Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
IIRC, Dunn got called out last year for leaving 3rd too early on a sac fly against the Cards. Replays showed he was not even close to leaving early. Generally mssing the base or leaving early is not called unless it is completely clear.
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
Cantu comes through. 3-2 Reds
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
MrCinatit
I could be off base, but maybe looking at it this way will help:
Say the Reds have a man on first and third, two outs.
The man on third tries to steal home - and he gets a huge jump. But, the batter hits the ball to short. The shortstop throws to second for the force out - but the man on third is practically in the dugout. That does not matter, though - the force out has ended the inning. It does not matter how far ahead of the last out that runner scored - that force out ended the inning, taking away any chance at all of that run counting.
A totally different play from what we saw - but the play we saw used the same very basic rules. The force out of Dunn at third cleared away any chance of Griffey's run counting. Unfortunately, a good call by the ump.
Yes you are exactly correct. With you cannot score when a force out ends the inning. It does not matter if the runner crosses home before the force.
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
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Razor Shines
Yes you are exactly correct. With you cannot score when a force out ends the inning. It does not matter if the runner crosses home before the force.
Wrong. A force happens when the ball arrives at the base, not when the runner misses the bag. HE NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT BY THE DEFENSE, which happened at the moment of appeal.
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
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Wheelhouse
Wrong. A force happens when the ball arrives at the base, not when the runner misses the bag. HE NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT BY THE DEFENSE, which happened at the moment of appeal.
Yes and an appeal out is a force out. We agree that the out was made at the time of the appeal. It was a force out, it doesn't matter when Jr. crossed home plate.
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Razor Shines
Yes and an appeal out is a force out. We agree that the out was made at the time of the appeal. It was a force out, it doesn't matter when Jr. crossed home plate.
This is why you can have a quadruple play. But that's just confusing things.
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Razor Shines
Yes and an appeal out is a force out. We agree that the out was made at the time of the appeal. It was a force out, it doesn't matter when Jr. crossed home plate.
I have no idea, but does anyone know whether or not Mac is playing this one on protest?
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WVRedsFan
I have no idea, but does anyone know whether or not Mac is playing this one on protest?
I don't know for sure.
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
It has been my understanding that a third out being a force prevents a run scoring only if the out is on the batter heading to first base. Otherwise, it is a timing play, and in this instance, the timing would dictate Griffey scored.
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Wheelhouse
It has been my understanding that a third out being a force prevents a run scoring only if the out is on the batter heading to first base. Otherwise, it is a timing play, and in this instance, the timing would dictate Griffey scored.
You misunderstand
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
Majewski, Bray, Burton, Stormy.
That's your tandem, get used to it.
:)
Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Wheelhouse
It has been my understanding that a third out being a force prevents a run scoring only if the out is on the batter heading to first base. Otherwise, it is a timing play, and in this instance, the timing would dictate Griffey scored.
A force anywhere prevents a run from scoring.