Re: Reds vs Giants 8/30/08
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Originally Posted by
Falls City Beer
Whatever. Give it to Rosales. But understand that in doing so you're making the defense worse. And the offense little better.
Again, if you're so worried about defense, keeping Patterson in there isn't going to free your mind of worries. Patterson was in CF last Sunday when the Reds had 5 errors in a game. Just keeping him in CF isn't some magic bullet that's going to make the defense better. Three-fourths of the IF isn't that great and Bako isn't good either. Hanigan's a rookie. If you're so worried about saving the young pitchers, either put them on the shelf or put them on a strict pitch count.
Re: Reds vs Giants 8/30/08
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Originally Posted by
Chip R
Lincoln was the pitcher of record when the Reds went ahead. The only time an official scorer has discretion is if the starter doesn't go 5 and the team doesn't give up the lead.
That's not entirely correct.
They can also take away a win from the pitcher of record when they determine he has pitched for a short period and not effectively. For example, if a reliever comes into the game with 2 outs in the 8th, and gives up 4 runs and then retires the last batter, the official scorer will likely not give him the win if he team then goes ahead.
Lincoln gave up 1 run over 1 inning which isn't close to bad enough to deprive him of the win.
And the official score could only give the win to a pitcher after Lincoln. Ramirez' ship had already sailed.
Re: Reds vs Giants 8/30/08
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Originally Posted by
Chip R
If you're so worried about saving the young pitchers, either put them on the shelf or put them on a strict pitch count.
Pitch counts aren't the issue. Long innings are.
Re: Reds vs Giants 8/30/08
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Originally Posted by
Falls City Beer
Pitch counts aren't the issue. Long innings are.
Long innings lead to high pitch counts do they not?
Re: Reds vs Giants 8/30/08
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Originally Posted by
PuffyPig
That's not entirely correct.
They can also take away a win from the pitcher of record when they determine he has pitched for a short period and not effectively. For example, if a reliever comes into the game with 2 outs in the 8th, and gives up 4 runs and then retires the last batter, the official scorer will likely not give him the win if he team then goes ahead.
Lincoln gave up 1 run over 1 inning which isn't close to bad enough to deprive him of the win.
And the official score could only give the win to a pitcher after Lincoln. Ramirez' ship had already sailed.
And like any reliever who blows a save, to a man, they would rather the starter who was effective be given their win. Same thing with inherited runners. Yes, their the previous pitcher's responsibility, but he didn't let them in. Well, we know how that goes.
Blown saves are part of the game, so is that undeserved W - but it's a W nonetheless; and we'll take it and let the bum (for this night) have it.
Re: Reds vs Giants 8/30/08
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Originally Posted by
Chip R
Again, if you're so worried about defense, keeping Patterson in there isn't going to free your mind of worries. Patterson was in CF last Sunday when the Reds had 5 errors in a game.
That makes little sense.
You're suggesting that keeping Patterson in for defense doesn't matter when in one game, other Reds commited 5 errors.
That's like saying that the Reds may as well bench thier best hitter when the team is slumping offensively, as one hitter won't mkae much difference.
Patterson helps the defense. That may be all he does, but it's better than nothing.
Re: Reds vs Giants 8/30/08
How about CP's big game?
Man, we'll never get him out the lineup now!
