better offensive player who shouldn't play CF and who could easily be a 5 WAR player next year.
Cruz is a guy who should not be allowed to play the field and who's upside is 2.5 WAR.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
When they win we talk about baseball; when they lose we talk about money.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
In other news, Carlos Contreras has become a real gas can.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
Tom Servo
In other news, Carlos Contreras has become a real gas can.
only way we can the bullpen pyros apart is by their numbers
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Tom Servo
In other news, Carlos Contreras has become a real gas can.
And now he leaves the game with an injury.
Now we know how they will clear a spot for Holmberg.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
The bullpen needs quarantined.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
I would have brought on Schumaker to pitch, and let LeCure have the night off.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
Time to give all the injured rest and bring up the kids. But they won't do it. As Tom said twice tonight, they're only 5 (now 6) games behind in the Wild Card race. As if......
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
Cheering a former player when you are up by a mere 7 runs.
2classy4me
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
Tom Servo
In other news, Carlos Contreras has become a real gas can.
I see nothing in his game that makes me think he'll be anything more than AAAA-emergency call-up for these kinds of desperate times. He doesn't really excel in anything.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
Am I to believe what I just saw on Game Day? Traveling for work and just saw this travesty. Is it as shameful as it looks?
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
Tom Servo
Cheering a former player when you are up by a mere 7 runs.
2classy4me
You don't think we'd cheer a former Red if we were up by 7?
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
BuckeyeRedleg
I see nothing in his game that makes me think he'll be anything more than AAAA-emergency call-up for these kinds of desperate times. He doesn't really excel in anything.
He should be in AA this year. Only reason's he in the bigs is because the Reds have no other options.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
LewGra
You don't think we'd cheer a former Red if we were up by 7?
That is exactly my point. It's easy to be warm and fuzzy when you are winning big, but on the surface it's "Oh those classy Cardinals".
Cardinals playing some real sloppy ball here in the 9th. 7-3 game.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
BuckeyeRedleg
I see nothing in his game that makes me think he'll be anything more than AAAA-emergency call-up for these kinds of desperate times. He doesn't really excel in anything.
Wasn't he the best we had available at one point? The main problem here might be that this organization has nothing in the minors. Seems like somebody was making some bad scouting decisions over a period of a few years.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
Tom Servo
That is exactly my point. It's easy to be warm and fuzzy when you are winning big, but on the surface it's "Oh those classy Cardinals".
Cardinals playing some real sloppy ball here in the 9th. 7-3 game.
Wouldn't it be more an "Oh look at us" if they did it when they were DOWN 7-0?
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
Mutaman
Wasn't he the best we had available at one point? The main problem here might be that this organization has nothing in the minors. Seems like somebody was making some bad scouting decisions over a period of a few years.
Yes and no. We don't have much in the way of major league ready prospects, but over the long term the Reds have a lot of minor league talent. I don't think the front office expected the Reds this season to need to dig deep into the minors.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
Most ridiculous and embarrassing, slightly edging out the Arroyo-Welsh JTM efforts, commercial is the WeAre FSO efforts.
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Todd Frazier is the tying run at the plate :rockband:
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
Frazier! :jump:
...is what I would be posting if we lived in dream world. He just grounded out. Game over. Reds lose.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
Too good to be true. 6 straight losses.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
WVRedsFan
Most ridiculous and embarrassing, slightly edging out the Arroyo-Welsh JTM efforts, commercial is the WeAre FSO efforts.
I don't know...the Red Roof Inn "multi-tasking" commercial and FarmersOnly.com might beat both of them out.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
just enough in the 9th suck us fools in -- talk you tomorrow
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
Big Klu
I don't know...the Red Roof Inn "multi-tasking" commercial and FarmersOnly.com might beat both of them out.
at least they're not Reds specific.
Joey just doesn't have that convincing voice.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
I've taken dumps that I'm more proud of than I am of this team. And this season is similarly and deservedly flushed down the drain.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
Good night all. You'll be happy to hear, I'll be in the great state of Tennessee for the next three titanic struggles. Carry on and get some wins.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
Game threads down to 8 pages now.
You all are some brave souls.
I was actually busy tonight or else I would've jumped in these trenches with you.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
It's small, but that they could have just completely rolled on over, and got out of there, but they fought to delay the inevitable. If they weren't still playing for Price/each other, they likely would have.
The Cards relief/defense helped some too.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
WVRedsFan
Good night all. You'll be happy to hear, I'll be in the great state of Tennessee for the next three titanic struggles. Carry on and get some wins.
Travel safe.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
Tom Servo
Yes and no. We don't have much in the way of major league ready prospects, but over the long term the Reds have a lot of minor league talent. I don't think the front office expected the Reds this season to need to dig deep into the minors.
"Dig deep"? Name one minor leaguer that has contributed this year. Diaz? Negron? A little bit. Nothing else. No first baseman they could call up. Nobody to help the beleaguered bullpen. Somebody really screwed the pooch in terms of signing talent over a period of time.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
PepperJack
It's small, but that they could have just completely rolled on over, and got out of there, but they fought to delay the inevitable. If they weren't still playing for Price/each other, they likely would have.
The Cards relief/defense helped some too.
The Reds did seem flat and uninspired after the All-Star break, but the last few weeks, heart has not been their problem.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
Mutaman
"Dig deep"? Name one minor leaguer that has contributed this year. Diaz? Negron? A little bit. Nothing else. No first baseman they could call up. Nobody to help the beleaguered bullpen. Somebody really screwed the pooch in terms of signing talent over a period of time.
Our best hitting prospect just reached AA this season, and one of our top prospects heading into this year is our everyday center fielder. Blandino should hopefully be a fast riser, Ervin seemed to be before his High-A struggles. A lot of our best pitchers are at the AA level and shouldn't be thrown to the wolves yet: Stephenson, Lively, Lorenzen, Moscot.
There's a lot of talent, it's just not major league ready.
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Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals
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Originally Posted by
757690
The Reds did seem flat and uninspired after the All-Star break, but the last few weeks, heart has not been their problem.
If heart has not been their problem over the last few weeks ( 2 wins 10 losses),
we are really in trouble talent wise.